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Yojiritsu
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Posted - 2006.03.29 18:27:00 -
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Can we get some recon ship love ?
All the recons ( except the caldari ones ) do not get a bonus to their supposed strength : the racial variant of ECM. ( amarr : turret destab, gallente damps, minnie painters)
Especially the gallente Launcher RoF bonus makes me cry.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.29 18:31:00 -
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They get bonuses to more useful things instead. Amarr have nos, minmatar have webs etc. To be honest, range bonuses on those things is an absolute god-send. it turns standard gear into officer gear.
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.03.29 18:36:00 -
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I think the minmatar recon ships are fine. We get the 25% bonuse to painters for having Cruser lvl 5 plus a webbing bonuse which will help your accuracy a S**T load aswell. Anouther bonuse to painter I think would lose affectiveness.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.03.29 19:02:00 -
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People do not yet realise the ultimate power recon ships have, all of them. (Stolen from Ninja's i might add)
Seriously.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.29 19:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Bazman
People do not yet realise the ultimate power recon ships have, all of them. (Stolen from Ninja's i might add)
Seriously.
Curse. Shield Tank. Nos. Enough said, right?
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.03.29 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Bazman
People do not yet realise the ultimate power recon ships have, all of them. (Stolen from Ninja's i might add)
Seriously.
Curse. Shield Tank. Nos. Enough said, right?
Well, that isn't what i was thinking, but omg. Covert Recon ships = luv. Combat Recon ships = meh
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seeyouauntie
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Posted - 2006.03.29 20:07:00 -
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I'd still love to be able to fit a cloak and a cyno field generator on the covert recons. It only makes sense since, you know, they get a bonus to both.
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.03.30 01:57:00 -
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Bonus to Webber range = freaking uber, not to mention the Disruptor and Nos range... dear jesus Recons rock
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.03.30 02:03:00 -
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I'd love to play around with a Rapier.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.03.30 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jet Collins
I think the minmatar recon ships are fine. We get the 25% bonuse to painters for having Cruser lvl 5 plus a webbing bonuse which will help your accuracy a S**T load aswell. Anouther bonuse to painter I think would lose affectiveness.
Target Painters suck. Webbing Range sucks also, when u dont deal any decent amount of dmg at all, while not being able to fit a tank, well not being able to fit decent amount of firepower aswell (speaking of the huginn).
Curse can be uber, and Caldari ones are just ridiculously overpowered.
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Jet Collins
I think the minmatar recon ships are fine. We get the 25% bonuse to painters for having Cruser lvl 5 plus a webbing bonuse which will help your accuracy a S**T load aswell. Anouther bonuse to painter I think would lose affectiveness.
Target Painters suck. Webbing Range sucks also, when u dont deal any decent amount of dmg at all, while not being able to fit a tank, well not being able to fit decent amount of firepower aswell (speaking of the huginn).
Curse can be uber, and Caldari ones are just ridiculously overpowered.
yes the falcons damage output is just pant wttingly scary 
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Target Painters suck. Webbing Range sucks also, when u dont deal any decent amount of dmg at all, while not being able to fit a tank, well not being able to fit decent amount of firepower aswell (speaking of the huginn).
Yes, clearly being able to do nearly full damage to small, fast vessels with heavy missiles because you can nearly double your target's Signature sucks.
If ever there was a vessel that was blatantly designed to kill Interceptors and Interdictors, the Huginn is it.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver
Yes, clearly being able to do nearly full damage to small, fast vessels with heavy missiles because you can nearly double your target's Signature sucks.
If ever there was a vessel that was blatantly designed to kill Interceptors and Interdictors, the Huginn is it.
...isn't that what precision heavies are for?
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.03.30 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
...isn't that what precision heavies are for?
Sure, they can be. But you might not have access to Precision ammo all the time, for various reasons. The Huginn strikes me as a ship that is designed with the exact purpose of striking down small, fast targets with impunity, regardless of what ammo it has loaded.
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DeadRow
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Posted - 2006.03.30 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Jet Collins
I think the minmatar recon ships are fine. We get the 25% bonuse to painters for having Cruser lvl 5 plus a webbing bonuse which will help your accuracy a S**T load aswell. Anouther bonuse to painter I think would lose affectiveness.
Target Painters suck. Webbing Range sucks also, when u dont deal any decent amount of dmg at all, while not being able to fit a tank, well not being able to fit decent amount of firepower aswell (speaking of the huginn).
Curse can be uber, and Caldari ones are just ridiculously overpowered.
well.. afaik anit recons suppose to used in a gang? in which case you wont need to deal dmg because if ur webbingat 40km ull be help the gang pwn the target.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.03.30 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 29/03/2006 18:38:33
They get bonuses to more useful things instead. Amarr have nos, minmatar have webs etc. To be honest, range bonuses on those things is an absolute god-send. it turns standard gear into officer gear.
EDIT: Wait, they do get bonuses to raical EW. What are you talking about?
The minnie ones turn t1 to officer, the gallente one does t1 to faction. Not quite balanced imo (the warp disruptor range bonus needs a boost).
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.30 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Jet Collins
I think the minmatar recon ships are fine. We get the 25% bonuse to painters for having Cruser lvl 5 plus a webbing bonuse which will help your accuracy a S**T load aswell. Anouther bonuse to painter I think would lose affectiveness.
Target Painters suck. Webbing Range sucks also, when u dont deal any decent amount of dmg at all, while not being able to fit a tank, well not being able to fit decent amount of firepower aswell (speaking of the huginn).
Curse can be uber, and Caldari ones are just ridiculously overpowered.
well.. afaik anit recons suppose to used in a gang? in which case you wont need to deal dmg because if ur webbingat 40km ull be help the gang pwn the target.
since your target isnt scambled if there is no ceptor around, it doesnt really matter...
and believe him, he flown one, he gave it to me, I flown it, and I prefered to fly a BB
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.03.30 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow
well.. afaik anit recons suppose to used in a gang? in which case you wont need to deal dmg because if ur webbingat 40km ull be help the gang pwn the target.
Yes I think this is very true. I may regret saying this but wouldn't you think a huginn would be great teamed up with a sniping gate camper. It has a targeting range of 120km standard so you can paint stuff really far away with great skill... No more shuttles getting buy plus if anyting desides to come at you it can web them before they even get close...
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.30 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jet Collins
Originally by: DeadRow
well.. afaik anit recons suppose to used in a gang? in which case you wont need to deal dmg because if ur webbingat 40km ull be help the gang pwn the target.
Yes I think this is very true. I may regret saying this but wouldn't you think a huginn would be great teamed up with a sniping gate camper. It has a targeting range of 120km standard so you can paint stuff really far away with great skill... No more shuttles getting buy plus if anyting desides to come at you it can web them before they even get close...
problem with shuttles is not to hit them, but to lock them. Also target painting has pretty poor range.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2006.03.30 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 29/03/2006 18:38:33
They get bonuses to more useful things instead. Amarr have nos, minmatar have webs etc. To be honest, range bonuses on those things is an absolute god-send. it turns standard gear into officer gear.
EDIT: Wait, they do get bonuses to raical EW. What are you talking about?
The minnie ones turn t1 to officer, the gallente one does t1 to faction. Not quite balanced imo (the warp disruptor range bonus needs a boost).
I agree here. The webifier bonus on the Minmatar ship is enormous, as is the nosferatu boost on the Curse. The Gallente ships should be able to scramble out to 40Km to become really useful.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.03.30 14:37:00 -
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Look, tell you what, get together a covert recon squad. 1 Arazu, 1 Pilgrim, 1 Falcon and 1 Rapier.
Come back and complain about any of the recons and i'll have a laugh at you. If you team them up together, they are litterally an unkillable force, the only way to beat them is to use a passive tanked, fof cruise launching Raven with 2 large smartbombs. Nothing else remotely has a chance against them.
Recon = sex
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dazedandconfused
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Posted - 2006.03.30 15:05:00 -
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Caldari Recons rule. My alt flys both a Rook and a Falcon. Jamming power, yum! 
Though I don't think they had the problem, but I felt like posting none the less.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.30 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
Look, tell you what, get together a covert recon squad. 1 Arazu, 1 Pilgrim, 1 Falcon and 1 Rapier.
Come back and complain about any of the recons and i'll have a laugh at you. If you team them up together, they are litterally an unkillable force, the only way to beat them is to use a passive tanked, fof cruise launching Raven with 2 large smartbombs. Nothing else remotely has a chance against them.
Recon = sex
Exactly. Now add a cloaked interdictor and a scanning/scouting covops for 0.0. There's something frustrating about fighting a small team of cloaked ships that can **** out a bubble at any second, always know where you are and can find you and kill+pod you if you log off near a known object 95% of the time.
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2006.03.30 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: seeyouauntie
I'd still love to be able to fit a cloak and a cyno field generator on the covert recons. It only makes sense since, you know, they get a bonus to both.
It'll come... The fact that they can't right now is, as far as I know, due to a bug whose fix is LONG overdue. But I guess we had to have the new bloodlines first...
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.30 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Bazman
Look, tell you what, get together a covert recon squad. 1 Arazu, 1 Pilgrim, 1 Falcon and 1 Rapier.
Come back and complain about any of the recons and i'll have a laugh at you. If you team them up together, they are litterally an unkillable force, the only way to beat them is to use a passive tanked, fof cruise launching Raven with 2 large smartbombs. Nothing else remotely has a chance against them.
Recon = sex
Exactly. Now add a cloaked interdictor and a scanning/scouting covops for 0.0. There's something frustrating about fighting a small team of cloaked ships that can **** out a bubble at any second, always know where you are and can find you and kill+pod you if you log off near a known object 95% of the time.
as an interdictor pilot I must say this:
As wingmates, there is nothing better as recon ships.
Light, fast, and can literally make a small enemy gang turning from supah mopah into glittering pile of goo.
Them thing are evil, and if you have a buddy in a interdictor, they become near-overpowered fighting equal numbers, or even in a 1,5 to 1 propotion.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.03.30 16:46:00 -
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The Amarrian recons are good. No doubt nor debate at all.
The Caldari recons are powerful. There is some doubt about the survival rate of a Rook, but that is inconsequential.
The Minmatar recons are rather powerful, although the webbifier bonus to the covert recon is... slightly stupid.
The Gallente recons suck. Not only is the disruptor bonus weak, but also very stupid on the covert recon. The disruptor bonus needs to either be changed to a strength bonus or boosted substantially to the magnitude of the range bonus of webs or nosferatus on the other recons (30-40%).
Amarr recons are unique, and can't be replaced by another ship. They hold their own.
The Caldari (combat) recon can be replaced by a Scorpion, which tend to cost just about the same. The Falcon is really, really, really good.
The Minmatar recons can't be replaced, but their uses are limited and needs to be complemented by battleship and tacklers.
The Gallente recons can be replaced by Celestis, which cuts costs and risk extremely.
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Originally by: Arkanor
Gallente missileboat might be cool.
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Porro
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Posted - 2006.03.30 16:52:00 -
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Recons don't need a damage bonus their ew is for a supporting role, itd be like saying wtf, my logistic ship sucks at ganking :(.
Mix some hacs with some recons and you have a very lethal group that can handle much bigger groups as most of the enemies will be disabled due to EW.
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SLIM
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Posted - 2006.03.30 17:25:00 -
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The gallente one needs faction gear to really shine, but trust me, you do NOT want to mess with a gallente covert recon. Scrambling at 50km=win.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.03.30 17:41:00 -
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Heh. Anyone thinking the Amarr ones are best are pretty clueless. The Nossing may be nice, and indeed it is, but the damage is low, easily countered and the ships themselfs cant take any amount of beating. And trust me, that hurts when you have no way to cancel out your opponents damage completely, like the Caldari and Gallente ones can.
The Minnie one is just **** solo, although it IS somewhat nice to sit in enemy HQs at jump-ins, uncloaking and one-volleying frigs as they warp/jump in. Its immensily usefull in groups, as are the Gallente and Caldari ones for that matter.
The Amarr ones on the other hand really arent. You dont need the Nos in groups to break tanks. Ofcourse they DO shine solo, as long as youre not engaging a Raven.
btw, Shieldtanked Curse = waste. While it has a nice tank, youre much better off stuffing every midslot with EW to help your group.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2006.03.30 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Shieldtanked Curse = waste. While it has a nice tank, youre much better off stuffing every midslot with EW to help your group.
Agreed. The only time you would want a shield-tank is if you're fighting a missile or drone ship, and even then your chances aren't good. They can just blow up your drones.
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