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NUKUNNI TRADING
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: NUKUNNI TRADING on 31/03/2006 19:44:39
www.xe.com
Give you all sorts of exchange options
Lets you check your facts before you make a fool of yourself
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Dupac
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:47:00 -
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It would appear that the OP has suffered a recent blow to the head - either that or a waiter in a French restaurant was rude to him and he holds a grudge.......
Both Americans and Europeans pay tax based on their income - i.e. income tax
This tends to be lower in the US than Europe as medical expenses etc aren't covered by the income tax where they tend to be in the UK (for example)
US and UK citizens also pay sales tax - called VAT in the UK - it's the same as some states sales tax on goods (supposedly luxury goods - insert rant here about VAT in the UK applying to basic items)
US citizens pay less tax overall but receive fewer benefits from the state or federal authorities - UK citizens pay more tax but have to pay for less from private income (in theory)
I don't think there is a huge difference but if anything Eve is cheaper to pay for from the US.
Thanks for the laugh though - your post was one of the more ridiculous I've seen
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:49:00 -
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shhhh
dont tell to anyone
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:52:00 -
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Oh yeah, The US has to pay more cos they have to fund putting people like the OP through an education in the prison they end up in cos they are sick of asking people if they want fries with that all day and try robbing from the till instead.
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F4ze
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:07:00 -
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The reason why a belgian would never make a post like this, is because our government taxes us heavily and then makes sure our universities cost between 80 and 450 euro per year to attend. Thus making sure we have educated citizens who are knowledgeable about exchange rates .
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:16:00 -
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 Originally by: BBQ
At current I pay ú11 per month for eve (as of my last CC bill).
ú11 at current exchange rates is $19.10
The US costs for eve are currently set at $14.95 per month.
Somehow I think things are not quite as stacked against US players as you believe.
lol your getting ripped off ,dont know why but the eve site decides to charge me in $ even though my address is a UK one ,just checked my last cc statement and i pay ú8.83 for eve.
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:26:00 -
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Do you think that it's possible to claim that EVE is wholly and necessarily used by me for business purposes? Then I could claim the tax and VAT back
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 31/03/2006 20:37:11
Whoops shoud have read the whole posts.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tas Devil on 31/03/2006 20:41:33
Originally by: Ghoest
In case you dont know.
Euros and and Yanks pay taxes in different ways. Euros pay something called "VAT". Its a set % on almost all services and products.
Americans primarily pay taxes on income.
EVE gives Euros a discount when they pay for EVE that is equal to what they pay in VAT.
This isnt fair.
To be fair Americans should get an equal reduction in price. We pay taxes too just not the same way.
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
Someone do me a favour and put this poor animal down ... he is clearly deficient in too many ways to mention...
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: MysticNZ on 31/03/2006 20:47:17
Well, it ends up costing me $21 a month to play EVE NZD.
21 New Zealand dollars = 12.7848 U.S. dollars RARW 
However, our dollar has lost 12 cents to the US dollar in the last month so meh.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:48:00 -
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The people pointing out that currancy exchange rates have changed since CCP first gave Euros a "rebate" for VAT, make a good point.
The majority of of posters who tried to rationalize that Euros should get a rebate for their taxes are a joke though, that point is not valid.
CCP should be trying to make roughly the same profit of of Euros as it does off of Americans.
What no one is noting is that Euros had the same subscription price before and after the EU forced CCP to apply VAT.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
The people pointing out that currancy exchange rates have changed since CCP first gave Euros a "rebate" for VAT, make a good point.
The majority of of posters who tried to rationalize that Euros should get a rebate for their taxes are a joke though, that point is not valid.
CCP should be trying to make roughly the same profit of of Euros as it does off of Americans.
What no one is noting is that Euros had the same subscription price before and after the EU forced CCP to apply VAT.
Have you payed attention at all?
In raw cash, it costs the europeans more to play EVE than Americans.
If anything, they deserve more of a discount to be in-line with American prices.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hikari Kisugi
Originally by: Ghoest
In case you dont know.
This isnt fair.
To be fair Americans should get an equal reduction in price. We pay taxes too just not the same way.
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
I'm glad we got this opportunity to understand the incredible intellect you obviously possess. I think to be fair some scheme where players are offered a discount that relates to their IQ.
I'm sure you'll get a big discount.
no no no, then we would have players all over the world being PAID to play eve (negitive IQ's are out there it seems, look at Bush and his advisors as proof)
IQ = -120 = CCP pays YOU to play....bad, very bad
...not to mention the minmitar...
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ghoest
The people pointing out that currancy exchange rates have changed since CCP first gave Euros a "rebate" for VAT, make a good point.
The majority of of posters who tried to rationalize that Euros should get a rebate for their taxes are a joke though, that point is not valid.
CCP should be trying to make roughly the same profit of of Euros as it does off of Americans.
What no one is noting is that Euros had the same subscription price before and after the EU forced CCP to apply VAT.
Have you payed attention at all?
In raw cash, it costs the europeans more to play EVE than Americans.
If anything, they deserve more of a discount to be in-line with American prices.
naaaa, they can wait for the US to take over the world and pay taxes for us yanks....let them enjoy EU life while they can.
(warming up for April Fools jokes)
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Slynk
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: F4ze
our universities cost between 80 and 450 euro per year to attend.
Holy crap.. My first year of college alone was 36k! And that didnt include books. I have been out of school for several years and i havent even started to make a dent in my student loans. Hell, i think i would take the higher taxes for better education and healthcare like that.
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
could you blame them?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:17:00 -
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Dark Shikari managed to make the silliest post yet.
After I point out that I was remiss to neglect the currency exchange, he actually quotes what I said and chides me for something derived completely from the curency exchange issue which I was accepting fault for in the quote he used.
It make me feel good that even if I make a mistake(not looking at changes in currency rates since Euros got the rebate), someone else will always come along and make an even more foolish mistake as they flame me.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Slynk
Originally by: F4ze
our universities cost between 80 and 450 euro per year to attend.
Holy crap.. My first year of college alone was 36k! And that didnt include books. I have been out of school for several years and i havent even started to make a dent in my student loans. Hell, i think i would take the higher taxes for better education and healthcare like that.
Are you sure? bare in mind that when you take into consideration Income tax, poll tax, stamp duty, petrol duty, beer duty, interest tax, inheritence tax, VAT, and every other God damned tax about, some european countries see as little as 30-40% of their income?
me? I'm currently about ú18000 in debt. (I'm just about to finish as a UK student). This is just about average at the moment. ú13k of that is student loan, and gets taken out of my wages (when I start earning over ú12k a year) at the same stage as Tax/ NI. Doesn't the US have some wierd system where you get paid full but then have to pay the tax back to the IRS?
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Veratyr
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
Doesn't the US have some wierd system where you get paid full but then have to pay the tax back to the IRS?
Well, there's payroll tax which is taken directly out of your paycheck. 1/2 is paid by your employer, and you never even see that money (it never even is considered part of your gross income!) and 1/2 is deducted from your gross income. Payroll tax, in total, is about 15%.
After payroll tax, your employer withholds some of your gross income and sends it to the Treasury Department. This amount is credited to the total amount of tax you owe for the calendar year.
If your employer didn't withhold enough, you pay more tax on April 15th (my situation!). If your employer over-withheld, you get tax back - this happens to millions of people.
And this is just an over-simplified summary!
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Mak'shar Karrde
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:41:00 -
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Look, lets make this simple...
Euro = Currency.
European = Person.
FFS, stop calling me a EURO, it's lazy and it ****es me off.
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sho Dimmar
'Euros' as you call us pay 15Ç a month. 15Ç is equal to $18.18 at todays exchange rate. US players pay $15 a month. Therefore, 'Euros' are paying more, so if anything at all, we should be getting a reduction in price.
The price is partially based on preception. "15" is just a nice, even number that a lot of people are willing to pay as a monthly rate on a MMO, regardless of the currency involved or exchange rates.
It's not rational, of course, but you won't get very far by demanding the world act rationally all the time :)
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Veratyr
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
"15" is just a nice, even number that a lot of people are willing to pay as a monthly rate on a MMO
I agree. 20 seems too high (even 19.99 does!) and 9.99 seems too cheap.
15 is easier to rationalize...
$15 is the price of one drink in some of the ridiculous up-scale bars here in NYC.
Or the price of two pitchers of beer (and tip) in a dive bar...
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Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:16:00 -
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All this exchange rate stuff made me look up some things,
I make 6.31 EUR/Hour or for you chaps,
4.40 GBP/Hour.
That good or bad compared to European standards?
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Veratyr
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
All this exchange rate stuff made me look up some things,
I make 6.31 EUR/Hour or for you chaps,
4.40 GBP/Hour.
That good or bad compared to European standards?
AFAIK, people in Europe talk about how much they make in a month. At least, that's how they did it in Germany when I lived there.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:20:00 -
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I pay 8 quid a month for eve... Dunno what anyone else from england is paying. We're beating the dollar's ass right now.
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Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Veratyr
Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
All this exchange rate stuff made me look up some things,
I make 6.31 EUR/Hour or for you chaps,
4.40 GBP/Hour.
That good or bad compared to European standards?
AFAIK, people in Europe talk about how much they make in a month. At least, that's how they did it in Germany when I lived there.
ok lemme see then,
40 hrs a week, 4 weeks a month...carry the one, add the 2 and i get
704 GBP or 1010 EUR. This is all pre tax too.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
All this exchange rate stuff made me look up some things,
I make 6.31 EUR/Hour or for you chaps,
4.40 GBP/Hour.
That good or bad compared to European standards?
We have minimum wage in the UK
for an 16-17 year old I think its 3.20 an hour, 18-19 4.35 an hour, and for 21-+ 4.45 or 4.50 I forget.
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Domatavus Fallatus
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ediz Daxx
Knowledge is your friend...
some ppl seem to have none....
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Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
All this exchange rate stuff made me look up some things,
I make 6.31 EUR/Hour or for you chaps,
4.40 GBP/Hour.
That good or bad compared to European standards?
We have minimum wage in the UK
for an 16-17 year old I think its 3.20 an hour, 18-19 4.35 an hour, and for 21-+ 4.45 or 4.50 I forget.
ahh, so its not much different than here as im making $7.65 which is just a little higher than the $5.15 federal minimum wage which was raised in 1997. I feel a little better now that i know on both sides of the "pond" were equally poor.
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Veratyr
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
I feel a little better now that i know on both sides of the "pond" were equally poor.
That's not entirely true.
Two Swedish economists did an analysis in 2004 on the standards of living in the USA and in the EU, and determined that poor Americans have a better standard of living than average Europeans.
A PDF copy of their study is
here.
So if you are an average poor person in the USA, you have a better standard of living than an average person living in the EU.
An article talking about the study is here.
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