reduce the clickfest
reduce the clickfest
reduce the clickfest

could you please also try and reduce the clickfest ?

oh, and less clicks please :)

the amount of essentially free production lines in highsec is too damn high

I would add the ability to pipe minerals from my hangar into a production chain... Let me set up a system that produces two rifters per day up to n total if minerals are available in my items hangar. Then let me set up a rush job for a navy vexor that takes precedence so other jobs stop taking minerals, and the navy vexor starts production as soon as the minerals are in the hangar.

This lets me approach production as a side job, like market trading. I can use a courier contract or market order or my own hauler to drop off the minerals, or I can just skip it and nothing gets produced for a while.

I'd like to see the ME, PE and runs on my BPC icon without clicking show info or going by the blueprint window. That window is way too slow when you have thousands of BPCs.

Edit: did the survey but I forgot to add that one.

reduce the clickfest
reduce the clickfest
reduce the clickfest

could you please also try and reduce the clickfest ?

oh, and less clicks please :)

the amount of essentially free production lines in highsec is too damn high

Save PI Configurations like you can save fittings, but rather than by ship or class, by planet type... allow corp PI configs too. This will make peeps with 5+ accounts not want to rip their eyeballs out when moving and setting up 30 new planets.

Hey CCP,

I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want 150bil in BPOs stolen.

I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want my jobs to be canceled for the lulz.

I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want them to be able to shoot my freighters for the lulz.

I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want the fuel dumped out of my POS for the lulz.

Some kind of integration with DUST would be nice.

Tech 2 Capital Manufacturing?

Supers or something you guys just did an OOPS moment?

that would be same as giving turrets/missiles ability to work same as drones, automatic killing stuff around you.

Isn't trust a key game play element?

What's the benefit of working in the same corp as another player, from an industrial stand point?

I can only think of one. Standings, for anchoring POS. If everyone is careful not to have standings which mess with the chosen faction.

While it can be a benefit, the standings are an obstacle most of the time. I'd get rid of the standing requirements for anchoring POS altogether.

Other potential benefits of working in the same corps:
- Separation of duties (specialization)
- Sharing of underutilized BPOs and POS
- Timezone coverage

batch start production/research/invention jobs that are identical

My main problem with S&I is that, it seems there are just too many skills for it.

While it can be a benefit, the standings are an obstacle most of the time.

??

For T1 manufacturing there's only one mandatory skill and three optional (although one of the three really is really important and the other two are quite useful too). Four is not that many wouldn't you agree

Anyway, maybe these help:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Manufacturing
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blueprints
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Research_and_manufacturing
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Researching_blueprints
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention

A lot of reading but that really is unavoidable.

I've answered this survey yesterday, even though my knowledge in the area of S&I is very low. I mainly do PI, which was hard in the beggining (lost some isk having to rebuild after noticing mistakes) but now it is really easy.

My main problem with S&I is that, it seems there are just too many skills for it. I can't begin to understand what all those Science skills are used for and I think the information should be more ingame than now. Right now there is too much info that I need to search elsewhere to understand how things work since I'm a new player here (6 months).

I understand the need for specialization with EVE but it seems like getting into S&I is practically impossible for people like me and I believe in a sandbox, all aspects of the game should be a little bit easier to understand and to begin. The most manufacturing I've done so far was getting a BPC and using it, like in the tutorials, because the rest is kind of a mystery to me.

Isn't trust a key game play element?

Separation of duties:
A corp doesn't help with this. a loose association does it as well, without the risk of losing your stuff.

Sharing:
True. Can't argue with this one.

Timezone Coverage:
Not a huge issue for an industrial corp, except for defence




I would like there to be more reasons to be in a corp, but it requires more safeguards on your stuff, to stop it from being nicked by someone. Personal production facilities would help here, rather than global POS ones.

Isn't trust a key game play element?

Survey filled out. From the sort of questions they're asking,looks like they're trying to kill off the single player S&I corps by forcing it to be a cooperative action. What next, one person to power the mining laser and another to aim it?

Survey filled out. From the sort of questions they're asking,looks like they're trying to kill off the single player S&I corps by forcing it to be a cooperative action. What next, one person to power the mining laser and another to aim it?

I'd be surprised if they make current things unable to be done by an individual.

New things, or making it easier/safer/less insane to do in a group is possible though.

first they need to find something that can't be solved by throwing more alts at the problem. definitely a non-trivial task.

Invention minigame, requiring constant solving of the hacking minigame while docked in station.

You heard it here first.

reduce the clickfest
reduce the clickfest
reduce the clickfest

could you please also try and reduce the clickfest ?

oh, and less clicks please :)

the amount of essentially free production lines in highsec is too damn high

Like many others I run a alt indy corp, because the way corp role mangment works. I will not risk my BPO and material stockpiles by letting in other players inside my corp.

I can't find the post but someone had an idea for BPC that I really liked. They said what if you could take BPCs of the same ME/PE and combine them into one big BPC. So lets say you had 100 BPC of something but they all had different runs left you could combine for a fee and make them into one big BPC, would be nice for Tech 2 BPCs. That would be cool :D

reduce the clickfest
reduce the clickfest
reduce the clickfest

could you please also try and reduce the clickfest ?

oh, and less clicks please :)

the amount of essentially free production lines in highsec is too damn high

The thing is:

What's the benefit of working in the same corp as another player, from an industrial stand point? (Rather than a looser association. Not an alliance, as that just makes you a more attractive target for war decs, but grouping you together for a single dec)

I can only think of one. Standings, for anchoring POS. If everyone is careful not to have standings which mess with the chosen faction.

Some of these questions needs a "does not apply or not involved with" option for the things we have no involvement in, and have no real clue about. I feel odd answering "easy" or "hard" on, say, Capital manufacturing, Star Base reactions, deployment, etc., considering I have absolutely no involvement with any of them, and can't give an accurate opinion for it.

I've answered this survey yesterday, even though my knowledge in the area of S&I is very low. I mainly do PI, which was hard in the beggining (lost some isk having to rebuild after noticing mistakes) but now it is really easy.

My main problem with S&I is that, it seems there are just too many skills for it. I can't begin to understand what all those Science skills are used for and I think the information should be more ingame than now. Right now there is too much info that I need to search elsewhere to understand how things work since I'm a new player here (6 months).

I understand the need for specialization with EVE but it seems like getting into S&I is practically impossible for people like me and I believe in a sandbox, all aspects of the game should be a little bit easier to understand and to begin. The most manufacturing I've done so far was getting a BPC and using it, like in the tutorials, because the rest is kind of a mystery to me.

Hi there, posted a proposal related to industry here

Did you just try to out-bitter me? I thought that was impossible.

Some more means to disrupt your competitors would be nice as well.

Currently we can:
- Increase POCO tax,
-Wardec corp to take down POS

and that is pretty much it.

Highsec production slots are too plentyful, too anonimous, too cheap. Hauling can be solved with out of corp alts; and station traders (strictly not S&I) are immune to everything and everyone.

I guess this is way out of scope/reasonable but I'd like to be able to hire Dust mercenaries (or some other mechanic) to engage rival PI extractors; or blow up their production lines. Or clear out some drone infestation and have my own PI efficiency get back to 100%. Hack their hisec invention laboraties.

I've started a betting pool for how long before jump-drives require five plex to activate, and if all T2 bpos except those belonging to goonswarm will be turned to bpcs.

You can put a hit on someone and ruin their hauling alts for a long time. Isn't that enough?

Not sure why you think there are too many plentiful hi-sec slots? Not sure why you think they are cheap or you should know who's doing what where? Doesn't hi-sec research take long enough already?

Blowing up PI? Really? So you basically want industry tools to grief people. Good lord.

I am saying that industry is way too safe at the moment. Its also quite fitting that you'd post this being in an NPC corp.

One thing thats pretty important for CCP to remember.

If they make S&I easier, better, or draw attention to it as a feature in an upcoming expansion, its vital to introduce new stuff that needs to be made. If CCP improve S&I a load more people will enter the market, and while the extra competition will help the market run smoother than ever it will also exacerbate the over supply problem we already have.

There'd be an incredible shitstorm if turrets worked like installing S&I jobs.

There'd be no weapon grouping. You'd have to push F1, select a target through a nested window, type in the number of rounds you'd like to fire, hit enter twice and repeat that for each turret and launcher.

Basically though, while one can do T2 production 'solo' most people truly don't. I don't know of anyone that has a full moon mat production chain to build an Ishtar for instance. Same with cap production, most people don't mine mats for a super solo. So in a way, the market is coop gameplay currently.

Why bother CCP?
You already know the answers to these questions, and what the "solution" will be.

Anything you do will be co-opted by the null sec cartels in their insidious crusade to turn high sec into an economic wasteland to enhance their own null sec income streams.

What ever came of this?

let us set the source materials location and then dynamically populate the "quote" window as we adjust the number of runs or other parameters. It needs to be sliders, not dropdown menus that require a click for recalculating every adjustment.

[quote=Rodrik Vikary]

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Manufacturing
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blueprints
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Research_and_manufacturing
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Researching_blueprints
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention

A lot of reading but that really is unavoidable.

Why should I have to spend precious time outside the game reading about something that should be fun to do in the game.
This is what needs fixing in my opinion, clarity withing the game, so that we play, not read wikis and blogs and what not.....

Save PI Configurations like you can save fittings, but rather than by ship or class, by planet type... allow corp PI configs too. This will make peeps with 5+ accounts not want to rip their eyeballs out when moving and setting up 30 new planets.

Hey CCP,

I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want 150bil in BPOs stolen.

I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want my jobs to be canceled for the lulz.

I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want them to be able to shoot my freighters for the lulz.

I'm not going to co-operate with others because I don't want the fuel dumped out of my POS for the lulz.

Have invention be better. Can we have some bpcs that come out with a positive ME?

POs standings rec for players and not corp.player that own POs can set pos acces to other corp members.and ceo cant do a **** if his not the 1 setting it up.

Reason for refining and reprocessing nerf is simple.
More income to miners -> more AFK mining in higsec -> more mining accounts.

Currently CCP actions managed to reduce active player base to levels i 2008, we will see what focusing on industry will "yeld" them in the long term.

Reason for refining and reprocessing nerf is simple.
More income to miners -> more AFK mining in higsec -> more mining accounts.

Currently CCP actions managed to reduce active player base to levels i 2008, we will see what focusing on industry will "yeld" them in the long term.

Mr Arrow,

I have a rather unique and interesting suggestion that is quite creative and provides significant benefits (Huge ISK Sink, New Player Retention, Old Player Retention, Increased real-world income for CCP) which maintains eves complexity whilst removing some complications in relation to Industry, blueprints and manufacturing and would love to share this with you (it is quite detailed and given freely by me as a fan).

ccp didn't take any suggestion regarding the invention changes. they lied thru their friggin heads about taking feedback from the community..so now they're forcing the changes come next Tuesday.

thanks a lot ccp for you provide more reason to stop paying to play this mess.

Hey everyone.

Team Game of Drones is doing extensive investigation and discovery work for Science & Industry in EVE (referred to as S&I) as a part of a larger effort of getting insight into the current player preferences and user behavior related to S&I.

Please take the survey and help us improve the game - Your opinion matters!

http://industry.questionpro.com

Fly safe,
@CCP_Arrow

This Survey has been deactivated by the owner.

Please rip out all the tabular presented data, my out of game calculators already are enough to cope with. (my out of game tools are also giving me an advantage over the average player, so please don't dumb it down enough to make me lose my edge )

I think S&I could be well served if it was represented as industrial process diagrams, (work your ISIS magic please) which you could configure to do:
- N runs of Product
- run for N amount of time
- run continuously;

and use your pos modules/station hangers as hoppers that you could top off if needed. (drag & drop material to a hopper and it will 'install the job') Eliminating manual selection of production lines in the process.

And try to sort out the needed corporate roles in the process. Alliance level access, renting out production facilities, proper access management.
I'd like to cooperate my builds with corp members, but setting up restricted access between various corp members is a major headache if not impossible; and it stops me from recruiting new players.