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Silent Nightingale
Orders Academy SOLAR WING
0
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Posted - 2014.01.19 23:51:00 -
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Dear CCP, Eve Online is a game which is -¦ MMORPG, the main advantage of which is declared to be the chance of taking part in large-scale battles with thousands of ships fighting in one system. Not long ago there was a battle in HED-GP and lots of pilots have prepared their ships, looking forward to have much fun that day. That battle was supposed to be a culmination of a long war between the leading claim alliances. But instead of that they had to face terrible lags and infernal TD because of your inability to provide the stable functioning of your servers. Both sides GÇô those who killed and those who lost ships there are highly disappointed with what was going on and what they have got. It was not a fair battle - everything that happened there had nothing to do with game principles and mechanics, and it has no logical explanation. Moreover, those pilots who had lost expensive ships in lags due to the technical problems on your side havenGÇÖt received any reimbursement and it is demonstration of your injustice and total negligence towards common players. You provided reimbursement in similar cases but now you provide us with nothing else but excuses, which is obviously not enough. We asked to fix lags, but you either did nothing or suggested some partial solution which didnGÇÖt fix the problem in general. We were patient and we used to put up with it, but it was the last straw that broke the camelGÇÖs back. We are a group of people who cares for this game. A small group, but as soon as this message is posted on all eve-forums in all languages that we speak you will see how many people will be eager to join us. And we want you to start serious work on the technical problems you have now immediately. We want you to inform all the players about the changes and modifications that you are going to introduce in the nearest future to fix the lags and we need to know the time when it they will be embodied. Besides we demand reimbursement for all the ships killed in that period of time as a result of the system failures. And we want you to provide pilots with new ships or isks if it happens again. If a ship was lost not because of a pilotGÇÖs mistake or poor pvp skill, but as a result of a technical problem on your side - it is your fault and you must recompense for it. We spent our time, isks and efforts in game to gain those ships in an honest and lawful way and no one will put up with the fact of losing them because of game defects. If this message will have no effect on you and you ignore our words as you used to do before in 3 days we will do the following:
1)We will deactivate most of our accounts and stop buying plexes from the official site. Some of us have already got rid of their accounts and is just a beginning - there will be much more and soon. All secondary carebear or cyno accounts that are not really important for us to play the game will be frozen until the matter is settled. We will ask all our friends and accomplices to do the same. 2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas. 3)We will ask talented people, who have played a lot and know this game well to write a number of surveys and to make a number of video clips in different languages showing what the liner side of the game GÇô the td, the lags, the technical imperfection of Eve Online and the proves of your unfair and careless attitude towards common players. These videos and surveys will be posted on every single game forum, under every your commercial to let the new players know what they will really get instead of fun that they see on your trailers. We will let them understand that for you all the players are not more than a source of income and if they face problems you will do nothing but apologize. Bad fame spreads quickly, but it will take years to get rid of it. And most people prefer to trust real gamers not trailers. If they see what really happens in multi-player battles, the GÇ£chess-shooterGÇ¥, the unjust victories covered by developers you can be sure they will give up the idea of playing Eve. The number of new players will fall, a number of old pilots will leave and it will affect you income and make you pay attention to these problems. We will wait for 3 days to see your first steps and your willingness to start a constructive dialogue with the playersGÇÖ community. If you start work and make up for the unjust losses we are not going to escalate the conflict. But if not, you will leave us no choice and we canGÇÖt see any other way of drawing your attention. We have little to lose now, cause we have lost any interest to play this game. Dear pilots If you care for what happens, if you are fed up with the lags, show your solidarity by giving likes to the topic and adding your comments and proposals. If you are ready to help us in any way tell us what you can do. Let the developers see that it is not a couple of whinning pilots but the opinion of the majority. They wonGÇÖt be able to ignore it. We must do something to get what we deserve GÇô fun and fair play. Please, repost this text to your game forums and give a link to this topic. |
fukier
1141
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Posted - 2014.01.19 23:57:00 -
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huh? At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4768
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Posted - 2014.01.19 23:59:00 -
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We already have a thread for this, several in fact. Why make yet another? . |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
200
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Posted - 2014.01.19 23:59:00 -
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That's really bad readable.
Correct your paragraphs.
Thanks! Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
200
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:00:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:We already have a thread for this, several in fact. Why make yet another? Because it's the concentrated effort of the same person?
Ooooor the nullbears are slowly taking over the forums ......................... Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
Silent Nightingale
Orders Academy SOLAR WING
7
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:14:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:That's really bad readable.
Correct your paragraphs.
Thanks!
I tried, but for some reason I can't, Sorry if there are misprints or mistakes, English is a foreign language for me. |
Qweasdy
Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War
59
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:16:00 -
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Sooooo... umad bro? |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
200
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:19:00 -
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Silent Nightingale wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:That's really bad readable.
Correct your paragraphs.
Thanks! I tried, but for some reason I can't, Sorry if there are misprints or mistakes, English is a foreign language for me. Did you hit the character limit?
That would explain why you can't press ENTER, if that's what you meant.
It might not even hurt to shorten it a bit ... XD Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
657
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:19:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:We already have a thread for this, several in fact. Why make yet another?
That's an easy question to answer. These people think that they have something "special" to say. They think what they have to say is so vastly more important than anything the other hundreds of people that have already weighed in on this have to say.
Their input, while certainly valuable, is certainly NOT valuable enough for yet another thread about the same damn thing.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
200
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:21:00 -
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The few lines I've glanced over tell me that you're trying to blackmail CCP.
Quote:3)We will ask talented people, who have played a lot and know this game well to write a number of surveys and to make a number of video clips in different languages showing what the liner side of the game GÇô the td, the lags, the technical imperfection of Eve Online and the proves of your unfair and careless attitude towards common players. These videos and surveys will be posted on every single game forum, under every your commercial to let the new players know what they will really get instead of fun that they see on your trailers.
That will work. Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
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Regam Voss
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
15
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:24:00 -
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TLDR RUS/CFC tried to pile to many people in system, didnt work, now they gonna quit. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
200
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:24:00 -
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Quote:2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas. That'll just get you banned. Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
25
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:25:00 -
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TL:DR
Our FC's tried the impossible and rather than take blame, they shift blame to CCP and cry
Instead they could learn from their mistakes and come out stronger, but that won't happen |
Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
268
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:26:00 -
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Hahahaha
TL;DR you're shutting down your RMT empire because of lag? |
Auranin Enat
The 2nd Foundation SOLAR WING
1
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:27:00 -
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Ess Pee Wye
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:28:00 -
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How are you going to send fleets to lag out Jita/Amarr/Dodixie if you are all unsubbed???????? |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
200
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:33:00 -
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Ess Pee Wye wrote:How are you going to send fleets to lag out Jita/Amarr/Dodixie if you are all unsubbed???????? On the upside to this ... the permabans make it unnecessary to unsub. :) Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
1038
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:38:00 -
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Silent Nightingale wrote: Eve Online is a game which is -¦ MMORPG, the main advantage of which is declared to be the chance of taking part in large-scale battles with thousands of ships fighting in one system.
Large fleet battle is only a part of EVE, mostly a marketing tool used by CCP in the past years, but not the most important. Face it, the majority of EVE players are not involved and not even intrested in such gameplay.
You'd be better to realize as soon as possible as what is "special" for you could not be so important for the rest of playerbase. In repsect of this insisting with this bully attitude "you have to do what we ask or we ruin this and that" not only make you look silly but also don't help in fixing problems.
Only help in marignalize you and increasing the idea (IMO a wrong idea) that a large part of EVE community already have about null sec: a place for crybabies, bug abusers and morons.
Beside, creating lag on purpose, as in your threats, I think is also a TOS violation.
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Raylucy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:39:00 -
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Silent Nightingale wrote:1)We will deactivate most of our accounts and stop buying plexes from the official site. Some of us have already got rid of their accounts and is just a beginning - there will be much more and soon. All secondary carebear or cyno accounts that are not really important for us to play the game will be frozen until the matter is settled. We will ask all our friends and accomplices to do the same.
2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.
firstly, I shall say that threats are not really the way to go, but if that what floats your boat then so be it.
jita meets 10% tidi every weekend and almost every working day at certain times throughout the day, good luck fitting all your alts and whoever follows you in there when you have to deal with the jump in queues and doing that to amarr too? im pretty sure the suicide brigades will love that thus creating more high sec content, but word of that will spread eventually and players will just wait you out.
also in addition, it wasn't ccp's fault that you and the rest of the cfc decided to try to out blob what was already in that system even with 10% tidi. it was you and those that fly with you aka lemmings. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1578
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:49:00 -
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Why should people in Highsec/Losec give two fucks about Nullsec?
Oh wait, we don't! "I couldn't go through a single meeting with them without hearing them chop lines on the Skype call" says former CSM chairman The Mittani, who wishes to remain anonymous. -á |
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Silent Nightingale
Orders Academy SOLAR WING
13
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:01:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Why should people in Highsec/Losec give two fucks about Nullsec?
Oh wait, we don't! http://i.imgur.com/c9QTyPy.jpg "It is good the problem is not on our side, heh?" |
Qsadish
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:05:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:bug abusers
I see you've heard of PL |
Silent Nightingale
Orders Academy SOLAR WING
13
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:11:00 -
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This topic was created to cooperate people, who are ready to do something to attract all the possible attention to the problems I have mentioned. If it is a success - we all will have a better Eve, if it doesn't work - at least it was worth trying. No one will violate the rules, If coming to Jita at the same time is against EULA - we will find a legal way. If you agree that lags are a problem and CCP's refusal to recompense ships is unjust - all you need to do is to put a like here . If you are ready to do more, suggest what can be done. We have 3 days to collect people and to decide what to do. Or, perhaps we won't need to do anything and CCP will hear us. Add your voice to make us sound louder. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi Unmentionables
2937
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:13:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
As a serious note, the lag you get from 3k pilots in a system is a physical hardware limitation issue which is extremely difficult and expensive to overcome. IT isnt CCP's fault that NS people are a bunch of cap sitting blobbers who have long forgotten what a fun fight looks like. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
mad gnu
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:33:00 -
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Sarah Nalelmir
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:42:00 -
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Silent Nightingale wrote:Dear CCP,
Eve Online is a game which is -¦ MMORPG, the main advantage of which is declared to be the chance of taking part in large-scale battles with thousands of ships fighting in one system. Not long ago there was a battle in HED-GP and lots of pilots have prepared their ships, looking forward to have much fun that day. That battle was supposed to be a culmination of a long war between the leading claim alliances. But instead of that they had to face terrible lags and infernal TD because of your inability to provide the stable functioning of your servers. Both sides GÇô those who killed and those who lost ships there are highly disappointed with what was going on and what they have got. It was not a fair battle - everything that happened there had nothing to do with game principles and mechanics, and it has no logical explanation. Moreover, those pilots who had lost expensive ships in lags due to the technical problems on your side havenGÇÖt received any reimbursement and it is demonstration of your injustice and total negligence towards common players. You provided reimbursement in similar cases but now you provide us with nothing else but excuses, which is obviously not enough. We asked to fix lags, but you either did nothing or suggested some partial solution which didnGÇÖt fix the problem in general. We were patient and we used to put up with it, but it was the last straw that broke the camelGÇÖs back. We are a group of people who cares for this game. A small group, but as soon as this message is posted on all eve-forums in all languages that we speak you will see how many people will be eager to join us. And we want you to start serious work on the technical problems you have now immediately. We want you to inform all the players about the changes and modifications that you are going to introduce in the nearest future to fix the lags and we need to know the time when it they will be embodied. Besides we demand reimbursement for all the ships killed in that period of time as a result of the system failures. And we want you to provide pilots with new ships or isks if it happens again. If a ship was lost not because of a pilotGÇÖs mistake or poor pvp skill, but as a result of a technical problem on your side - it is your fault and you must recompense for it. We spent our time, isks and efforts in game to gain those ships in an honest and lawful way and no one will put up with the fact of losing them because of game defects. If this message will have no effect on you and you ignore our words as you used to do before in 3 days we will do the following:
1)We will deactivate most of our accounts and stop buying plexes from the official site. Some of us have already got rid of their accounts and is just a beginning - there will be much more and soon. All secondary carebear or cyno accounts that are not really important for us to play the game will be frozen until the matter is settled. We will ask all our friends and accomplices to do the same.
2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.
3)We will ask talented people, who have played a lot and know this game well to write a number of surveys and to make a number of video clips in different languages showing what the liner side of the game GÇô the td, the lags, the technical imperfection of Eve Online and the proves of your unfair and careless attitude towards common players. These videos and surveys will be posted on every single game forum, under every your commercial to let the new players know what they will really get instead of fun that they see on your trailers. We will let them understand that for you all the players are not more than a source of income and if they face problems you will do nothing but apologize. Bad fame spreads quickly, but it will take years to get rid of it. And most people prefer to trust real gamers not trailers. If they see what really happens in multi-player battles, the GÇ£chess-shooterGÇ¥, the unjust victories covered by developers you can be sure they will give up the idea of playing Eve.
The number of new players will fall, a number of old pilots will leave and it will affect you income and make you pay attention to these problems. We will wait for 3 days to see your first steps and your willingness to start a constructive dialogue with the playersGÇÖ community. If you start work and make up for the unjust losses we are not going to escalate the conflict. But if not, you will leave us no choice and we canGÇÖt see any other way of drawing your attention. We have little to lose now, cause we have lost any interest to play this game.
Dear pilots If you care for what happens, if you are fed up with the lags, show your solidarity by giving likes to the topic and adding your comments and proposals. If you are ready to help us in any way tell us what you can do. Let the developers see that it is not a couple of whinning pilots but the opinion of the majority. They wonGÇÖt be able to ignore it. We must do something to get what we deserve GÇô fun and fair play. Please, repost this text to your game forums and give a link to this topic.
Who ground up your parents an turned them into chilli ? :S
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:49:00 -
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Regam Voss wrote:TLDR RUS/CFC tried to pile to many people in system, didnt work, now they gonna quit.
Exactly. N3/PL had about 900 in system, they left room for CFC and pets to come in.
CFC dumped 1800 in system, followed by another 1000 all at the same time.
We all know goon means stupid person, but really?
CFC is the one that caused their own problem.
How many dreads did you lose, ~350?
We love goon tears. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3411
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:53:00 -
[28] - Quote
IB4L
I'm pretty sure threatening and/or organizing groups to deal massive lag hits to Amarr or Dodixie, etc, constitutes willful disruption of the game and is grounds to lock this thread.
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Sarah Nahrnid
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
21
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:55:00 -
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Cry harder. You jumped in knowing what was there and how much lag was there.
it was your foolish decision to light a cyno at zero to our fleet of 50+ titans, 400+ archons and numerous supers.
Again, you did that to yourself. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:56:00 -
[30] - Quote
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:IB4L
I'm pretty sure threatening and/or organizing groups to deal massive lag hits to Amarr or Dodixie, etc, constitutes willful disruption of the game and is grounds to lock this thread.
Whoohooo, in before lock also.
More goon tears please. |
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Sarah Nahrnid
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
22
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:57:00 -
[31] - Quote
Arsine Mayhem wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:IB4L
I'm pretty sure threatening and/or organizing groups to deal massive lag hits to Amarr or Dodixie, etc, constitutes willful disruption of the game and is grounds to lock this thread.
Whoohooo, in before lock also. More goon tears please.
My only regret is I have only one like to give |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1582
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:58:00 -
[32] - Quote
Silent Nightingale wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Why should people in Highsec/Losec give two fucks about Nullsec?
Oh wait, we don't! http://i.imgur.com/c9QTyPy.jpg "It is good the problem is not on our side, heh?" This pretty much sums up how our little "situation" really is... "I couldn't go through a single meeting with them without hearing them chop lines on the Skype call" says former CSM chairman The Mittani, who wishes to remain anonymous. -á |
KwaLevu
PH0ENIX COMPANY Cult of War
6
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:05:00 -
[33] - Quote
inb4 lock
wtb barrel for tears my bucket not big enough |
gr ant
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
29
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:06:00 -
[34] - Quote
I got a strat that will work against PL/n3. We will get 2300+ blues into system, and then try to jump in 600 caps in ALL AT ONCE, we don' think there will be an issue, it's only 10% tidi and the node is working near 100% cpu,
WHAT COULD GO WRONG?
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Roboticus420
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
9
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:06:00 -
[35] - Quote
Its all good and well asking for ccp to do their job and improve a game we play, aka re-write code. This would benifit everyone, although ccp have earned more than enough to fund this development them selves, I would not doubt that alot of players would donate money to improve the game, to chivey things along. Now we all want tidi/lagg improved, however Hed-GP was noob mistakes made on Rus/cfc part. The lack of experience was no excuse for noob mistakes like 1) Cynoing caps into same grid that was already F**ked. Cyno them off grid, allow them to load,dont welp fleet at least initially. 2) Also its obvious, its simple to know that eve's ability does not stretch as far as we would like so why make another stupid decision and bring 1.5K subcaps into system and then try and drop dreads there after. Yes we know rus/cfc significantly outnumber N3/PL but skill/structure and strategy adaption wins us many a fight, and will continue to do so.
If Rus/cfc had dropped dreads in 1st maxing out system, a likelyhood with ccp reinforcing the node it would have held,and subcaps would have been able to eventually multiple in system there after. cfc the coalition with the same tactics for many a year although having lack of cap experience,should have known when looking at these numbers whos set up in system first is likely to win. There only strategy of blobbing system till the sun don't shine is based upon this concept. So that makes rus/cfcs crying and tears all that more fabulious since they could have mitigated their failure by taking the simple steps above, but didn't.
Rus start thinking logically,head west do your self a favour and tale cfcs renting fields that are already set up for you to take. They cannot do anything to stop you,cfc cannot fight successfully on multiple fronts. Or carry on padding my KBs ;) |
Lucas Rutherford
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:12:00 -
[36] - Quote
I get that you (CFC/RUS) are upset at the loss of so many dreads, I honestly get that. What I don't understand is the misplaced anger at CCP. I don't believe I've ever posted on these forums other than to buy alts, but I felt this needed to be said.
The loss of 300 dreads was the fault of you (CFC/RUS) and you alone. CCP can continue (and I do mean continue) to increase the capacity per node, but that isn't going to change anything. The meta from CFC has always been to blob. They've prided themselves on being the largest coalition out there. Unfortunately that meta comes with the lag that you so much hate and blame for your loss. If CCP found a way to fit 5000 people into a single system, CFC would put 4000 in there. If CCP found a way to put 10,000 in a single system, CFC would put 9000 in it. You can't continually push the limits of the game and not expect lag.
Ultimately the reason those dreads were lost was the brilliant idea of putting nearly 2000 subcaps by your coalition before you jumped them in. This lesson has been learned many times before by both CFC and PL over the years. This is not the first welp due to lag on jump in. The ships were not reimbursed by CCP then, and they should not be reimbursed now. The only reason those dreads were jumped in was to keep RUSRUS from folding due to morale. Your FCs knew better and yet still made the call to jump them in. Therefore you should be demanding reimbursement of your ships from your alliance and/or coalition.
N3/PL have found a counter to blobbing and that is superior ships. It is not unfair that you can't beat a trillion ISK worth of ships with a few billion. If you want to win in cap warfare blobbing is no longer the answer. You will have to beat caps with caps. Those 2000 subcaps were worthless and were the main reason you lost the battle.
In the end it was just one battle. It was not the end of the war. CFC/RUS have ways to counter (i.e. don't lose all your towers in a system). Put up a cyno jammer and blob to your heart's content. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8664
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:14:00 -
[37] - Quote
Arsine Mayhem wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:IB4L
I'm pretty sure threatening and/or organizing groups to deal massive lag hits to Amarr or Dodixie, etc, constitutes willful disruption of the game and is grounds to lock this thread.
Whoohooo, in before lock also. More goon tears please. Solar is goons now? Christ. My EVE Videos |
Ramatak
sleep Deprivation INC. LLC Brothers of Tangra
6
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:20:00 -
[38] - Quote
Ok so let me get this right. N3 used the same tactic in HED that CFC used in 6vdt by getting into system first and the outcome was the same meaning that N3 held the most important tactical advantage. You guys knew the importance of this and now that your enemy used it and whooped you with it. Now you are complaining about it and demanding a refund of all lost Dreads? The only thing I can say is..........WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oops one more thing Can I have your stuff. |
Sarah Nahrnid
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
22
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:24:00 -
[39] - Quote
Ramatak wrote:Ok so let me get this right. N3 used the same tactic in HED that CFC used in 6vdt by getting into system first and the outcome was the same meaning that N3 held the most important tactical advantage. You guys knew the importance of this and now that your enemy used it and whooped you with it. Now you are complaining about it and demanding a refund of all lost Dreads? The only thing I can say is..........WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oops one more thing Can I have your stuff.
Couldn't have said it better myself! |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:28:00 -
[40] - Quote
Roboticus420 wrote:Its all good and well asking for ccp to do their job and improve a game we play, aka re-write code. This would benifit everyone, although ccp have earned more than enough to fund this development them selves, I would not doubt that alot of players would donate money to improve the game, to chivey things along. Now we all want tidi/lagg improved, however Hed-GP was noob mistakes made on Rus/cfc part. The lack of experience was no excuse for noob mistakes like 1) Cynoing caps into same grid that was already F**ked. Cyno them off grid, allow them to load,dont welp fleet at least initially. 2) Also its obvious, its simple to know that eve's ability does not stretch as far as we would like currently, so why make another stupid decision and bring 1.5-2+K subcaps into system and then try and drop dreads there after. Yes we know rus/cfc significantly outnumber N3/PL, but skill/structure and strategy adaption wins us many a fight as proven, and will continue to do so. So throw your toys out the pram all you like but CFCs only strategy of having the biggest blob does not always win.
If Rus/cfc had dropped dreads 1st maxing out system, better still off grid, a likelyhood with ccp reinforcing the node it would have held,and subcaps would have been able to eventually multiply in system there after. CFC the coalition with the same tactics for many a year although having lack of cap experience,should have known when looking at these numbers whom ever is set up in system first is likely to win. Their only strategy of blobbing system till the sun don't shine is based upon this concept. So that makes rus/cfcs crying and tears all that more fabulious since they could have mitigated their failure by taking the simple steps above, but didn't.
Rus start thinking logically,head west do your self a favour and take cfcs renting fields that are already set up for you to take. They cannot do anything to stop you,cfc cannot fight successfully on multiple fronts. You think they will embrace you as a brother after completition of war, if so who you kidding, as always you will be thrown under the bus by them, your nothing but a meatshield/ a pet of cfcs currently, and I know from forums/chatter alot of guys in Rus alliances are not pleased with how things are going, and are still not pleased about being cfc pets/ solar being the nail that sticks out, as they under Macteps influence vendetta against those who saw fit to show them the error of their ways, by getting upturned. Or carry on padding our KBs ;)
The multitude of sub caps and dreads weren't there to have a fight, they were hoping to bring down the server and then try to mop up the wrecking-ball as they logged back in and were all split up and scattered across half the system.
I personally think that the server not failing is a very good step in the right direction. There definitely needs to be something done about the lag experienced, but at least we know the "crash server" strategy for avoiding a defeat is gone (or at least harder to pull off) |
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Pea Nutz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:29:00 -
[41] - Quote
"Tears make cookies taste better...... I LIKE COOKIES !" |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:30:00 -
[42] - Quote
Ramatak wrote:Ok so let me get this right. N3 used the same tactic in HED that CFC used in 6vdt by getting into system first and the outcome was the same meaning that N3 held the most important tactical advantage. You guys knew the importance of this and now that your enemy used it and whooped you with it. Now you are complaining about it and demanding a refund of all lost Dreads? The only thing I can say is..........WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oops one more thing Can I have your stuff.
Yea, and I've never seen tears like this from anyone else.
I just love goon tears. |
Roboticus420
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
12
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:33:00 -
[43] - Quote
Arsine Mayhem wrote:Roboticus420 wrote:Its all good and well asking for ccp to do their job and improve a game we play, aka re-write code. This would benifit everyone, although ccp have earned more than enough to fund this development them selves, I would not doubt that alot of players would donate money to improve the game, to chivey things along. Now we all want tidi/lagg improved, however Hed-GP was noob mistakes made on Rus/cfc part. The lack of experience was no excuse for noob mistakes like 1) Cynoing caps into same grid that was already F**ked. Cyno them off grid, allow them to load,dont welp fleet at least initially. 2) Also its obvious, its simple to know that eve's ability does not stretch as far as we would like currently, so why make another stupid decision and bring 1.5-2+K subcaps into system and then try and drop dreads there after. Yes we know rus/cfc significantly outnumber N3/PL, but skill/structure and strategy adaption wins us many a fight as proven, and will continue to do so. So throw your toys out the pram all you like but CFCs only strategy of having the biggest blob does not always win.
If Rus/cfc had dropped dreads 1st maxing out system, better still off grid, a likelyhood with ccp reinforcing the node it would have held,and subcaps would have been able to eventually multiply in system there after. CFC the coalition with the same tactics for many a year although having lack of cap experience,should have known when looking at these numbers whom ever is set up in system first is likely to win. Their only strategy of blobbing system till the sun don't shine is based upon this concept. So that makes rus/cfcs crying and tears all that more fabulious since they could have mitigated their failure by taking the simple steps above, but didn't.
Rus start thinking logically,head west do your self a favour and take cfcs renting fields that are already set up for you to take. They cannot do anything to stop you,cfc cannot fight successfully on multiple fronts. You think they will embrace you as a brother after completition of war, if so who you kidding, as always you will be thrown under the bus by them, your nothing but a meatshield/ a pet of cfcs currently, and I know from forums/chatter alot of guys in Rus alliances are not pleased with how things are going, and are still not pleased about being cfc pets/ solar being the nail that sticks out, as they under Macteps influence vendetta against those who saw fit to show them the error of their ways, by getting upturned. Or carry on padding our KBs ;) The multitude of sub caps and dreads weren't there to have a fight, they were hoping to bring down the server and then try to mop up the wrecking-ball as they logged back in and were all split up and scattered across half the system. I personally think that the server not failing is a very good step in the right direction. There definitely needs to be something done about the lag experienced, but at least we know the "crash server" strategy for avoiding a defeat is gone (or at least harder to pull off)
If thats the case, underhanded tactic of crashing node, then rus/cfc can go jump off a cliff. This would not suprise me for cfc, being the worthless bunch they are, but Rus enjoy fights,they arn't so different from N3/PL, or have they been influenced that much by cfc propaganda that they don't know their left and right any more o.O |
Varest
High Flyers The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:33:00 -
[44] - Quote
Let's make this really simple and you can argue about it with yourselves if you deem it necessary....
It was you who jumped in aaaaaaaaaallll those Domi's to kill the Cyno Inhibitors and lagged the node, good job. Then, after creating Soul Crushing Lag, you tried to jump in aaaaaaaallll those Dreads and now ***** that you lost them without being able to fire a shot. How long have you been playing this game? How well do you know the game mechanics? Obviously you ignored the little red flag that went up when your domi's were reporting such horrible lag to you before jumping the Dreads in. Sorry about that. Just die with grace and honor. Stop proving to the rest of us that you're highschoolers with no life. |
nonamed kaldYr
RED Logistics Union Red Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:43:00 -
[45] - Quote
-P-ä-+-å-+-¦-+-î-+-+ -+-¦-Å-¦-+-Å-Ä, -ç-é-+ -+-¦ -¦-ü-¦-à -+-+-+-à -¦-¦-¦-¦-â-+-é-¦-à -+-+-¦-+-+-ü-¦-¦ -+-Ç-+-+-ü-é-¦-+-+-¦-+-¦-+-¦. -ª-ª-ƒ! -º-+-+-+-é-¦ -ü-¦-+-¦ -+-¦-¦-+-¦-Ç-+-+. |
Kuosu
PH0ENIX COMPANY Cult of War
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:48:00 -
[46] - Quote
I firmly believe: if the entirety of CFC was to deactivate and biomass the rest of the EVE universe would undoubtedly benefit and grow.
Please by all means don't hesitate.
I hope, based solely upon principle, rus rus pushes your **** in and out and in and out and in and out and in and out
She's playin' all night And the music's all Right Rus Rus got a squeeze box MItten's will never sleep at night!
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QproQ
Monolithic Juggernaut
6
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:00:00 -
[47] - Quote
10+ years of laggy fleet fights. 10+ years of whining on the forums. 10+ years of idle threats.
If you asked any Eve player with a modicum of sense what would happen when 4000 people entered a system, they would've told you what was going to happen.
You did it anyway.
And *GASP* their was epic TIDI and lag.
I mean, really? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8665
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:06:00 -
[48] - Quote
The way the game mechanics are set up it doesn't make sense not to do it. It's not our fault the tactic that works also happens to crash the node or result in problems like this. My EVE Videos |
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
38
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:14:00 -
[49] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Why should people in Highsec/Losec give two fucks about Nullsec?
Oh wait, we don't!
Because nullsec is what drives a lot of PVP game development. |
Baron vonSteubing
W-space industries Greywinged Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:26:00 -
[50] - Quote
+5. Dear CCP, stop doing stupid mobile structures and start to work with important things!!! |
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
114
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:30:00 -
[51] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:Can I have your stuff?
As a serious note, the lag you get from 3k pilots in a system is a physical hardware limitation issue which is extremely difficult and expensive to overcome. IT isnt CCP's fault that NS people are a bunch of cap sitting blobbers who have long forgotten what a fun fight looks like. These kinds of fights happen relatively infrequently and most individual line members see one once a month. In between there are plenty of "fun fights".
Your statement could likewise apply to temp bluing half of W-space for an eviction and rage rolling for weeks to seed 50 dreads. Them dirty blobbers.
It's not our fault CCP maintains a system that makes us call all friends and all-in every fight when we squabble over space farms. |
Hell Ball
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:32:00 -
[52] - Quote
Silent Nightingale wrote:Dear CCP,
Eve Online is a game which is -¦ MMORPG, the main advantage of which is declared to be the chance of taking part in large-scale battles with thousands of ships fighting in one system. Not long ago there was a battle in HED-GP and lots of pilots have prepared their ships, looking forward to have much fun that day. That battle was supposed to be a culmination of a long war between the leading claim alliances. But instead of that they had to face terrible lags and infernal TD because of your inability to provide the stable functioning of your servers. Both sides GÇô those who killed and those who lost ships there are highly disappointed with what was going on and what they have got. It was not a fair battle - everything that happened there had nothing to do with game principles and mechanics, and it has no logical explanation. Moreover, those pilots who had lost expensive ships in lags due to the technical problems on your side havenGÇÖt received any reimbursement and it is demonstration of your injustice and total negligence towards common players. You provided reimbursement in similar cases but now you provide us with nothing else but excuses, which is obviously not enough. We asked to fix lags, but you either did nothing or suggested some partial solution which didnGÇÖt fix the problem in general. We were patient and we used to put up with it, but it was the last straw that broke the camelGÇÖs back. We are a group of people who cares for this game. A small group, but as soon as this message is posted on all eve-forums in all languages that we speak you will see how many people will be eager to join us. And we want you to start serious work on the technical problems you have now immediately. We want you to inform all the players about the changes and modifications that you are going to introduce in the nearest future to fix the lags and we need to know the time when it they will be embodied. Besides we demand reimbursement for all the ships killed in that period of time as a result of the system failures. And we want you to provide pilots with new ships or isks if it happens again. If a ship was lost not because of a pilotGÇÖs mistake or poor pvp skill, but as a result of a technical problem on your side - it is your fault and you must recompense for it. We spent our time, isks and efforts in game to gain those ships in an honest and lawful way and no one will put up with the fact of losing them because of game defects. If this message will have no effect on you and you ignore our words as you used to do before in 3 days we will do the following:
1)We will deactivate most of our accounts and stop buying plexes from the official site. Some of us have already got rid of their accounts and is just a beginning - there will be much more and soon. All secondary carebear or cyno accounts that are not really important for us to play the game will be frozen until the matter is settled. We will ask all our friends and accomplices to do the same.
2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.
3)We will ask talented people, who have played a lot and know this game well to write a number of surveys and to make a number of video clips in different languages showing what the liner side of the game GÇô the td, the lags, the technical imperfection of Eve Online and the proves of your unfair and careless attitude towards common players. These videos and surveys will be posted on every single game forum, under every your commercial to let the new players know what they will really get instead of fun that they see on your trailers. We will let them understand that for you all the players are not more than a source of income and if they face problems you will do nothing but apologize. Bad fame spreads quickly, but it will take years to get rid of it. And most people prefer to trust real gamers not trailers. If they see what really happens in multi-player battles, the GÇ£chess-shooterGÇ¥, the unjust victories covered by developers you can be sure they will give up the idea of playing Eve.
The number of new players will fall, a number of old pilots will leave and it will affect you income and make you pay attention to these problems. We will wait for 3 days to see your first steps and your willingness to start a constructive dialogue with the playersGÇÖ community. If you start work and make up for the unjust losses we are not going to escalate the conflict. But if not, you will leave us no choice and we canGÇÖt see any other way of drawing your attention. We have little to lose now, cause we have lost any interest to play this game.
Dear pilots If you care for what happens, if you are fed up with the lags, show your solidarity by giving likes to the topic and adding your comments and proposals. If you are ready to help us in any way tell us what you can do. Let the developers see that it is not a couple of whinning pilots but the opinion of the majority. They wonGÇÖt be able to ignore it. We must do something to get what we deserve GÇô fun and fair play. Please, repost this text to your game forums and give a link to this topic. Your tears are so much. I too cyno my 300 dreads on the same grid with *everthing else is* and think nothing will go wrong |
Erwingur
PH0ENIX COMPANY Cult of War
2
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:41:00 -
[53] - Quote
I feel your pain ! I lost a ceptor today and now my efficiency is all messed up..... GOSH ! |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
114
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:47:00 -
[54] - Quote
Ramatak wrote:Ok so let me get this right. N3 used the same tactic in HED that CFC used in 6vdt by getting into system first and the outcome was the same meaning that N3 held the most important tactical advantage. You guys knew the importance of this and now that your enemy used it and whooped you with it. Now you are complaining about it and demanding a refund of all lost Dreads? The only thing I can say is..........WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oops one more thing Can I have your stuff. Man, I must be getting old or something. I don't remember seeing SOLAR in 6VDT.
As far as I know, the CFC dreads have already been refunded (by the respective alliances). There's a terms of service clause that says anything involving soul crushing lag fights is not reimbursable by CCP. You jump in on your own risk. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
202
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:54:00 -
[55] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:The way the game mechanics are set up it doesn't make sense not to do it. It's not our fault the tactic that works also happens to crash the node or result in problems like this. It's not MY fault the knife is sharp and killed him. I just rammed it right into him! Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
823
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:01:00 -
[56] - Quote
OP - Transfer me a some sov and I'll start to care.
Oh wait... No I won't.
It is funny how the spazos that wont let anyone else even get a start in null sec now expect everyone feel sympathy for them.
Maybe 1/2 the null sec players quitting Eve is exactly what Eve needs.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
202
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:06:00 -
[57] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:OP - Transfer me a some sov and I'll start to care. Oh wait... No I won't. It is funny how the spazos that wont let anyone else even get a start in null sec now expect everyone feel sympathy for them. Maybe 1/2 the null sec players quitting Eve is exactly what Eve needs. I'd prefer to have "spazos" (what?) leave the game who believe that individuals stand for the whole alliance ... or even only half of it. Or a quarter.
I bet it's less than 1000 people who actually whine about this. Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
824
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:37:00 -
[58] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:OP - Transfer me a some sov and I'll start to care. Oh wait... No I won't. It is funny how the spazos that wont let anyone else even get a start in null sec now expect everyone feel sympathy for them. Maybe 1/2 the null sec players quitting Eve is exactly what Eve needs. I'd prefer to have "spazos" (what?) leave the game who believe that individuals stand for the whole alliance ... or even only half of it. Or a quarter. I bet it's less than 1000 people who actually whine about this.
Spazo = ******. (What you must feel like having not been able to work it out yourself)
When you post on the eve forums - you represent your corp/alliance.
Not 1% of it. Not 1/4 of it. All of it.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4152
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:01:00 -
[59] - Quote
Nullsec blobbers are threatening to leave the game?
Oh noez. Who will rage in the forums? |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
417
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:11:00 -
[60] - Quote
QproQ wrote:10+ years of laggy fleet fights. 10+ years of whining on the forums. 10+ years of idle threats.
If you asked any Eve player with a modicum of sense what would happen when 4000 people entered a system, they would've told you what was going to happen.
You did it anyway.
And *GASP* their was epic TIDI and lag.
I mean, really?
Huge fight over broken sov system > Massive lag or server crash > Forums are flooded with hate against CCP
Rinse and repeat for every. Single. Blob. Since. 2004.
It's like repeatedly hitting yourself in the face with a hammer for 10 years and complaining that it hurts. Just stop doing it until someone replaces the hammer with something that doesn't hurt, like a kitten. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
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Coby Ascent
The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET
15
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:18:00 -
[61] - Quote
+ Topic starter is right. |
Fr3akwave
Space Road Truckers.
19
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:38:00 -
[62] - Quote
For reimbursement requests go to customer service, posting them on the forum wont work |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
315
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:42:00 -
[63] - Quote
Jita/amarr? Mission hubs probably will be have bigger effect. You have my support. TIDI IS NIGHTMARE - CCP SHOW US THE TIMERS Reactivation timers on : MJD and more. Please like & post in this idea to keep it visible. |
inuminguart
Techno Hive
3
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:44:00 -
[64] - Quote
+ need do something |
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
458
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:46:00 -
[65] - Quote
Wow. You may succeed in getting your ships replaced OP, but I've never seen a better case made for CCP to eliminate blob warfare entirely than this angry essay. EVE's hardware is incapable of allowing 4000 characters to engage on a single node. And also, comeon, as a business, those guys can't be held hostage to player demands (your word) under the threat of mass unsubs and blatant extortion every time things don't turn out as planned. These threats are becoming too commonplace. It's not like CCP wanted this to happen or for you to be unhappy.
I certainly wish you guys all the best no matter what happens, but as I've never written this before, and may never do so again past this moment: if some of you do decide to rage quit, could I perchance maybe acquire a few of your belongings? You see, I'm easily amused and thus have no plans to quit myself, but perhaps with the influx of massive fortunes, the process of my growing jaded and bitter could be rapidly accelerated. Just a thought.
Thanks in advance.
YK "High-five, fist bump, explode, implode, fist bump again, under-five, up-five, chest-bump...ohhhhh....call 911!"
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
979
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:54:00 -
[66] - Quote
These types of threads irk me quite a bit when they place all the blame on CCP. Try relying on actual skills and knowledge instead of blobbing in fleets of 1000's on each side, where the person with more wins. It's partly the player's fault too. You can work together and agree on smaller fights, but you refuse to.
Nothing is going to change until the players want to change too. Even if they find some magical solution to allow battles of 5000 on each side, people will try to bring 7500 on each side, then whine about lag. Stop going to battle with so many on both sides. Grow some balls and stop whining about it. Sheesh. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
456
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Posted - 2014.01.20 07:57:00 -
[67] - Quote
Silent Nightingale wrote:...
2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.....
We the minority will inflict our problems on others to gain attention and/or sympathy. Neurosis. GTFO.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Prince Kobol
1357
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:00:00 -
[68] - Quote
Node lagged hard when we tried to bridge 700 dreads in a system with 2700 other guys at once on grid with 1000's of other ships.
Well bugger me with a fish fork, I am surprised this happen, I mean who else would of expected the node to lag hard doing this, its not like the node was lagging at the time or that there is any history of nodes lagging when trying to bridge in that many people at once. |
trade bot
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:08:00 -
[69] - Quote
FIX THE GAME! |
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
458
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:11:00 -
[70] - Quote
Well that's sort of the point, isn't it? If the nodes could handle 3000 players unannounced without any tidi, then folks can still show up with 4000 and deploy drones. Boom. At some point, you've got to do a cost/benefit analysis (which I'm sure they've done) and determine if the best course of action is to continue to promise fights that you cannot deliver (while bleeding angry vets) or alter the sandbox in such a way that the best fights possible within the technical limitations are feasable while continually expanding on those limits as finances and technology allows. It's anti-sandbox heresy, and I don't like it either, but all I'm saying is that if it isn't possible to improve the technology now, then you've probably got to start identifying other ways to improve the player experience.
imo.
YK "High-five, fist bump, explode, implode, fist bump again, under-five, up-five, chest-bump...ohhhhh....call 911!"
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Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
1011
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:19:00 -
[71] - Quote
Silent Nightingale wrote:Dear CCP,
Eve Online is a game which is -¦ MMORPG, the main advantage of which is declared to be the chance of taking part in large-scale battles with thousands of ships fighting in one system. Not long ago there was a battle in HED-GP and lots of pilots have prepared their ships, looking forward to have much fun that day. That battle was supposed to be a culmination of a long war between the leading claim alliances. But instead of that they had to face terrible lags and infernal TD because of your inability to provide the stable functioning of your servers. Both sides GÇô those who killed and those who lost ships there are highly disappointed with what was going on and what they have got. It was not a fair battle - everything that happened there had nothing to do with game principles and mechanics, and it has no logical explanation. Moreover, those pilots who had lost expensive ships in lags due to the technical problems on your side havenGÇÖt received any reimbursement and it is demonstration of your injustice and total negligence towards common players. You provided reimbursement in similar cases but now you provide us with nothing else but excuses, which is obviously not enough. We asked to fix lags, but you either did nothing or suggested some partial solution which didnGÇÖt fix the problem in general. We were patient and we used to put up with it, but it was the last straw that broke the camelGÇÖs back. We are a group of people who cares for this game. A small group, but as soon as this message is posted on all eve-forums in all languages that we speak you will see how many people will be eager to join us. And we want you to start serious work on the technical problems you have now immediately. We want you to inform all the players about the changes and modifications that you are going to introduce in the nearest future to fix the lags and we need to know the time when it they will be embodied. Besides we demand reimbursement for all the ships killed in that period of time as a result of the system failures. And we want you to provide pilots with new ships or isks if it happens again. If a ship was lost not because of a pilotGÇÖs mistake or poor pvp skill, but as a result of a technical problem on your side - it is your fault and you must recompense for it. We spent our time, isks and efforts in game to gain those ships in an honest and lawful way and no one will put up with the fact of losing them because of game defects. If this message will have no effect on you and you ignore our words as you used to do before in 3 days we will do the following:
1)We will deactivate most of our accounts and stop buying plexes from the official site. Some of us have already got rid of their accounts and is just a beginning - there will be much more and soon. All secondary carebear or cyno accounts that are not really important for us to play the game will be frozen until the matter is settled. We will ask all our friends and accomplices to do the same.
2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.
3)We will ask talented people, who have played a lot and know this game well to write a number of surveys and to make a number of video clips in different languages showing what the liner side of the game GÇô the td, the lags, the technical imperfection of Eve Online and the proves of your unfair and careless attitude towards common players. These videos and surveys will be posted on every single game forum, under every your commercial to let the new players know what they will really get instead of fun that they see on your trailers. We will let them understand that for you all the players are not more than a source of income and if they face problems you will do nothing but apologize. Bad fame spreads quickly, but it will take years to get rid of it. And most people prefer to trust real gamers not trailers. If they see what really happens in multi-player battles, the GÇ£chess-shooterGÇ¥, the unjust victories covered by developers you can be sure they will give up the idea of playing Eve.
The number of new players will fall, a number of old pilots will leave and it will affect you income and make you pay attention to these problems. We will wait for 3 days to see your first steps and your willingness to start a constructive dialogue with the playersGÇÖ community. If you start work and make up for the unjust losses we are not going to escalate the conflict. But if not, you will leave us no choice and we canGÇÖt see any other way of drawing your attention. We have little to lose now, cause we have lost any interest to play this game.
Dear pilots If you care for what happens, if you are fed up with the lags, show your solidarity by giving likes to the topic and adding your comments and proposals. If you are ready to help us in any way tell us what you can do. Let the developers see that it is not a couple of whinning pilots but the opinion of the majority. They wonGÇÖt be able to ignore it. We must do something to get what we deserve GÇô fun and fair play. Please, repost this text to your game forums and give a link to this topic. go ahead and cram the trade hubs, enjoy the bans.
going to the trade hubs without the intent of actually trading, but instead the INTENTION of causing TiDi for nothing other than the inconvenience of CCP and the other players, is very close to being an EULA violation, as its exploiting a game mechanic outside its intended purpose, with malicious intent. |
Findail
Kenshin. Against ALL Authorities
13
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:24:00 -
[72] - Quote
I don't think anybody expected a lag free fight...
We've all been in battles where we've ended up with 1 frame / 30 seconds before. Annoying, but bearable if it means a good fight.
There was really no question about not turning up for this one. It promised to be an epic capital fight, probably the largest in the history of EVE. CCP had reinforced the node, there was a large capital and super fleet already there - everybody wanted a good fight.
I think that most of us were expecting the usual wait of a few minutes for grid to load - not a big deal - annoying, but for a fight like this you can put up with it. Instead, people waited over an hour then finally died without ever having the grid load. THAT is what has really annoyed people. Being ready and willing for a decent fight, (and lets face it, this had all the makings of being an epic battle), only to be thwarted by the server side.
TiDi really doesn't seem to be the answer. Maybe CCP needs to cap systems at 1 fleet per side until a long term solution can be found. I really hope they can come up with something that will let us have some of these big battles - pretty sure the majority of us went for the fight, not the sov - not every day you get the opportunity to be in a battle that size |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8668
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:27:00 -
[73] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote:go ahead and cram the trade hubs, enjoy the bans.
going to the trade hubs without the intent of actually trading, but instead the INTENTION of causing TiDi for nothing other than the inconvenience of CCP and the other players, is very close to being an EULA violation, as its exploiting a game mechanic outside its intended purpose, with malicious intent. Maybe we'd be going there to trade, or to shoot up your ships on the undock. My EVE Videos |
Sejuani
The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:27:00 -
[74] - Quote
-ö-¦-¦-Ç -ô-£ -¦-+-¦ -¦-+. -« -ü-¦-¦, -+-ä -¦-¦ -Ä-+ -å-¦-+-é-Ç-+ -¦-Ç-+-+-ü -+-+ -é-Ç-¦-¦-¦ -à-¦-¦-ü -ä-+-Ç -¦-Ç-¦-¦-é -+-¦-¦-ü -ì-+-¦ -â -¦-+-+ -¦-+ -¦-¦-+-¦-¦ -+-+ -ä-+-Ç -Ä-+-¦-¦ -ä-+-Ç -¦-¦-¦-¦-+-é-¦-¦ -¦-+-¦ -ü-Ç-¦-¦-é -+-¦-¦-ü -+-+ -ó-ö.
-+-+-+-+ -ç-¦-¦ -+3-+-+, -+-¦-¦ -Ä-+ -¦-¦-â-é 400 -¦-¦-Ç-+-ä. -+-é-ü -ì-¦-¦-Ä-é 400-à9=3600 -å-¦-+-Ç-é-+ -¦-+-Ç-+-+-+-¦. -¦-¦-é -+-+ -+-¦ -ä-+-+-¦ -ì-¦-¦-â-é 15000 -å-¦-+-Ç-é-+ -¦-Ç-+-+-+-ä -+-¦-¦-Ç -¦-¦-Ç-+-ü-ä-¦-Ç-¦. -+-¦-¦ -ü-+-¦-ê-+-¦-+-+ -¦-¦-¦-¦-¦-+-+-¦-¦ -¦-Ç-+-+-¦-ü -ä-+-Ç -¦-¦-¦-¦-+-é-¦-¦ -¦-+-¦ -ü-Ç-¦-¦-é -+-¦-¦-ü -+-+ -ó-ö. -¦-¦-¦ -¦ -Ä -+-+-é -é-+ -¦-¦-+ -+-¦-+? |
Almethea
Trans Stellar Express
39
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:29:00 -
[75] - Quote
russian tears, better than vodka! WTS BPO : |
Ryder 'ook
Die..Brut
38
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:31:00 -
[76] - Quote
Did I read that right? - We're progressing from whine to blackmail???
This is fantastic! Please continue.
9/10 Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home. |
CM 6unk
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:04:00 -
[77] - Quote
Sejuani wrote:-ö-¦-¦-Ç -ô-£ -¦-+-¦ -¦-+. -« -ü-¦-¦, -+-ä -¦-¦ -Ä-+ -å-¦-+-é-Ç-+ -¦-Ç-+-+-ü -+-+ -é-Ç-¦-¦-¦ -à-¦-¦-ü -ä-+-Ç -¦-Ç-¦-¦-é -+-¦-¦-ü -ì-+-¦ -â -¦-+-+ -¦-+ -¦-¦-+-¦-¦ -+-+ -ä-+-Ç -Ä-+-¦-¦ -ä-+-Ç -¦-¦-¦-¦-+-é-¦-¦ -¦-+-¦ -ü-Ç-¦-¦-é -+-¦-¦-ü -+-+ -ó-ö.
-+-+-+-+ -ç-¦-¦ -+3-+-+, -+-¦-¦ -Ä-+ -¦-¦-â-é 400 -¦-¦-Ç-+-ä. -+-é-ü -ì-¦-¦-Ä-é 400-à9=3600 -å-¦-+-Ç-é-+ -¦-+-Ç-+-+-+-¦. -¦-¦-é -+-+ -+-¦ -ä-+-+-¦ -ì-¦-¦-â-é 15000 -å-¦-+-Ç-é-+ -¦-Ç-+-+-+-ä -+-¦-¦-Ç -¦-¦-Ç-+-ü-ä-¦-Ç-¦. -+-¦-¦ -ü-+-¦-ê-+-¦-+-+ -¦-¦-¦-¦-¦-+-+-¦-¦ -¦-Ç-+-+-¦-ü -ä-+-Ç -¦-¦-¦-¦-+-é-¦-¦ -¦-+-¦ -ü-Ç-¦-¦-é -+-¦-¦-ü -+-+ -ó-ö. -¦-¦-¦ -¦ -Ä -+-+-é -é-+ -¦-¦-+ -+-¦-+?
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tigara 52
Zima Corp Infinity Space.
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:09:00 -
[78] - Quote
Revolution! when the corn go? going on all 5 accounts! |
Brad Vedal
Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:12:00 -
[79] - Quote
+3 account -û) |
Blood Viper Johnson
25
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:15:00 -
[80] - Quote
Silent Nightingale hah she was kicked from sf after posting this thread)thats funny |
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BobFromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
55
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:17:00 -
[81] - Quote
Silent Nightingale wrote:Dear CCP,
Eve Online is a game which is -¦ MMORPG, the main advantage of which is declared to be the chance of taking part in large-scale battles with thousands of ships fighting in one system. Not long ago there was a battle in HED-GP and lots of pilots have prepared their ships, looking forward to have much fun that day. That battle was supposed to be a culmination of a long war between the leading claim alliances. But instead of that they had to face terrible lags and infernal TD because of your inability to provide the stable functioning of your servers. Both sides GÇô those who killed and those who lost ships there are highly disappointed with what was going on and what they have got. It was not a fair battle - everything that happened there had nothing to do with game principles and mechanics, and it has no logical explanation. Moreover, those pilots who had lost expensive ships in lags due to the technical problems on your side havenGÇÖt received any reimbursement and it is demonstration of your injustice and total negligence towards common players. You provided reimbursement in similar cases but now you provide us with nothing else but excuses, which is obviously not enough. We asked to fix lags, but you either did nothing or suggested some partial solution which didnGÇÖt fix the problem in general. We were patient and we used to put up with it, but it was the last straw that broke the camelGÇÖs back. We are a group of people who cares for this game. A small group, but as soon as this message is posted on all eve-forums in all languages that we speak you will see how many people will be eager to join us. And we want you to start serious work on the technical problems you have now immediately. We want you to inform all the players about the changes and modifications that you are going to introduce in the nearest future to fix the lags and we need to know the time when it they will be embodied. Besides we demand reimbursement for all the ships killed in that period of time as a result of the system failures. And we want you to provide pilots with new ships or isks if it happens again. If a ship was lost not because of a pilotGÇÖs mistake or poor pvp skill, but as a result of a technical problem on your side - it is your fault and you must recompense for it. We spent our time, isks and efforts in game to gain those ships in an honest and lawful way and no one will put up with the fact of losing them because of game defects. If this message will have no effect on you and you ignore our words as you used to do before in 3 days we will do the following:
1)We will deactivate most of our accounts and stop buying plexes from the official site. Some of us have already got rid of their accounts and is just a beginning - there will be much more and soon. All secondary carebear or cyno accounts that are not really important for us to play the game will be frozen until the matter is settled. We will ask all our friends and accomplices to do the same.
2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.
3)We will ask talented people, who have played a lot and know this game well to write a number of surveys and to make a number of video clips in different languages showing what the liner side of the game GÇô the td, the lags, the technical imperfection of Eve Online and the proves of your unfair and careless attitude towards common players. These videos and surveys will be posted on every single game forum, under every your commercial to let the new players know what they will really get instead of fun that they see on your trailers. We will let them understand that for you all the players are not more than a source of income and if they face problems you will do nothing but apologize. Bad fame spreads quickly, but it will take years to get rid of it. And most people prefer to trust real gamers not trailers. If they see what really happens in multi-player battles, the GÇ£chess-shooterGÇ¥, the unjust victories covered by developers you can be sure they will give up the idea of playing Eve.
The number of new players will fall, a number of old pilots will leave and it will affect you income and make you pay attention to these problems. We will wait for 3 days to see your first steps and your willingness to start a constructive dialogue with the playersGÇÖ community. If you start work and make up for the unjust losses we are not going to escalate the conflict. But if not, you will leave us no choice and we canGÇÖt see any other way of drawing your attention. We have little to lose now, cause we have lost any interest to play this game.
Dear pilots If you care for what happens, if you are fed up with the lags, show your solidarity by giving likes to the topic and adding your comments and proposals. If you are ready to help us in any way tell us what you can do. Let the developers see that it is not a couple of whinning pilots but the opinion of the majority. They wonGÇÖt be able to ignore it. We must do something to get what we deserve GÇô fun and fair play. Please, repost this text to your game forums and give a link to this topic.
Ahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha
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BobFromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
55
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:21:00 -
[82] - Quote
Guys I am so mad that jumping over 500 people in at 0 on 3500 people ends in lag! Do something about this! It would work fine in WoW!
Ahahahahahahahahahaha |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1068
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:21:00 -
[83] - Quote
Silent Nightingale wrote:2) We will take our ships to high-sec and send massive fleets to such systems as Amarr, Jita or Dodixie to share all the fascination of TD and lags with those pilots who do not take part in claim wars. We doubt it will make them feel happy and soon they will either leave the game or support our ideas.
You are going to be waiting a long time on the Jita gate, the system has a ~2000 player population limit. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Bobbechk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
73
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:22:00 -
[84] - Quote
Privyet Stalin here
NO BACK DOWN, NO RETREAT YOU ARE CONTINUE CYNO IN DREAD TO HED-STALINGRADSKI UNTIL THE CITY IS RECAPTURE
ANY TRAITORS CAUGHT JUMP TO STAIN OR TRY TO UNSUB WILL BE HUNTED BY KGB AS FILTHY DOGS
The glorious Soviet Socialist republic shall prevail
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BobFromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
55
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:22:00 -
[85] - Quote
But seriously people, don't blame CCP, blame yourselves or God. |
Terri Mk4
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:49:00 -
[86] - Quote
Anthar Thebess wrote:Jita/amarr? Mission hubs probably will be have bigger effect. You have my support.
This is not about reimbursement - it is about FIXING issue by CCP. Thing that happened in HED will be in every station or important system starting from now on.
Capitals and supers are broken - when it comes to current capabilities of EVE servers. 900 n3 capitals and supers that was in HED can be only responded with a bigger fleet - and EVE just proved that it is not ready for this. CCP have to be aware that this is not some issue that might show up in the future but something that IS happening right now.
this is a good post which almost drowns in the slander and drivel from one specific side.
It gets right at the core of the problem, which is not sov: itGÇÖs that once a critical mass of caps/scpas/titans is assembled in one place, the required counter would be too much to crash the server. Therefore such a capital blob is pretty much invincible with the current game performance restraints. Great game design!
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Makalu Zarya
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
149
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:50:00 -
[87] - Quote
dear OP
I do not recollect CCP making you jump in, nor did they make you put 1000 dominixes into local. 1000 dominixes is 5000 sentry drones, while 450 carriers is 4500, not to mention the combined ship count is 6000 vs 4950. Fighter bombers weren't put out until well into the fight so we will ignore those for the moment (as a side note only 5 were put out for the majority of the fight).
Therefore perhaps you should petition those people who made you jump in and lose your dread, because they are the ones that made you jump not CCP. I for one would like to thank ccp for making sure the node didn't go down. Speaking of great dread losses. It is 4 years, almost to the day since the the cva d-g welp (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5682550 my dread loss). The local was 1500 with no drones anywhere and ~200 cva dreads never loaded. A few did but from what I recall it was less than 10. Local in HED-GP peaked at nearly (or over by some claims) 4000 people. Personally I never saw 4000. Therefore anyone who claims that CCP hasn't improved the game is an utter moron.
Your biggest mistake, however, was not jumping in, it was putting 1000 domies on the field ahead of you. Have you not done that you would've probably loaded just fine, and instead of domies would've not loaded. At the end of the day domies did not play a role in the fight, they were just there for...i don't know what they were there for. It was your mentality that you HAVE TO HAVE subcaps, which we have proven is wrong time and time again.
The second mistake you made is fighting some of the most experienced capital FCs in eve, while yourself having near 0 experience in the matter...sorry solo shooting sbus is not experience. No matter how much you claim experience doesn't matter, it does.
so blame who you want, cause clearly in no way shape or form can it be your fault that you jumped in, in the end, it is. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
661
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:51:00 -
[88] - Quote
BobFromMarketing wrote:But seriously people, don't blame CCP, blame yourselves or God.
+1 for FF Tactics reference. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Abdul Secheh
Hoover Inc. Black Legion.
44
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:51:00 -
[89] - Quote
i liked post with all my active accounts - it went from 79 to 84, now it's 80 likes only.
CCP, are you serious? |
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
459
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:54:00 -
[90] - Quote
How many players actually 'liked' the comment? 1?
I'm no mathmetician, but I can count to one fairly well.
Maybe I should start 'liking' all my comments with my own alts too.
My views would be so popular then.
Oh wait.
YK "High-five, fist bump, explode, implode, fist bump again, under-five, up-five, chest-bump...ohhhhh....call 911!"
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Alice Ituin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:03:00 -
[91] - Quote
Terri Mk4 wrote: It gets right at the core of the problem, which is not sov: itGÇÖs that once a critical mass of caps/scpas/titans is assembled in one place, the required counter would be too much to crash the server. Therefore such a capital blob is pretty much invincible with the current game performance restraints. Great game design!
True, but this wasn't the case in HED. |
Silent Nightingale
Aliastra Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:09:00 -
[92] - Quote
Please, leave your political preferences for some other topic. It is not what really matters now. It is not important who lost the ships and how many were lost, the point is HOW they were lost and what was done about it. The rules of any game must be clear and a game must be fair, otherwise it makes no sense to take part in it. Is it really interesting to "Win" not due to the command of FC's and skilled pilots, not due to good strategies and tactics. but with the help of lags and system failures? Both sides of the conflict are strong enough to win the war or at least to show a good fight with lag generators turned off. So forget about politics, stop trolling each other and ask yourself if there is a real thechnical problem that needs CCP's attention and if CCP must reconpense ships every time they make us lose them. If you agree with that - put a like to the topic, lots of likes will help to draw necessary attention and push developers to decide something ib general. If it happens both sides will enjoy the results.
And by the way. is war declaration a legal reason to use drones in Jita? |
Alice Ituin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:16:00 -
[93] - Quote
Silent Nightingale wrote:The rules of any game must be clear and a game must be fair, otherwise it makes no sense to take part in it. The rules where absolutely clear. Drop 800 dreads directly on grid in a system that is already overloaded with 2700 ships and bad stuff happens. Especially when half of those ships on grid are domis.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
12
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:25:00 -
[94] - Quote
Someone told me this is the goonies and rus whine thread , i brought just 1 bucket to collect the tears but after reading this i should have brought more buckets heh |
Diva Ex Machina
D'reg Spaceship Samurai
36
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Posted - 2014.01.20 10:41:00 -
[95] - Quote
Lucas Rutherford wrote:I get that you (CFC/RUS) are upset at the loss of so many dreads, I honestly get that. What I don't understand is the misplaced anger at CCP. I don't believe I've ever posted on these forums other than to buy alts, but I felt this needed to be said.
I believe their leaders are telling them to blame and petition CCP about it in an effort to deflect blame for their own FCs' poor decision making during the fight:
http://www.eveskunk.com/?messageID=334841731
Also, IBTL. |
Corsa Corsa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:01:00 -
[96] - Quote
+2 Dear CCP, start to work with important things!!! |
Raiderovi4
The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:17:00 -
[97] - Quote
+1 |
Findail
Kenshin. Against ALL Authorities
14
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:34:00 -
[98] - Quote
I'd suggest that CCP look at implementing a points based system cap - same way that they already do alliance tournies.
The blob issue disappears, lag becomes less of an issue, we get good fights, and they don't have to do a huge code rewrite to move from single threaded to multi-threaded code, which is a pretty unrealistic expectation
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
714
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:47:00 -
[99] - Quote
all idiots lost their ships because they put 1000 of them into already heavily loaded system, your fault. Every time CCP improves server performance, you will bring just more people and complain again.
CCP shouldnt not and will not reimburse any losses resulted in sheer stupidity, sorry for you. |
Doc Severide
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:55:00 -
[100] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:Can I have your stuff?
As a serious note, the lag you get from 3k pilots in a system is a physical hardware limitation issue which is extremely difficult and expensive to overcome. IT isnt CCP's fault that NS people are a bunch of cap sitting blobbers who have long forgotten what a fun fight looks like. Exactly...
But stupid people won't understand this... |
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Mike Tortura
S.A.S Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:57:00 -
[101] - Quote
Sweet, sweet Tears. |
Ohotnic 69
Orders Academy SOLAR WING
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:03:00 -
[102] - Quote
Bobbechk wrote:Privyet Stalin here
NO BACK DOWN, NO RETREAT YOU ARE CONTINUE CYNO IN DREAD TO HED-STALINGRADSKI UNTIL THE CITY IS RECAPTURE
ANY TRAITORS CAUGHT JUMP TO STAIN OR TRY TO UNSUB WILL BE HUNTED BY KGB AS FILTHY DOGS
The glorious Soviet Socialist republic shall prevail
U wrong man. Not only russian ded in HED-Jp. May be u feer-that bug fixed ? Go Fight to the Konora man)) Gl Dear CCp please work on it~+1 |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:03:00 -
[103] - Quote
Qweasdy wrote:Sooooo... umad bro?
I think he mad bro
So what did you loose, titan/super..... I think CCP should be like 'MERICA' on this occasion and not give into terrorist demands!
If your threats make CCP reimburse all your losses, whats to stop the next guy QQ raging and demanding sov of a system or anything for that matter. Many alliances have huge numbers and if their leader demands - eg goons and mitani - who knows what they will get if a president is set by this 1 HED-GP QQ battle.
I do however agree something needs to be done with tidi and lag, but unfortunately this game is over 10 years old and the netcode isn't optimized for modern systems/servers. As such a whole new eve game would need to be compiled to fix these issues, which just wont happen Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
211
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:06:00 -
[104] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:OP - Transfer me a some sov and I'll start to care.
Oh wait... No I won't.
It is funny how the spazos that wont let anyone else even get a start in null sec now expect everyone feel sympathy for them.
Maybe 1/2 the null sec players quitting Eve is exactly what Eve needs.
Except that they don't. What happens is that stupid humans do the same they do for hundreds of years. They put everyone of a group into a single pot, ignoring that of several thousand people have a different opinion. You believing that every goon represents his alliance has nothing to do with actual reality... as you can see for yourself.
Goon haters are far worse than goons themselves. It's funny that the group of goon haters acts far less individually. ^^ Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
71
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:11:00 -
[105] - Quote
Lucas Rutherford wrote:I get that you (CFC/RUS) are upset at the loss of so many dreads, I honestly get that. No you dont. That's not about the fact that they were lost. It's about how they were lost. During the whole battle, guns cycled 4-5 times max, and it's for those 50% who were lucky to load the grid. Doomsdays cycled 4 times, too.
Lucas Rutherford wrote:N3/PL have found a counter to blobbing and that is superior ships. Superior ships?! Sides had: 600 dreads + 100 carriers for CFC/RUSRUS vs 600 carriers + 100 dreads for PL/N3 Titans and Moms were on grid for PL, and were ready to jump for CFC. They didnt jump because it was too much of a lag. Now for the numbers. Do you say that 600 carriers are superior to 600 dreads or what?
Lucas Rutherford wrote: If you want to win in cap warfare blobbing is no longer the answer. You will have to beat caps with caps. And how do you beat blobbing cap? And again, RUS/CFC brought caps. The dreads, and some carriers. But the dreads were useless, because of the lags. |
dan Rotsuda
Order of Order SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:44:00 -
[106] - Quote
CCP, pls, try to make good game! Not like now! Fix it, pls! |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1192
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:45:00 -
[107] - Quote
Introduce paying isk to get in.
Empty wallet, you sit out
Make it cost isk based on the tidi level.
"Tidi is at 10%. Your drone boat is going to have to pay a toll of 150mill isk to jump. Accept toll?"
Problem will solve itself GûÇGûêGûÇ GûêGûÇGûê GûÇGûêGûÇ-á-á-á-á-á GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûêGûÇGûê GûêGûæGûê GûæGûêGûæ GûêGûÇGûä GûæGûêGûæ-á-á-á-á-á GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûä GûêGûæGûêGûæGûê GûÇGûêGûÇ GûæGûÇGûæ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûÇGûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇGûæGûÇ GûæGûÇGûæ |
CroisisCZ
BAND of MAGNUS
17
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:46:00 -
[108] - Quote
It seems I still dont get it or something... So the CFC/RUS decides to drop 1k+ Domis first, then 700 caps, right to the same grid with 3k players already in and with maxed TiDi knowing what is going to happen (or at least should know) and when the inevitable happens, they turn to mass whining and now to blackmailing CCP?
Also why do you keep repeating that there is nothing deterring you from doing this? Uhm, you know, like the simple fact that the current servers cant handle that much pressure?
Oh my, you surely must be joking or completely ********. |
Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
71
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:52:00 -
[109] - Quote
CroisisCZ wrote:It seems I still dont get it or something... So the CFC/RUS decides to drop 1k+ Domis first, then 700 caps, right to the same grid with 3k players already in and with maxed TiDi knowing what is going to happen (or at least should know) and when the inevitable happens, they turn to mass whining and now to blackmailing CCP? Blackmailing is bad and stuff. But what is you suggestion exactly to counter those 600 carriers? Sit and wait till they die in their own lags? |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1135
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:56:00 -
[110] - Quote
Wow I am really glad I am not exposed to all this. I find it truly surprising people are willing to sit through that TIDI stuff in the first place, let alone to make it worse on purpose. Seriously, kudos. I would probably have logged half an hour in, forfeiting ship and pod in favour of my sanity, a sandwich, and some progress in a random Xbox title. |
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CroisisCZ
BAND of MAGNUS
17
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:58:00 -
[111] - Quote
Skia Aumer wrote: Blackmailing is bad and stuff. But what is you suggestion exactly to counter those 600 carriers? Sit and wait till they die in their own lags?
Uhm, I dont know... maybe not dropping ****load of subcaps first? Maybe dropping your own caps and supers on a safe spot and warping them when they load the grid? Please dont try to make yourself dumber than you really are... The only one responsible for your debacle is your FC. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
715
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:59:00 -
[112] - Quote
Skia Aumer wrote:CroisisCZ wrote:It seems I still dont get it or something... So the CFC/RUS decides to drop 1k+ Domis first, then 700 caps, right to the same grid with 3k players already in and with maxed TiDi knowing what is going to happen (or at least should know) and when the inevitable happens, they turn to mass whining and now to blackmailing CCP? Blackmailing is bad and stuff. But what is you suggestion exactly to counter those 600 carriers? Sit and wait till they die in their own lags?
sometimes you cant do anything, its situations like hed or f4r when enemy set up on targen hours ago with an unbeatable blob of whatever.go away and look for the next opportunity to fight, hed isnt the only place in eve you know |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
532
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:59:00 -
[113] - Quote
Terri Mk4 wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Jita/amarr? Mission hubs probably will be have bigger effect. You have my support.
This is not about reimbursement - it is about FIXING issue by CCP. Thing that happened in HED will be in every station or important system starting from now on.
Capitals and supers are broken - when it comes to current capabilities of EVE servers. 900 n3 capitals and supers that was in HED can be only responded with a bigger fleet - and EVE just proved that it is not ready for this. CCP have to be aware that this is not some issue that might show up in the future but something that IS happening right now. this is a good post which almost drowns in the slander and drivel from one specific side. It gets right at the core of the problem, which is not sov: itGÇÖs that once a critical mass of caps/scpas/titans is assembled in one place, the required counter would be too much to crash the server. Therefore such a capital blob is pretty much invincible with the current game performance restraints. Great game design!
Critical mass applies to subcap blobs as well. By cramming 3000 Domis into a system nobody will be able to jump in enough ships to counter them without blackscreening.
Blaming capitals is nonsense, an excuse used by a coalition that won't counter properly. (Cynoing 300 Dreads AT ZERO on 900 capitals after jumping 1000+ subcaps into system is NOT out you counter!) How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Nyan Lafisques
Legion Du Lys Insidious Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:01:00 -
[114] - Quote
Skia Aumer wrote:CroisisCZ wrote:It seems I still dont get it or something... So the CFC/RUS decides to drop 1k+ Domis first, then 700 caps, right to the same grid with 3k players already in and with maxed TiDi knowing what is going to happen (or at least should know) and when the inevitable happens, they turn to mass whining and now to blackmailing CCP? Blackmailing is bad and stuff. But what is you suggestion exactly to counter those 600 carriers? Sit and wait till they die in their own lags?
CFC/RUS side had 100+ Titans, 220+ Supers and 700+ dreads, at least those are the numbers from the last -A- update on HED-GP, so I think that almost alone would have done it... |
Prince Kobol
1359
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:09:00 -
[115] - Quote
Skia Aumer wrote:CroisisCZ wrote:It seems I still dont get it or something... So the CFC/RUS decides to drop 1k+ Domis first, then 700 caps, right to the same grid with 3k players already in and with maxed TiDi knowing what is going to happen (or at least should know) and when the inevitable happens, they turn to mass whining and now to blackmailing CCP? Blackmailing is bad and stuff. But what is you suggestion exactly to counter those 600 carriers? Sit and wait till they die in their own lags?
You could of just used your caps (of which both CFC and RUS claim you had more) from the start.
You had plenty of other options, different ships and tactics but instead you decided in bringing 1000's of Sentry Domi's to try and crash the node before the ihub was taken down knowing that would of most likely saved the system and prove a point that drones are the main reason for causing lag and crashing nodes.
When that didn't work you decided to to try and bridge 700 dreads on grid with thousands of other ships + drones when the server was maxed Tidi and already lagging instead of bridging them to a safe sport and allowing them to load grid first.
Instead all you succeeded doing was making yourself look like noobs and compounded the issues by coming and crying on the forums about unfair it is.
You then raised the level of your stupidity by threatening to quit lol.
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CM 6unk
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:23:00 -
[116] - Quote
CroisisCZ wrote:Skia Aumer wrote: Blackmailing is bad and stuff. But what is you suggestion exactly to counter those 600 carriers? Sit and wait till they die in their own lags?
Uhm, I dont know... maybe not dropping ****load of subcaps first? Maybe dropping your own caps and supers on a safe spot and warping them when they load the grid?Please dont try to make yourself dumber than you really are... The only one responsible for your debacle is your FC.
ahahaah lol. pls dont writhe about pvp. go farm yours 4 lvl. WARP where ? clo/dreads in to bubles ? outside from optimal. lol
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CroisisCZ
BAND of MAGNUS
17
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:28:00 -
[117] - Quote
Heh, with the exception of CFC and RUS grunts everyone seem to agree that it was a predictable outcome and that it was caused by CFC/RUS...
Instead of trying to blame CCP for your own mistakes, you should congratulate them on a job well done. I mean it for real, the simple fact that the server didnt crash with 4000 players trying their best to kill it is a great achievement by CCP. On the other hand, it is surely understandable that you cry now that your "tactics" of crashing nodes and sweeping enemies scattered all over the system is no longer viable... Once again, great work CCP, keep it up. |
Bobbechk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
77
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:31:00 -
[118] - Quote
CM 6unk wrote:CroisisCZ wrote:Skia Aumer wrote: Blackmailing is bad and stuff. But what is you suggestion exactly to counter those 600 carriers? Sit and wait till they die in their own lags?
Uhm, I dont know... maybe not dropping ****load of subcaps first? Maybe dropping your own caps and supers on a safe spot and warping them when they load the grid?Please dont try to make yourself dumber than you really are... The only one responsible for your debacle is your FC. ahahaah lol. pls dont writhe about pvp. go farm yours 4 lvl. WARP where ? clo/dreads in to bubles ? outside from optimal. lol
The funniest part was thinking 700 close-range dreads was a good idea to start with, even if they had loaded fine 90% would have been out of optimal to the primaries at any given time... |
CroisisCZ
BAND of MAGNUS
17
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:32:00 -
[119] - Quote
CM 6unk wrote: ahahaah lol. pls dont writhe about pvp. go farm yours 4 lvl. WARP where ? clo/dreads in to bubles ? outside from optimal. lol
Sorry to disappoint you but Im not a HS bear... nor affraid to use my main to post unlike you |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
1085
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:38:00 -
[120] - Quote
too late for a TL; DR?
wumbo |
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Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
315
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:40:00 -
[121] - Quote
Support TIDI IS NIGHTMARE - CCP SHOW US THE TIMERS Reactivation timers on : MJD and more. Please like & post in this idea to keep it visible. |
Silent Nightingale
Aliastra Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:57:00 -
[122] - Quote
If it is so difficult to fix lags or CCP can't afford better equipment and programs why don't they make it a part of game? For example, if too many ships enter a system, something bad happens. i don't know.... For example all players receive a warning that the sun will blow up in a minute and if they won't leave all ships will be destroyed. It will be fair and predictable, all parts will be able to use it in their tactics, no blaming each other of cheap methods and lousy victories. It won't take CCP much time to do it while they are looking for a better solution.
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Igor Nappi
Perkone Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:57:00 -
[123] - Quote
An appeal to all players deactivating their accounts and/or supporting this thread: Contract me your stuff. |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:02:00 -
[124] - Quote
If anyone wants to contract me your stuff, I'll be sure to use them to still put a hurt on your enemies in your absence. Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW? No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too) |
CroisisCZ
BAND of MAGNUS
19
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:03:00 -
[125] - Quote
Silent Nightingale wrote:If it is so difficult to fix lags or CCP can't afford better equipment and programs why don't they make it a part of game? For example, if too many ships enter a system, something bad happens. i don't know.... For example all players receive a warning that the sun will blow up in a minute and if they won't leave all ships will be destroyed. It will be fair and predictable, all parts will be able to use it in their tactics, no blaming each other of cheap methods and lousy victories. It won't take CCP much time to do it while they are looking for a better solution.
So you are basically suggesting that with this proposed mechanics you would have jumped 2.5k characters in lets say noobships to a system with PL/N3 super/cap fleet in bubbles and all ships in that system should be destroyed within 1 minute unless they GTFO? Am I getting it right? |
EdFromHumanResources
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
185
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:05:00 -
[126] - Quote
Someone point o a single server anywhere on the planet that they think could have handled the magnitude of idiocy the Russians/CFC tried to pull in HED-GG. |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:16:00 -
[127] - Quote
Also, the idea of up to half of 0.0 population disappearing would be pretty legitimately best for new eden as it will free up room for even moderate sized entities to carve out some 0.0 for themselves. Instead of a few major blocks and status quo, we'll have a dynamic and more varied 0.0 with loads of separate borders and entities.
Maybe a whole new land rush from empire really is what eve could use. Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW? No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too) |
Muestereate
Minions LLC
139
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:18:00 -
[128] - Quote
Quote: Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game.
You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.
Quote:
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In no event shall CCP, its affiliates, licensors or suppliers be liable to you or to any third party for any special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive or exemplary damages (including without limitation, lost profits or lost data), arising out of or in connection with your Account, the System, Software, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, or any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, whether based on warranty, contract, tort or any other legal theory, and whether or not CCP is advised of the possibility of such damages, and even if any stated remedy fails of its essential purpose.
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gazarsgo
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
24
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:27:00 -
[129] - Quote
Oh these sweet, sweet tears.
Instead of whining with puppy faces at CCP, maybe you should just adapt (or die).
Years ago: Titans overpowered? Goons: Nerf them. Supercarriers overpowered? Goons: Nerf them.
A few months ago: Carriers overpowered? Goons: Nerf them. Drone assist overpowered? Goons: Nerf them.
Today: TIDI OVERPOWERED? OMG NERF TIDI
shut up |
Gribzor
Redeye Inc.
16
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:29:00 -
[130] - Quote
CFC now posting with alts?
Lol. |
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Terri Mk4
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:33:00 -
[131] - Quote
M1k3y Koontz wrote:Terri Mk4 wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Jita/amarr? Mission hubs probably will be have bigger effect. You have my support.
This is not about reimbursement - it is about FIXING issue by CCP. Thing that happened in HED will be in every station or important system starting from now on.
Capitals and supers are broken - when it comes to current capabilities of EVE servers. 900 n3 capitals and supers that was in HED can be only responded with a bigger fleet - and EVE just proved that it is not ready for this. CCP have to be aware that this is not some issue that might show up in the future but something that IS happening right now. this is a good post which almost drowns in the slander and drivel from one specific side. It gets right at the core of the problem, which is not sov: itGÇÖs that once a critical mass of caps/scpas/titans is assembled in one place, the required counter would be too much to crash the server. Therefore such a capital blob is pretty much invincible with the current game performance restraints. Great game design! Critical mass applies to subcap blobs as well. By cramming 3000 Domis into a system nobody will be able to jump in enough ships to counter them without blackscreening. Blaming capitals is nonsense, an excuse used by a coalition that won't counter properly. (Cynoing 300 Dreads AT ZERO on 900 capitals after jumping 1000+ subcaps into system is NOT out you counter!)
Yeah 3000 domis right. Only that nobody can amount that number of BS, not even the CFC. Whereas the full N3PL cap fleet easily breaks the critical mass where it can't be countered reasonably. Not even on the super duper jita node. Let alone a normal node. |
Mizhir
Mangala Solaris's Fan Club
51235
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:34:00 -
[132] - Quote
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
And actually. CCP has done a great job fixing lag. Please show me a game where you can have over 2k players in the same place without the game going WTF BBQ.
CCP is fixing lag, but you fucktards just keep clustering in more pilots until it breaks again. One Man Crew - The official Bringing Solo Back contest
SCL5 Winner |
Bobbechk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
77
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:38:00 -
[133] - Quote
Silent Nightingale wrote:If it is so difficult to fix lags or CCP can't afford better equipment and programs why don't they make it a part of game? For example, if too many ships enter a system, something bad happens. i don't know.... For example all players receive a warning that the sun will blow up in a minute and if they won't leave all ships will be destroyed. It will be fair and predictable, all parts will be able to use it in their tactics, no blaming each other of cheap methods and lousy victories. It won't take CCP much time to do it while they are looking for a better solution.
Or instead of the sun exploading you could have all the new ships entering the system have a malfunction where the pod is left behind and the empty shi...
Oh wait |
Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
296
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:46:00 -
[134] - Quote
I think everyone agrees that this problem needs fixing but just a few reminders:
1- EVE already has the most advanced gaming hardware on the planet.
2- No other game in history ever saw the number of players interacting together on the same grid.
3- Solutions such as limit the number the players are ignorant at best and moronic at worst. For instance if I had a a certain number of pilots (the max the system can accept) I will literally have the power to defend every system I have regardless of enemy numbers or strategy. Even limits that do not break the game, strategically chocks the meta and greatly reduces the creativity in the sandbox.
There is no simple solution, if there was one it would have been implemented, after all those fights are the bread and butter of EVE. Yes this needs to be fixed so EVE as a game can progress to a new level, but it is already the best at what it does, threatening to unsubscribe and then blow jita up is just being whiny (never thought I'd call a bunch of Russians that, please don't cut my electricity). The expectation you possessed was simply too high, and you are holding this as an excuse for your loss. Just losing those 7 towers without noticing is enough to justify losing the whole system. We all hoped and wished this fight could be more, but to realistically expect more is just wishful thinking.
We are going to withstand losing all of our sov again and again and again without losing 1% of our members, but we are going to quit and whine because laaaag (which was very much expected, and please don't throw that we expected the node to crash bullshit, because that strategy is lame, and thank god it didn't happen).
HTFU (another thing I never imagined saying to a bunch of russians). |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1073
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:48:00 -
[135] - Quote
Quote:3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
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Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting. Thread locked.
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