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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1019
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:30:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: You missed the part that he said that subbed grew when EVE was more hostile, many years ago. And as safeness was added (starting with the Concord buff if I remember right), sub rate decreased.
Pretty much, you missed his whole post.
NBS
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:31:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:Oh **** off. The changes being suggested are minor mechanic changes and would cost a few bucks at best. They STOPPED the massive new development that MAY have brought in new subs in a big way. rofl...completely removing suicide ganking is more than a "minor mechanic change". How long have you been playing Eve? lol. How long you been playing Eve? Here's an example. CCP NEWS Gentlemen, killing an unarmed vessel in highsec is now considered an exploit if done without using wardec or aggression mechanics. Any player doing this will be temp banned and then permabanned if they repeat the offense. At $50 per hour, that's a total cost of about $0.80c And how many things have been announced thus in Eve's history? Except that couldn't be done. Right now, ganking is allowed (and through the method of allowment ie mild penalties, encouraged as a gameplay option) and more than a simple exploit declaration would be needed. In fact if they went this route, a lot of people would rage quit... and a few would probably burn down CCP headquarters (mild exaggeration, meant as a joke for those who cannot tell). The example was of how it COULD be done, not what should be done. I was responding to how easy it would be to change if CCP really wanted to. A single paragraph would create the same effect as making code changes and CCP HAS done this MANY times before. It's a simple case of the definition of an exploit or flawed mechanic.
Recent example is decshields. No code change, no fanfair, no massive ragequits. CCP effectively stomped all wardecs for a huge majority of players that relied on being able to dec based on what was once an "exploit".
As for "lots" ragequitting, I'm not so sure. Perhaps the gankers would be pissed and fair enough but I'm betting the vast majority of highsec would rejoice or shrug and the majority of 0.0 would just shrug. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1019
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:33:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:K Suri wrote:Malcanis wrote: But historically, EVE grew consistently despite being even more "hostile" than it is now. If anything, the correlation is that making hi-sec safer = slower growth.
You contradicted yourself. Highsec has been made safer over time and subs grew. Nullsec is about to be made safer and potentially highsec as well. The former was to keep the playerbase, the latter may be to retain and grow the playerbase. There is no contradiction. He did not say growth stopped, he said growth slowed, which is 100% accurate. As always, correlation does not equal causation, but using only correlation what he said is accurate. wtf? EVE grew consistently despite being even more "hostile" than it is nowHe said subs GREW despite more "safeness" being added. What bit did I get wrong?
That as more safety has been added, the rate of sub increase has slowed. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the assertion that making hi-sec safer will make EVE more popular. You suppose it will because of your preconceived notions about what makes people play EVE in the first place, but you've ignored the actual data. EVE grew fastest while it was more dangerous. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:35:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:Oh **** off. The changes being suggested are minor mechanic changes and would cost a few bucks at best. They STOPPED the massive new development that MAY have brought in new subs in a big way. rofl...completely removing suicide ganking is more than a "minor mechanic change". How long have you been playing Eve? lol. How long you been playing Eve? Here's an example. CCP NEWS Gentlemen, killing an unarmed vessel in highsec is now considered an exploit if done without using wardec or aggression mechanics. Any player doing this will be temp banned and then permabanned if they repeat the offense. At $50 per hour, that's a total cost of about $0.80c And how many things have been announced thus in Eve's history? OK but if that's the case, the unarmed vessel can't be participating in any PVP activities either. No mining, no transporting, no missioning (except for no LP or ISK), no trading, no plexing, no incursions. Doing any of thise activities will now earn an aggression timer. In short, you're an idiot. And for the long-term, you're a ******* moron.
So wardecs aren't allowed? Infiltration of corp and internal killing not allowed?
I've ALSO said - moron - that it WOULD require boosts to the wardec mechanics and the removal of the ability to hop corps and stay in NPC making the likelihood of PvP a GREATER possibility. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:38:00 -
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Unless the boost is everyone can wardec everyone for free with no timer, your ideas are as useful as what my dog left on the lawn this morning, as are all your horrible ramblings. Idiot. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:40:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Unless the boost is everyone can wardec everyone for free with no timer, your ideas are as useful as what my dog left on the lawn this morning, as are all your horrible ramblings. Idiot. You just don't understand his brilliant theories. If CCP just threw in the towel and completely changed the tone and mechanics of the game then Eve would have 11 million subscribers overnight. It's just us old bitter vets keeping this from happening.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:41:00 -
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K Suri wrote:And for the long-term, you're a ******* moron.
So wardecs aren't allowed? Infiltration of corp and internal killing not allowed?
I've ALSO said - moron - that it WOULD require boosts to the wardec mechanics and the removal of the ability to hop corps and stay in NPC making the likelihood of PvP a GREATER possibility. I love how in all of your threads when you realize you're losing the argument you resort to name calling. I have a six year old nephew who does the same thing and it's adorable. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:42:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:K Suri wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:K Suri wrote:Malcanis wrote: But historically, EVE grew consistently despite being even more "hostile" than it is now. If anything, the correlation is that making hi-sec safer = slower growth.
You contradicted yourself. Highsec has been made safer over time and subs grew. Nullsec is about to be made safer and potentially highsec as well. The former was to keep the playerbase, the latter may be to retain and grow the playerbase. There is no contradiction. He did not say growth stopped, he said growth slowed, which is 100% accurate. As always, correlation does not equal causation, but using only correlation what he said is accurate. wtf? EVE grew consistently despite being even more "hostile" than it is nowHe said subs GREW despite more "safeness" being added. What bit did I get wrong? That as more safety has been added, the rate of sub increase has slowed. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the assertion that making hi-sec safer will make EVE more popular. You suppose it will because of your preconceived notions about what makes people play EVE in the first place, but you've ignored the actual data. EVE grew fastest while it was more dangerous. But it still grew - albeit slower and it's been said - causation is the question. I'm trying to point out that more recent sub slowdown has NO relation to "safe space" because NOTHING has happened for a very long time to cause it.
There have been MANY other factors that have reduced subs, notwithstanding WiS etc. and for all we know, the slow increase may in fact be offsetting losses because highsec is safer? Who knows?
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K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:45:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Unless the boost is everyone can wardec everyone for free with no timer, your ideas are as useful as what my dog left on the lawn this morning, as are all your horrible ramblings. Idiot. Why does the timer need to be removed? If you CANNOT leave the corp on a declaration a removal of a timer is not neccessary.
As for what your dog left on the lawn, since we're going down this personal attack road, perhaps your dog grabbed you by the collar and dragged you outside. Just how big is the pile of **** on your lawn? |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:47:00 -
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K Suri wrote:since we're going down this personal attack road ohgod the irony
CCP just lock the thread now...it's never going to get better than this.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:47:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:And for the long-term, you're a ******* moron.
So wardecs aren't allowed? Infiltration of corp and internal killing not allowed?
I've ALSO said - moron - that it WOULD require boosts to the wardec mechanics and the removal of the ability to hop corps and stay in NPC making the likelihood of PvP a GREATER possibility. I love how in all of your threads when you realize you're losing the argument you resort to name calling. I have a six year old nephew who does the same thing and it's adorable. Clever omission of where the name calling started from. You're starting your usual slide from intelligible to terrible once exhausted don't ya know. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
20
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:48:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:And for the long-term, you're a ******* moron.
So wardecs aren't allowed? Infiltration of corp and internal killing not allowed?
I've ALSO said - moron - that it WOULD require boosts to the wardec mechanics and the removal of the ability to hop corps and stay in NPC making the likelihood of PvP a GREATER possibility. I love how in all of your threads when you realize you're losing the argument you resort to name calling. I have a six year old nephew who does the same thing and it's adorable. Clever omission of where the name calling started from. You're starting your usual slide from intelligible to terrible once exhausted don't ya know. Resorting to name calling after someone else does makes you look even less mature than doing so once you have run out of arguments. |

K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:48:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:since we're going down this personal attack road ohgod the irony CCP just lock the thread now...it's never going to get better than this. The usual request after you **** a thread. |

K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 03:54:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:And for the long-term, you're a ******* moron.
So wardecs aren't allowed? Infiltration of corp and internal killing not allowed?
I've ALSO said - moron - that it WOULD require boosts to the wardec mechanics and the removal of the ability to hop corps and stay in NPC making the likelihood of PvP a GREATER possibility. I love how in all of your threads when you realize you're losing the argument you resort to name calling. I have a six year old nephew who does the same thing and it's adorable. Clever omission of where the name calling started from. You're starting your usual slide from intelligible to terrible once exhausted don't ya know. Resorting to name calling after someone else does makes you look even less mature than doing so once you have run out of arguments. Oh my. You're expecting me to follow some quaint morality line as I get trolled by people who obviously don't want topics like this discussed.
And that's exactly how they keep getting sticky subjects they don't like debunked. That's exactly how and why people get sick to death of trying to discuss stuff and that's exactly why, over time, the only ones left on Eve forums all agree with each other and CCP sees it as a consensus.
Good to see you fall for the tactic too.
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Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
44
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:03:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Oh my. You're expecting me to follow some quaint morality line as I get trolled by people who obviously don't want topics like this discussed.
And that's exactly how they keep getting sticky subjects they don't like debunked. That's exactly how and why people get sick to death of trying to discuss stuff and that's exactly why, over time, the only ones left on Eve forums all agree with each other and CCP sees it as a consensus. But there is consensus: players who play Eve in the original spirit of the game do not support the sterilization of it.
And:
Quote:Would CCP be doing good for business by making areas - such as high-sec - a safer place to nurture and establish new players and corporations? You aren't "nurturing" anyone in this game if you make this game easier, you're just setting them up for failure if they ever decide to try the 90% of this game that isn't high sec carebearing. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
20
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:07:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:K Suri wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:K Suri wrote:And for the long-term, you're a ******* moron.
So wardecs aren't allowed? Infiltration of corp and internal killing not allowed?
I've ALSO said - moron - that it WOULD require boosts to the wardec mechanics and the removal of the ability to hop corps and stay in NPC making the likelihood of PvP a GREATER possibility. I love how in all of your threads when you realize you're losing the argument you resort to name calling. I have a six year old nephew who does the same thing and it's adorable. Clever omission of where the name calling started from. You're starting your usual slide from intelligible to terrible once exhausted don't ya know. Resorting to name calling after someone else does makes you look even less mature than doing so once you have run out of arguments. Oh my. You're expecting me to follow some quaint morality line as I get trolled by people who obviously don't want topics like this discussed. And that's exactly how they keep getting sticky subjects they don't like debunked. That's exactly how and why people get sick to death of trying to discuss stuff and that's exactly why, over time, the only ones left on Eve forums all agree with each other and CCP sees it as a consensus. Good to see you fall for the tactic too. No, I expect you to provide supporting evidence for your arguments, while the ones going with personal attacks get seen for the fools they are, thereby allowing you to gain support.
I love when topics like this get discussed/debated, but not when people can't come up with arguments with anything to support them and so they resort to name calling and stupidity. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:10:00 -
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K Suri wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Unless the boost is everyone can wardec everyone for free with no timer, your ideas are as useful as what my dog left on the lawn this morning, as are all your horrible ramblings. Idiot. Why does the timer need to be removed? If you CANNOT leave the corp on a declaration a removal of a timer is not neccessary. As for what your dog left on the lawn, since we're going down this personal attack road, perhaps your dog grabbed you by the collar and dragged you outside. Just how big is the pile of **** on your lawn?
You appear to be mad, sir. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
745
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:12:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: No, I expect you to provide supporting evidence for your arguments,
If you check his post history you'll find that he doesn't like to bother with trivialities like evidence or logic.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
20
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:15:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Corina Jarr wrote: No, I expect you to provide supporting evidence for your arguments,
If you check his post history you'll find that he doesn't like to bother with trivialities like evidence or logic. I try to avoid being biased against the person I debate with, and let each thread be its own. |

K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:26:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: I love when topics like this get discussed/debated, but not when people can't come up with arguments with anything to support them and so they resort to name calling and stupidity.
And of course, it was being discussed/debated until the name calling started. I was not the guilty party. So yes, let's all succumb to hijacked threads and make our own apologies for THEIR behaviour.
And while you are so affording of conciliatory posts, go back and look at the number of times any of the Deklein Co boys **** up threads and forum members are forced to back off by being conciliatory to SAVE the thread for discussion.
All too common and CCP has NEVER stopped them. Perhaps this is another thread for another day. |

K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:31:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:No, I expect you to provide supporting evidence for your arguments, while the ones going with personal attacks get seen for the fools they are, thereby allowing you to gain support.
I love when topics like this get discussed/debated, but not when people can't come up with arguments with anything to support them and so they resort to name calling and stupidity. Did you mean like this?
Post #772 Suicide gank topic.
Corina Jarr wrote:Learn the game before you go off and sound like a moron (too late but try for next time).
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
746
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:38:00 -
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When I was a young harlot the axe murderer who raised me always used to say, "Two wrongs make a right!" The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
20
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:42:00 -
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K Suri wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:No, I expect you to provide supporting evidence for your arguments, while the ones going with personal attacks get seen for the fools they are, thereby allowing you to gain support.
I love when topics like this get discussed/debated, but not when people can't come up with arguments with anything to support them and so they resort to name calling and stupidity. Did you mean like this? Post #772 Suicide gank topic. Corina Jarr wrote:Learn the game before you go off and sound like a moron (too late but try for next time). Not only was his posting terrible (very hard to understand at times), but he was acting like a five year old in his continual "you LIE!!" manner. He was looking like a moron, so I called him on it. I'm not perfect.
And if you notice, I followed it up with actual arguments. I didn't leave it at that. |

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Black Watch.
25
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Posted - 2011.11.09 04:58:00 -
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I know its a bad idea to post in general discussion,yet i cant resist...
From what im seeing is that some people feel that WOW has a larger playerbase and appears more attractive because of the fact that it is very..safe with very little consequenses. I wont say that there is no truth in this but you need to consider the fact that WOW is using a completely different..style. You go from elfs and goblins to space ships. In general you will find that there is many people out there that can enjoy this kind of gameplay,story and characters, while there are a lot less that even like the idea of spaceships.
Now you have to consider the diffense between the type of person who would play WOW against the general EVE player. Most EVE players are in their 20's and up. Most WOW players are 13 and up. Teenagers simply do not (in general) have the patience to play a game that is as complex as EVE is. They need a game where they can shift-click on an item,see that its better and throw it on and thats as advanced as they want to get. If they go into a raid or instance and die they want to get out before their repair bill goes over 30 gold. Why waste time on something if your going to loose stuff?
The same thing can be seen over and over again. In general WOW players want something that is fast and easy. Everything from the market,to getting gear,to joining and leaving guilds,leveling 6 alts,or just sitting telling bad jokes and trash talking in trade chat because you know there is no consequense.Heck look at guild bank thefts. If someone steals your stuff it will just be reimbursed so no need to worry about who you recruit or what aces they have. And if something dosent go your way? Ohh boy ragequit and change servers and tell everyone how good you where on your previus one 
In EVE you cant escape your bad reputation. Your stuck with it unless your willing to start over. Yes i realize you can buy a character but then you have to think what reputation that person had.
So..What im trying to say is that sure,EVE MIGHT attract more players if there where locations where they could do whatever they wanted and not have to worry,but it would be a different kind of players,and it would be the start of changing EVE into...well..WOW in space.
I know that i for one wouldent like to see this happen. CCP made walking in station a realety to make the game more attractive to a different kind of player,and thats as far as they should go with altering the basics of the game. Let EVE be rough,atleast thats the EVE i fell in love with. The number of players will never be the same as WOW,but atleast it will be a game where you dont just mindlessly run around for a few hours before you go to bed smiling because you killed a raid boss for the 6th time.
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Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2011.11.09 05:05:00 -
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Selling Swift Zulian Tiger, 5 plex ONO. |

Renturu
Tribal Spirit Tribal Unity Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 05:09:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:K Suri wrote:
Does Eve need to evolve, in some areas, to be more effective for CCP economically? Is this the plan?
Food for thought.
Speaking of food, McDonalds has over 25,000 restaurants in the world and feeds at least 46 million people per day. They are a publicly traded corporation that took in 26.4 billion dollars last quarter. On the other hand my favorite Italian restaurant probably feeds 100 people a day and makes far less money than McDonalds. They only have 1 location. But the food is always fresh, the octopus is divine, as is the wild berry salad, the rosemary foccacia, and the saffron scallop fettucini. And you know what? I like going there much more than I like McDonalds. They don't make billions per quarter, but the owner has a 500 series Mercedes. I'm sorry what was your point again?
#win
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Richard Aiel
Point of No Return Waterboard
31
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Posted - 2011.11.09 05:11:00 -
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Ann133566 wrote:Let me ask you this. Is it wrong not to be WoW?
According to BioWare, yes
Quote:Greg Zeschuk, co-founder of Bioware said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb."
"If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |

Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
35
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Posted - 2011.11.09 05:12:00 -
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Richard Aiel wrote:Ann133566 wrote:Let me ask you this. Is it wrong not to be WoW? According to BioWare, yes Quote:Greg Zeschuk, co-founder of Bioware said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb."
Respect status: lost.
You can't beat WOW at its own game. The hero you're stuck with anyways. |

Russell Casey
One Ton Reverberation Project
72
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Posted - 2011.11.09 05:13:00 -
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It's popular and successful, therefore it sucks.
Back in the old days, and I mean pre-BC, WoW was pretty cool. People went out and did crazy stuff like raiding capital cities and kiting bosses into market areas just for lolz, not for achievements and costume pieces like they do now. You had world pvp for its own sake and people had to actually work together and deal with failure when they went to run dungeons and raids.
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Richard Aiel
Point of No Return Waterboard
31
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Posted - 2011.11.09 05:14:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Ann133566 wrote:Let me ask you this. Is it wrong not to be WoW? According to BioWare, yes Quote:Greg Zeschuk, co-founder of Bioware said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb." Respect status: lost. You can't beat WOW at its own game.
Yeah why you think Im avoiding SWTOR Im in the beta, but it got uninstalled.
Russell Casey wrote:It's popular and successful, therefore it sucks.
Back in the old days, and I mean pre-BC, WoW was pretty cool. People went out and did crazy stuff like raiding capital cities and kiting bosses into market areas just for lolz, not for achievements and costume pieces like they do now. You had world pvp for its own sake and people had to actually work together and deal with failure when they went to run dungeons and raids.
I saw an article that theyre thinking of putting in progression servers "If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |
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