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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:39:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:The mission site is created from the action of the player and for the player to complete an action IN Empire space.
I'm pretty sure the space is always there, it's just the mission objects which are created. However, they are not created especially for you. You do not have ownership of that space, it belongs to an empire faction.
Oh god. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:39:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:The mission pocket is a private space No it isn't. It's in empire space. Same answer. Yes it is? The space is created from the action of the player and for the player to complete an action IN Empire space. What system is this in again? It matters.
It's the Love Lost COSMOS mission. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
361
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:40:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:Access to the mission pocket is never restricted to anyone in this suggestion. It only makes the initiation of the theft a criminal act, and that starts with intent at the time of the warp in..
how is it a criminal act right off the bat? there is no act committed yet. Hope you don't work in law enforcement.
The player could be testing out probing skills. Innocent as lets find ship, then warp to it. Not all have dual boxed alts to test this on.
TBH I have had this issue with paranoid asshats in 0.0.
WTF, why are you probing me? Ummm....because I suck at probing ships and I am practicing. Chill, intel is clean and its dead for action now anyway.
Worried that much about it, run hard to find setups. I have a hard to find tengu. Above would not apply to me. As I know nooby noob did not jsut buy virtues (only way to find me) to give em a go day 1 of learning how to probe. If he comes in uncloaked I am actually happy he is there to flip cans. The more likely option he is a cloaked warp in for a gank squad seeing what shinies the tengu will drop.
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Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:42:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:Why should mission thieves/griefers be so scared of going criminal when they warp in? I doubt they are. Nothing would change because mission runners would still whine about not being able to fight in their PvE ships, then they'll complain and beg for more detrimental changes.
I believe they totally are.
If this suggestion is implemented, the mission thief/griefer gets the potential to PvP earlier.
If they want to be a criminal, great. Let's give that to them at the time the act is begun. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:44:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:The mission site is created from the action of the player and for the player to complete an action IN Empire space. I'm pretty sure the space is always there, it's just the mission objects which are created. However, they are not created especially for you. You do not have ownership of that space, it belongs to an empire faction.
Yes they are created especially for the mission runner at the time that the mission runner interacts with the agent.
How do you think that they are created? |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:44:00 -
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They'd just come and gank you seeing as you are also flagged as a criminal for trespassing. Oh god. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2455
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:45:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:How do you think that they are created? Mission sites are dropped in a random location in a pre-existing area. Oh god. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:47:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:They'd just come and gank you seeing as you are also flagged as a criminal for trespassing.
I think that you may not understand the original post.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3285
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:52:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:
It's the Love Lost COSMOS mission.
You may or may not be aware, but I am not known for my missioning prowess. I googled this mission, since your answer implies it is only in one system, but that did not help.
What system, in what security status of space is this mission in yuou are complaining about? I don't know how I can possibly be more clear for such a simple question. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:52:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:Access to the mission pocket is never restricted to anyone in this suggestion. It only makes the initiation of the theft a criminal act, and that starts with intent at the time of the warp in.. how is it a criminal act right off the bat? there is no act committed yet. Hope you don't work in law enforcement. The player could be testing out probing skills. Innocent as lets find ship, then warp to it. Not all have dual boxed alts to test this on. TBH I have had this issue with paranoid asshats in 0.0. WTF, why are you probing me? Ummm....because I suck at probing ships and I am practicing. Chill, intel is clean and its dead for action now anyway. Worried that much about it, run hard to find setups. I have a hard to find tengu. Above would not apply to me. As I know nooby noob did not jsut buy virtues (only way to find me) to give em a go day 1 of learning how to probe. If he comes in uncloaked I am actually happy he is there to flip cans. The more likely option he is a cloaked warp in for a gank squad seeing what shinies the tengu will drop.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/prowling/
This is one example or the legal definition and rationale. I am certain that there are many others across the globe.
As mentioned in the original post
"As mentioned, all exemptions currently in play for fleet members, WTs and other legal trespassers would remain in play and override this criminal flag.
All warnings prior to criminal acts would also apply.
In the event that a person is attempting to scan down and warp to a valid target, initiating warp to mission pocket owned by an invalid target would generate such a warning. If a valid WT is present in a non-valid target's mission pocket, the flag would warrant an override."
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2460
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:52:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:Riot Girl wrote:They'd just come and gank you seeing as you are also flagged as a criminal for trespassing. I think that you may not understand the original post. I understand that you want rules to apply to everyone else except you. Oh god. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:53:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:Riot Girl wrote:They'd just come and gank you seeing as you are also flagged as a criminal for trespassing. I think that you may not understand the original post. I understand that you want rules to apply to everyone else except you.
If you can elaborate on your accusation with maybe the basis for it, that would be helpful in moving the conversation forward. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2460
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:53:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:What, or in this case "who" triggers the event that spawns them? The server triggers the spawn, probably when the mission is accepted. Oh god. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2460
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:54:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:If you can elaborate on your accusation with maybe the basis for it, that would be helpful in moving the conversation forward. You want other players to be flagged as criminals for engaging in the same activities as you are. Oh god. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3285
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:56:00 -
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The problem here is that Riot Girl and I are using common sense, and you are looking around for an artificial rulebook, like we played some sort of ******* dragon card out of turn when you were due for it- or however you nerds play those stupid games. This is Eve.
I'll ask again, in what system, in what kind of space is this mission in? Nullsec? Lowsec? Highsec? This is a simple question. Do not make it hard. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
23
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:58:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:What, or in this case "who" triggers the event that spawns them? The server triggers the spawn, probably when the mission is accepted.
How is the mission accepted?
Is it a public action? |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
23
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:58:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:If you can elaborate on your accusation with maybe the basis for it, that would be helpful in moving the conversation forward. You want other players to be flagged as criminals for engaging in the same activities as you are.
Maybe re-read the initial post for clarity. I believe it will help. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2463
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:00:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:How is the mission accepted?
Is it a public action?
No. So what?
Abdul 'aleem wrote:Maybe re-read the initial post for clarity. I believe it will help. You want them flagged as criminals for warping to a mission site so that you can shoot them. You won't shoot them though. All that will happen is your AFK drone boat will agress the thief and they'll kill you. Then you'll come here and complain they're exploiting mechanics and stealing your mission items... so it changes nothing. Oh god. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:00:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:The problem here is that Riot Girl and I are using common sense, and you are looking around for an artificial rulebook, like we played some sort of ******* dragon card out of turn when you were due for it- or however you nerds play those stupid games. This is Eve.
I'll ask again, in what system, in what kind of space is this mission in? Nullsec? Lowsec? Highsec? This is a simple question. Do not make it hard.
I believe that your personal attacks may be in violation of the rules of this forum. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
23
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:01:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:What, or in this case "who" triggers the event that spawns them? The server triggers the spawn, probably when the mission is accepted. How is the mission accepted? Is it a public action? No. So what?
So tell me how is the spawning of the mission site triggered? |
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2463
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:04:00 -
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No. It's irrelevant. Just because you requested the server spawn a mission site, that doesn't mean you are allowed to claim ownership of it. Well actually, you are allowed to but you need the balls to enforce it, which is something you are incapable of. Oh god. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
23
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:04:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:What, or in this case "who" triggers the event that spawns them? The server triggers the spawn, probably when the mission is accepted. How is the mission accepted? Is it a public action? No. So what? So tell me how is the spawning of the mission site triggered?
Or just read my previous post explaining it. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3286
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:06:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:The problem here is that Riot Girl and I are using common sense, and you are looking around for an artificial rulebook, like we played some sort of ******* dragon card out of turn when you were due for it- or however you nerds play those stupid games. This is Eve.
I'll ask again, in what system, in what kind of space is this mission in? Nullsec? Lowsec? Highsec? This is a simple question. Do not make it hard. I believe that your personal attacks may be in violation of the rules of this forum.
It is not a personal attack. It is an attack against a broad group of people whom I dislike. And I said nerd. Does that scare you?Get real. Again, you are searching around for some rulebook. Use common sense man. Let's pretend you and your pirate are actually characters on Star Trek. Who do you think is going to play the random red shirt that we never see again? I think everyone reading this knows the answer.
Since I was refreshing and seeing more comments, I do want to apologize for one thing I missed. Obviously we are talking about high sec.
Did you ask James 315 permission first to mission in his system? Did you buy a permit, and are you playing according to the Code? See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:10:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:No. It's irrelevant. Just because you requested the server spawn a mission site, that doesn't mean you are allowed to claim ownership of it. Well actually, you are allowed to but you need the balls to enforce it, which is something you are incapable of.
It is actually quite relevant.
The fact that the site is generated as a result of a private action and as a means to complete a mission objective assigned to the person who initiated the spawning of that pocket does lead to the conclusion that the pocket can be considered to be the "property" of the person who it was spawned for.
If you need further proof, tell me how, if the owner of the pocket doesn't give away the location, anyone else can warp to it.
If it is a public space, and is intended as such, anyone at any time should be able to access it. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2464
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:13:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:If it is a public space, and is intended as such, anyone at any time should be able to access it. WELL GUESS WHAT? THEY CAN!
Oh god. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:13:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:The problem here is that Riot Girl and I are using common sense, and you are looking around for an artificial rulebook, like we played some sort of ******* dragon card out of turn when you were due for it- or however you nerds play those stupid games. This is Eve.
I'll ask again, in what system, in what kind of space is this mission in? Nullsec? Lowsec? Highsec? This is a simple question. Do not make it hard. I believe that your personal attacks may be in violation of the rules of this forum. It is not a personal attack. It is an attack against a broad group of people whom I dislike. And I said nerd. Does that scare you?Get real. Again, you are searching around for some rulebook. Use common sense man. Let's pretend you and your pirate are actually characters on Star Trek. Who do you think is going to play the random red shirt that we never see again? I think everyone reading this knows the answer. Since I was refreshing and seeing more comments, I do want to apologize for one thing I missed. Obviously we are talking about high sec. Did you ask James 315 permission first to mission in his system? Did you buy a permit, and are you playing according to the Code? *edit* You have 5 seconds remaining to respond. Are you afk?
There is a sticky post at the top of the forums entitled "Features and Ideas Rules."
I strongly suggest that you review it. It does clearly identify what you area asked to do and to refrain from doing.
I wouldn't want you to get banned for violations. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3286
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:15:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:Riot Girl wrote:No. It's irrelevant. Just because you requested the server spawn a mission site, that doesn't mean you are allowed to claim ownership of it. Well actually, you are allowed to but you need the balls to enforce it, which is something you are incapable of. It is actually quite relevant. The fact that the site is generated as a result of a private action and as a means to complete a mission objective assigned to the person who initiated the spawning of that pocket does lead to the conclusion that the pocket can be considered to be the "property" of the person who it was spawned for. If you need further proof, tell me how, if the owner of the pocket doesn't give away the location, anyone else can warp to it. If it is a public space, and is intended as such, anyone at any time should be able to access it.
Abdul 'aleem, as CEO of a CODEdot corporation, New Order agent and top shareholder, and all around good person, I hereby sentence your corporation to no less than one week of war. During this time, we shall confiscate all of your mission dolls that spawn within the confines of the Supreme Protector's space when and if we feel like it.
You can appeal this decision by citing this forum thread in an evemail to James 315 to hear your plea. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:15:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:If it is a public space, and is intended as such, anyone at any time should be able to access it. WELL GUESS WHAT? THEY CAN!
Do tell how to get to a mission pocket spawned by a missioner when, they say, do not undock and never go to that pocket? |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2465
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:19:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:If it is a public space, and is intended as such, anyone at any time should be able to access it. WELL GUESS WHAT? THEY CAN! Do tell how to get to a mission pocket spawned by a missioner when, they say, do not undock and never go to that pocket? Fine, they need the mission runner to be there. That still doesn't explain why the mission runner should be given their own pocket of space in empire.
Oh god. |
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
23
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:27:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:If it is a public space, and is intended as such, anyone at any time should be able to access it. WELL GUESS WHAT? THEY CAN! Do tell how to get to a mission pocket spawned by a missioner when, they say, do not undock and never go to that pocket? Fine, they need the mission runner to be there. That still doesn't explain why the mission runner should be given their own pocket of space in empire.
That mechanic was put in place by CCP when they created the missioning system.
I will grant you this: it is also intended for people to be able to invade that private space.
I am not trying to in any way change that.
The only thing that I am advocating is that the criminal flag be triggered when the actual criminal act is started, which in the case of mission item theft/griefing is when the decision is made to warp into and invade the private mission pocket generated for the mission runner.
This suggestion takes absolutely nothing away from the ability to trespass or steal a mission item, and it isn't intended to.
As I mentioned, it is really only to allow for counter-play from the initiation of the act of the crime not long after the act has been completed. |
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