Guys, patience, you obviously care about Jonas and he needs time to form his words....

Give him that.

Guys, patience, you obviously care about Jonas and he needs time to form his words....

Give him that.

You have all the time you need Jonas, no pressure man

Go ahead.

Can you counter Estella's point?
So far I've been with you until she raised this.
I don't want my mission turning into a free-for-all for high-sec pvpers!

I am confused.

Really??

He means he agreed with you, up until someone raised the issue of lots of people using his mission for a pvp brawl.

Guys, it is important that Jonas speak so I know what he is saying and what his understanding is.

Did you read and understand the whole original post and the thread as your statement suggests, Jonas?

I have explained my understanding of youre suggestion!
These are my first posts on eve forums because of your post on missioner forums. I read this thread on the features forums and i undestand that you suggest suspecting players who warp to mission because they are going to theif the loot. At first i agree with this but mercs and vigilants can also come in to shoot the theifs. they will mess the mission up.
Please can you think of a way of avoiding this?

I have explained my understanding of youre suggestion!
These are my first posts on eve forums because of your post on missioner forums. I read this thread on the features forums and i undestand that you suggest suspecting players who warp to mission because they are going to theif the loot. At first i agree with this but mercs and vigilants can also come in to shoot the theifs. they will mess the mission up.
Please can you think of a way of avoiding this?

You keep answering my question with quesitons. I dont believe you have an answer.
I have thought about this and I think everything is ok as it is. I only ever see 1 theif in my missions and he went away after a while.

There is no deception here. The proposal is flawed. Accept it, and figure something else out.

Seriously, PVPers would love your proposal as it would give them another way to possibly inflict unwanted PVP onto hisec carebears.

Will you answer the question eventually Abdul 'aleem?

Guys, please.

Abdul is clearly just a garden variety troll. Stop feeding him.

He isn't going to answer any questions about his proposal, because his proposal actively facilitates the exact type of abuse being described. It would result in nothing but trouble and increased problems for mission runners in several ways, none of which he will accept or claim to understand.

He will continue to pretend like he is the only one capable of understanding his 'proofs' despite the fact that they have absolutely nothing to do with the concept of ownership in EVE. No argument will sway him, and he will keep parroting the tired and clearly false dogma that has pushed this thread to 20+ pages. The guy that argues for separating all high sec regions of each faction with low sec and killing half of all commerce in the game is more reasonable and well meaning.

He will continue to discount any suggestion that actually addresses his claimed problem, because stealing mission objectives isn't his real concern. He wants to troll, and that's about it. Anything from mission resets to a simply making mission objectives in battleship class missions take up 500m3+ cargo space would solve every stated problem he has, but he does not want to discuss that, because it would solve his 'problem' and he would be without a source of troll-fodder.

You cannot, under any circumstances, engage him in any sort of meaningful discussion on the subject, because as soon as your logic starts to contradict his trolling he will back out and resort to either tired dogmatic arguments that have nothing to do with the topic under discussion, or name calling.

This thread has been done from about 3 posts in. Please just let it die the agonizing death it deserves.

Wow. I'm an alt now. Obviously you know nothing about this game. Search me on EVE Killboards or the Battleclinic killboards and you will find this is not an alt.

Your just mad that your proposal was easily found to be flawed.

..."pirates" can easily break forum rules...

Let's see if I can make this very simple. People who scan down a mission runner and warp to the mission become suspect per Abdul's proposal. Going by this, that means groups of people can do this and use the mission site as defacto PVP arenas. They will obviously want to get the mission rats out of the way as they will just provide a unwanted distraction. In so doing that will cause mission triggers to effed up, and if there is a mission specific rat that drops a completion item; then the loot will be owned by the person who got the final blow on the rat. If that person is not the person running the mission, then he has to run the risk of stealing the loot and becoming suspect himself.

Also, what if the person running the missions pretends to cry for support in local and several people respond? What if said person invites them to fleet, and then said person kicks them from fleet while they are in warp to the mission site? Will they become suspect per this proposal? Let's say they arrive on field and are suspect. They find to their dismay when they arrive that the mission runner is actually a PVPer who tricked them into the coming, and he has support. PVP ensues.

Congratulations you have just created several ways to ruin the missioning experience!

It hurts no missioner because they never have to attack.

And, the missioner will always have Concord protection until they do attack.

If a suspect flag is applied to mission invaders, as is suggested, the invader could be killed by anyone who accepts the missioner's fleet invite and comes to assist.

The missioner never has to attack. They just have that option immediately and everyone else in game does too.

Many others disagree with you but thanks for your opinion.

Thanks again Daichi Yamato (known ganker/griefer/"pirate" and/or thief)!

looks like more ppl disagree with you



if i was actually a known ganker/griefer/pirate and/or thief, wouldnt u be able to tell everyone which of the mentioned i was without using such indeterminate terminology as 'and/or'??

The reason ppl are criticizing your feature request is not because they are scared. Its because it makes no sense really, and it promotes a detrimental mentality to the most important aspects of this game. Player innovation and interaction.