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c0rn1	Posted - 2006.03.27 05:01:00 - [1] So far I heard of GMs that Login Traps are considered an exploit since it affects ingame mechanics with out-of-game mechanics. It gives you a free full fleet cloaking device. Now we lost a freighter because the enemy used it on us and the GM Neptis is answering that this is NOT considered as an exploit. I want some official clearance please if it is now or not, because we had a similar situation today as well but we didnt use the login trap as it was considered an exploit. Regards c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Nato Xemus	Posted - 2006.03.27 05:15:00 - [2] id like to know this too imho this is exploitable "Did you ever find bugs bunny attractive when he put on a dress and played a girl bunny?"
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.03.27 05:19:00 - [3] If the enemy does an emergency warp, its not an exploit. If they appear at the exact same position in space where they logged off, then its an exploit (which isn't possible). Thats the official word, when the thing was first introduced. Technically its impossible to do login-exploits, even it could be considered a login-trap by players. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
c0rn1	Posted - 2006.03.27 05:29:00 - [4] Edited by: c0rn1 on 27/03/2006 05:34:21 Edited by: c0rn1 on 27/03/2006 05:31:34 ok, so if I log off with a 200 man fleet in front of a gate when I have a hostile fleet at the other side or a couple jumps away, just leave a cov ops there and 2 or 3 interdictors. then I wait 30 mins and prolly the fleet will jump in there because they got a station there, I will let the dictors place bubbles and the ppl log in at the gate. all at once. the whole jumped in fleet is crushed and intel is completely worthless, because you can do that all day. login, logout. it doesnt show a blob on map and the 15km random warp back in spot, doesnt really interest me at all in a sniping battleship. It exploits the whole game mechanics of fleet movement, tracking and strategy. it's such an easy exploit to trace, because you just have to check in logfiles what people logged in at once in a system in a timeframe of 1 minute and you can warn the people not to use it again. I think that's not what was in the mind of the devs when they once created the "login" procedure. regards x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.27 06:14:00 - [5] Edited by: j0sephine on 27/03/2006 06:15:32 "it doesnt show a blob on map" Aye; which is why some people asked for the map to be enhanced with "number of people logged off in the system in last 24 hours" filter, or something to similar effect... edit: in the meantime though, it's allowed because there's technically mechanics in place which prevent the old type of login traps.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.27 06:58:00 - [6] Everytime your enemies use login traps. Go find their Carebears or organise a week's worth of camp and make their lifes misereable 23/7. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.03.27 07:16:00 - [7] Originally by: j0sephine edit: in the meantime though, it's allowed because there's technically mechanics in place which prevent the old type of login traps. And yet this is no longer true (nor ever was as a matter of fact). Frieghters changed this. Escroting never was safe from loggintraps, and with capital ships in the mix escorting has become much mroe important. Luckily, it's not like we didn't warn CCP two months before they came up with the whole frieghter thing that this would happen.. So I guess we can expect a solution soon. Power to the players !
Vertical Aim	Posted - 2006.03.27 07:28:00 - [8] I'm just wondering is Eve considered in ANY fashion a RP game? or is it whatever you want it to be? I see a lot of "RP" style news updates and events etc, etc so this is why I wonder. In an RP enviornment how the hell do you use out-of-game knowledge to kill people in-game? Whats really funny about this is we ALL know its wrong even the ones doing it, yet its allowed. I really hope CCP looks this over because it shouldn't be allowed. The poster is right if everyone starts doing this fleet battles will be determined by who can get their side into the right spot then logging first, wait a while until some of the enemies say "This is lame i'm not waiting around for them to log back on" then pop on with a 5:1 advantage.
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.03.27 07:41:00 - [9] Login trap is unpractical way to make yourself look like ass, and prolly fail at catch anyone too in process.. WTB: The Correct DreadÖ
Valen L'eganas	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Everytime your enemies use login traps. Go find their Carebears or organise a week's worth of camp and make their lifes misereable 23/7. And even if I completely agree with your point here Jenny (we know ho is 'good' at login-traps) unless it is concidered an exploit some will keep on using it to their advantage. KOS, this is a known way for your foes to battle you (as they do it with us), you know this now. It will not happen again next time because you must always consider a login trap. ---------------------- *Homo Sapiens non Urinat in ventum*
Garia666	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:12:00 - [11] Originally by: c0rn1 So far I heard of GMs that Login Traps are considered an exploit since it affects ingame mechanics with out-of-game mechanics. It gives you a free full fleet cloaking device. Now we lost a freighter because the enemy used it on us and the GM Neptis is answering that this is NOT considered as an exploit. I want some official clearance please if it is now or not, because we had a similar situation today as well but we didnt use the login trap as it was considered an exploit. Regards c0rn1 Just ask for a GM higher on the rank. As fas as i know this has always been an exploit. ADGA Website
Emmerich Steiner	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:20:00 - [12] They could make it so there is a time delay for players who recently log on to lock targets. Granted that target hasn't agressed. Then again, the more and more crap you put in to prevent others from pulling less than legit things.. The more you break it :D I wish people would have the respect not to abuse game mechanics.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:31:00 - [13] Originally by: DigitalCommunist If the enemy does an emergency warp, its not an exploit. If they appear at the exact same position in space where they logged off, then its an exploit (which isn't possible). Thats the official word, when the thing was first introduced. Technically its impossible to do login-exploits, even it could be considered a login-trap by players. Not sure if I understand you right. Seeing multiple pilots logging in at the same time and dropping out of warp around your current position at a gate/station (can be seen in a CoC movie) is an exploit. But according to your statement above, its not possible. Now I¦m slightly confused. ------ Ö Ship lover
Raxxar	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:38:00 - [14] Do you really mean these four BS when referring to login trap? That's not a trap that's clap-net
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: DigitalCommunist If the enemy does an emergency warp, its not an exploit. If they appear at the exact same position in space where they logged off, then its an exploit (which isn't possible). Thats the official word, when the thing was first introduced. Technically its impossible to do login-exploits, even it could be considered a login-trap by players. Not sure if I understand you right. Seeing multiple pilots logging in at the same time and dropping out of warp around your current position at a gate/station (can be seen in a CoC movie) is an exploit. But according to your statement above, its not possible. Now Iґm slightly confused. Yes. Because they have delay, between logging in, and appearing on the battlefield. About KOS case... Guys, buy new glasses for your scout. Oh... And cry me a river. ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Macro Slasher	Posted - 2006.03.27 08:59:00 - [16] All is fair in love and Eve.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.03.27 09:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 27/03/2006 09:17:14 the problem is that this delay isnt long enough to let a freighter get way.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.03.27 09:22:00 - [18] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 27/03/2006 09:25:17 I like the "can't target unless targeted" penalty for those that log on in space. Except that it's exploitable again by targeting your group with an alt you leave in space. I'd say that it needs adapting a bit. How about you cannot lock untill youve taken damage ? A 5 min duration should do. Power to the players !
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.03.27 09:30:00 - [19] Originally by: DigitalCommunist If the enemy does an emergency warp, its not an exploit. If they appear at the exact same position in space where they logged off, then its an exploit (which isn't possible). Thats the official word, when the thing was first introduced. Technically its impossible to do login-exploits, even it could be considered a login-trap by players. Actually, I think it might be possible to remain in location whilst logged off. I've still not quite got around to testing it though. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.03.27 09:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 27/03/2006 09:17:14 the problem is that this delay isnt long enough to let a freighter get way.. Intie with 2 webs ? ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.03.27 10:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Rod Blaine Luckily, it's not like we didn't warn CCP two months before they came up with the whole frieghter thing that this would happen.. So I guess we can expect a solution soon. (tm) Testy's Eve Blog!
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.03.27 10:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 27/03/2006 09:17:14 the problem is that this delay isnt long enough to let a freighter get way.. Intie with 2 webs ? interdictors on gate, each bubble last like what? 4 minutes? get a grip "We brake for nobody"
Usul Faust	Posted - 2006.03.27 10:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Everytime your enemies use login traps. Go find their Carebears or organise a week's worth of camp and make their lifes misereable 23/7. at least you left them an hour for lunch. no skills, just luck.
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.03.27 10:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 27/03/2006 09:17:14 the problem is that this delay isnt long enough to let a freighter get way.. Intie with 2 webs ? interdictors on gate, each bubble last like what? 4 minutes? get a grip You`ll need to deploy warp disruption probe BEFORE your target will enter "warp status". Upload files brain.dll, straighthands.dll to your head, please. ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 27/03/2006 09:17:14 the problem is that this delay isnt long enough to let a freighter get way.. Intie with 2 webs ? interdictors on gate, each bubble last like what? 4 minutes? get a grip You`ll need to deploy warp disruption probe BEFORE your target will enter "warp status". Upload files brain.dll, straighthands.dll to your head, please. and you dont think that people deploy bubbles before their targets aligns e.g deploy bubble as soon as you see the stargate animation? everytime you post you make yourself look like an idiot... "We brake for nobody"
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:15:00 - [26] Log-in traps are used by rejects to make up for a lack of skills. Look at who uses them and their recent losses and say it ain't so.
Lifewire	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:20:00 - [27] Players, corperations or alliances using logintraps loose reputation. Reputation cannot be calculated like ISK in wallet or killmails - but reputation is very important in EVE. Once a reputation dropped too low, respected veteran players will not cooperate with these people anymore. Using logintraps does seriously damage your reputation. Like macromining or whatever other sort of exploit. Loging of in battle also makes you loose reputation. Even logging of to save your pod makes you loose reputation because you didnt have the balls to die with your character. All in all these people hurt themselves. They get or keep some ISK for the price of honor. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Dampfschlaghammer	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:48:00 - [28] Three mechanics will deal with this problem 1st) Take away shields and cap when logging off outside of a station 2nd) Increase warp distance to several AU 3rd) Make the warp distances random, so that no organized fleet appearance is possible The strength of these effects should depend in a non-linear way on total time logged off. That is, within 5 minutes there should be hardly any effect, in order to not further penalize people with disconnects and ctd. After that, the effect should increase very quickly until it is maxed out after more than, say, 15 minutes.
Kaaii	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:54:00 - [29] It seems the only way to catch freighters these days lameness II "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, than stand with One thousand sheep.." Tradeing 101
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.03.27 12:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 27/03/2006 09:17:14 the problem is that this delay isnt long enough to let a freighter get way.. Intie with 2 webs ? interdictors on gate, each bubble last like what? 4 minutes? get a grip You`ll need to deploy warp disruption probe BEFORE your target will enter "warp status". Upload files brain.dll, straighthands.dll to your head, please. and you dont think that people deploy bubbles before their targets aligns e.g deploy bubble as soon as you see the stargate animation? Scout = nono ? Dont whine then. Its simple, really. Originally by: Admiral IceBlock everytime you post you make yourself look like an idiot... At least i`m not smacking local, when i`m docked, mr.icecock. ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)

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