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Klesara
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Posted - 2006.03.24 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Klesara on 24/03/2006 00:40:46
Quote: Its an unfortunate mistake, but this didnt belong on the forums. It could have easily been resolved with a simple return evemail.
I'm sure Upton Sinclair would have preferred to just write the Chicago meat packing industry a polite, private letter, but he did not feel like that would get the job done. Likewise, I felt that, since I had already been labelled a scammer by the CEO of the corporation, there was nowhere else to turn but to the forums.
Quote: after Klesara brought it to the forums I would have been sorely tempted to hand over the isk and then have some location agent fun to give the little tattletale something to spend his 25m isk on
I fly an Executioner and have no implants. The pilots of ISS may kill me at their leisure, if that is what they enjoy doing.
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Jonny Damordred
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Posted - 2006.03.24 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight Meh maybe so but bringing this to the forums was not exactly going to give anyone involved a warm and cosy feeling about this.
Then Serenity should not have been condesending and actually fact-checked beforehand. What should the poster have done? Sent another evemail to be ignored again?
Cheers, Jonny D. ----- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- B. Franklin
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insanebe 2
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Posted - 2006.03.24 00:56:00 -
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this would have been really funny if it had happened to the ceo of a large mercenary or pvp alliance :p
they would probably start popping iss out of principal
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Kahn Moquil
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Posted - 2006.03.24 01:16:00 -
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As one of the leaders of ISS, Serenity should've handled this better. Apparently she gets so many eve-mails that it's like a dayjob, yet she finds to time to write one accusing the OP of scamming. Might as well not have responded at all, and check the facts when she had the time for it. And only then reply.
People who blame the OP for taking 'drama' to the forums need to think about what they're saying. If you have a beef with one of Eve's most wellknown people, you usually don't make much of an impact with an evemail. Especially if you've already received one where you are called a scammer.
Does anybody remember the char transfer scam that involved Big? And how TornSoul put down the guy that got scammed by calling him a scammer, and backing the Big member that was accused? Then you'll also remember who turned out to be in the right after it was all finished.
If you've made a name for yourself in Eve, you will undoubtedly be the target of many nasty things. That doesn't give you the right to dismiss each and every complaint you receive. If you do, and you make a mistake, you can expect it to end up on the forums. Especially if you are the driving force behind something that a lot of players have huge amounts of money invested in. Not only does the attention assure the OP of a fast response, it also serves the purpose of the rest of the community to get an idea of the kind of people they're actually dealing with.
Interviews with ISD and Escapist Magazine are a way to show off the good side. I thank the OP for showing us a glimpse of the bad side of Serenity. In this case, the arrogant, quick to judge and stuck up side.
/me awaits the ISS cannonfodder to line up and defend their glorious leaders.
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2006.03.24 01:24:00 -
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Hello everyone what does assume do? Makes an ASS outta U and Me.
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Kryztal
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Posted - 2006.03.24 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Professor McFly
Originally by: Klesara
********************** 2006.03.23 23:52 It was an honest mistake, mate. Don't you realise how many emails we handle everyday, this is like a frigging fulltime day job sometimes. Mistakes happen, SS was a little too quick on the trigger this time.
Next time you should try eve-mailing people nice and quiet again instead of this drama.
Money sent.
Count ***********************
That response is pathetic. If I were in Klesara's place I would be a lot less civil in this thread tbfh. Klesara, you have a lot of self control
Meh maybe so but bringing this to the forums was not exactly going to give anyone involved a warm and cosy feeling about this.
I might have dealt with the actual problem a little differently if this had been me and not Serenity but after Klesara brought it to the forums I would have been sorely tempted to hand over the isk and then have some location agent fun to give the little tattletale something to spend his 25m isk on
Knowing you to be honerable to your word i doubt this would happen to you :P
Black Nova Corp
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Zooish
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Posted - 2006.03.24 02:38:00 -
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If you want bad customer relations then ....
Mongo Peck is a Director of the ISSN put him in charge of public relations .... and I'm sure after 8 pints you will get a more sympathetic response ...
LoL
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.03.24 06:21:00 -
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Quote: Meh maybe so but bringing this to the forums was not exactly going to give anyone involved a warm and cosy feeling about this.
well with all due respect, if this had not been brought to the forums i got the feeling that the OP would not of had a positive resolution to the situation..it was obvious from the attitude shown by several ISS pilots here that they had little respect for the rgulations and expectations of performing such a transaction..and the fact that SS runs a mullti billion isk alliance give her the supposid right of not paying a partly sum of 25 million...when ISS are faced with all the negative replys from the eve community...which ISS need the good will of to survive and thrive as they do...it was obvious to them they had to give a positive resolution...but even then they couldnt be purley apologetic..they had to be a bit condesending in their apology mail...which shows a great deal of arrogance for a alliance which exists on the good will of their neighbours and the rest of the community. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |
Raid
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Posted - 2006.03.24 06:34:00 -
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*bump*
I like this thread!
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Shadows Soul
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Posted - 2006.03.24 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Its an unfortunate mistake, but this didnt belong on the forums. It could have easily been resolved with a simple return evemail.
Still, at least its all sorted now.
Bringing this to the forums got him his ISK in under six hours. If he had gone the evemail rout he probobly would have been waiting in six days.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2006.03.24 08:33:00 -
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Blah just shoot ISS anyway, think of it as 0.0 housekeeping
What started of as a good idea has been twisted and perverted to cause nothing but problems for nearly every alliance that gave them a break.
" Stay Frosty "
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Vestalia Gaea
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Posted - 2006.03.24 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Vestalia Gaea on 24/03/2006 09:17:35 Yeh through all of this, Serenity Steel has still been arrogant and not apologised, while Count has done it for him. Perhaps SS should apologise now? You really come off as an arrogant p.rick tbh
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2006.03.24 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Fuujin on 24/03/2006 09:21:19 ISS forgot the apology along with that 25mil isk. _______________
The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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WildHope
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Posted - 2006.03.24 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight Witch hunt over 25m isk and a little bit of a mix up... ooh the drama.
With you on this one. Possibly the most ridiculous thread to have ever reached 4 pages. Hope the people ripping it out of the ISS person aren't doing so seriously, for their own sake.
Wildhope ShinRa Curse Alliance (may it last 1000 generations)
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.24 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: WildHope
Originally by: Blacklight Witch hunt over 25m isk and a little bit of a mix up... ooh the drama.
With you on this one. Possibly the most ridiculous thread to have ever reached 4 pages. Hope the people ripping it out of the ISS person aren't doing so seriously, for their own sake.
Tell me about it when one of the hypocrits in here has a bad day and miss-handles something I'll be chuckling away when they get pilloried over it.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.03.24 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 24/03/2006 09:38:01 Wow, I definitely didn't know how much bob tried to get a reason to fight ISS. Even the most useless threads serves a purpose I guess ---
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.24 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 24/03/2006 09:38:01 Wow, I definitely didn't know how much bob tried to get a reason to fight ISS. Even the most useless threads serves a purpose I guess
lol what are you on about Fred0? If we wanted to fight ISS we'd just do it but much as I'm tempted to nick their outposts for a laugh we've got smaller less competent fish to fry at the moment
Eve Blacklight Style
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.24 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zooish If you want bad customer relations then ....
Mongo Peck is a Director of the ISSN put him in charge of public relations .... and I'm sure after 8 pints you will get a more sympathetic response ...
LoL
Mongo is scary when drunk. We live in fear!
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.24 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 24/03/2006 09:38:01 Wow, I definitely didn't know how much bob tried to get a reason to fight ISS. Even the most useless threads serves a purpose I guess
You really don't know what you're talking about - troll some other thread please. BoB are a PvP alliance, and a very good one at that, but they're not openly hostile to us. Its more a 'targets of opportunity' thing.
In fact only last night they gave some hostiles in KDF a pounding for which we were thankful :)
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.03.24 10:13:00 -
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ummm.. was reflecting on Kryztal and Dianabolic's replies here which seemed very harsh considering what went on. It looked like an obvious attempt to start a flamewar to me
/me crawls back to desk. ---
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Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2006.03.24 10:19:00 -
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Ok, guys, morning is on us here in Europe and I just reread the thread. I was tired and about to go to bed last night, too late as usual, when I saw this. I apologise if I came off as arrogant in my reply to Klesara. Of course he should have his money. The explanation for the whole mess is real simple: SS had forgotten she had ordered those shares on the sell forums, and then assumed it was a scam when she read the mail from Klesara. Her bad. It's no excuse for what happened, but we have been victim of a series of attempted scams over the last months which have left us a little jaded, I guess.
Anyway, Klesara: we apologise.
Next time a similar error happens, and it will, human nature dictates it must, there is surefire way to reach us: through the www.eve-iss.com website forums 'Business with ISS' section. We read those all the time, and someone from the management team will reply to all serious requests demanding our attention. We cannot guarantee this will happen with the Eve-O forums, as so much stuff is always happening here that some things might slip through.
Chairman, ISS
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Killrat
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Posted - 2006.03.24 10:26:00 -
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If the Monetary side of ISS is run the same as the ISS Navy side, i fear for the whole of ISS.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.24 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Killrat If the Monetary side of ISS is run the same as the ISS Navy side, i fear for the whole of ISS.
They're quite seperate, I assure you.... are you accusing us of losing fights? How dare you
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Maria Cournacovia
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Posted - 2006.03.24 11:09:00 -
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just kill ISS. They deserve it and as for serenity steele - your gonan have some problems now enjoy you UP UR OWN A SS BI A TCH!!!!!
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Tecam Hund
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Posted - 2006.03.24 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine Ok, guys, morning is on us here in Europe and I just reread the thread. I was tired and about to go to bed last night, too late as usual, when I saw this. I apologise if I came off as arrogant in my reply to Klesara. Of course he should have his money. The explanation for the whole mess is real simple: SS had forgotten she had ordered those shares on the sell forums, and then assumed it was a scam when she read the mail from Klesara. Her bad. It's no excuse for what happened, but we have been victim of a series of attempted scams over the last months which have left us a little jaded, I guess.
Anyway, Klesara: we apologise.
Next time a similar error happens, and it will, human nature dictates it must, there is surefire way to reach us: through the www.eve-iss.com website forums 'Business with ISS' section. We read those all the time, and someone from the management team will reply to all serious requests demanding our attention. We cannot guarantee this will happen with the Eve-O forums, as so much stuff is always happening here that some things might slip through.
On top of what Count said, Klesara is a very new character who spent only 4-5 days in a noob corp. Took me some time to understand how come a person so new can have so much money in form of shares. So imagine you forget you bought the shares, check the eve-mail, bring up the character information and see a person with no corp history and 4-5 days into the game. The mistake was completely fair, and if you ask me bringing it to the EvE-O forums wasn't a good idea.
Look at all the vultures who want SS' and ISS' blood now. Success surely makes you enemies.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2006.03.24 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Cournacovia just kill ISS. They deserve it and as for serenity steele - your gonan have some problems now enjoy you UP UR OWN A SS BI A TCH!!!!!
your free to try...
either put up or shut up plx
oh and we arnt scared of fights that are remotely even numbers unlike a bunch of other entitys out there that i can name
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.24 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Maria Cournacovia just kill ISS. They deserve it and as for serenity steele - your gonan have some problems now enjoy you UP UR OWN A SS BI A TCH!!!!!
your free to try...
either put up or shut up plx
oh and we arnt scared of fights that are remotely even numbers unlike a bunch of other entitys out there that i can name
And we still often fight when we are completely outnumbered... my weekly BS losses are a testament to this
Ah, but its all good fun :)
------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.24 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Cournacovia just kill ISS. They deserve it and as for serenity steele - your gonan have some problems now enjoy you UP UR OWN A SS BI A TCH!!!!!
rofl. Funneh.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.24 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund
Look at all the vultures who want SS' and ISS' blood now. Success surely makes you enemies.
There are some huge misconceptions here though.
ISS is not a rich alliance at all, the shareholders money is all invested in the outposts - and the income from the outposts is paid out 100% as dividends. ISS get nothing from this (apart from the minority of shareholders who are ISS members).
We are successful in our goal of trying to provide a civilian infrastructure to everyone in 'neglected' 0.0 areas, but we're not rich. Not at all. Its the EVE players, the investors, who actually make it all happen. We're just administrators when it comes down to it.
------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting.
See this thread for further details.
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Muskells
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Posted - 2006.03.24 11:38:00 -
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yep Lilian Kahn has moved into the ISS Navy, Bob have started there recon already then.
Bob to kill ISS. ----- <---Watch this space
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