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Sheeana Harb
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:00:00 -
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Survey completed.
On a sidenote, given the amount of attention S&I quality of life has received over the past years, pretty much any (upcoming) change is welcome. |
RetardedNeuron
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:14:00 -
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Here was my suggestion: a new mobile structure(s) specifically for researching/coping BPOs.
I know, I'm crazy, but hear me out. For new players coming into Eve, if they want to do industry, the major hurdle is either setting up a POS or finding a corp to do join that already. Obviously these new players are not going to have great expensive BPOs, but they can certainly get some of the noob friendly T1 BPOs. Now, if this structure REQUIRED that the BPO be in it, and had a reinforce timer, there would be some great opportunities for player content.
Younger players can get into the industry game faster, PvP is always a possibility, and of course the stucture would be appropriately balanced so that a POS far outdid it. Perhaps double the station research time, etc.
Anyhow, food for thought.
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Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
66
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:55:00 -
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Hey CCP,
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want 150bil in BPOs stolen.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want my jobs to be canceled for the lulz.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want them to be able to shoot my freighters for the lulz.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want the fuel dumped out of my POS for the lulz.
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Fix Lag
703
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:54:00 -
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Yeah if POS roles weren't so horrendous that giving someone fuel access to one tower meant they could turn off every tower, that'd be great.
But saying that just reminds me of how POS roles have been supposed to be redone for the last half decade... CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
Cloaky McWarpStab
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:34:00 -
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Xurr wrote:Hey CCP,
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want 150bil in BPOs stolen.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want my jobs to be canceled for the lulz.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want them to be able to shoot my freighters for the lulz.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want the fuel dumped out of my POS for the lulz.
Isn't trust a key game play element? |
Nex Killer
Drunk3n Industry
49
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:56:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Some kind of integration with DUST would be nice.
I think that is the master plan. This is from the fanfest Dust514 thing: http://imgur.com/a/lvm0L |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome.
109
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:03:00 -
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Tech 2 Capital Manufacturing?
Supers or something you guys just did an OOPS moment? |
Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
66
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:12:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Tech 2 Capital Manufacturing?
Supers or something you guys just did an OOPS moment?
Jump freighters. |
Phoenix Jones
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
395
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:41:00 -
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Allow bpo's to be researched at alliance pos's properly (from your personal storage array and/or from your station item area (private one not the corporation shared one).
Allow people to rent out pos modules.
Fix the damn ore reprocessing modules in the pos (its science and industry).
Assembly of a t3 in a pos array would be nice (dunno if they fixed that). The wormhole guys would like it.
Need more PI based manufacturing goods (smaller ones). Nanite repair paste is great, need more though. Stabbers are totally broken
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Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
84
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:32:00 -
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Filled it out, still mildly agitated I couldn't leave the question "what are you most happy about" blank.
In all seriousness, I have next to no faith anything is going to change until a dev sits down and tries to make some income. Let's say the value of a plex for a month or two. If that happens, all the flaws with the current system should be fairly self evident and I'd look forward to some changes. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven. |
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Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
85
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:39:00 -
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baltoxtdl wrote:Gilbaron wrote:reduce the clickfest reduce the clickfest reduce the clickfest
could you please also try and reduce the clickfest ?
oh, and less clicks please :)
the amount of essentially free production lines in highsec is too damn high that would be same as giving turrets/missiles ability to work same as drones, automatic killing stuff around you.
There'd be an incredible shitstorm if turrets worked like installing S&I jobs.
There'd be no weapon grouping. You'd have to push F1, select a target through a nested window, type in the number of rounds you'd like to fire, hit enter twice and repeat that for each turret and launcher. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven. |
Zoldarion Katelo
Void.Tech Get Off My Lawn
17
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:48:00 -
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less clicks please, that is all! |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
860
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:58:00 -
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I'd like to thank CCP for this survey, and also report that the question a 3x3 table where every line can only contain one choice was very... disconcerting. (The one about "At the beggining" "In the middle" "At the end" of the S&I process)
Also, the question about the area of space where we make the most S&I was frustrating since you could only tick one element.
PS : Oh and yes, less clickfest. Also if you happen to touch the hacking minigame, less clickfest would also be a plus :D Don't know if it is directly related to S&I. I'm signature tanking !
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Mira Taras
Minion Powered Bomb Construction
0
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Posted - 2014.01.17 09:06:00 -
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Just some ideas:
1) Let me create folders in the blueprint / corp blueprint overview.
2) Reduce the clickfest.
Would be nice to have at least something like the save option from the sales options menu.
Really nice would be a graphical overhaul of the job creation page. Let us create and bookmark jobs, based on our owned blueprints: like build 10 Damage Controls Give us a graphical list of all available production lanes on the left, the list of our bookmarked jobs on the right so i can just drop the wished job into the lane and be done. Show me the jobs as long as i have an unused blueprint that the jobs needs. So if i have 3 DC blueprints i could drop it 3 times in my lanes, then the job will be hidden in the list. Copying and Invention could be similar.
S&I is a repetitive job, so cater the gui around it please.
Non repetive tasks, like ME&PE research can still use the drag and drop, just give all available blueprints in the right list. Let me then set the wanted amount of research with mousewheel or something.
3) Improve blueprint informations. Let me see ME&PE in the symbol or something. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2554
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Posted - 2014.01.17 10:07:00 -
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Cloaky McWarpStab wrote:Xurr wrote:Hey CCP,
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want 150bil in BPOs stolen.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want my jobs to be canceled for the lulz.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want them to be able to shoot my freighters for the lulz.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want the fuel dumped out of my POS for the lulz.
Isn't trust a key game play element?
The thing is:
What's the benefit of working in the same corp as another player, from an industrial stand point? (Rather than a looser association. Not an alliance, as that just makes you a more attractive target for war decs, but grouping you together for a single dec)
I can only think of one. Standings, for anchoring POS. If everyone is careful not to have standings which mess with the chosen faction. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
282
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Posted - 2014.01.17 10:42:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:What's the benefit of working in the same corp as another player, from an industrial stand point?
I can only think of one. Standings, for anchoring POS. If everyone is careful not to have standings which mess with the chosen faction. While it can be a benefit, the standings are an obstacle most of the time. I'd get rid of the standing requirements for anchoring POS altogether.
Other potential benefits of working in the same corps: - Separation of duties (specialization) - Sharing of underutilized BPOs and POS - Timezone coverage |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2554
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:18:00 -
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Aineko Macx wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:What's the benefit of working in the same corp as another player, from an industrial stand point?
I can only think of one. Standings, for anchoring POS. If everyone is careful not to have standings which mess with the chosen faction. While it can be a benefit, the standings are an obstacle most of the time. I'd get rid of the standing requirements for anchoring POS altogether. Other potential benefits of working in the same corps: - Separation of duties (specialization) - Sharing of underutilized BPOs and POS - Timezone coverage
Separation of duties: A corp doesn't help with this. a loose association does it as well, without the risk of losing your stuff.
Sharing: True. Can't argue with this one.
Timezone Coverage: Not a huge issue for an industrial corp, except for defence
I would like there to be more reasons to be in a corp, but it requires more safeguards on your stuff, to stop it from being nicked by someone. Personal production facilities would help here, rather than global POS ones. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
338
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:22:00 -
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mxzf wrote:batch start production/research/invention jobs that are identical
This. And if the client would remember the last used values that would help a hell of a lot.
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Rodrik Vikary
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:40:00 -
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I've answered this survey yesterday, even though my knowledge in the area of S&I is very low. I mainly do PI, which was hard in the beggining (lost some isk having to rebuild after noticing mistakes) but now it is really easy.
My main problem with S&I is that, it seems there are just too many skills for it. I can't begin to understand what all those Science skills are used for and I think the information should be more ingame than now. Right now there is too much info that I need to search elsewhere to understand how things work since I'm a new player here (6 months).
I understand the need for specialization with EVE but it seems like getting into S&I is practically impossible for people like me and I believe in a sandbox, all aspects of the game should be a little bit easier to understand and to begin. The most manufacturing I've done so far was getting a BPC and using it, like in the tutorials, because the rest is kind of a mystery to me. |
probag Bear
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:03:00 -
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Ugh, completely forgot about this during the survey. Doing the daily S&I reminded me:
Either something must be done about be 1000 item cap, or BPC must be made stackable. As it stands, organizing BPCs is a nightmare of overflow containers, since each container can only hold 1000 copies. |
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
338
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:13:00 -
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Rodrik Vikary wrote:My main problem with S&I is that, it seems there are just too many skills for it.
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For T1 manufacturing there's only one mandatory skill and three optional (although one of the three really is really important and the other two are quite useful too). Four is not that many wouldn't you agree
Anyway, maybe these help:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Manufacturing https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blueprints https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Research_and_manufacturing https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Researching_blueprints https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention
A lot of reading but that really is unavoidable. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
probag Bear
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:37:00 -
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Aineko Macx wrote:While it can be a benefit, the standings are an obstacle most of the time.
Due to the way corporation standings update, as long as all your S&I alts have null standings as they should, you only need to hire a standings booster once. After corp standings update to the booster's standings, they will never change again. |
Rodrik Vikary
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:57:00 -
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Then what are all those Science skills for?! Kidding, I know for T1 it is a little more basic stuff (I was able to manufacture my own Astero anyway) but it feels like there is so much more to it that I don't know and I need to check wikis to understand. I don't mind reading wikis, but more information should be available ingame I think (and newbie friendly too =] ).
Anyway, thanks for the links, I'll try to uncover those misteries as soon as I return from my little vacation! |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2554
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:57:00 -
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Rodrik Vikary wrote:I've answered this survey yesterday, even though my knowledge in the area of S&I is very low. I mainly do PI, which was hard in the beggining (lost some isk having to rebuild after noticing mistakes) but now it is really easy.
My main problem with S&I is that, it seems there are just too many skills for it. I can't begin to understand what all those Science skills are used for and I think the information should be more ingame than now. Right now there is too much info that I need to search elsewhere to understand how things work since I'm a new player here (6 months).
I understand the need for specialization with EVE but it seems like getting into S&I is practically impossible for people like me and I believe in a sandbox, all aspects of the game should be a little bit easier to understand and to begin. The most manufacturing I've done so far was getting a BPC and using it, like in the tutorials, because the rest is kind of a mystery to me.
T1 manufacturing has 5 skills which affect it: Industry: Time to make something (and as a requirement) Production Efficiency: The additional waste due to low skill. Supply Chain Networking: Start jobs remotely. Mass Production and Advanced Mass Production: for additional lines.
T1 research (ME, PE, copying) Lab operations, Advanced Lab operations: number of slots you have. Metallurgy: reduces ME research time. Research: reduces PL research time Scientific Networking: remote jobs.
T2 manufacturing has additional skill requirements for actually making the thing. No 'modifier' skills.
T2 /invention/ requires a bunch of science skills. You can get started with just 2. More open up more blueprints to invent from. You also need at least one Encryption methods skill. Other than that, it's the regular skills for research.
T3 needs some more skills (I've not touched it yet).
Refining needs some skills too, to reduce the waste.
So, all in all, not really /that/ many skills needed. Compare it to PvP.
Edit (I posted late, due to work expecting me to actually do some work): Getting the information /in/ game isn't that easy to do, when it's as wide ranging as it is.
Mostly, referring people to the wiki makes sense. As it's 'official' documentation for the game. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
1205
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:09:00 -
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Survey completed. Now don't tease us with a survey and not do anything, I know what you lot are like you scallywags Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
327
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:28:00 -
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Cloaky McWarpStab wrote:Xurr wrote:Hey CCP,
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want 150bil in BPOs stolen.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want my jobs to be canceled for the lulz.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want them to be able to shoot my freighters for the lulz.
I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want the fuel dumped out of my POS for the lulz.
Isn't trust a key game play element?
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Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
71
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:49:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:What's the benefit of working in the same corp as another player, from an industrial stand point?
I can only think of one. Standings, for anchoring POS. If everyone is careful not to have standings which mess with the chosen faction. While it can be a benefit, the standings are an obstacle most of the time. I'd get rid of the standing requirements for anchoring POS altogether. Other potential benefits of working in the same corps: - Separation of duties (specialization) - Sharing of underutilized BPOs and POS - Timezone coverage Separation of duties: A corp doesn't help with this. a loose association does it as well, without the risk of losing your stuff. Sharing: True. Can't argue with this one. Timezone Coverage: Not a huge issue for an industrial corp, except for defence I would like there to be more reasons to be in a corp, but it requires more safeguards on your stuff, to stop it from being nicked by someone. Personal production facilities would help here, rather than global POS ones.
You can argue with the sharing of underutilized BPOs.
Ok so you lock them down. If you don't have all the shares of the corp then they are still at risk. Ask bad bobby how sharing locked down BPOs works out.
If only one person in the corp owns BPOs to be locked down and they own all the shares and they set up the roles for a single division at a single station I think you still face the issue of them being able to cancel jobs. I'm not 100% on that as I don't feel like finding out the hard way.
If you wanted to have multiple people sharing multiple BPOs you'd face lock down issues, you'd face a lack of divisions, if you wanted to 5 or 10 people access to a group of BPOs in one division in one station they could still steal from each other.
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Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
29
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Posted - 2014.01.17 16:40:00 -
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Cloaky McWarpStab wrote: Isn't trust a key game play element?
No.
Handling trust is the single most important thing in Eve, not trust itself.
The problem is how the corp interface does not facilitate handing out trust in proper doses. It is all or nothing. Give someone the roles to fuel a POS, and he can bring down every single POS you have. Give someone some shares, and come back after a week's vacation to find your entire corp stripped and taken over.
The problems of S&I, beyond the clickfest, are a collision of S&I with corp roles, hangar management and unintuitive rights management combined with a lack of granular roles.
I'd love to be able to, say, rent out my unused BPO portfolio to others, but in doing so I am opening myself up to tremendous risks that I do not feel adequately equipped for, because managing rights is confusing and error prone.
Seriously, managing ACL in a Windows Active Directory environment, which is what I do at work, is LESS error prone and confusing than Eve's corp role management. MS is definitely not known for clear-cut designs, you know... |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
394
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:02:00 -
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Survey filled out. From the sort of questions they're asking,looks like they're trying to kill off the single player S&I corps by forcing it to be a cooperative action. What next, one person to power the mining laser and another to aim it?
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Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
29
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:12:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Survey filled out. From the sort of questions they're asking,looks like they're trying to kill off the single player S&I corps by forcing it to be a cooperative action. What next, one person to power the mining laser and another to aim it?
Did you just try to out-bitter me? I thought that was impossible. |
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