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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:01:00 -
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Outposts :- They cost you an arm and a leg to build, they give you the advantage of being able to mine wherever u want in eve and refine your ore, to have a safe-haven in the middle of no-where... but thats what i want to talk about.
You pay stupid amounts of isk for it, you shoot someone outside it, then try to dock and get 'omg you just shot someone, your not allowed to dock even tho this is your own outpost that you built that you spent all your isk on and that should let you dock no-matter what, but we wont'
CCP can we get this fixed? Allow people to dock at outposts that they own even if they shoot at someone!
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Amataras
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:08:00 -
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he has a point
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:10:00 -
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Totally agree. Signed /.
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Ms Freak
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:14:00 -
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Forgive me but an innocent question:
About 12 months after EVE was released players in low sec/0.0 would sit ouside a station, When someone came along that they wanted to gank they ganked them with a Gank setup - hardly any deffense at all. Once they lost too much shield/armor they would Dock instantly, repair armor and undock with full shields etc and continue the gank/take chase.
I know we have dock/undock timers but would this still apply? I agree with what your saying but maybe they should ALSO make sure people can't do the above??
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Edge1
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:17:00 -
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He's not talking about normal stations, he is talking about player owned outposts.
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:18:00 -
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From my experience fighting in KDF this is exactly what they do, they allow you to dock even with aggression timer. ISS often take out a few battleships, shoot a few shots and instantly dock again.
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Renox
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Renox on 22/03/2006 16:19:54
 Originally by: Ms Freak
Forgive me but an innocent question:
About 12 months after EVE was released players in low sec/0.0 would sit ouside a station, When someone came along that they wanted to gank they ganked them with a Gank setup - hardly any deffense at all. Once they lost too much shield/armor they would Dock instantly, repair armor and undock with full shields etc and continue the gank/take chase.
I know we have dock/undock timers but would this still apply? I agree with what your saying but maybe they should ALSO make sure people can't do the above??
exactly, it's a matter of game balance. Sometimes (msot of the time??) that wins over what would "make sense" taken in context of EVE.
It would be next to impossible to attack an outpost or anyone near an outpost if the owners could instadock and undock fully charged.
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
From my experience fighting in KDF this is exactly what they do, they allow you to dock even with aggression timer. ISS often take out a few battleships, shoot a few shots and instantly dock again.
impossible.
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According to Freud, thinking the world revolves around you is a regression
to childhood, when your world actually did revolve around you. - Wrangler
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Shiner BockBeer
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:20:00 -
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No. The aggression timer for docking is there to prevent exactly what the poster above is talking about. Without it, the outpost-owning fleet is invincible.
This is not going to change, accept it.
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:25:00 -
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It would be better then, if they changed the message: "The heat from your weapons systems makes it impossible for you to safely dock: wait xx seconds," or something similar.
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Ripline
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wee Dave
It would be better then, if they changed the message: "The heat from your weapons systems makes it impossible for you to safely dock: wait xx seconds," or something similar.
Pretty much, it's there for a reason, to prevent (un)docking spam. If being considered a security risk in an outpost you own bothers you, they can just swap the flavor text to something more appropriate.
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:37:00 -
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Mmmmmmmmmmm....flavor text.
Sorry, that just brought out the Homer Simpson in me.
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shiner BockBeer
No. The aggression timer for docking is there to prevent exactly what the poster above is talking about. Without it, the outpost-owning fleet is invincible.
This is not going to change, accept it.
Who are you now? A dev?
Its stupid that you pay 21,000,000,000 isk and dont get to dock even tho you have agression. Dont you think thats rather stupid? And no it doesnt make you invincible, just makes the fact you spent all that isk fair.
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Shinra
According to Freud, thinking the world revolves around you is a regression
to childhood, when your world actually did revolve around you. - Wrangler
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:40:00 -
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Undock - redock is fecking lame. Undock - shoot - redock would be twice as lame.
Max 
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: sidthesexist
Originally by: Shiner BockBeer
No. The aggression timer for docking is there to prevent exactly what the poster above is talking about. Without it, the outpost-owning fleet is invincible.
This is not going to change, accept it.
Who are you now? A dev?
Its stupid that you pay 21,000,000,000 isk and dont get to dock even tho you have agression. Dont you think thats rather stupid? And no it doesnt make you invincible, just makes the fact you spent all that isk fair.
then don't build them?
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Vertical Aim
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Vertical Aim on 22/03/2006 16:46:52
Originally by: sidthesexist
Originally by: Shiner BockBeer
No. The aggression timer for docking is there to prevent exactly what the poster above is talking about. Without it, the outpost-owning fleet is invincible.
This is not going to change, accept it.
Who are you now? A dev?
Its stupid that you pay 21,000,000,000 isk and dont get to dock even tho you have agression. Dont you think thats rather stupid? And no it doesnt make you invincible, just makes the fact you spent all that isk fair.
Outpost arent made to give you a invincible SS, which is exactly what your asking for. They cost that much because of all the things you can do/build with them that simple. Your looking for a no risk way of attacking others or defending yourself ... now THAT would be "unfair" not going to happen.
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Kular
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:47:00 -
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Sorry no Iwin button for you, spend that 21B isk to build it, chip in a few more to either defend it yourself or hire someone competent who can. No whine for you today
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:48:00 -
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um he might not be a dev, but has a tad more intellegance than you.
if you could dock and undock at will, it would be the biggest sploit ever.
it would be virtually im possible to claim any space.
youd undock, shoot till you hurt, then dock.
or if they shoot at the station, undock, repair station till you hurt, dock
rince and repeat.
seriously, some of you guys have like 0 brains.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:49:00 -
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How typical
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.22 17:02:00 -
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Omfg.. And make it possible for entire fleets to undock and just redock whenever they want to, even after agression ? .. **** no
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.03.22 17:07:00 -
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So just because you spent 21bn ISK hauling Tritanium into 0.0, you feel this entitles you to a 'w1n' button bound to your Esc key?
Erm, no.
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.03.22 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 22/03/2006 17:10:26
Except for all you that keep saying this is a bad idea... Personally its a great idea and ill tell you why.
If they pull this undocking trick. Bring dreads blow up the POS and take the station problem solved. Then they wont be able to pull this docking trick. Remember this is for outposts only.
Now if you cant do that then what were you doing there in the first place but only trying to gank some people. Even if they stay docked or at a POS you can do nothing and they can waste your time. If your not trying to take the land then you are doing absolutely nothing to them. If they can afford to build an outpost they can also afford ships for defense of that outpost.
Putting this feature in would really do nothing in the grand scheme except give people who fight in their home the home field advantage. And whats wrong with that? Unless you have the force to remove the POS setup your own and claim the system. Then allowing them to shoot you and redock again isnt going to change anything. They are still gonna have their station and you will have accomplished nothing but destroying a few ships. Which in a nutshell isnt very much considering your sitting in a system that that alliance put nearly 30 billion isk into. You think you could do a little more damage than a few ships...
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.03.22 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Kenshin
Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 22/03/2006 17:10:26
Except for all you that keep saying this is a bad idea... Personally its a great idea and ill tell you why.
If they pull this undocking trick. Bring dreads blow up the POS and take the station problem solved. Then they wont be able to pull this docking trick. Remember this is for outposts only.
Now if you cant do that then what were you doing there in the first place but only trying to gank some people. Even if they stay docked or at a POS you can do nothing and they can waste your time. If your not trying to take the land then you are doing absolutely nothing to them. If they can afford to build an outpost they can also afford ships for defense of that outpost.
Putting this feature in would really do nothing in the grand scheme except give people who fight in their home the home field advantage. And whats wrong with that? Unless you have the force to remove the POS setup your own and claim the system. Then allowing them to shoot you and redock again isnt going to change anything. They are still gonna have their station and you will have accomplished nothing but destroying a few ships. Which in a nutshell isnt very much considering your sitting in a system that that alliance put nearly 30 billion isk into. You think you could do a little more damage than a few ships...
I don't know, it would be kind of lame to allow this. Dock-redock is, as someone already put it, lame and the lameness would only grow. Anyone in an org owning an outpost (*coughs with Kenshin*) should built the homefield advantage from other things.
I say just change the text to: "I'm sorry, all the docking lanes are busy. Please hold and try not to get blown up while we sort this Soon(tm)." 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.22 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Kenshin
Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 22/03/2006 17:10:26
Except for all you that keep saying this is a bad idea... Personally its a great idea and ill tell you why.
I strongly disagree.
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.03.22 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 22/03/2006 17:28:35
Well anyway you look at it unless your there to take the outpost and hold it you would be wasting your time. It wont matter in a few months as well be allowed to place sentry guns outside outposts come constellational sovereignty so sitting outside an enemy outpost wont be too smart.
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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Xerxes X
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Posted - 2006.03.22 18:19:00 -
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THIS IS WHY we also need docking sequences...
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2006.03.22 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous
Undock - redock is fecking lame. Undock - shoot - redock would be twice as lame.
ye lol
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.03.22 18:30:00 -
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If you do that, fighting any sort of fights outside the station becomes irrelevant. Entire fleets would hug the station and you won't be able to do anything. Aggression timer is the basic idea that keeps pvp alive, even if it might not make much sense RP-wise when you own that station.
Doesn't need fixing.
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.03.22 18:37:00 -
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simple solution:
make repairs take a specific amount of time, like 4 minutes.
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Steve Bennett
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Posted - 2006.03.22 18:41:00 -
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I agree with OP, but I also hear the problem with it (virtual invincibility of home fleet).
To counter the problem, you could limit docking frequency as long as an agression timer is in effect:
1) You shoot someone, and dock.
2) You undock and try to redock - you won't be able to. Delay of 5(?) minutes.
3) After 5 minutes you dock, and undock
4) You try to redock, but now you have to wait 10 (?) minutes.
Basically I'm saying you should at least be able to dock the first time - suppose hostiles came in system and you were in a running fire fight to get home.
Also, can't people already do the same sort of dock/undock exploit at POS? If we allow people to run inside the shields, repair, whatever, then come back, why should we not allow them to do the same at an outpost? And don't say "but you can attack the pos", because effectively you can do the same to the outpost by conquering it (and the steps involved with that).
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