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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
353
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Posted - 2014.01.17 19:43:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
5th Rule Of Eve = The only safe place is in station.
This isn't true at all! This one time, I met a cute Caldari guy at Jita 4-4 when I was buying a new Microwarpdrive for my Polaris frigate, and let me tell ya, station services get really buttmad when they have to clean peanut butter and whipped cream from the walls of your captain's quarters! Not safe at all, nu-huh!
It's true, the repressed Caldari society makes them extra kinky. |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
225
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:28:00 -
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Never trust a corp with a skull in its logo. |
dilly nay
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:11:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:dilly nay wrote:Undocking is not a consent to Pvp. I am not giving anybody permission or approval to attack my ship simply because they've the choice to do so. That is an incredibly perverse way to view a choice and for reasons I dare not speculate.
Technically you're right, you give your consent when you login and choose a character. Eve is a PvP game, regardless of what you think, as such when you play you are consenting to PvP. Just as you consent to PvP when you play DayZ or Battlefield with other players.
Again, you confuse consent with something entirely different. If you require an analogy think of it like this. Assuming you knew you could get away with murder or it was "allowed", remaining inside this uncivil scenario, if you were to walk into a gun store and purchase a gun this does not give you the consent to shoot the man. Regardless of whether or not your reasoning was "he sold me the gun" or "he knew the risks of my purchase".
I'll repeat myself when I say this is a perverse view of an opportunity you may take.
Of course this is just a video game and of course people will derive their own fun. I am perfectly aware of the risk Eve presents but your use of consent here is that of a sociopath. Neither is it a clever thought. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2336
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:21:00 -
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dilly nay wrote: I am perfectly aware of the risk Eve presents but your use of consent here is that of a sociopath.
Oh, look. Another shrink that got his degree from a box of Cracker Jack. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
dilly nay
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:31:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:dilly nay wrote: I am perfectly aware of the risk Eve presents but your use of consent here is that of a sociopath. Oh, look. Another shrink that got his degree from a box of Cracker Jack.
What a wonderful way to show your concern. Are you suggesting Im wrong? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2337
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:42:00 -
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dilly nay wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:dilly nay wrote: I am perfectly aware of the risk Eve presents but your use of consent here is that of a sociopath. Oh, look. Another shrink that got his degree from a box of Cracker Jack. What a wonderful way to show your concern. Are you suggesting Im wrong?
If by 'wrong,' you mean 'talking out of your ass,' then yes. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
dilly nay
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:51:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:dilly nay wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:dilly nay wrote: I am perfectly aware of the risk Eve presents but your use of consent here is that of a sociopath. Oh, look. Another shrink that got his degree from a box of Cracker Jack. What a wonderful way to show your concern. Are you suggesting Im wrong? If by 'wrong,' you mean 'talking out of your ass,' then yes.
I gave verifiable evidence to my claim. First by correcting the misuse of the word. Then by analogy.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consent?s=t
It requires the participating of two in order to enter a consent. You don't need to be a shrink or have a "Cracker Jack" Phd to distinguish a person who says they may act alone and decide on behalf of another from that of a healthy mind. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2133
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:56:00 -
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dilly nay wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:dilly nay wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:dilly nay wrote: I am perfectly aware of the risk Eve presents but your use of consent here is that of a sociopath. Oh, look. Another shrink that got his degree from a box of Cracker Jack. What a wonderful way to show your concern. Are you suggesting Im wrong? If by 'wrong,' you mean 'talking out of your ass,' then yes. I gave verifiable evidence to my claim. First by correcting the misuse of the word. Then by analogy. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consent?s=tIt requires the participating of two in order to enter a consent. You don't need to be a shrink or have a "Cracker Jack" Phd to distinguish a person who says they may act alone and decide on behalf of another from that of a healthy mind.
Yeah, Domanique, it doesn't *have* to be a Cracker Jack box.
Entirely possible he got his psych degree from one of those claw machines. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
dilly nay
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:01:00 -
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Actually I've a degree as a Custodian. As you may see I've a steady demand for work. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2133
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:03:00 -
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dilly nay wrote:Actually I've a degree as a Custodian. As you may see I've a steady demand for work.
That's like a janitor, right? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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dilly nay
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:06:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:dilly nay wrote:Actually I've a degree as a Custodian. As you may see I've a steady demand for work. That's like a janitor, right?
It's Latin for "shrink". |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2133
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:09:00 -
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dilly nay wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:dilly nay wrote:Actually I've a degree as a Custodian. As you may see I've a steady demand for work. That's like a janitor, right? It's Latin for "shrink".
Ah, see, I thought you meant the custodial arts.
I hadn't heard such a fanciful thing since the PHD in Dueling. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2337
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:11:00 -
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dilly nay wrote: Please refrain from doing so friend.
Please refrain from failing at reading comprehension. Your literal definition of consent, as it pertains to your skewed view of EVE, was never at question. I merely questioned your qualifications to be defining anyone's behavior as that of a sociopath.
Since we now know that you are a custodian, I am left to assume that when you dabble in psychoanalysis, you diagnose your patients' maladies from a dictionary as well, as opposed to a recognized statistical manual.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2337
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:13:00 -
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dilly nay wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:dilly nay wrote:Actually I've a degree as a Custodian. As you may see I've a steady demand for work. That's like a janitor, right? It's Latin for "shrink".
No, it's really not. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
dilly nay
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:22:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote: Please refrain from failing at reading comprehension. Your literal definition of consent, as it pertains to your skewed view of EVE, was never at question. I merely questioned your qualifications to be defining anyone's behavior as that of a sociopath.
Ok, you do think I am wrong. Why not just say so to begin?
According to you correcting the literal interpretation of one word(consent) does not qualify me to literally define someones actions based on another word(sociopath). Ok so you've conceded consent was misused but that it's misuse, if taken literally, does not define the behavior of a sociopath. And your reasoning for this is due to my lack of education as a trained professional.
Are you further suggesting that labeling someone as a masochist, psychopath, sadomasochist, ect, much like sociopath cannot be determined by anybody without proper background to help these people? Which is what a professional does... they dont just diagnose- they help. That's the difference and I never made any such claim. You however fail to make the distinction.
Please, friend. |
Acushla De'Hart
Free Lunch
0
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:37:00 -
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personal opinion only
Rule #1 do not fly what you can't replace at least twice Rule # 2 do not fly uninsured Rule # 3 do not fly in a valuable ship to pick up the weapons and tank for that ship Rule #4 Avoid hauling into-through low-sec Rule #5 If you must break rule 4 bring friends (preferably well armed friends) Rule #6 NEVER use autopilot Rule #7 when hauling high value items regardless of ship type or location do not linger any longer than necessary in vicinity of gate. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19774
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Posted - 2014.01.18 05:01:00 -
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OK, thanks to all those who posted new rules, definitely will look them over and add them to the list, maybe with some slight changes. I'd also like to thank those who posted suggestions and or amendments to the existing rules.
Just a reminder, these rules should not be real specific. They should be more generalized and generic so that a larger portion of the player base can relate to them. Also having a bit of humor mixed in with some truth is always a good thing, such as Rule 10.
Usually the very first thing most players hear in reference to Eve is don't trust anyone, even if you're sleeping with them.
Rule 1 is perfect as it is, especially for Eve. Naturally Rule 2 and 3 go right along with it.
Rule 4, I see a lot of people suggesting 'Don't fly what you can't afford to replace....or lose, etc'. Well, using the term 'afford' brings to mind ISK. Players don't actually need ISK to replace something, especially with duplicate items in assets. As such, I don't really see a reason to amend the 4th Rule Of Eve.
Rule 5 is still basically true when kept generalized ..... now if a cute Caldari guy at Jita 4-4 does the Falcon in my Captains Quarters with Peanut Butter and Whipped Cream, then Rule 5 definitely needs to be amended.
Rule 6, after thinking about it I do agree it isn't accurate and definitely needs to be re-worded. As such until a better descriptive phrase is suggested this is now Rule 6 :
Quote:6th Rule Of Eve = Undock from station can incite PvP aggression. Rule 7 is still an excellent referral for Rule 4, 5 and 6.
Rule 8 needs to be amended as well. There's a lot of different ways to accomplish the same goal in this game, with each one being as good as the next. Keeping that in mind however, there is indeed wrong ways to play this game. So to make Rule 8 a more generalized statement :
Quote:8th Rule Of Eve = There is no right way to play. Rule 9, while being a fact it's also a rule, especially when pertaining to espionage. Also let's not forget this game is an MMO.
Rule 10 is just a little bit of humor with some truth mixed in. Gotta admit it fits well with Rule 8 and 9. I did amend it slightly to make it more generic :
Quote:10th Rule Of Eve = To play Eve, refer to Rule 8 and 9.
Now to address a few concerns about Rule 11, 12 and 13. These are just an example, posted with a little tongue in cheek. Granted Rule 12 is a bad joke but generally speaking most players would say the forums are filled with alts. Now if everyone want's these to be included on the list as well, it's fine by me.
Anyway, Rule 11, 12 and 13 were posted as an example to illustrate how new rules should be formatted : Each set of stated rules within a group has the last rule referring back to the previous rules.
Lastly I'd like to remind everyone to please stay on topic. Definitely don't need any 'Report Cards' filled out.
DMC
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2340
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Posted - 2014.01.18 06:17:00 -
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dilly nay wrote:
Please, friend.
I'm not your friend, and nothing about you pleases me. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19782
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Posted - 2014.01.18 09:54:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:dilly nay wrote:
Please, friend.
I'm not your friend, and nothing about you pleases me. Please stay on topic. No need to incite a flame war.
DMC
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Luhley Skarr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.18 11:04:00 -
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1st Rule of EVE: Never trust anyone.
So, how can I trust any of you with these rules if I am not to trust anyone ???????? Ever ?????
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Luhley Skarr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.18 11:08:00 -
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Luhley Skarr wrote:1st Rule of EVE: Never trust anyone. So, how can I trust any of you with these rules if I am not to trust anyone ???????? Ever ?????
Ok, I've thought about it. If I follow Rule 1, I should not trust any of these rules so I should not trust Rule #1.
Thus, I should trust everyone.... always. So I should apply rule #1 and not trust anyone ever ... and not follow Rule #1
This game is too complex, I quit. And no, you cannot have my stuff, I don't trust you... or do I? |
Falken Falcon
Dark Sun Brotherhood
8845
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Posted - 2014.01.18 11:23:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:Rule #16 When entering Jita, minimize local and forget about it.
Ignoring jita chat? You can get the best laughs from there and if not that you can also play the "who finds a legit trade first" game with your copr mates. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15576
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Posted - 2014.01.18 12:23:00 -
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dilly nay wrote:Again, you confuse consent with something entirely different. If you require an analogy think of it like this. Assuming you knew you could get away with murder or it was "allowed", remaining inside this uncivil scenario, if you were to walk into a gun store and purchase a gun this does not give you the consent to shoot the man. Regardless of whether or not your reasoning was "he sold me the gun" or "he knew the risks of my purchase".
I'll repeat myself when I say this is a perverse view of an opportunity you may take.
Of course this is just a video game and of course people will derive their own fun. I am perfectly aware of the risk Eve presents but your use of consent here is that of a sociopath. Neither is it a clever thought. OK I'll change it ever so slightly, implied consent is probably a better term if you want to go all dictionary definition on us.
implied consent n. consent when surrounding circumstances exist which would lead a reasonable person to believe that this consent had been given, although no direct, express or explicit words of agreement had been uttered.
You're playing a PvP game, as such it is reasonable for us to believe that you have consented to PvP, despite the lack of direct, express or implicit agreement from yourself. |
Renegade Heart
Come at me bro 123
85
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Posted - 2014.01.18 13:08:00 -
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It's almost silly for me to say this, but a lot of people seem to forget this one.
My most important rule: Have fun! |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
717
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Posted - 2014.01.18 15:03:00 -
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Luhley Skarr wrote:1st Rule of EVE: Never trust anyone. So, how can I trust any of you with these rules if I am not to trust anyone ???????? Ever ?????
There will be times when you need to trust someone but you can apply the other rule, so you trust people only with that which you can afford to have stolen from you. |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1190
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Posted - 2014.01.18 15:16:00 -
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Rule #69 all females are males (except for 0.05%). Rule #70 never pick up ISK off the floor of the blue oyster Rule #71 pod jumping is expensive but worth it of you failed to read rules #69 & #70 GûÇGûêGûÇ GûêGûÇGûê GûÇGûêGûÇ-á-á-á-á-á GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûêGûÇGûê GûêGûæGûê GûæGûêGûæ GûêGûÇGûä GûæGûêGûæ-á-á-á-á-á GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûä GûêGûæGûêGûæGûê GûÇGûêGûÇ GûæGûÇGûæ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûÇGûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇGûæGûÇ GûæGûÇGûæ |
Shaera Taam
Killalts Anonymous
84
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Posted - 2014.01.18 15:38:00 -
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For what theyre worth, Shaera Taams rules to live by...
Rule#1: The Griefers Rule : EVE is only a game. Rule#2: Your ship is not your character. Rule#3: Never fly what you cant afford to lose. Rule#4: Always have a backup ship. Rule#5: Learn something new every day. Rule#6: Always have an up-to-date clone. Rule#7: Bookmark the wormhole once you get inside, dammit! Rule#8: Its better to be corrected than wrong. Rule#9: Keep your training queue full. Rule#10: Fly frosty! Revenge only kills you and your friends. Again. Rule#11: The PvP Rule: Never engage the enemy on their terms. Make them come to you. Rule#12: The Other PvP Rule: If it looks like a trap, then its a f'kin trap! Rule#13: Don't Smack Talk in Local: Even bona fide pirates think it's rude. The Last Rule : Dying makes no difference. Its what you do before you die that makes a difference.
Good luck with your list, DMC!
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:09:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Rule 34: War is good for business
Rule 35: Peace is good for business Wrong.
Rule 34 is that there is p**n about eve. Case in point: CCP Falcons post. "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |
LuisWu
P0rn star's Retirement Club
48
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:13:00 -
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Rules of eve
Quote:OTEC and the B0TLRD Accords
Objectives: The objectives of OTEC and the B0TLRD Accords are to to continue along the road paved two years ago under the initial OTEC agreement by securing the territories and income generating abilitys of both CFC and PL.
OTEC No "sov fuckery" or organized renter harassment in designated home regions. Further defined to include the following actions: *shooting (or repping) of infrastructure towers, money towers, stations, SBUs, TCUs, IHUBs, POCOs *siphoning of moons or using future idiotic CCP modules like the new ESS *harassment of renters (individual fuckery will be cracked down on through best efforts) *assisting non-signatories in doing any of the above
B0TLORD Accords Neither PL nor CFC are restricted by this agreement with regard to their bluelists, and this agreement does not necessitate a "blue" relationship between the two entities. The goal of the B0TLRD accords is to maintain space and income levels amidst a myriad of proxy-wars and territorial disputes.
Both CFC and PL agree to prohibit the following actions in one anothers designated "home space" *attacking signatory supercapitals, supercapital fleets, and capital fleets *bringing any caps greater than five triage carriers and a bridging Titan *bringing a strategic-level subcapital force (more than 250 subcaps)
The following restrictions apply to so-called Buffer Regions:
CFC agree not to assist any non-signatory in the conquest or capture of Buffer Regions. Attending fights with non-strategic level fleets (no caps/supers beyond five triage and a bridge titan, no more than 250 subcaps) is perfectly acceptable. There are no such restrictions should the CFC decide to invade the buffer regions to take them for the CFC. The buffer regions are to be controlled by PL-allies or the CFC should they decide to invade. Allowing non-signatories to base out of signatory sov in the buffer zone constitutes a violation (Black Legion cannot stage in CFC sov in a buffer zone, nor can NCdot stage out of PL sov in a buffer zone).
In buffer zones, CFC will not contest future PL sov attempts should they desire to expand their empire. These are designated 'expansion zones' and should PL/BOT seize them, they will be considered home regions for the purposes of this treaty.
Regarding attacks on non-signatories within designated home regions:
Each side may initiate an unrestricted attack in home regions against assets, structures, and fleets of non-signatories. If a signatory responds by aiding the non-signatory, both sides may escalate to caps and supers as desired, but will still not violate any of the sov/structure aspects of the above provisions.
If a signatory is currently using non-signatories in a combined action against a third party while on home territory, it is not permissible to intervene. For example, if a combined PL and NCdot fleet is being used to defend Malpais, it is not permissible for the CFC to attack the NCdot segment of the combined PL/NCdot fleet. Similarly, if the CFC is working with Black Legion against a third party, it is not permissible for PL to attack the BL segment of the combined fleet.
Regarding NPC Space within Home Regions:
While PL has a special situation with its need for renter regions and buffer zones, the CFC has a special situation regarding NPC space littering the galactic West. Therefore, special understandings apply.
In the regions of Pureblind and Fountain CFC reserve the right to refuse PL transport carrier groups, should the area be deemed a war zone, the presence of PL a destabilizing force, or for any other reason. PL is to ask permission of the CFC before sending any sizeable (20+) transport carrier group into NPC Pure Blind or NPC Fountain. The other areas of NPC sov designated as Home Regions (Syndicate, Outer Ring, Venal, NPC Delve) can be convoyed to freely without any need for a diplomatic request.
Within NPC Home Regions, all of the above provisions of B0TLRD and OTEC apply normally.
Regarding proxywars in relation to the B0TLRD Accords:
Should the sovereignty of Home Regions or Buffer Regions be markedly affected by the direct support of either party, the terms of the B0TLRD Accords may be deemed void. Of course since the objective of this agreement is to secure income security for both parties, an open dialog is expected - and notice given - before this type of action is taken.
Should one side flagrantly and intentionally violate either B0TLRD or OTEC (rather than a negotiated withdrawal before any violation occurs) , both treaties will be considered void. Example: if a PL capfleet drops on a CFC capfleet in Fountain, this is technically only a violation of B0TLRD, but it will scrap OTEC as well.
"Fuckups happen" rule: Non-catastrophic violations, i.e. rogue members, do not necessarily constitute nullifying the above agreements but an open line of communication is to be expected.
Definitions:
CFC Home Regions:
Branch, Tenal, Venal, Vale of the Silent, Tribute, Deklein, Fade, Pure Blind, Cloud Ring, Outer Ring, Syndicate, Fountain, Delve, Period Basis, Querious. This is minus BL/SOLAR sov, as they are not signatories.
PL Home Regions:
PL/BOT sov in Oasa, Outer Passage, Malpais, The Spire, and the spattering of SOV 5 systems currently under PL control. This is minus N3 sov, as they are not signatories.
PL Buffer Zones:
Perrigen Falls, Kalevala Expanse, Etherium Reach, Cache, Insmother, Detorid Eliminate Cloack + MWD trick/exploit |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19806
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Posted - 2014.01.19 00:47:00 -
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LuisWu wrote:Rules of e¦¦v¦¦e¦¦ CFC & PL Quote:..........Lot's of Sov stuff............. Fixed it for you.
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