EVE Search - A Market To Buy and Sell L.P

All Channels

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A Market To Buy and Sell L.P

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Setantii Conquistador. 2	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:47:00 - [1] - Quote Simple suggestion - I wonder if it would be possible to introduce a market to buy and sell Loyalty Points? A market would allow capsuleers short on isk to offload their L.P to traders like myself willing to take them. Would there be any negatives from being able to trade in L.P?
Noxisia Arkana Deadspace Knights 60	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:07:00 - [2] - Quote +1 I have 10,000 LP in a faction that I will probably never mission for again. Plus I don't like market math, I'd rather someone just lowball me the value of my LP and reap the benefits of my laziness.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1303	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:25:00 - [3] - Quote +1. Although you can kind of do it if you find somebody who will tell you "buy me item X and I will give you Y ISK for it" I happen to have small amounts of LP in quite a few stores and all I could buy for it is junk not worth the trouble. But I have no idea about economy and stuff so my +1 is purely selfish and I won't take responsibility for any crisis this change/feature may unleash :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Swiftstrike1 Swiftstrike Incorporated 445	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:29:00 - [4] - Quote -1 LP are awarded for loyalty. It doesn't make sense for the corporation in question to payout if some complete stranger walks into the LP store with your loyalty points. Fleet Bookmarks New Gravimetric Sites Med Clones 2.0
Reinforced Metal Scrap Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:30:00 - [5] - Quote Lore-wise it wouldn't make sense. How would you even buy and sell a corporation's favor towards you? What I'd like to see however would be converting LPs between different corporations of the same faction. This way the LP would stay in the family, so to speak. The ratio could be fixed and unfavorable like 2:1 or set by players via an exchange market. Dedicated forum alt. Ingredients: 99.9% Pure Tritanium. May contain traces of peanuts.
Gallali Egidall Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:25:00 - [6] - Quote If it doesn't make sense in a lore manner, perhaps allow contract-type exchanges that can be set up. Buyers put up orders in a particular LP store and sellers request the item and use it to fill the contract. You could have a "corp wide" range, ranges by sec status ("High sec only, high + low, etc), and then limited to a particular station.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1304	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:32:00 - [7] - Quote ESS will produce tags exchangeable for ISK so here is your in-lore solution: let me exchange LP for tags and I will sell them with contracts. And if I have 8324 LP I can get one 5k LP tag for it because it will be better than having 20 places of useless LP across galaxy. And of course loyalty can be paid out in tags, what else are those gift cards you get as a Christmas bonus at your work? Beside lore cannot be ultimate excuse to not do reasonable things. It is enough that we have "legacy code" to live with. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Noxisia Arkana Deadspace Knights 61	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:05:00 - [8] - Quote We're really concerned with lore here? So. When I'm in a station there are a group of people maintaining a vast stock of ships (at every station I have LP for) in the form of a store for the faction that station represents. There is a desk with 50 BPCs sitting on it for that tempest fleet issue, and a couple storage lockers full of phased plasma s? So what I'm hearing is: oh no, you'll break my immersion by being able to sell loyalty? When I get a gas discount for being a loyal customer at my local grocery store all they ask is that the receipt with the discount be used at a participating gas station. I can give that receipt to anyone that wants to save money on gas... I'm not seeing a problem here. We can already pay CONCORD to ignore aggression against corps. I'm not seeing this as much of a stretch. Besides, my reward for loyalty is the standings not the LP. The LP is just another form currency.
Aliventi Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 641	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:26:00 - [9] - Quote The great thing about lore is you can change it to make sense with whatever you want to do. So anyone have a real argument? "tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through the gate. Effortless intel is bad." ~Me
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 249	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:10:00 - [10] - Quote Swiftstrike1 wrote: -1 LP are awarded for loyalty. It doesn't make sense for the corporation in question to payout if some complete stranger walks into the LP store with your loyalty points. So what ? Loyalty points are already treated more as a currency than a measure of loyalty. They bear more resemblance to scrip than anything else. It even fits the purpose of scrip, as it's used to pay capsuleers in something other than ISK. It's not like the lore treats capsuleers as being loyal to anything but their own wallets. As someone in faction warfare, I've got a list of things I don't like about the current way to cash out LP. All of which can be fixed if there was an LP market, as I could just outsource it all to someone else: - Deciding which items are the best to cash out with takes more market research than I enjoy. This is the best site I've found to help but the highest sell order ratios are items that probably won't sell and, while the highest buy order ratios are for items that will sell, but if I'm making my own sell order I can often find better items further down the list. - Even once I've picked an item, I often buy too much of it. Trying to find a good quantity not fun for me, and finding one just means I'll have to pick another item to cash out with. - FW NPC stations are usually not trade hub stations. Which means that if I want a good price I'll have to either haul the stuff out myself while at war when I know there is usually an enemy or two in the trade hubs I'm flying to or fly it with an alt I do not have. Remember, FW was designed as a way for players to learn PvP. Including players new to Eve who want to PvP, not to haul stuff around. - Some of the goods, like navy cap boosters, are very bulky. Which means the hauling will need to be done with an industrial. Which many new players to FW will not have trained for a while. If I could trade LP, then I'd just sell my LP to someone else and let them worry about those details. Chances are they will enjoy the trading side a lot more than I do. Sure, I'll get a bit less for my LP than I would if I did it myself, but that's an acceptable cost for my convenience. Two other beneficial side effects of an LP market: - Increased ISK sink from the taxes of the LP market. - High sec missioners now have more transparency about which corps are more profitable to run missions for, as the ISK:LP ratio is the main difference and it will now be visible. Which will lead to missioners spreading out a bit as where they clump up the oversupply will lead to lower ISK:LP ratios for that corp.
Rendiff Funk Soul Brothers High Rollers 47	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:20:00 - [11] - Quote Eve has lore?
Anomaly One 182	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:01:00 - [12] - Quote +1, really, lore ? it makes perfect sense in the land of backstabbing and espionage to sell your loyalty points to others :p And gives a chance for not everyone that wants to calculate every single LP item... Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2128	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:14:00 - [13] - Quote Anomaly One wrote: +1, really, lore ? it makes perfect sense in the land of backstabbing and espionage to sell your loyalty points to others :p And gives a chance for not everyone that wants to calculate every single LP item... The empires have perfect control on how much they like you, why would they not be able to keep track of how much LP you have (or lack there of) you have. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 250	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:34:00 - [14] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: Anomaly One wrote: +1, really, lore ? it makes perfect sense in the land of backstabbing and espionage to sell your loyalty points to others :p And gives a chance for not everyone that wants to calculate every single LP item... The empires have perfect control on how much they like you, why would they not be able to keep track of how much LP you have (or lack there of) you have. Here is a better question: Why should the Empires care if the capsuleer spending the LP is the same one who earned it or a different capsuleer who acquired it legally ?
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations CODE. 3268	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:58:00 - [15] - Quote LP is awarded like tokens. LP does NOT measure how much they like you- that's what standings are for. LP absolutely should be able to be traded, because they are effectively like tokens you are given, kind of like the old mining tokens people would get for working in corporate owned mines, but they didn't get real money. They used these tokens to buy their food, lodging, etc. It is pretty much exactly the same thing. All we have to decide on is HOW they are traded. Currently, people sell LP by buying items to trade. This is ridiculous. You should be able to to sell your LP to a player, who can then use them to buy stuff. The same stuff gets bought, the same LP exists, it's just like trading IOU's, or any other alternative currency. I suggest CCP just make this EASY. Allow players to journal LP like shares from one player to the next. Let the players decide what it is worth. Let people make websites, etc. It'll take some Dev like 15 mins to do this and we are done with the issue. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 250	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:06:00 - [16] - Quote Erotica 1 wrote: I suggest CCP just make this EASY. Allow players to journal LP like shares from one player to the next. Let the players decide what it is worth. Let people make websites, etc. It'll take some Dev like 15 mins to do this and we are done with the issue. Players won't really care about who they trade it to, only how much the LP is worth. I see no reason to treat them as anything beyond just another item on the market and contracts. Give players an interface they are familiar with. The market and contracts system do not require third party websites to function well. At most, the only change will be to make the location irrelevant.
Jint Hikaru Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry 1103	Posted - 2014.01.21 09:52:00 - [17] - Quote Swiftstrike1 wrote: -1 LP are awarded for loyalty. It doesn't make sense for the corporation in question to payout if some complete stranger walks into the LP store with your loyalty points. Exactly this.... Its like Air Miles. Loyalty Points are rewards to YOU for your loyalty to a corporation/entity. It makes no seance and to be honest there really isn't a good reason for this. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 131	Posted - 2014.01.21 11:13:00 - [18] - Quote -1 from me. You can't buy or sell loyalty. If you have LP use them up on goods and sells the goods. Having made a choice to run missions for a corp gained you a reward in LP. If that wasn't the best choice then cash in as best you can and move on in my opinion. This would effectively allow a character to run missions anywhere without having to think who they are running the missions for. I prefer that people have to think about where they mission.
Noxisia Arkana Deadspace Knights 69	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:49:00 - [19] - Quote I run missions when there aren't a lot of corp mates on. I don't care who I'm running for and the only time I spend my LP is to pull a faction ship out and set it in a hanger. So what I'm saying is that I effectively run missions anywhere and I don't think about who I'm running for. Also, the market would sort itself out on that. If Quafe LP sold for 700 isk / LP and Theology Council sold for 1200 isk / LP (trending market data). People would get the gist... Edit: I still don't get that this breaks immersion for some people. Think of the value of a rookie corp (a couple of friends) pooling to get their first faction battleship or battlecruiser. I think that's a more valueable story than 'you can't sell loyalty.' Also, you can sell loyalty. You can buy your way into citizenship in a number of countries, if you pay me more at my job than my competitors you are 'buying' my loyalty. -1 for unsound logic.
Mike Mulder Imperial Phoenix Legion 24	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:07:00 - [20] - Quote It's not like you're actually buying faction standing, although that precedent is already set thanks to sec status tags. I would like this just to get rid of the small amount of LPs that I have as leftovers from factions I probably won't mission for again. For example, I have 29 and 130ish LPs from two factions I don't mission for any more. Those LPs will just sit in my wallet, taunting me forever. You can already sell your faction gear from the LP stores...what's the difference?
Jint Hikaru Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry 1106	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:09:00 - [21] - Quote Noxisia Arkana wrote: Also, you can sell loyalty. You can buy your way into citizenship in a number of countries, if you pay me more at my job than my competitors you are 'buying' my loyalty. -1 for unsound logic. Um... nothing here is you getting paid money to transfer a loyalty standing that you've generated with an entity (LPs), to another person. Which is the topic under discussion here. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 251	Posted - 2014.01.22 03:10:00 - [22] - Quote Jint Hikaru wrote: Swiftstrike1 wrote: -1 LP are awarded for loyalty. It doesn't make sense for the corporation in question to payout if some complete stranger walks into the LP store with your loyalty points. Exactly this.... Its like Air Miles. Loyalty Points are rewards to YOU for your loyalty to a corporation/entity. It makes no sense and to be honest there really isn't a good reason for this. EDIT: Also what the guy says below my post. Comparing to air-miles doesn't work at all. There are already too many differences In RL the customer/client is the traveler. In Eve, the corporation is the customer/client. Which means that in Eve LP flows from the customer. In RL air-miles flow to the customer. LP flowing in the opposite direction is a very big difference. So big that your comparison does not hold. But my comparison with scrip, that does hold. Scrip was used to pay workers instead of cash. LP is used to pay capsuleers instead of cash. In both cases, it's flowing to the person that provides the service. The differences between scrip and Eve LP all come in what you can do with them after you have acquired them. Besides, lore should never be an excuse for bad gameplay. Do you have any gameplay arguments for preventing LP trading ?
Loyalty Points Loyalty Points Wallet 0	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:16:00 - [23] - Quote As something of an authority on the subject, I don't think this is a good idea.
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 252	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:34:00 - [24] - Quote Loyalty Points wrote: As something of an authority on the subject, I don't think this is a good idea. What makes you an authority on the subject ?
Tsobai Hashimoto Evil Monkey Asylum Evil Monkeys Asylum 188	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:07:00 - [25] - Quote Swiftstrike1 wrote: -1 LP are awarded for loyalty. It doesn't make sense for the corporation in question to payout if some complete stranger walks into the LP store with your loyalty points. If it worked like that then A) why can I swap back in forth between minnies and amarr or caldari FW all I want? or even gal if i join a corp.... B) why can i still dock in Hek TLF, and spend my minnie LP WHILE in Amarr FW, and currently killing Minnies, even wanted by the faction police, that cant seem to dock in Hek TLF where they are stationed from LOL EVE has no LORE
Bald Beauty Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:12:00 - [26] - Quote Sounds like a good suggestion to me.
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 254	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:13:00 - [27] - Quote With the Encounter Surveillance System providing LP to nullsec ratters, how will my complaints about cashing out LP apply to nullsec ratters ?
voetius Caldari Provisions Caldari State 183	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:15:00 - [28] - Quote Loyalty Points wrote: As something of an authority on the subject, I don't think this is a good idea. You created a character with a gimmick name, that's not the same as an argument. +1 supported
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 255	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:19:00 - [29] - Quote If adjusting the code to make LP tradeable is too difficult for CCP due to it being questionable legacy code, here is a possible workaround: - Create a consumable item that costs LP, and when used provides the user with that much LP for the same corp. - List all these LP tokens on the market. While this is a physical item, this will not cause problems with my complaints about LP and new pilots because the LP tokens will not need to be moved if created at the right station. People will pay more ISK for the LP tokens at the station they plan to spend the LP at than they would at a trade hub, because any token purchases at a trade hub need to be hauled back to a station of that corp. (excluding corps which have a trade hub in one of their stations). So any player who just spends their LP on tokens in the most popular of their corps stations should just sell them there.
Setantii Conquistador. 11	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:50:00 - [30] - Quote Bump for my suggestion, anybody else in favour?
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 263	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:08:00 - [31] - Quote I would be in favour of a 'Letter of Recommendation' mechanism that pushed LP up to the Faction level allowing players to aggregate into Navy faction stuff, implants etc if they so wish. Making it tradeable above and beyond the listed goods at the corp/faction they were earned from just turns them directly into yet another form of currency.
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 289	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:26:00 - [32] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: I would be in favour of a 'Letter of Recommendation' mechanism that pushed LP up to the Faction level allowing players to aggregate into Navy faction stuff, implants etc if they so wish. Making it tradeable above and beyond the listed goods at the corp/faction they were earned from just turns them directly into yet another form of currency. LP is already used as a currency by both capsuleers and NPCs. Starting from the moment the NPC corp pays the capsuleer in LP. When we cash out LP, we don't buy stuff to use directly, we buy stuff that we can see for ISK. The only difference between LP and a currency is that we can't trade it between each other.
Batelle HOMELE55 2104	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:58:00 - [33] - Quote Really simple: Make an LP store offer that sucks up a tiny bit of isk and returns you an LP token redeemable for 95% of the LP used to acquire it. Sell token. Would require adding a different token with each npc corp that has an LP store, which could suck a bit. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 671	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:26:00 - [34] - Quote Making loyalty points acceptable within each faction ie amarr constructions, tradeable with amarr navy. Would allow a lot of spread LP to be consolidated to purchase something useful, works for concord LP why not for others? While i am not against having them tradeable, it could have economy balance implications and therefore could require more work than is justifiable for the gain. There's a lot than can be addressed with improving LP that would have a greater benefit to all, for example addressing the tag requirements that haven't changed with the FW changes and change in availability. Tl;dr Allow use of faction LP in the same faction store. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 290	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:08:00 - [35] - Quote epicurus ataraxia wrote: While i am not against having them tradeable, it could have economy balance implications and therefore could require more work than is justifiable for the gain. When it comes down to it, the main cause of any change will be the change in people who are cashing out LP. Currently everyone, no matter how little they know about the Eve economy, has to cash out their LP themselves. So they make mistakes. With LP trading, the people who earn the LP sell it to players who know what they are doing and those players cash it out. So any effects will be very similar to if CCP manages to educate everyone regarding the best way to cash out LP. If the economy is so fragile that educating the population is a problem, then the economy has serious issues. So, unless the economy has problems, I don't see how LP trading could cause any problems either. Maybe CCP will need to tweak LP store prices. But that's it.
Your Dad Naked State War Academy Caldari State 143	Posted - 2014.03.06 03:12:00 - [36] - Quote It could work, wouldn't make sense for the lore but who cares. First thing they need to do is diversify the LP stores, though. Military divisions should not be offering the same wares as manufacturing conglomerates.
Milton Middleson Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 466	Posted - 2014.03.06 04:03:00 - [37] - Quote LP is renamed scrip or corporate credit. Lore issue resolved.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2219	Posted - 2014.03.06 04:10:00 - [38] - Quote Tsobai Hashimoto wrote: Swiftstrike1 wrote: -1 LP are awarded for loyalty. It doesn't make sense for the corporation in question to payout if some complete stranger walks into the LP store with your loyalty points. If it worked like that then A) why can I swap back in forth between minnies and amarr or caldari FW all I want? or even gal if i join a corp.... B) why can i still dock in Hek TLF, and spend my minnie LP WHILE in Amarr FW, and currently killing Minnies, even wanted by the faction police, that cant seem to dock in Hek TLF where they are stationed from LOL EVE has no LORE Because if the game worked the way lore would have it players would whine and ***** that the game has too many restrictionsand makes it hard for noobs. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 263	Posted - 2014.03.06 09:26:00 - [39] - Quote Maybe I'm just an old \|RPG player at heart but I'd prefer the lore to be tied in more through changing Epic Arc mission cycles and such. In terms of LP I thought they kept it distinct from ISK so that players had to gather them to gather some specific items as with the SoE ships when they were released. If LP were tradeable anyone with them would simply have sold to the highest bidder who would effective;ly have been buying the ship. As it was the whole LP mechanism provided CCP with a great means to introduce new faction items and drive players to specific locations, with then provided more conflict as the mission runners got jumped more often. LP is a different mechanism to ISK for a reason I think and making it tradeable would simply negate that difference.
Major Trant CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 669	Posted - 2014.03.06 10:33:00 - [40] - Quote I've got little bits of LP scattered around dozens of corp on various characters. However, while it would be nice for me to be able to convert and use them, this suggestion comes with the problem that everyone else will also be able to do this. It will result in more LP coming into use, prices of LP goods will generally go down and the distinction between working for different NPC corps will become blurred. In short this suggestion amounts to a dumbing down of Eve. This game benefits the diligent and intellegent player. Those who do their research, plan their activities and put the work in where it is needed. But this suggestion caters to the: "Wah Wah! I've screwed up and wasted my time on the wrong corp, make it easy CCP!" "There, there little boy, here you go, just convert your bad LP to good LP, simple!" -1 Hesod Adee wrote: Two other beneficial side effects of an LP market: - Increased ISK sink from the taxes of the LP market. - High sec missioners now have more transparency about which corps are more profitable to run missions for, as the ISK:LP ratio is the main difference and it will now be visible. Which will lead to missioners spreading out a bit as where they clump up the oversupply will lead to lower ISK:LP ratios for that corp. Please use valid arguments to support your view, this is complete rubbish. 1. Making LP that is currently unused suddenly easy to convert and use is an Isk generater, not a sink, whether you tax it or not. 2. It is already easy to work out who is the best corp to work for and you have even linked a tool in the same post to do that for you. If people are too lazy to do that or can't be bothered to grind up the standings with a new corp, giving them access to items from other LP stores without having to grind the standing isn't going to encourage them to grind those standings. CTRL-Q - Minmatar FW - Low Sec PvP - Euro TZ - New Player Friendly Contact: Major Trant In game channel: FeO Public Recruitment thread: CTRL-Q
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 263	Posted - 2014.03.06 10:45:00 - [41] - Quote Major Trant wrote: ...snippety snip 1. Making LP that is currently unused suddenly easy to convert and use is an Isk generater, not a sink, whether you tax it or not. 2. It is already easy to work out who is the best corp to work for and you have even linked a tool in the same post to do that for you. If people are too lazy to do that or can't be bothered to grind up the standings with a new corp, giving them access to items from other LP stores without having to grind the standing isn't going to encourage them to grind those standings. Good summary that's what I've been trying to say in each of these LP trading threads, though I still wouldn't be averse to being able to push LP up to faction level.
Vartan Sarkisian Reasonable People Of Sound Mind 141	Posted - 2014.03.06 13:24:00 - [42] - Quote I'd like this to get rid of all that crap sub 100 LP that I have built up... or at least have the option to bin the LP. +1 I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
Salpad Carebears with Attitude 518	Posted - 2014.03.06 13:49:00 - [43] - Quote Noxisia Arkana wrote: +1 I have 10,000 LP in a faction that I will probably never mission for again. Plus I don't like market math, I'd rather someone just lowball me the value of my LP and reap the benefits of my laziness. I sold a bunch of LP a year or two ago, to someone who was a pro LP trader. As I recall, she told me that she got something like 2.5 or 3 times as much out of it as I did, but I was perfectly okay with such a ratio, especially given that it actually involved a bunch of work for her, to figure out exactly what I should spend my LP on (various BPC and BPO, IIRC). All I had to do was fly to a few stations and spend the LP, then contract the stuff to the buyer.
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 290	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:31:00 - [44] - Quote Major Trant wrote: Please use valid arguments to support your view, this is complete rubbish. 1. Making LP that is currently unused suddenly easy to convert and use is an Isk generater, not a sink, whether you tax it or not. ISK changing hands from one player to another is not an ISK generator. An ISK generator generates ISK. Meaning it creates new ISK. An ISK sink destroys ISK. So any time an NPC takes ISK, that's an ISK sink. Quote: 2. It is already easy to work out who is the best corp to work for and you have even linked a tool in the same post to do that for you. If people are too lazy to do that or can't be bothered to grind up the standings with a new corp, giving them access to items from other LP stores without having to grind the standing isn't going to encourage them to grind those standings. Or when the player is new and doesn't know those tools exist. Though it doesn't help that those tools, or at least the better publicized ones, are not enough for reliable cashing out of LP. Look at the ISK:LP ratios on sell orders and you will get an item that nobody wants to buy. Look at the buy prices and you're not getting the optimal items.
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space 290	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:31:00 - [45] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: If LP were tradeable anyone with them would simply have sold to the highest bidder who would effective;ly have been buying the ship. As it was the whole LP mechanism provided CCP with a great means to introduce new faction items and drive players to specific locations, with then provided more conflict as the mission runners got jumped more often. Players would still need to farm the LP. So they would still be driven to the valuable LP sources.
Michael Ignis Archangel Christe Eleison 34	Posted - 2014.03.27 04:22:00 - [46] - Quote +1, two conditions: 1) Cash-in for tokens, which are items. Destroyable, yet so, so compelling to move in a shuttle. 2) 75% conversion rate - and LP tokens must be fed into your journal before redemption by the purchasing party. This way the ISK sink increases, lazy people get more ISK which they'll just waste anyway, and smart/enterprising pilots triumph over the lazy "as intended."

Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.