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Tuxford	Posted - 2006.03.27 15:56:00 - [31] Originally by: j0sephine "It's not like we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr"." You mean, this isn't how it's usually done? ^~^ No we also nerf Caldari _______________

Alpdruck	Posted - 2006.03.27 15:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Tuxford No we also nerf Caldari No, you don't. You say you do and then give them goodies to cancel the nerf...
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.27 15:57:00 - [33] Edited by: Nafri on 27/03/2006 15:58:01 Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: j0sephine "It's not like we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr"." You mean, this isn't how it's usually done? ^~^ No we also nerf Caldari I know it, your reading my skill queque "Ohh look, Nafri trained Caldari Bs lvl5 and some EW skills!" "Fast, lets nerf EW!!" omg, 5 second sig size nerf Signature file size to big, please keep it under 24000 bytes - Petwraith Even Jawas approve slavery
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: j0sephine "It's not like we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr"." You mean, this isn't how it's usually done? ^~^ No we also nerf Caldari Ahahahaa
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr". I choose to misquote you for the purposes of my own propoganda anyway, thanks for the replies - good to know minny is gonna get a look in :) Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: j0sephine "It's not like we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr"." You mean, this isn't how it's usually done? ^~^ No we also nerf Caldari Dev post off the year
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.27 16:23:00 - [37] "No we also nerf Caldari" rats, and here i almost blocked the thoughts about that part XD
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.03.27 19:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Tuxford 6) Autocannons and artilleries will get a look at as well. This isn't a promise that they get a boost we'll just look at them and see if they need some balancing. that made my week be sure to use a magnifying glass and some rust remover --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Derran	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:07:00 - [39] Uh oh. I am trained in a similiar to Nafri. Can I have a skill point refund please? I want to go back to the way I started 3 years ago. Drones FTW! \o/ That aside, I sure hope the Hawk doesn't get a missile damage bonus. I do like the RoF bonus it has but the damage bonus for missiles on Caldari ships is always Kinetic. I'd rather see it as a mini-raven with a missile velocity bonus for some increased range.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:09:00 - [40] Bah, I LIKE the general slant of the AF fix. A fourth bonus fix would be messy and you'd really need to give the Inty's a full 4th bonus in place of partial.. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer

Karash Amerius	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:16:00 - [41] I know Tux keeps in mind the defensive side to weapon balancing, but I have to stress that a lot of casual pvper may under-estimate the ability to do more than just 2 damage types. We get a lot of fanboi attention here that only look at DPS or DPS in regards to range...just do not want to see that mistake happen in any such "fix". ================================ OEC Now Recruiting Come live the life of a 'Merc' today!
Octavio Santillian	Posted - 2006.03.27 20:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Tuxford 6) Autocannons and artilleries will get a look at as well. This isn't a promise that they get a boost we'll just look at them and see if they need some balancing. Maybe all that training will pay of after all. Thanks for the updades Tux!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:20:00 - [43] Originally by: Karash Amerius I know Tux keeps in mind the defensive side to weapon balancing, but I have to stress that a lot of casual pvper may under-estimate the ability to do more than just 2 damage types. We get a lot of fanboi attention here that only look at DPS or DPS in regards to range...just do not want to see that mistake happen in any such "fix". the ability to do all 4 damage types is overrated. not completely useless, but not as uber as the majority of people make out. a tanked ship with 3 hardeners will have resists between 10% of each other, so unless your guns do under 10% less dps than another race's guns which only do 2 damage types, you still won't see much of a benefit. EMP ammo however, is teh sex. Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Sarmaul the ability to do all 4 damage types is overrated. not completely useless, but not as uber as the majority of people make out. a tanked ship with 3 hardeners will have resists between 10% of each other, so unless your guns do under 10% less dps than another race's guns which only do 2 damage types, you still won't see much of a benefit. Truth. Quote: EMP ammo however, is teh sex. Also truth. <3 EMP -Wrayeth
Forsch	Posted - 2006.03.27 22:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Sarmaul the ability to do all 4 damage types is overrated. not completely useless, but not as uber as the majority of people make out. a tanked ship with 3 hardeners will have resists between 10% of each other, so unless your guns do under 10% less dps than another race's guns which only do 2 damage types, you still won't see much of a benefit. In a recent discussion about cargo bay size I remember a minmatar arguing that minmatar vessels need more cargo space because they have to carry ammo of different damage types. Seems like not all of your race think this is overrated. ________________________________________________________________ Forsch Defender of the empire
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Forsch Originally by: Sarmaul the ability to do all 4 damage types is overrated. not completely useless, but not as uber as the majority of people make out. a tanked ship with 3 hardeners will have resists between 10% of each other, so unless your guns do under 10% less dps than another race's guns which only do 2 damage types, you still won't see much of a benefit. In a recent discussion about cargo bay size I remember a minmatar arguing that minmatar vessels need more cargo space because they have to carry ammo of different damage types. Seems like not all of your race think this is overrated. It's over rated vs being able to do absolute **-loads of damage straight out of the box like the other 2 turret users. You'll notice that they said "need to carry" :) Originally by:** Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
Golden Helmet	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: j0sephine "It's not like we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr"." You mean, this isn't how it's usually done? ^~^ No we also nerf Caldari we always get teh nerf, CCP hates teh caldari /me goes back to bathing in ISK and mocking the Gallante Don't worry, your sig is safe...wait...oops. --Jorauk
Ysolde Xen	Posted - 2006.03.27 23:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Tuxford 3) Hell no, in fact we might still decide to take those changes on the assault ships in a whole other direction, although you can be reasonably safe to assume that Hawk will be a missile ship. 6) Autocannons and artilleries will get a look at as well. This isn't a promise that they get a boost we'll just look at them and see if they need some balancing. \O/ Hawk missile ship = good. Arty balancing = great. Jaguar not doomed to nerfdom just yet = priceless! ----- Just because you couldn't get a ship to do what you wanted doesn't mean it's a crap ship - it means you're a crap pilot of that ship.
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2006.03.28 01:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Alpdruck Originally by: Tuxford No we also nerf Caldari No, you don't. You say you do and then give them goodies to cancel the nerf... I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. ---------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
ThunderGodThor	Posted - 2006.03.28 01:10:00 - [50] Edited by: ThunderGodThor on 28/03/2006 01:10:53 Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Sarmaul Is there any possability that one of you could answer the following questions? 1) Will all tachs get an identical damage mod increase of 5.88%? 2) When will we know about the specific changes to blasters? 3) Is the list in the sticky final, or are there other changes coming you haven't told us about yet (and has anything in the sticky changed already)? 4) How long are we looking to wait for the patch to come out with these changes in? Ta 1) It's not exactly 5.88% afaik. Probably they were all increased by 5% and then rounded to some sane number, but they are all getting an increase. 2) When we get around to actually making some changes on the blasters. 3) Hell no, in fact we might still decide to take those changes on the assault ships in a whole other direction, although you can be reasonably safe to assume that Hawk will be a missile ship. 4) I though it was abundantly clear now that noone at ccp knows how to work a calander. 5) Didn't know Deimos needed love but it should be easier to fit after blaster love. 6) Autocannons and artilleries will get a look at as well. This isn't a promise that they get a boost we'll just look at them and see if they need some balancing. Tux Can i point you guys HERE. Its 15 pages on what is wrong with the deimos "the ship" and blasters. Fitting her isnt the only thing wrong. Oh and some are some what ****** that there hasnt be some responce any responce would help.

Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.28 03:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Mikal Drey hey hey, 6) autos only getting a look. :( if anything needs some love its minmatar* * and various parts of my body The look meaning that if there is anything wrong with them we boost them. It's not like we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr". ROFL. I apologize, I was wrong Other point. I agree that the multiple damage types is overrated. Switching damage types for minmatar already reduces damage. Its not like they all have the damage output of EMP. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2006.03.28 07:33:00 - [52] Edited by: Theron Gyrow on 28/03/2006 07:34:31 Tux, given that you missed the Deimos thread: Did you notice the threads about the tachyon boost? Lots of nice numbers there. Rail Mega w/ 4 dam mods vs Arma/Apoc with three, showing that Arma has about 26% more DoT after the change. A long thread about tachyon changes, with main points condensed in here and here. Comparison of tachyon/425mm cap use in Apoc/Mega. Summary of the summary: if people aren't fitting tachyons now, that is because they haven't run the numbers. -- Gradient's forum
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.03.28 07:48:00 - [53] nothing wrong with the deimos, i can fitt perfectly what i want and pwn.. "We brake for nobody"
Inhabitant	Posted - 2006.03.28 08:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Mikal Drey hey hey, 6) autos only getting a look. :( if anything needs some love its minmatar* * and various parts of my body The look meaning that if there is anything wrong with them we boost them. It's not like we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr". since theautocannons r not as far as effective as blasters and the artys really have a bad tracking, a deeper "look" is needed could please also "look" at the typhoon?
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.03.28 08:34:00 - [55] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock nothing wrong with the deimos, i can fitt perfectly what i want and pwn.. ... Ever heard of the word "balancing".. ? Oh.. and define "pwn".. I can easily kill a t1 cruiser with a deimos, but thats not how things are balanced now is it?
Arashi Miike	Posted - 2006.03.28 09:03:00 - [56] /me is probably the only person in all of EVE even remotely concerned about the fate of the Vengeance. Pretty please with sugar on top don't make it a Retribution light. "I should have been a pair of ragged claws/ scuttling across the floors of silent seas."
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2006.03.28 09:13:00 - [57] Originally by: Inhabitant since theautocannons r not as far as effective as blasters and the artys really have a bad tracking, a deeper "look" is needed could please also "look" at the typhoon? Well, given that AC Rupture > Blasterax, AC Tempest > Blasterthron and Vagabond >> Deimos, I'd call autocannons balanced as a rule. Their clip size could be increased, though. The 250mm, 650mm and 1200mm arties could use some boost, yes, but the tracking is not a problem, it's a feature. As Tux said in the stickied post, Typhoon is getting a missile RoF bonus instead of projectile optimal bonus. -- Gradient's forum
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.28 09:46:00 - [58] the tracking becomes an issue, the gap is just too big in my opinion www.eve-files.com/media/corp/Nafri/Hidden_in_the_sand_Kopie1.jpg[/IMG] Jawas are lousy carebears :( Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Zippy Pinno	Posted - 2006.03.28 09:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Tuxford Hell no, in fact we might still decide to take those changes on the assault ships in a whole other direction, although you can be reasonably safe to assume that Hawk will be a missile ship. Woot - great Tux. The proposed AF changes are only exciting to missile users. OK OK - the fast Jag idea is cool too (but only if it gets an extra mid).
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.03.28 10:15:00 - [60] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Admiral IceBlock nothing wrong with the deimos, i can fitt perfectly what i want and pwn.. ... Ever heard of the word "balancing".. ? Oh.. and define "pwn".. I can easily kill a t1 cruiser with a deimos, but thats not how things are balanced now is it? tell me what you cant do in a deimos and can do in other hac's? "We brake for nobody"



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