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Blydchyld
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:57:00 -
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Any form of communication in support of national objectives designed to influence the opinions, emotions, attitudes, or behavior of any group in order to benefit the sponsor, either directly or indirectly.
In EvE we have 3 methods of PvP.
Killing Each Other.
Price Wars.
Forum Wars.
An alliance can loose 75% of its combat forces and score a massive defeat, an alliance can attack another, cause huge amounts of damage to their Enemys but come no where near defeating them an alliance can even take a Outpost from another at the cost of blood.
To me these are the facts, the important things. However the official word of the action is posted here to the EvE-Online Forums, Alliances win and loose wars withour rounds being fired or without the mobilisation of a fleet.
I read these forums a fair bit, i notice there are masters of the written word along the likes of Dark Shirkari with his love of little blue robots and DBpreacher with his word carrying the weight of BoB, I have much respect for these guys and how they can join a thread make a comment and re-direct the entire topic.
Firstly, i ask you, the community of EvE for your opinion on Forum Warfare, those warriors (keep it nice, or dont bother posting) and to answer one simple question, Why are the EvE-O forums such a important part of the game.
Please do not choose this thread to add your trolling and flames too, im sure you can find some political thread to spam on.
I LIKE ARK!
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 23/03/2006 20:00:40
IMHO the entire .5. vs PA/NBSI/F-E war was sparked by their members actions on EO forums... or at least played a big part in it.
thats just my opinion as a grunt.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:06:00 -
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it's all about moral, which can be influenced in game or out.
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Ripline
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Blydchyld
Why are the EvE-O forums such a important part of the game.
If you start to enumerate the methods of one-to-many communications extending outside your alliance it should be apparent enough.
News, spin, political weather reports (etc). Generally making your activities known. There aren't that many viable methods for doing so aside forums.
That said, forums are one thing and reality on the ground another. No amount of smacktalk out here is going to , say, change the ownership of some strategic station/outpost.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:15:00 -
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Its because eve is a game so people consider more important to uphold their honour / not lose their face / not be considered losers than sparing a few isk/ships.
Hence propaganda is so important cuz nobody want to be considered the laughing stock of eve.
- Gob
(my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p) |
Acwron
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:32:00 -
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Well though it might work on alliances without experience it doesn't work with any of the alliances with a lot of veteran players because the know the forum tactics, spinners etc. The just smile about most postings because they are either misinformed (90% of the normal alliance member posts) or so full of bull**** it's not worth reading trough it.
e.g. if DBp would say that the sky is blue I would check it out first hand before believing it.
I personnally find it more interesting if they more laid back, contributing posters resort to smack and propagenda. Tells much about how the fell in that situation. I always smile to myself when they feel the need to bull**** the public while they and the other involved party knows that it was quite different.
Most sensible threads are useless after page 2 anyway since some alliance forumwarrior hord put about 30 one line posts in it.
PS: but sometimes one gets the impression that some of the propagenda guys acctually believe what they are saying and thats scary :)
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:35:00 -
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Can't really comment, we don't do propaganda, we just point it out when people suck.
Eve Blacklight Style
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:37:00 -
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bawk!
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler |
Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 23/03/2006 20:38:23
Originally by: Acwron
Well though it might work on alliances without experience it doesn't work with any of the alliances with a lot of veteran players because the know the forum tactics, spinners etc. The just smile about most postings because they are either misinformed (90% of the normal alliance member posts) or so full of bull**** it's not worth reading trough it.
wtf r u talking about m8 the number one reason you guys came for ASCN back in december was because of eve-o posts:
- 1 ascn official annoucnement about esoteria
- 1 post about the kill loss ratio up north
edit: not saying it was wrong, just that even most experienced alliances get mightly p*ssed about certain type of eve-o posts and that can mean war.
- Gob
(my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p) |
Sarion Stormweaver
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:39:00 -
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War doesn't brake an alliance. Propaganda does!. A campaign can take 6-7 times longer without propaganda.
It's like a bank. Take 10 persons with media power. They start spreading rumors in media that X Bank is in trouble. Soon people will start withdrawing money from the bank... and they tell other people that they've seen so many others withdrawing money from the bank, and then it's the domino effect, and NOW the bank IS in trouble :P. Note that theese 10 persons must have high charisma, be very persuasive and logical in their assertions.
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Aceformat
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:40:00 -
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Propoganda as a tool, if worded well and to the point, with no lies but facts and figures can and is a very very good way of demoralising the enemy, changing people around to your way of thinking and of course boosts your corp/alliance/allies also.
I've used propoganda to get my way a few times, but not in the publics eyeline (Yet) and have had good results if it's done right and bad results if I didn't think it through first.
Timing I find is another key point in propoganda also, if you're off by even an hour it can work against you!
I know alot of "Forum Warriors" who can change a fight/war or even the thread to go along their way of thinking. Also there are those who should not post at all, Orc A for example, not picking on this guy for any reason in particular, but hell he shouldn't even be a diplomat, if you look at his current track record you will understand why I chose him as a "Worse case scenario".
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Acwron
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 23/03/2006 20:38:23
Originally by: Acwron
Well though it might work on alliances without experience it doesn't work with any of the alliances with a lot of veteran players because the know the forum tactics, spinners etc. The just smile about most postings because they are either misinformed (90% of the normal alliance member posts) or so full of bull**** it's not worth reading trough it.
wtf r u talking about m8 the number one reason you guys came for ASCN back in december was because of eve-o posts:
- 1 ascn official annoucnement about esoteria
- 1 post about the kill loss ratio up north
edit: not saying it was wrong, just that even most experienced alliances get mightly p*ssed about certain type of eve-o posts and that can mean war.
the opening post was about how the forums effect your moral in a negative way. And ingame actions normally weigh higher anyway.
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Wren Cassin
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:44:00 -
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Hello.
For me the forums are like watching the daily world news, or listening the BBC broadcast at midnight. You don't get the whole story or even the truth sometimes. But it ignites your spirit and makes you wonder. This wonder gives you cause to go seeking, in this seeking you may find the truth.
That truth may come in many different forms. I would hope that careful investigation of these "truths" might lead you to boatloads of success, through market trading, territoy take-over, personal PvP success, cohesive group battle tactics, or maybe, just maybe -- personal enjoyment of the roleplaying environment that EvE can become, if you let it.
I'm glad that the forums are here. I aspire to fly out to 0.0 space with my cameras rolling...snagging up bits and pieces of recent battles...and creating film footage of the carnage. On the other hand, I'm more than satisfied to hang out in Oursulaert, handing out snacks to the new people, so full of questions. 
Propoganda or no. Truth or tales. For me the fact is that it makes the people seem more real. My actions seem more important. The EvE universe seem less threatening and more intense, all at the same time.
I hope there are others who share my passion for the subtle things said in forums, that I think are EvE news.
--Wren
 CEO Solar Miners and Construction
 Proud Member of the Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Blydchyld
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
bawk!
Bawk! Brother.
ever the gun for hire eh?
I LIKE ARK!
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.03.23 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
And ingame actions normally weigh higher anyway.
depends
often ingame actions can be "fixed" or "turn critical" after they generate a forum post
- Gob
(my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p) |
ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.03.23 21:09:00 -
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In a game of reputation and morale, propaganda is ammunition.
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.03.23 21:11:00 -
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i dont think propaganda can kill an alliance, it can only fasten it up.
if the alliance members are happy with thweir situation, means can do what they like (kill, npc or mine) then they dont rlly give a **** bout propaganda then when they have alrdy their own doubts.
an original opinion brought by rexthor in less then 3mins ;)
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Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Carth Jared
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Posted - 2006.03.23 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN
In a game of reputation and morale, propaganda is ammunition.
How much did you drink to reach such glorious insight ;P
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Sarion Stormweaver
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Posted - 2006.03.23 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sarion Stormweaver on 23/03/2006 21:15:03
1 Part Firepower + 4 Parts 'quality propaganda' kills an alliance a lot faster then 5 Parts Firepower.
IMHO anyway.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.03.23 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
We.g. if DBp would say that the sky is blue I would check
it out first hand before believing it.
Yeah and that's the whole point... at least you would go and check instead of keeping your head stuck in the sand like the people who pretend that their alliance isn't getting it's ass whupped.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.03.23 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Carth Jared
Originally by: ParMizaN
In a game of reputation and morale, propaganda is ammunition.
How much did you drink to reach such glorious insight ;P
A halfbottle of bleach.
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2006.03.23 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
...nobody wants to be considered the laughing stock of eve.
Ah, 'tis my dream to one day achieve such a distinction!
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Blazde
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:01:00 -
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It was often said that CFS and co were incited to revolt against FA by various posts on these forums especially from CA. If that's true it's a great example of propoganda having a profound effect on ingame events.
I've sometimes wondered if EVE would be better with some officially generated kill stats, or the ladder rankings CCP used to talk about. We'd get a much clearer picuture of who was winning and losing (although the facts would still be open to interpretation). But in real life warfare there are no 'official' kill stats, only those generated in an inaccurate, biased or very costly way, which is exactly what we have in EVE atm and it leaves the door wide open for propoganda to play a huge part in any war. Another aspect of EVE's amazing social realism.
Personally I'd like to see more propoganda, the majority of EVE's wars are never mentioned on this forum.
So perhaps the forum could be enhanced by for example giving some greater prominence to posts made by CEOs/directors or executors of alliances (or some limited number of spokepersons designated by the alliance exectutor), or by splitting it into regions to encourage more discussion of localised wars and politics.
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theblaze
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Montague Zooma
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
...nobody wants to be considered the laughing stock of eve.
Ah, 'tis my dream to one day achieve such a distinction!
I think Ginger Magician already beat you to it, unfortunately.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:11:00 -
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I think the eve-o forums enable communication between alliances other the designated diplomats. Those that have an opinion can post freely (depending on the alliance) and makes the game more interesting. The known forum personalities exist because they entertain us, it's just part of the game.
Propaganda has its place in the game, if an alliance is getting it's ass handed to it in game and out of game, it can take some of the fun out of the game and it may instill doubts in said alliance, that could lead to people leaving that alliance it ends up taking the fun out of the game. What fun is logging in, watching local chat as your outnumbered a 100 to 1 camped into the station for a month straight?
Fear the Ibis of doom. |
Seleene
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
bawk!
I fully support this as the Official MC Statement for this thread.
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Who is the MC? Watch! |
Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:53:00 -
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Jade Constantine did propaganda
I havent seen a decent forum post here for years
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:58:00 -
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Parm i want your babies
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.03.23 22:58:00 -
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They are so important as they are the primary way of building up a reputation which is one of the really cool things about eve.
When you jump into local and someone shouts "omg, Its Shin Ra, you a god", you must be doing something right. Likewise, "omg its BE, wts: wcs bpo" is all reputation. Some people more than others have this down to a fine art.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.03.23 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Jade Constantine did propaganda
I havent seen a decent forum post here for years
yupp. jade constantine, now THAT was a weapon on galnet. the rest is obvious, boring and repeating all the time tbh...
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