It does not need to allow squad warping.

If you take a mission, hand the waypoint to a PvP alt, and have that alt form a greifing gank fleet he can just sit in the pocket and kill anyone else who joins his fleet and warps to the mission as he likes.

In EVE, one always has to account for the abusive use of Alts.

Not if someone shoots at me, which is now far more likely due to being auto-canflipped.

Not if someone shoots at me, which is now far more likely due to being auto-canflipped.

How does this change prevent you from losing every single ship in a suicide gank? I've been suiciding for a long time now, longer than that character has existed and I don't know how this could change the dynamic from today. You can still bait people by stealing from a wreck to force suspect, this change wouldn't make it any different. You still get concorded if you attack them, suspect or not.

Ships are exploding around them that aren't theirs. Oh no! Looks like I can't finish this mission. Wouldn't want any stray bullets/lasers to hit my ship. Oh wait, that doesn't happen in eve. If anything, it would make the mission even easier than it already is because the rats would shoot players using webs, scrams and other ewar as that tends to draw a lot of hate from npcs.

The only difference between now and this proposed system is it takes the choice of being suspect out of your hands.

So you know that your post is wrong and that you are spreading misinformation. You may want to edit it.

Because people are more likely to shoot at suspects. That is the whole point of this change, right?


Mission triggers, mission items etc. You'd have to ask the mission runners who presented these concerns for more details.

The whole point of your stupid idea is to make it more likely that people will shoot suspects. Now you're saying people won't shoot suspects. WTF is wrong with you?

The whole point of your stupid idea is to make it more likely that people will shoot suspects. Now your saying people won't shoot suspects. WTF is wrong with you?

Mission bears won't shoot suspects. Players who pose as mission bears setting up traps for griefers will shoot suspects. This is where the fun is.

They are not more likely to shoot you at all. Ever since the safety change the accidental deaths due to engaging can thieves has plummeted. It's not worth my time to go into mission pockets and dance around flagged waiting for them to shoot me so I can warp in my logi and break their stuff.

Wow. I never even considered the option for someone to accept a mission with the sole intention of killing mission invaders/griefers for sport.

This is yet another added bonus of the suspect flag suggestion.

Thank you for pointing it out

I'm not talking about can-flipping, I'm talking about suicide ganking. If mission runners aren't going to shoot me, then what is the point of this change? So vigilantes can shoot me? Well they can already shoot me right after I've legitimately committed a crime.

You missed the previous post where it is clearly stated that some players will be able to accept missions for the sole intention to counter-gank any mission invaders/grifers who show up.

I'm not talking about can-flipping, I'm talking about suicide ganking. If mission runners aren't going to shoot me, then what is the point of this change? So vigilantes can shoot me? Well they can already shoot me right after I've legitimately committed a crime.

They can do that already without bypassing game mechanics.

They can do that already without bypassing game mechanics.

The point of the entire topic is to MAKE it a game mechanic. They wouldn't be bypassing anything.

This allows for proactive action rather than reactive. It could even be by the mission runner themselves. Alt account in a recon, locks you down as his mission ship warps out, comes back in a pvp ship. Obviously most mission runners are too risk adverse to do this but you would at least run the risk of annoying someone who uses missioning to make isk on the side for pvp, or as stated before, traps.

But a suspect flag makes it legal to kill the invader immediately, which they cannot do now.

This allows for proactive action rather than reactive. It could even be by the mission runner themselves. Alt account in a recon, locks you down as his mission ship warps out, comes back in a pvp ship. Obviously most mission runners are too risk adverse to do this but you would at least run the risk of annoying someone who uses missioning to make isk on the side for pvp, or as stated before, traps.

What's stopping people from doing this already?

DA PO-PO.

Nah.

Technically you'd be right, there is nothing stopping me from web/scramming your ship with a recon, but I'd only have about 15 seconds to kill you before concord decides to get off their doughnut break and turn my recon into scrap.

So I guess my brain is stopping me, because being ******** is not high on my list of things to do (sometimes it happens!).

DA PO-PO.

Why use a recon, when you can pop me with an ABC? Or you can wait until I go suspect and tackle me with an interceptor, or use combat probes to scan me down and kill me.

She knows.. she knows...

Believe me.... she knows.

Griefers will have a much harder time messing with missioners if they are flagged suspect when they invade a mission.

And, really, believe me.... she knows.....

Well, the point is to preserve the original aggressed ship instead of revenge killing. With a suicide gank, it's far too late to save the ship after they have fired, even if they are using gank talos instead of alphanados. People also don't typically go suspect on anything that isn't a mission ship, so my pvp / brick fit XYZ bait doesn't work.

I'm not looking for this change for fair fights, not even close. This is just one more way to gank some idiot with a ship, it just so happens that the idiot is on the griefer side rather than the griefed side.