What EVE needs is a Goonswarm/TEST like alliance that puts rifters in newbie hands and teaches them how to live in Nullsec, but one that would actually recruit newbies off of the recruitment channel.

WOW is full of 10 year old kids that cry, want their mommy, want to have their skills handed to them on a silver platter, and never lose them, its easy and fun for their little minds, bright colors and cartoonish atmosphere.

EvE is an entirely different banana

you mean like Agony Unleashed or Eve-Uni?

you mean like Agony Unleashed or Eve-Uni?

Wow has more than 11 million subscribers, roughly 20 times more than Eve.

I believe CCP should develop Eve to appeal more to instant gratification, casual player audiences while retaining the raw brutal environments that it has. Not everyone wants to dabble with death on a daily basis. Nor do many people have the time that some aspects of Eve require.

In no way could this possibly detract from null or w-space or losec. If done right, it wouldn't even diminish current lulz mechanics people use in hisec for the lulz. Instant action arenas where one pays isk, plex, aur, cash, whatever to battle it out in any ship they want with no penalty, no gain other than experience. The biggest obstacle preventing people from going to dangerous areas of space, imo, is the fear/grind factor: They're scared to lose their hard earn ships/equipment because they had to grind their ass off to get it. Instant action arenas would be a training ground of sorts that allow people to learn what their hardware can/can't do. It would actually breed confidence enriching the pvp experience throughout eve.

I don't believe making hisec safer isn't a bad thing either. There should always be a means to grief/gank people but, certainly shouldn't be as easy as it is. Maybe make the penalties for such behavior more severe while relaxing concords abilities so that the offender might more often be "chased" off rather than blown up. Who knows....could be fun being "chased" by concord from system to system until you're out of the system/region/constellation. *shrugs*.

If the owner of said Italian restaurant were to also throw in a bottle of '93 Chablis with your meal, it might also attract lovers of '93 Chablis to the restaurant and the owner can drive an Aston Martin instead.

Im just feeding the troll that the OP is, but ill form a reply anyway.

Wow is full of 10 year old kids that cry, want their mommy, want to have their skills handed to them on a silver platter, and never lose them, its easy and fun for their little minds, bright colors and cartoonish atmosphere.

EvE is an entirely different banana, if it was just like wow, and if it marketed, just like wow, and was full of even more whiny players like WoW, well then why would any one buy eve instead of wow?

Its to late to be like wow, you have to be something their not, cater to a deferent age group, maybe even a different community.

You keep saying eve needs to evolve; yet your suggesting it be dumbed down even further. Now if you where to evolve into dolphin, you might just become a sexier, maybe even smarter individual, but that doesnGÇÖt mean you could ever truly be as awesome as one.

RLY

But your proposal isn't a '93 chablis, it's diet 7up cut with Everclear.

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OP is not troll.

And Eve is full of 30 year old kids that cry, want their mommy, want to have their skills handed to them on a silver platter, and never lose them, its easy and fun for their little minds, bright colors and cartoonish atmosphere.

^^^^ They're called gankers.

Is an example of a different banana a red banana?

Nor did I say Eve needs to "become" Wow so it's not too late for anything. I might however be suggesting that certain "wowlike" characteristics seem to be creeping in.

I didn't say Eve needs to evolve either. I asked "Does it need to evolve?"

In fact, my OP is asking whether "a wowlike evolution" is actually happening and whilst I sort of have an opinion on what I'd like, I'm not actually suggesting it should be anything.

But I am asking if it is evolving. Is the Salami Slice approach already in effect with things like the removal of ganking insurance for example?

There is only one MMO that fails to give a crap about WOW. EVE is the one.

Look at this frakking chart

There is only ONE.

One MMO where subs grow at a nearly constant linear rate. One MMO that is not either kiddy stuff (Dofus, Runescape) or a WOW clone.

That MMO is EVE.

Now look at the WOW clones/killlers like Age of Conan and Warhammer Online.

Now back at EVE.

There is only one MMO that fails to give a crap about WOW. EVE is the one.

That used to be true but now that CCP is feeling some financial pressure I think they would *love* little piece of the WoW pie.

Not a lot to be read in that. There are games that are almost vertical in ascension and still growing.

I also note that Wow isn't on the chart either so where your comparison comes from eludes me.

More people listen to Justin Beiber than Stravinsky. Does that mean Beiber is better?

Find a game that's vertical in ascension that is not either:

-Kiddy stuff (Dofus, maplestory, etc)
-Not a game (Second Life)
-Asia-focused (Lineage, Aion)

You can't because that would be lying. And that's horrible.

The music store provides both. They also have Slash, Black Sabbath, Beethoven and Marina Pryor.

The more options, the greater the sales don't you think?

Note: I am replying to the OP, and have not read anything else in the thread.

WoW is a fantasy game, based upon a series that has been around for a long time and had a large fanbase before WoW came to exist.

EVE is a scifi game (low profitability in general), and did not have a previous product to draw fans from.

So really, EVE has come much further than WoW ever did.

I'm not sure how well WoW would do if it wasn't for its original fanbase and the obsession with fantasy.

Personally, I would be content with EVE having 50k-100k active players. Enough to make CCP money, not too much to make space too crowded (though at 100k it would be pretty bad in the hubs).

And you stated "There is only one MMO that fails to give a crap about WOW. EVE is the one."

Wow isn't even on the chart.

That's lying. And that's horrible.

They would make even more money if they started pedeling meth out back aswell, The more options, the greater the sales don't you think?

And that is not going to happen if we keep being blind to what Eve COULD be if we diffused some of the myths and stubborness around things like suicide ganking as being "neccessary" to maintain the playerbase.

Wow is on the 1-12million chart with the asian MMOS and kiddy **** (Runescape)
CHART

And you stated "There is only one MMO that fails to give a crap about WOW. EVE is the one."

Wow isn't even on the chart.

That's lying. And that's horrible.