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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
tell me what you cant do in a deimos and can do in other hac's?
Tank (sorry but its paper thin and cap has issues after mwd/blaster/rep)
Damage isnt that special compared to other HACS and you have to be at 5km to give it. Its much easier to have a zealot and gain the extra range for a small damage reduction.
Slow- Handles like clapped out skoda and is probably just alittle faster
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:33:00 -
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nice a topic with multiple dev posts and not just '1' post and 30 pages of whining
Originally by: KilROCK My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.28 15:40:00 -
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Hey TomB/Tux/Oveur,
we (all kind of blaster-user, esp. blasterthron/deimos/thorax) know that it¦s very hard to "fix" (balance) the blaster issue. From the few post you (the dev¦s) made we can a lil¦ bit image how you will fix them. Decrased CPU/PG/Cap usage = easier to fit = more room to fit other toys.
A nice dmg-incrase would also be very kind to make it worth to fly a blastership. "Why?" Becouse of rmr. "Why rmr?" Becouse rmr have taken the gamestyle from gank to tank + 25% hitpoints-incrase = fights are longer (take more time). And time is a blasterboat biggest enemy. A blastership have a very huge cap usage -> that means it have to take down the enemy ship very fast, before cap is empty. ..............so rmr + blastership = blasterships death.
I WANT MY BLASTERS MORE "YARRRR" Current Location: Relax and drinking a beer with Dreez and waiting for TomB¦s Blaster changes |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.28 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto Hey TomB/Tux/Oveur,
we (all kind of blaster-user, esp. blasterthron/deimos/thorax) know that it¦s very hard to "fix" (balance) the blaster issue. From the few post you (the dev¦s) made we can a lil¦ bit image how you will fix them. Decrased CPU/PG/Cap usage = easier to fit = more room to fit other toys.
A nice dmg-incrase would also be very kind to make it worth to fly a blastership. "Why?" Becouse of rmr. "Why rmr?" Becouse rmr have taken the gamestyle from gank to tank + 25% hitpoints-incrase = fights are longer (take more time). And time is a blasterboat biggest enemy. A blastership have a very huge cap usage -> that means it have to take down the enemy ship very fast, before cap is empty. ..............so rmr + blastership = blasterships death.
I WANT MY BLASTERS MORE "YARRRR"
lol, lol and lol again. You do realise that you defeated yourself in that post?
Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.03.28 15:50:00 -
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if you make blasters easier to fit that should be all thats required. I don't think a damage increase is needed they already deal gobs of damage they are just to hard to fit to give a useable setup.
if this would fit on a mega I think you would see it used alot more
7xIon IIs MWD Web Disrupter Heavy Injector LAR 3xHard 3xMag Stab IIs
and for an electron setup something like this should fit to make it viable:
7xElectron IIs 1xHeavy Nos MWD Web Disrupter Heavy Injector 2xLAR 3xHards 2xWildcard
The only good fix is a DEAD fix |
sangre
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Posted - 2006.03.28 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
tell me what you cant do in a deimos and can do in other hac's?
Tell me something that a deimos does that no other hac does better.
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.03.28 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Darpz if you make blasters easier to fit that should be all thats required. I don't think a damage increase is needed they already deal gobs of damage they are just to hard to fit to give a useable setup.
Blasters are only half the problem. The other half is that the Deimos is so clumsy, heavy and slow.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.28 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 28/03/2006 16:36:51
Originally by: Kaleeb
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
tell me what you cant do in a deimos and can do in other hac's?
Tank (sorry but its paper thin and cap has issues after mwd/blaster/rep)
Damage isnt that special compared to other HACS and you have to be at 5km to give it. Its much easier to have a zealot and gain the extra range for a small damage reduction.
Slow- Handles like clapped out skoda and is probably just alittle faster
well you cant expect a ship to do everything as long as it can do one thing. not every ship is like the raven which can have full weapons in high, ecm in meds and tank in lows.
anyway, last time i used it i could take most battleships as they could not hit me, i ended up dying to a nosphoon..
i say give the megathron a falloff bonus instead of tracking and increase the tracking of all blasters, i belive that will fix a lot as the most annoying thing i am experiencing is that i am missing..
"We brake for nobody"
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.03.28 16:45:00 -
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No fitting is not the only problem with the Deimos when you compare it with "total HACs" like the Ishtar, Cerb., Vaga and mainly Zealot (mainly because Zealot does all the same stuff but so much better). In a any event I think the devs are unforgivable:
A full year's whine and they are still "thinking about" blasters... yet they "fixed" (read: uberised) tachyons without much discussion and out of the blue. At the same time a thread about the tach change (eleventy pages long) is the only thread about the new changes that has not received a response by the devs... (perhaps because the tittle offended Tux? I trully hope he is not that shallow).
I really try to do different things in this game and fly different ships and be as objective as possible but some things ... just plain dont make sense....
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto Hey TomB/Tux/Oveur,
we (all kind of blaster-user, esp. blasterthron/deimos/thorax) know that it¦s very hard to "fix" (balance) the blaster issue. From the few post you (the dev¦s) made we can a lil¦ bit image how you will fix them. Decrased CPU/PG/Cap usage = easier to fit = more room to fit other toys.
A nice dmg-incrase would also be very kind to make it worth to fly a blastership. "Why?" Becouse of rmr. "Why rmr?" Becouse rmr have taken the gamestyle from gank to tank + 25% hitpoints-incrase = fights are longer (take more time). And time is a blasterboat biggest enemy. A blastership have a very huge cap usage -> that means it have to take down the enemy ship very fast, before cap is empty. ..............so rmr + blastership = blasterships death.
I WANT MY BLASTERS MORE "YARRRR"
Man...
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:05:00 -
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I think someone should ignore Admiral Iceblock crappy 'i don't fly a blasterthron' suggestions and Chelso hyperactive odd posts...
Originally by: KilROCK My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
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Happysin
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Happysin on 28/03/2006 17:24:31 Thanks for deciding to take a look at the projectile weapons. I do find it odd that with my skills, the 150mm AC II can throw more damage than the 200mm AC II. Add to that the fewer number of times I must reload in a fight and the lower fitting requirements, and the 150mm is just better overall gun.
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK I think someone should ignore Admiral Iceblock crappy 'i don't fly a blasterthron' suggestions and Chelso hyperactive odd posts...
My avatars name is "ChalSto" btw. And yea.....everybody knows that you are uber with ur skills and can use all kind of weapons. Ever realized that maybe some ppl can¦t And T2-Ion-Blasters aren¦t the "all-solving" solution for some of us becouse of skill/gametime/isk/ect..
For us "normal" players the most useable and usual setup is: 7X Mondal-Ion¦s, standard med¦s and low¦s of choise (2-3 T2-magfieldstabs are a must)
And now go to this player and tell him to use T2-Ion¦s You get the point now? With my other char i can use T2-Hybrit-gun¦s and yes, I¦ve tryed them on the mega (from your tipp from the megathron-setup-forum, thx btw). And even then under "controlled" pvp-conditions (fight starts in optimal, which it usualy doesn¦t!)I rarely survive an engagement. Can¦t only be a problem from the player/setup, or? Current Location: Relax and drinking a beer with Dreez and waiting for TomB¦s Blaster changes |
MrMorph
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Golden Helmet
Originally by: Tuxford
Originally by: j0sephine "It's not like we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr"."
You mean, this isn't how it's usually done? ^~^
No we also nerf Caldari
we always get teh nerf, CCP hates teh caldari
/me goes back to bathing in ISK and mocking the Gallante
Yeah its so painfull to be a caldari, beeing able to:
choose dmg type. Dish out max dmg 100% of the time. Not be tracking-disrupted.
go jump on a quafe box mate :P
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion No fitting is not the only problem with the Deimos when you compare it with "total HACs" like the Ishtar, Cerb., Vaga and mainly Zealot (mainly because Zealot does all the same stuff but so much better). In a any event I think the devs are unforgivable:
Same thing with geddons.
A dual heavy pulse geddon vs a blaster megat, the geddon does more dps, has more armor, more cap, more range and such. It beats megat in EVERY instance.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:09:00 -
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I still think medium (small turret) beams need a look at..
Author of "The Apoc Guide" |
Forsch
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Steele I still think medium (small turret) beams need a look at..
I fit them on cruisers along with a plate. They take too much grid on frigs, even assault frigs.
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- Forsch
Defender of the empire
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:26:00 -
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btw, artillery damage mod could do with doubling
Originally by: Tuxford we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 28/03/2006 18:40:27
Originally by: KilROCK I think someone should ignore Admiral Iceblock crappy 'i don't fly a blasterthron' suggestions and Chelso hyperactive odd posts...
CHalstos posts hurt my eyes and my brain.
Originally by: Emsigma
Originally by: Crellion No fitting is not the only problem with the Deimos when you compare it with "total HACs" like the Ishtar, Cerb., Vaga and mainly Zealot (mainly because Zealot does all the same stuff but so much better). In a any event I think the devs are unforgivable:
Same thing with geddons.
A dual heavy pulse geddon vs a blaster megat, the geddon does more dps, has more armor, more cap, more range and such. It beats megat in EVERY instance.
And, maybe most disgustingly, the same size drone bay.
Theres really no reason to ever fly a blasterthon except that it is the sex to fly, in that you have the biggest chance to die so you get a sweet rush. A torpraven, domi, autopest, or geddon does pretty much everything better than it. Hell with the changes a phoon will be better at close range too. I dont see how a small fitting and cap reduction on blasters (which is what it looks like will happen) will change that. Blasters really need a pretty massive dps boost, but that is going to make them unbalanced. The disadvantage of having to use 1/2 your cap to get into range of your guns, while your opponent is using all of his cap for shooting/tanking and is hitting you while you cant hit him completely outweighs the TINY amount of damage that blasters do over other weapons. I really see no possible way to balance them tbh, and doubt that the devs will do anything soon.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:07:00 -
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"btw, artillery damage mod could do with doubling"
o.O;
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "btw, artillery damage mod could do with doubling"
o.O;
AGREED! 35x damage mod 4tw -----------------------------------
btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai |
Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:19:00 -
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Tux, take a look at my thread please:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=315709
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kayosoni
Originally by: j0sephine "btw, artillery damage mod could do with doubling"
o.O;
AGREED! 35x damage mod 4tw
signed.
Originally by: KilROCK My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:23:00 -
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Why?
You're saying nothing new. You're just presenting a problem which HAS been accnowledged by a lot of people (including me). What we need now is soloutions.
Now, a blaster fitting "fix" might work. But if the problem, as you're suggesting, is cap...then we need a MWD bonus don't we. Which bonus do you want to give up for it? (And no, boosting all blasters tracking is NOT an especially good idea)
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK I think someone should ignore Admiral Iceblock crappy 'i don't fly a blasterthron' suggestions and Chelso hyperactive odd posts...
give mom her creditcard back...
"We brake for nobody"
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Why?
You're saying nothing new. You're just presenting a problem which HAS been accnowledged by a lot of people (including me). What we need now is soloutions.
What I'm saying is that the proposed "fix" will do nothing at all to fix the problem, and is thus pointless.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Originally by: KilROCK I think someone should ignore Admiral Iceblock crappy 'i don't fly a blasterthron' suggestions and Chelso hyperactive odd posts...
give mom her creditcard back...
Get back your balls from yours.
Originally by: KilROCK My sig are under or 24kb, Each of them. SO PAWS OFF, that's the 3rd time, seriously annoyed now.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 28/03/2006 19:29:26 Zysco,
Mm. But you don't give any answer. This is why I detest Greenpeace, for reference.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 28/03/2006 19:33:45
Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 28/03/2006 19:29:26 Zysco,
Mm. But you don't give any answer. This is why I detest Greenpeace, for reference.
Is there an answer? A damage boost is most obvious but then there is still the cap problem. A cap boost to the mega or a MASSIVE reduction to blasters (like maybe 4 cap a shot instead of a ridiculous 19) would work, but then there is still the problem that you cant break many tanks cause your damage just isnt all that good. A combination of the 2 makes the mega overpowered. But the only way I see the mega being competitive is a combination of the 2. And maybe the mega SHOULD be overpowered. You should be massively rewarded for risking a close range fight instead of ***ly sniping.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Damien Vox
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:33:00 -
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A dev shows up and everyone goes nuts making crazy statements. It's like watching a rockstar walk up to someone, sign something then a swarm shows up. He was trying to be nice and give one person an autograph and suddenly he's surrounded by a horde of people who all want something...
Blood in the water anyone?
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