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Pharuan	Posted - 2006.03.25 13:56:00 - [1] You can now be targeted and destroyed! This information according to GM Q. Which has not yet been released to the public. Thank you for not letting us know ahead of time!
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.03.25 13:59:00 - [2] are you sure? - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Pharuan	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:01:00 - [3] I'll let my Cyno Generator tell you. Logs and such, perhaps even the gm comment its self.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:14:00 - [4] Apparently not [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:19:00 - [5] according to BH and Devs its a bug that you cant get locked
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:24:00 - [6] Um so in other words, setting up a cyno field means certain death as you're stuck there for at least 5minutes, or will that immobility thingy be removed too?
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:28:00 - [7] Originally by: ElCoCo Um so in other words, setting up a cyno field means certain death as you're stuck there for at least 5minutes, or will that immobility thingy be removed too? nope, it means certain death, and if you die, the cyno field will fade away
Khan IX	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Nafri according to BH and Devs its a bug that you cant get locked can you please post a link where the devs say that ? This is totally unknown and any test we just did shows you CAN NOT be locked after opening the field-
Burga Galti	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:33:00 - [9] Who is going to want to use a 160mil recon ship for setting up cyno fields if it's just going to be a sitting duck? - Pain is a way of knowing yourself; Death is the ultimate in self-discovery.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Khan IX Originally by: Nafri according to BH and Devs its a bug that you cant get locked can you please post a link where the devs say that ? This is totally unknown and any test we just did shows you CAN NOT be locked after opening the field- Quote: BH Runner ISD ISD BH Interstellar Services Department Posted - 2006.03.21 09:45:00 - [2] - Quote To the best of my knowledge the current bug is actually that the player is menat to be vulnerable to all types of weapons, and killing his ship should collapse the cyno field. I will check this with game design, but I believe defects are already in place. ---- Runner BH Lead Quote: BH Runner ISD ISD BH Interstellar Services Department Posted - 2006.03.21 12:46:00 - [6] - Quote My original thoughts were that an attacking fleet used squadrons of ships to establish a beachead in an enemy system, then used their cyno generatingship to jump the capital ships in. This tends to be what occurs in warfare, you're bigger sloest carrier units are not the first wave. Thats why cynos should be warpable to, as they are the beacheads, and an adequate invasion force should be there to protect this gateway, rather than have invulnerable ships which enable you to jump exceptionally powerful capital ships directly into an enemy home system to attack it. It means you don't get a free ride into hostile terrority, and they being the ones with home advantage can arp in on your generation points, as would be expected in a standard gate attack. ---- Runner BH Lead Quote: Mephysto Posted - 2006.03.21 13:15:00 - [8] - Quote As Runner stated, you are supposed to be vulnerable to damage when you create a cyno field. The current situation where you are invulnerable is a bug. You are also able to use your own modules to defend yourself while the field is running, so having a ship capable of running 6-7 ecm jammers is, imo, quite powerful. Any further discussions about the status of the force recon ships can be added to the existing discussion here.

Eshtir	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Pharuan I'll let my Cyno Generator tell you. Logs and such, perhaps even the gm comment its self. The Forum rules clearly states, that: Quote: Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue. You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned. I would advice you to not post the GM comment on the forums as its prohibited. -Eshtir forum rules \| [email protected] Yulai, we have a problem!

Khan IX	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:36:00 - [12] This seems to be talk just about invulnerabilty ;( I am talking about locking we just tested it It IS NOT possible to lock the opener of a cyno field atm. IT says: 2006.03.25 14:06:10 notify You failed to target nothing.
Hakera	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:42:00 - [13] this has been 'debated' in this thread, if this is the new policy then the ability to see a cyno field in local must be removed otherwise the cyno field ship will be ganked easily enough rendering the whole jump system too vunerable and useless. stealth nerfs are bad
Pharuan	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:44:00 - [14] Thats fine and dandy Nafri, but the problem is, somehow, today... A recon ship was targeted and destroyed while the cyno field was open. You cannot currently target these ships through normal means. Also, the person whom opened the field is currently unable to defend its self. Thus the problem we have today. Ship was targeted and destroyed while cyno generator was active. Ship was unable to defend itself by activating mods.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.25 14:55:00 - [15] Well, you can perhaps use Mephysto's comment from the linked thread in your communication with the GM, as a proof that it's still impossible at the moment to target ships with active cyno field (if due to bug) ... and use that as ground for reimbursment, i guess o.O
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.25 15:08:00 - [16] Edited by: Nafri on 25/03/2006 15:08:58
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.03.25 15:13:00 - [17]
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.03.25 16:01:00 - [18] Originally by: j0sephine Well, you can perhaps use Mephysto's comment from the linked thread in your communication with the GM, as a proof that it's still impossible at the moment to target ships with active cyno field (if due to bug) ... and use that as ground for reimbursment, i guess o.O Linkage
Pharuan	Posted - 2006.03.25 22:37:00 - [19] Originally by: MadGaz How did you do it?
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.25 22:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Pharuan Originally by: MadGaz How did you do it? probably targetting your before you activated cyno field
Helicopter Willy	Posted - 2006.03.25 23:42:00 - [21] does smartbombing work?
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.03.26 00:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Pharuan Originally by: MadGaz How did you do it? I can't keep it a secret anymore, we used hax
Pharuan	Posted - 2006.03.26 00:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Pharuan Originally by: MadGaz How did you do it? probably targetting your before you activated cyno field Can't have been that. They warped off when they saw the carrier jump in.
Kane Jacobs	Posted - 2006.03.26 00:53:00 - [24] Well, The devs will be happy to know I sure as hell wasn't bugged last time I set one up. I got promptly wasted
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.03.26 01:05:00 - [25] And so you should die. How is it a frig can come into our space, open a field and we can do nothing? - You got pwnd by us too :P - Wrangler lol - Imaran
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.26 01:12:00 - [26] Mystic, If there's a change, fine (although it's a somewhat silly situation if they can be). BUT. An unannounced change is WRONG, and any losses because of the non-annoucement should be refunded. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Tashinki	Posted - 2006.03.26 14:03:00 - [27] Bah, I really don't like that. The only problem I see is the exploiters who use cyno fields to save their ships from being destroyed. So what if someone brings a fleet of capships into a hostile system. If they wanna face hostiles without support of "regular" ships - let them. Capships are certainly not super overpowered and unbeatable. Dreads can "easily" be handled by bships and carriers can as well to a certain extend. If not by the defenders using some capships themselves. And what does it change? Just move a ship into the hostile system, make the field, jump in the ships. What does it matter if the cyno ship is killable? Hostiles won't kill it in time anyways. The way I see it, this only hurts regular moving of capships in fairly safe space, where you are almost sure to lose the cyno ship because of the 10 min inactivation. And even though you'll say fleets are needed to move capships, I think you're wrong. But what does my word mean :( Tashinki signing out
Aleis	Posted - 2006.03.26 14:51:00 - [28] I can tell you why the bug is there and it' be easy for CCP to fix, I guessing to save some time and a little coding when they decided that you can't activate modules when ruinning the cyno field, thye figured since they already had one module with that same restriction, (stealth) they'd just link Cyno field to the stealth stats. Thus they aprearently didn't follow the entire coding tree, and the cyno field picked up a few of the stealth stats like targeting and such. I think this because when the cyno is active and you try ot use a module it tells you you can't because "you are cloaked", also trying to fit a Cyno and a stealth module at the same time, gives you message when atpemting to activate one of tham that you have 2 Stealth modules equiped. Just write a seperate stats line for Cyno and Stealth, if nessesary.
Shar Gath	Posted - 2006.03.26 18:47:00 - [29] Edited by: Shar Gath on 26/03/2006 18:47:49 tbh as it is atm its a bit ridicoulus. it doesnt really matter if u are invulnurable to dmg while generating field or not, in most cases if u want to jump a capital into hostile system its equal with killing the recon ship. hostiles will get u while stucked in the field or just right after. there is rather no chance you will be able to get away. so who will use a 150mil worth ship with no insurance just to go there and die? my idea is to make it like that; while generating field you're not stucked and you can move around but you have to stay in lets say 10-15km range from the field and you can cloak. --------------- SMOKE BUD MON!!!
ClawHammer III	Posted - 2006.03.26 20:00:00 - [30] How about simply making the actual cyno field targetable and destructible and let the cyno field ship be able move, use his modules, warp, etc. Similar to the way scan probes and warp disrupt probes are deployed. Then we can do away with the whole should-the-cyno-field-ship-be-a-sitting-duck debate altogether because you will be able to collapse the enemy "beachhead" and deploy cyno fields using normal chars instead of suicide alts, not to mention making the use of force recon ships as cyno field generators a practical endeavor.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.26 21:34:00 - [31] i believe how it works is this: you cannot be locked you should be able to be you are not invulnerable ohnoes smartbombs sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:16:00 - [32] Originally by: Burga Galti Who is going to want to use a 160mil recon ship for setting up cyno fields if it's just going to be a sitting duck? Because that 160mil ship will be able to make the field while cloaked once it's working properly? Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:20:00 - [33] Originally by: HippoKing i believe how it works is this: ohnoes smartbombs Now all we need is for people ot carry a large smartbomb or 2 on their BS when going after a cyno field, and prolem solved. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
F4ze	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:44:00 - [34] The whole story seems to be one of unintented features due to bad implementation. Recon ships get a bonus for both a cyno generator and a cloak but they can't use either if both are fitted. Generating a cyno has the same effects of being cloaked. This needs fixing.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:51:00 - [35] how about auto-targeter or passive targeter? ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Darmed Khan	Posted - 2006.03.27 00:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Burga Galti Who is going to want to use a 160mil recon ship for setting up cyno fields if it's just going to be a sitting duck? Because that 160mil ship will be able to make the field while cloaked once it's working properly? And then get decloaked when a capital ship lands next to it? ----------------------------
Khonsu	Posted - 2006.03.27 00:48:00 - [37] Guys, did it ever cross your mind to get some SUPPORT for your carrier/cyno ship when moving it? Do you want to just sneak carriers in unnoticed and unhindered?
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.27 01:14:00 - [38] ...You cannot protect ships. No amount of "escort" is gonna work. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Draaken	Posted - 2006.04.01 12:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Burga Galti Who is going to want to use a 160mil recon ship for setting up cyno fields if it's just going to be a sitting duck? Because that 160mil ship will be able to make the field while cloaked once it's working properly? Technically, the cyno field opening is a "beacon" (thus everyone in system can warp to it), so it would automatically decloak anything within 2000m as per the usual cloaking rules. So meh. ____________________ first!!1!! -Capsicum
Aleis	Posted - 2006.04.02 15:21:00 - [40] theres another way of looking at this, that icon that shows up on the overview might just mean "HOLY BIG SHIP OF DOOM! WILL BE SHOWING UOP HERE!" or more, as their could be 3-4 dreads and carriers waiting for that cyno field so they can jump in. I doubt the generating ship has much to worry about once the "Support" arives. The bad guys will have bigger problems to deal with.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.02 15:47:00 - [41] ...? You can't stop the "bad gugy" lomg range BS's warping in, smacking rhe field gen then leaving. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Tauruz	Posted - 2006.04.02 16:13:00 - [42] Why would you activate a cyno field that isn't at a safe spot?
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.02 16:22:00 - [43] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 02/04/2006 16:22:37 Ah, looks like you missed a crucial fact: It dosn't matter if you are. You create a beacon anyone in the system can warp to. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Malacore	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:46:00 - [44] Now maybe its just me... but wouldn't the fact of a ship making a cynosural field (presumably to jump in the bigger ships) being able to be locked and destroyed be counter-intuitive to the concept of ships such as carriers or motherships? Why bother making a cynosural field to bring in a mothership or a carrier to aid in a fight, when you have to have already secured the system anyway so the field doesn't get destroyed?
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:51:00 - [45] Or do it this way: 1. Use a frigate to make the field. 2. Lock frigate with a BS 3. Jump 4. Destroy frigate Field was only up for a few seconds, and hardly anyone will have time to warp to it. But yes, its stupid Malacore. The invulnrability issue can be dealt with by a retrigering timer on the field. (say 30s before you can fire it off asfter the end of a cycle). "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:56:00 - [46] Since when is GM info accurate? ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:45:00 - [47] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Since when is GM info accurate? GMs I wouldn't count on for 100% but Mephysto... you can be pretty sure he's got it right. As in 200% sure. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Khan IX	Posted - 2006.04.08 22:19:00 - [48] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Since when is GM info accurate? GMs I wouldn't count on for 100% but Mephysto... you can be pretty sure he's got it right. As in 200% sure. Allright - so lets assume Mephysto is the central point of truth in this. This would imply : You CAN indeed be targetted as your Cynosural module is activated. Lets let aside that no single player I know knows how to do this. So - as you can be targetted your gangmates ALSO should be able to do so and use the carrier bonus for e.g. remote shield or even armor reppers. AND furthermore Mephystos post implies that your ship may use e.g. JAMMERS to defend itself against the vile attackers that try to slaugher the sitting duck - aka you - Both is currently impossible. Conclusion: BUG hitting the player here, costing 100 Million or more in ISK. Reaction: Listing that at least in Known Issues which at time of this posting it is not and fixing at their earliest convenience. First posts on this forum go back to late 2005 so I suppose there was at least one petition here that would warrant a putting into fix queue and reflecting this on Known Issues. Khan

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