People who complain about TIDI make me laugh. They're the same type who probably complain about traffic, not realizing that they, themselves, are a part of said traffic.



Until then, if someone doesn't like fighting under TIDI, don't. Nobody's holding a gun to your head.

People who complain about TIDI make me laugh. They're the same type who probably complain about traffic, not realizing that they, themselves, are a part of said traffic.

CCP have some of (if not the) most powerful servers in the gaming industry. Thousands of people can be on-grid in a single fight, far more than some games can even handle in their entire game world, let alone all together in one place. The TIDI system works reasonably well to accommodate all of them, up until you reach the extreme numbers.

Is TIDI a good system? Compared to what once was, yes, it is. Compare the time prior to TIDI, and compare it now. Fights can be much larger. But inevitably, people come along, whining, bitching, moaning, and complaining about how bad TIDI is. It isn't the best system, but the cost-benefit of its alternatives would make even Blizzard cower in terror.

If people want 4000+ pilot fights to be done without TIDI, they need to wait 5 or 10 years for the raw processing technology necessary to become affordable. Granted, by then, fights will probably be 6000+ people, and the situation will continue, simply because the necessary technology isn't affordable.

Until then, if someone doesn't like fighting under TIDI, don't. Nobody's holding a gun to your head.

There are so many errors in this small post of yours that I don't even know where to begin...

Do I start with the GPU / CPU part? The upgraded servers part? The recoding the game part? The "refusal" on CCP's part part? The rate at which data is processed part?

Every single sentence in your post is wrong, some on multiple levels. Please, for the sake of everyone who works with computers, go learn about computers and programming before you make a post like this again.

Please.

Edit :: Unless you're trolling... That post would make sense if it were a troll. Please, please be a troll...

And at what points did that happen? Compare numbers then, and compare numbers now. TIDI allows for significantly more people to be involved in a fight. As I said, it isn't the perfect system, but it's better than what once was.



Please define "there." I wasn't involved with HED today, no. I have, however, been involved with plenty of TIDI battles (including the battle at 6VDT at the end of the Fountain war).

I was also "there" when the problems we have now at 2500 players would occur at 250, with 500 players bringing the system to the screeching halt that now occurs at the 3000+ mark.

Okay Mr. smart ass. What wrong with my post? Ever hear of the Titan Supercomputer? It's the first hybrid supercomputer that uses GPU/GPUs for the processing power. As of right now it performs at 17.59 petaFLOPS, but can theoretical perform at 27 petaFLOPS. There is only one other supercomputer faster and that is the Tianhe-2. But that costs four times more than the Titan at $390M USD to Titans $97M USD.

Ever hear of Bitcoin mining? What did they use to mine coins with before ASIC chips came out? Oh that's right they used GPUs because they were faster at mining than CPUs. Lets see here a i7-3770K can mine at 5.2 Mhash/s and cost you $330 USD. A ATI Radeon HD 7870 GHz can mine at 460 Mhash/s and cost you from $189-220 USD. Oh look at that the GPU is faster and I saved some cash.

So if CCP upgrade to a CPU/GPU hybrid gameservers, they'll get more bang for their buck. I never said they would have to recode the game, Gameserver != Game. You do know you could change the gameserver language from one language like Python to a different one like Java and the game client would never know the difference. I know crazy right!? The reason why I said I don't see CCP changing is because GPUs aren't has flexible as a CPU when programming for them, plus I don't see them having the backbone to do it.

Oh and one more thing kid. I live and breathe programming. I tutor it at my college, help people on forums, and could program circles around you for months. You're the one that needs to learn about computers and programming before opening up your little mouth.

You do know you could change the gameserver language from one language like Python to a different one like Java

The worst eve online experience I've ever had. 15-20 minutes per remote call. Crazy, crazy amount of dropped calls, the game basically broke down. Spent two hours watching my dread edge 300 meters out of a bubble so I could watch a 45 minute long jump tunnel. God damn this game is bad.

I was there and i would like to know what they use as server for these fight there was 20% tidi even with one side on grid i think in 21st century they should have good enough machine to run at least 3000 ppl with no lag at all maybe they could return some money they get from US and return ti back to game not to their pocets ..

They get more then Half milion Euro per month so they should have a good servers i want to know setup of their server ...
I pay for MMO game and i dont geting it.. so return my money CCP

CCP needs to wake up. 4000 player limit isn't going to work. For the future of eve and the null empires that fight we need to be able to do what we do best. Blow s-h-i-t up.

I don't want excuses or story's of alien invasions.. Nullspace is at war from top to bottom. This isn't the first time we had large battles and won't be last. But for those who are already in HED and can't log in or are stuck forever, isn't acceptable CCP.

I like many others on all sides have $H1T to do. This tidi nonsense is broken as far as I'm concerned.

Fix the tidi CCP Make it work.

EVE is serious spaceship business!

Maybe with the criticism, people could also be a bit more constructive and give some solutions to the problem.

I think they need to consider capping the amount of pilots allowed into a system that is pre-planned for a major battle.

OK, then short of major rewriting of large chunks of eve's codebase, which perhaps isn't possible, then change the objectives of the sov system. If the game is heavily limited in what a single system can handle, then force the colliding fleets to split their forces across multiple systems to accomplish their objectives.

In other words, rather than 3000 capsuleers all piling into one system, split that 3000 across an entire constellation of 6 or 7 systems. Thus: an average 500 a system, maybe 1000 max. The servers can handle that, perhaps even without tidi.

Make it so they have some infrastructure objective to complete in each, roughly simultaneously, or some "state of the war" running count as faction warfare has. Or both. The details don't really matter, just anything that forces the fleets to split their numbers across multiple systems.

Someone above mentioned a road traffic analogy, which is fair enough. Supply is limited, and any extra capacity for a single system will soon be swamped. The difference is that CCP can change the target destination of all the traffic fairly easily, and thus solve everything on the demand side.

Then coalitions would bring 3000 people to each of those 6 or 7 systems.

Maybe with the criticism, people could also be a bit more constructive and give some solutions to the problem. I've fought in large scale battles with CFC and old NC and there is northing worse than clicking on lock target or f1 for weaponry and waiting half an hour for one cycle. Tonights big fights sounded like complete hell for those coming into the system

The only solution I can see is system capacity capage. Allowing 4k players into a system for them to not actually be able to play the game in a free flowing manner is NOT achieving anything remotely worthwhile (lag free is impossible but playable surely isn't!). So what if it statistically breaks records. It does not improve game-play in the slightest and only enhances community rage. So as said why bother ? In a battle such as this, I think they need to consider capping the amount of pilots allowed into a system that is pre-planned for a major battle.

I think the larger alliance would then have to think a lot harder about what fleets / ships they are going to drop in. More planning and tactics and much less blobbage.

If technology is not sufficient enough to handle this sort of gaming environment, then we need other alternatives.

I doubt there are such numbers available. That's 20,000 toons, plus assorted logistics chains behind them.

Even if there were, it's a drastically higher bar to hit before nodes start falling over.

Another solution could a be a type of combat arena. Limited to 1000 pilots (or whatever the node can handle without Tidi). Each side can have as many pilots on standby as they wish but only a set amount from either side can enter the arena at any given time.

Players from each side could be moved in from another node at intervals during the fight to maintain numbers. The fight could last for hours or even days if pilots are in fleet ready to go and willing to keep losing assets.

EG Fight;
Arena size of 1000 km to allow FC's to warp to optimal's or utilize other strategic maneuvers. Beacons could be utilized as drop points for new combatants. They would only be accessible by 'blues' and shielded in a manner similar to a pos to allow new combatants a way of entering the battle without being popped as soon as they are dropped into the system.

Each side has a maximum 500 ships on field
limits, 150 capitals - 200 battleship, battle cruiser - 150 cruiser, frigate.

As the battle progresses destroyed ships are replaced from backup fleets at preset intervals, if you lost 50 capitals 30 battleships or battle cruisers and 100 cruisers and frigates they could be moved from backup fleet to the arena. If you don't want to field another 50 capitals they could be replaced with 50 from any other class but no more than 150 capitals and a maximum of 500 ships could be on field at a time.

Arena fights could be for a predetermined time or until one side says enough, or is unable to field more combatants.

Fc's would need to think carefully about what ships they are fielding and what they have in replacement fleets. It may mean fielding 150 caps 300 cruisers and 50 frigates or 150 caps 200 battleships with the rest being subcap support with a few dictors thrown in.

A 1000km arena means smaller ships like frigates and cruisers are not just stuck on field to be blapped by drone spewing battleships and carriers, there is room to warp around strategically.

*Arena fights would not of course remove "sov grinds" but for mass pre-planned engagements, they could be a solution to waiting for hours to jump to a fight only to sit in 10% tidi for hours on end. Probably not everyone's idea of a good plan but it may be somewhere to start.

pretty sure that you can call this battle decisive enough to say bye bye to half your community ccp.. no point fighting what cant be fought..

pretty sure that you can call this battle decisive enough to say bye bye to half your community ccp.. no point fighting what cant be fought..