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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:20:00 -
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In case you dont know.
Euros and and Yanks pay taxes in different ways. Euros pay something called "VAT". Its a set % on almost all services and products.
Americans primarily pay taxes on income.
EVE gives Euros a discount when they pay for EVE that is equal to what they pay in VAT.
This isnt fair.
To be fair Americans should get an equal reduction in price. We pay taxes too just not the same way.
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:24:00 -
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Could be that the Euro is more highly valued than the American dollar too.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:25:00 -
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Huh?
The prices are naerly exactly the same for US and Euro players.
US players pay 15 dollars a month, and EU players pay 15 Euros. 15 Euros - VAT is just about 15 dollars. Thus, the prices are the same.
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:26:00 -
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Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
What the fudge are you smoking?
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Finix Jaeger
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Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
What the fudge are you smoking?
it must be something good... 
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:33:00 -
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yes, don't get me started on TAX. in the UK, we pay about 1/3 of our income on basic income tax and national insurance. We're taxed when we earn it. We pay 17.5% on top of pretty much everything (including stuff like cigs, petrol and alcohol which have their own special tax. So we pay tax ON our tax. We're taxed when we spend it. We pay tax on our savings, we pay tax when we inherit. We pay tax when we simply GIVE money away. So. Tax sucks. As for the whole
US pays more than Euros - you ever heard of a thing called exchange rates? at the moment, the US $ is quite strong, at about what, $1.8 to the GBPú. A couple of years ago the rate was like 1.25 to the GBP. So when it was like that, the US was paying WAAAY less than the euro, so. sush.
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Vladimir Ilych
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:35:00 -
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News to me. The UK government puts VAT at 17.5% on almost everything. EVE will be no exception. Take my word for it.
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Sho Dimmar
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:35:00 -
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'Euros' as you call us pay 15Ç a month. 15Ç is equal to $18.18 at todays exchange rate. US players pay $15 a month. Therefore, 'Euros' are paying more, so if anything at all, we should be getting a reduction in price.
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Sonos SAGD
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:36:00 -
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maybe just an easy answer like it cost more to ship
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BBQ
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Posted - 2006.03.31 17:58:00 -
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At current I pay ú11 per month for eve (as of my last CC bill).
ú11 at current exchange rates is $19.10
The US costs for eve are currently set at $14.95 per month.
Somehow I think things are not quite as stacked against US players as you believe.
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Trac3rt
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:00:00 -
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FYI Euros (UK) get taxed at least 17.5% on everything they buy, AS WELL as having their income taxed.
15 Euros is also roughly equal to 15 Dollars isn't it?
There is a tax loophole where you don't have to pay VAT on imported goods valeud under ú18 (which is where certain online retailers that ship from outside of the UK charge 17.99 for a lot of stuff).
Finally, yes Euros are better than US players... what's your point?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Trac3rt
15 Euros is also roughly equal to 15 Dollars isn't it?
According to Google:
15 Euros = 18.11400 U.S. dollars
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Ediz Daxx
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:18:00 -
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Knowledge is your friend...
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Ulle
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
In case you dont know.
Euros and and Yanks pay taxes in different ways. Euros pay something called "VAT". Its a set % on almost all services and products.
Americans primarily pay taxes on income.
'Euros' pay VAT. And taxes on income. And additionals on fuel, tobacco and alchol. And often, on top of that, welfare expenses, from school to garbage disposal. If really CCP would have made a discount, it should be 'Ameros' to pay more. Are you really sure of what you're asking ? 
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Hikari Kisugi
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
In case you dont know.
This isnt fair.
To be fair Americans should get an equal reduction in price. We pay taxes too just not the same way.
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
I'm glad we got this opportunity to understand the incredible intellect you obviously possess. I think to be fair some scheme where players are offered a discount that relates to their IQ.
I'm sure you'll get a big discount.
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Lucas Garin
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas Garin on 31/03/2006 18:28:48
Um... Who cares what the Euros pay.
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Chippie MS
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:29:00 -
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Come and fill your car up with petrol and then *****.
We pay 92p a litre thats nearly ú5 a gallon which is what about $9............ how much is it in the us? $2
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Lucas Garin
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Chippie MS
Come and fill your car up with petrol and then *****.
We pay 92p a litre thats nearly ú5 a gallon which is what about $9............ how much is it in the us? $2
It's $3 now for premium, which I have to use. At least in LA.
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Del ReyII
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:35:00 -
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Lets take the Eve^2 offer just as an example
In Europe we pay Ç49.95 (Thats $60.55) , in the US you would pay $49.95
In case you dont know.
Thats over 21% more. I am not sure where they get that figure from, in UK vat rate is 17.5% and in Ireland its 21%.
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Colonel O'Neill
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:39:00 -
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I could care less, I just wish my bank didn't charge me a 44 cent international transfer fee. 5/3 Bank can kiss my ass
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Wulfstan
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:41:00 -
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I think the OP thinks we only pay VAT in Europe and not income tax.
Mate, believe me, we pay income tax just like you, and our VAT is akin to your (State based?) Sales Tax.
Just like to petrol / gas in the USA. It's a lot cheaper, but driving from Washington to NYC I paid about 5 different tolls, so once again the aggregate was about the same.
Swings and roundabouts my dear fellows, swings and roundabouts.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:42:00 -
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Well, nothing quite like providing someone with no clue an education..
You already get it cheaper, and you pay less tax. Shush.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.03.31 18:54:00 -
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In the UK, we are taxed when we earn it, taxed when we save it and taxed when we spend it. Therefore the same little (and I mean Little in a literal sense) amount of money we earn can be taxed up to 3 times. Petrol, cigarettes and alcohol are taxed by nearly 65%, making them all horrendously expensive.
If you want to swap houses and move to England so you pay less to play Eve, I'll swap with you and move to the USA. But I guess I'm just a sucker to want to suffer the extra cost of playing Eve. 
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Larshus Magrus
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:09:00 -
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I'm in the unique position that I have experienced Taxes in Euroland (Switzerland) and well as America.
Don't kid yourselves. no matter how you sliCe and dice it, the taxes are nearly the same. Both pay taxes on income, both pay taxes and sales either via VAT or fed/state/county/vity sales and use tax. Both get taxes on tax. Both have Healthcare and wellfare and unemployments and on and on taxes.
Which tax is higher overall? Its debateable based on.. and here is the kicker, spending and earning patterns. If you are taxed in total 22% and median income is 25k $ per year or you are taxed 44$ and you average income is 45k Euroes a year who pays more? ITs a wash.
In switzerland taxes were high. Petro was high. Rent was high. Food was high. But Swiss make ALOT more than americans on average with ALOT more benefits. IT all averages out.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 31/03/2006 19:16:51
Bigger houses, USA has. Only tiny houses in UK, there are. 
Adapt or cry.
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Kryss Darkdust
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:24:00 -
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Man don't even get me going on taxes, in Sweden we pay 45% income tax before we get taxed by the county. Not to mention there is a tax on everything including simply owning a TV in the house. Americans always complain about taxes, but they don't pay S^&%$% compared to Europe.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chippie MS
Come and fill your car up with petrol and then *****.
We pay 92p a litre thats nearly ú5 a gallon which is what about $9............ how much is it in the us? $2
You know there was a reason in 1776 that the colonies revolted.
Americans pay $0.35 tax per gallon, wich as of today we Pay $2.15 per gallon of gas. Some places $3.00+. Now subtract your gas/petro tax from what you pay. Now what do you pay? Just asking.
We also pay health insurance, some with company help some with out.
We also pay income tax at 20-33% depending on your dependents. We also pay State tax, sales tax, and property tax.
So I really dont care if Euros pay more for petrol/or how much they pay for eve.....
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:28:00 -
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Downtime trading we have, must make Euro ammends, must we? 
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:30:00 -
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Pay lower prices, how to.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:34:00 -
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And you know what? If you dont like the taxes you pay...try $750.00 to go to the emergency room at the hospital....$7.00 for the gauze to hold the bleeding in check...$254 for five stitches...and a whooping $978.00 Doctor bill.
Each country pays taxes for nice things like not haveing to pay for the above.
In 1776 the americans got tired of taxes being levied against them and done somthing about it.
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NUKUNNI TRADING
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: NUKUNNI TRADING on 31/03/2006 19:44:39
www.xe.com
Give you all sorts of exchange options
Lets you check your facts before you make a fool of yourself
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Dupac
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:47:00 -
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It would appear that the OP has suffered a recent blow to the head - either that or a waiter in a French restaurant was rude to him and he holds a grudge.......
Both Americans and Europeans pay tax based on their income - i.e. income tax
This tends to be lower in the US than Europe as medical expenses etc aren't covered by the income tax where they tend to be in the UK (for example)
US and UK citizens also pay sales tax - called VAT in the UK - it's the same as some states sales tax on goods (supposedly luxury goods - insert rant here about VAT in the UK applying to basic items)
US citizens pay less tax overall but receive fewer benefits from the state or federal authorities - UK citizens pay more tax but have to pay for less from private income (in theory)
I don't think there is a huge difference but if anything Eve is cheaper to pay for from the US.
Thanks for the laugh though - your post was one of the more ridiculous I've seen
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:49:00 -
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shhhh
dont tell to anyone
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.03.31 19:52:00 -
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Oh yeah, The US has to pay more cos they have to fund putting people like the OP through an education in the prison they end up in cos they are sick of asking people if they want fries with that all day and try robbing from the till instead.
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F4ze
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:07:00 -
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The reason why a belgian would never make a post like this, is because our government taxes us heavily and then makes sure our universities cost between 80 and 450 euro per year to attend. Thus making sure we have educated citizens who are knowledgeable about exchange rates .
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: BBQ
At current I pay ú11 per month for eve (as of my last CC bill).
ú11 at current exchange rates is $19.10
The US costs for eve are currently set at $14.95 per month.
Somehow I think things are not quite as stacked against US players as you believe.
lol your getting ripped off ,dont know why but the eve site decides to charge me in $ even though my address is a UK one ,just checked my last cc statement and i pay ú8.83 for eve.
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:26:00 -
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Do you think that it's possible to claim that EVE is wholly and necessarily used by me for business purposes? Then I could claim the tax and VAT back
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 31/03/2006 20:37:11
Whoops shoud have read the whole posts.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tas Devil on 31/03/2006 20:41:33
Originally by: Ghoest
In case you dont know.
Euros and and Yanks pay taxes in different ways. Euros pay something called "VAT". Its a set % on almost all services and products.
Americans primarily pay taxes on income.
EVE gives Euros a discount when they pay for EVE that is equal to what they pay in VAT.
This isnt fair.
To be fair Americans should get an equal reduction in price. We pay taxes too just not the same way.
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
Someone do me a favour and put this poor animal down ... he is clearly deficient in too many ways to mention...
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: MysticNZ on 31/03/2006 20:47:17
Well, it ends up costing me $21 a month to play EVE NZD.
21 New Zealand dollars = 12.7848 U.S. dollars RARW
However, our dollar has lost 12 cents to the US dollar in the last month so meh.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:48:00 -
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The people pointing out that currancy exchange rates have changed since CCP first gave Euros a "rebate" for VAT, make a good point.
The majority of of posters who tried to rationalize that Euros should get a rebate for their taxes are a joke though, that point is not valid.
CCP should be trying to make roughly the same profit of of Euros as it does off of Americans.
What no one is noting is that Euros had the same subscription price before and after the EU forced CCP to apply VAT.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.31 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
The people pointing out that currancy exchange rates have changed since CCP first gave Euros a "rebate" for VAT, make a good point.
The majority of of posters who tried to rationalize that Euros should get a rebate for their taxes are a joke though, that point is not valid.
CCP should be trying to make roughly the same profit of of Euros as it does off of Americans.
What no one is noting is that Euros had the same subscription price before and after the EU forced CCP to apply VAT.
Have you payed attention at all?
In raw cash, it costs the europeans more to play EVE than Americans.
If anything, they deserve more of a discount to be in-line with American prices.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hikari Kisugi
Originally by: Ghoest
In case you dont know.
This isnt fair.
To be fair Americans should get an equal reduction in price. We pay taxes too just not the same way.
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
I'm glad we got this opportunity to understand the incredible intellect you obviously possess. I think to be fair some scheme where players are offered a discount that relates to their IQ.
I'm sure you'll get a big discount.
no no no, then we would have players all over the world being PAID to play eve (negitive IQ's are out there it seems, look at Bush and his advisors as proof)
IQ = -120 = CCP pays YOU to play....bad, very bad
...not to mention the minmitar...
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ghoest
The people pointing out that currancy exchange rates have changed since CCP first gave Euros a "rebate" for VAT, make a good point.
The majority of of posters who tried to rationalize that Euros should get a rebate for their taxes are a joke though, that point is not valid.
CCP should be trying to make roughly the same profit of of Euros as it does off of Americans.
What no one is noting is that Euros had the same subscription price before and after the EU forced CCP to apply VAT.
Have you payed attention at all?
In raw cash, it costs the europeans more to play EVE than Americans.
If anything, they deserve more of a discount to be in-line with American prices.
naaaa, they can wait for the US to take over the world and pay taxes for us yanks....let them enjoy EU life while they can.
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Slynk
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: F4ze
our universities cost between 80 and 450 euro per year to attend.
Holy crap.. My first year of college alone was 36k! And that didnt include books. I have been out of school for several years and i havent even started to make a dent in my student loans. Hell, i think i would take the higher taxes for better education and healthcare like that.
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
could you blame them?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:17:00 -
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Dark Shikari managed to make the silliest post yet.
After I point out that I was remiss to neglect the currency exchange, he actually quotes what I said and chides me for something derived completely from the curency exchange issue which I was accepting fault for in the quote he used.
It make me feel good that even if I make a mistake(not looking at changes in currency rates since Euros got the rebate), someone else will always come along and make an even more foolish mistake as they flame me.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Slynk
Originally by: F4ze
our universities cost between 80 and 450 euro per year to attend.
Holy crap.. My first year of college alone was 36k! And that didnt include books. I have been out of school for several years and i havent even started to make a dent in my student loans. Hell, i think i would take the higher taxes for better education and healthcare like that.
Are you sure? bare in mind that when you take into consideration Income tax, poll tax, stamp duty, petrol duty, beer duty, interest tax, inheritence tax, VAT, and every other God damned tax about, some european countries see as little as 30-40% of their income?
me? I'm currently about ú18000 in debt. (I'm just about to finish as a UK student). This is just about average at the moment. ú13k of that is student loan, and gets taken out of my wages (when I start earning over ú12k a year) at the same stage as Tax/ NI. Doesn't the US have some wierd system where you get paid full but then have to pay the tax back to the IRS?
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Veratyr
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
Doesn't the US have some wierd system where you get paid full but then have to pay the tax back to the IRS?
Well, there's payroll tax which is taken directly out of your paycheck. 1/2 is paid by your employer, and you never even see that money (it never even is considered part of your gross income!) and 1/2 is deducted from your gross income. Payroll tax, in total, is about 15%.
After payroll tax, your employer withholds some of your gross income and sends it to the Treasury Department. This amount is credited to the total amount of tax you owe for the calendar year.
If your employer didn't withhold enough, you pay more tax on April 15th (my situation!). If your employer over-withheld, you get tax back - this happens to millions of people.
And this is just an over-simplified summary!
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Mak'shar Karrde
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Posted - 2006.03.31 21:41:00 -
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Look, lets make this simple...
Euro = Currency.
European = Person.
FFS, stop calling me a EURO, it's lazy and it ****es me off.
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sho Dimmar
'Euros' as you call us pay 15Ç a month. 15Ç is equal to $18.18 at todays exchange rate. US players pay $15 a month. Therefore, 'Euros' are paying more, so if anything at all, we should be getting a reduction in price.
The price is partially based on preception. "15" is just a nice, even number that a lot of people are willing to pay as a monthly rate on a MMO, regardless of the currency involved or exchange rates.
It's not rational, of course, but you won't get very far by demanding the world act rationally all the time :)
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Veratyr
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
"15" is just a nice, even number that a lot of people are willing to pay as a monthly rate on a MMO
I agree. 20 seems too high (even 19.99 does!) and 9.99 seems too cheap.
15 is easier to rationalize...
$15 is the price of one drink in some of the ridiculous up-scale bars here in NYC.
Or the price of two pitchers of beer (and tip) in a dive bar...
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Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:16:00 -
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All this exchange rate stuff made me look up some things,
I make 6.31 EUR/Hour or for you chaps,
4.40 GBP/Hour.
That good or bad compared to European standards?
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Veratyr
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
All this exchange rate stuff made me look up some things,
I make 6.31 EUR/Hour or for you chaps,
4.40 GBP/Hour.
That good or bad compared to European standards?
AFAIK, people in Europe talk about how much they make in a month. At least, that's how they did it in Germany when I lived there.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:20:00 -
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I pay 8 quid a month for eve... Dunno what anyone else from england is paying. We're beating the dollar's ass right now.
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Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Veratyr
Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
All this exchange rate stuff made me look up some things,
I make 6.31 EUR/Hour or for you chaps,
4.40 GBP/Hour.
That good or bad compared to European standards?
AFAIK, people in Europe talk about how much they make in a month. At least, that's how they did it in Germany when I lived there.
ok lemme see then,
40 hrs a week, 4 weeks a month...carry the one, add the 2 and i get
704 GBP or 1010 EUR. This is all pre tax too.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
All this exchange rate stuff made me look up some things,
I make 6.31 EUR/Hour or for you chaps,
4.40 GBP/Hour.
That good or bad compared to European standards?
We have minimum wage in the UK
for an 16-17 year old I think its 3.20 an hour, 18-19 4.35 an hour, and for 21-+ 4.45 or 4.50 I forget.
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Domatavus Fallatus
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ediz Daxx
Knowledge is your friend...
some ppl seem to have none....
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Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
All this exchange rate stuff made me look up some things,
I make 6.31 EUR/Hour or for you chaps,
4.40 GBP/Hour.
That good or bad compared to European standards?
We have minimum wage in the UK
for an 16-17 year old I think its 3.20 an hour, 18-19 4.35 an hour, and for 21-+ 4.45 or 4.50 I forget.
ahh, so its not much different than here as im making $7.65 which is just a little higher than the $5.15 federal minimum wage which was raised in 1997. I feel a little better now that i know on both sides of the "pond" were equally poor.
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Veratyr
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Bilko
I feel a little better now that i know on both sides of the "pond" were equally poor.
That's not entirely true.
Two Swedish economists did an analysis in 2004 on the standards of living in the USA and in the EU, and determined that poor Americans have a better standard of living than average Europeans.
A PDF copy of their study is
here.
So if you are an average poor person in the USA, you have a better standard of living than an average person living in the EU.
An article talking about the study is here.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Veratyr
Originally by: Sensor Error
Doesn't the US have some wierd system where you get paid full but then have to pay the tax back to the IRS?
Well, there's payroll tax which is taken directly out of your paycheck. 1/2 is paid by your employer, and you never even see that money (it never even is considered part of your gross income!) and 1/2 is deducted from your gross income. Payroll tax, in total, is about 15%.
After payroll tax, your employer withholds some of your gross income and sends it to the Treasury Department. This amount is credited to the total amount of tax you owe for the calendar year.
If your employer didn't withhold enough, you pay more tax on April 15th (my situation!). If your employer over-withheld, you get tax back - this happens to millions of people.
And this is just an over-simplified summary!
sounds exactly like the UK system... So why do you see so many things on TV about "filing your tax returns" I remember seeing Homer claiming he had like seven children in one episode and the IRS stomping on his butt for it, in the UK you don't ever have to talk to the IR (unless your employers under/ over paid you)
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lasarith
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:55:00 -
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even though with the exchange rate 15.00e =about ú10.00 but i still end up paying ú15.00 : |
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.31 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
I pay 8 quid a month for eve... Dunno what anyone else from england is paying. We're beating the dollar's ass right now.
Some people still pay in $ and avoid the tax... My account got moved over before I cancelled it, and these two new ones are also charged in Ç. Think last month came to ú10.20.
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Veratyr
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Posted - 2006.03.31 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
So why do you see so many things on TV about "filing your tax returns" I remember seeing Homer claiming he had like seven children in one episode and the IRS stomping on his butt for it, in the UK you don't ever have to talk to the IR (unless your employers under/ over paid you)
There is a form that calculates how much should be withheld from your taxes; you file this form with your employer (who files it with the IRS).
Since children are an automatic deduction, if you claim you have 20 children, you can be pretty sure no income taxes will be witheld from your paycheck, and you get all your money now.
However, if you really only have 3 children, when the time comes and you file your tax return, the truth comes out and you have to pay all those taxes at once.
Above a certain level, the IRS gets ****ed if you didn't pay enough estimated taxes (time value of money 4tw!).
Hopefully, that made sense...
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.03.31 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
In case you dont know.
Euros and and Yanks pay taxes in different ways. Euros pay something called "VAT". Its a set % on almost all services and products.
Americans primarily pay taxes on income.
EVE gives Euros a discount when they pay for EVE that is equal to what they pay in VAT.
This isnt fair.
To be fair Americans should get an equal reduction in price. We pay taxes too just not the same way.
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
Right now, the Euro is valued a lot higher than the dollar, so the euro pay minus the VAT tax makes for about the same price as the americans pay for an EVE subscription.
Before the VAT was introduced, the dollar was about the same as the Euro, but at around the same time as the VAT was introduced, the dollar plummeted in value, so in essense, CCP is making the same real income.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.31 23:13:00 -
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Perfect EvE post OP.
Whiney and totally inaccurate.
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.03.31 23:25:00 -
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Average wage in the UK is about ú416 a week, pre-tax and National Insurance.
At the other end of the scale, I charge my top engineers out (including myself) at up to ú1.78.... a minute
I'll shut up now.
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LittleTerror
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Posted - 2006.03.31 23:36:00 -
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Maybe we get taxed a crap load more than you... Pay deductions and expensive cars expensive fuel expensive comps expensive house expensive internet expensive shoes expensive food expensive phone bill etc etc. Everything is f**king expensive in the uk man |
LittleTerror
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Posted - 2006.03.31 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Aure
Average wage in the UK is about ú416 a week, pre-tax and National Insurance.
At the other end of the scale, I charge my top engineers out (including myself) at up to ú1.78.... a minute
I'll shut up now.
Average ???
Your having a laugh right ?
That can't be average since most are unskilled and are lucky to scrap in ú200 a week..
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.03.31 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror
Originally by: Raven Aure
Average wage in the UK is about ú416 a week, pre-tax and National Insurance.
At the other end of the scale, I charge my top engineers out (including myself) at up to ú1.78.... a minute
I'll shut up now.
Average ???
Your having a laugh right ?
That can't be average since most are unskilled and are lucky to scrap in ú200 a week..
Sorry, I'm using slightly out of date figures. Here's the link from the national office of statistics to back up what I'm saying. NSO Average Earnings
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LittleTerror
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Posted - 2006.03.31 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Aure
Originally by: LittleTerror
Originally by: Raven Aure
Average wage in the UK is about ú416 a week, pre-tax and National Insurance.
At the other end of the scale, I charge my top engineers out (including myself) at up to ú1.78.... a minute
I'll shut up now.
Average ???
Your having a laugh right ?
That can't be average since most are unskilled and are lucky to scrap in ú200 a week..
Sorry, I'm using slightly out of date figures. Here's the link from the national office of statistics to back up what I'm saying. NSO Average Earnings
lol you go off them goverment examples this is all the hush hush crap they use to lie about stuff. pretty much like how they try to keep the unemployment figures down by putting down that you worked with x employment agency for this long. When in fact you only worked 2 weeks through them BUT!! you register with them 6 months befor they offered you work so they put it down as you being at work. Why ? well it keeps unemployment down and makes it all look fine hrhr .. |
Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.03.31 23:54:00 -
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At the end of the day .......
You pays your money , You takes your choice.
Regards
Al Thorr
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.31 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 31/03/2006 23:58:42
Originally by: Ghoest
In case you dont know.
Euros and and Yanks pay taxes in different ways. Euros pay something called "VAT". Its a set % on almost all services and products.
Americans primarily pay taxes on income.
EVE gives Euros a discount when they pay for EVE that is equal to what they pay in VAT.
This isnt fair.
To be fair Americans should get an equal reduction in price. We pay taxes too just not the same way.
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
I haven't read the rest of this thread, cause quite frankly the topic is so retarded I can't be bothered. But I can't resist replying cause being dutch this is some of the funniest stuff you can read, like ever.
Compaired to me, you don't even pay income tax you nubling, ( income tax is a minimal 35% over here, up to 50% if you earn more then minimum ) which doesn't include the tax of 19% that's on just about every item you buy ( except for food, it's only 6% on food )
And yeah I'm not being friendly here, but geez, if you go on "educating" me on how the europian tax system works when you don't have the faintest idea, that's what you deserve, and get.
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Posted - 2006.04.01 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Larshus Magrus
I'm in the unique position that I have experienced Taxes in Euroland (Switzerland) and well as America.
Don't kid yourselves. no matter how you sliCe and dice it, the taxes are nearly the same. Both pay taxes on income, both pay taxes and sales either via VAT or fed/state/county/vity sales and use tax. Both get taxes on tax. Both have Healthcare and wellfare and unemployments and on and on taxes.
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In switzerland taxes were high. Petro was high. Rent was high. Food was high. But Swiss make ALOT more than americans on average with ALOT more benefits. IT all averages out.
Just a few precisions
Switzerland is not part of the European Union, and as such does not use the Euro and is not subject to the same VAT rules.
The VAT in Switzerland (7.6%) is also much lower than its neighbouring countries.
But otherwise yeah, Switzerland is quite an expensive country
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.04.01 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tas Devil on 01/04/2006 00:20:35
Originally by: Raven Aure
Average wage in the UK is about ú416 a week, pre-tax and National Insurance.
At the other end of the scale, I charge my top engineers out (including myself) at up to ú1.78.... a minute
I'll shut up now.
100ú an hour charge is pretty cheap considering its a revenue for a company and not a direct salary...anyway I hope you feel better about boasting on here about your income... I'm sure it impressed everyone
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.01 00:26:00 -
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God I hate when other mericans make us look bad.
euros are getting the short end, not that i's all *THAT* short, but still, I think the op got mixed up just abit.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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R Dan
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Posted - 2006.04.01 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Flyyn
And you know what? If you dont like the taxes you pay...try $750.00 to go to the emergency room at the hospital....$7.00 for the gauze to hold the bleeding in check...$254 for five stitches...and a whooping $978.00 Doctor bill.
Each country pays taxes for nice things like not haveing to pay for the above.
I'm sorry. doesnt medical insurance cover that?
I'm from the UK and have medical insurance too - so i can get private health care, avoid waiting lists etc....(btw means i get taxed for the National Health Service and then dont even use it! cool eh)
And of course when i got my face stitched up over Xmas in france I paid for that - not too bad tbh, and had to claim most of it back against my insurance. (10 stitches....you wouldnt believe how much damage a snowboard to the face can do at high speeds!)
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.04.01 00:34:00 -
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Back to the original issue, you need to look at the cost of eve as a percentage of the average earnings of people in that country or even the percentage of the average disposable income of a person on average wage in that country. This will take account of most tax/vat issues and give a currency indipendant way of looking at the cost of eve.
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Apoll
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Posted - 2006.04.01 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
yes, don't get me started on TAX. in the UK, we pay about 1/3 of our income on basic income tax and national insurance. We're taxed when we earn it........
You forgot the council tax. Another ú1000-$1800 USD (at least here in Leeds), will leave our pockets.
What I cannot understand, in Greece the council tax where i used to live (town same size i live now in UK), is around 80 Euro per year (ú54). And they empty the bins every single day including Saturday at summer months!
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.04.01 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Edited by: Gariuys on 31/03/2006 23:58:42
I haven't read the rest of this thread, cause quite frankly the topic is so retarded I can't be bothered. But I can't resist replying cause being dutch this is some of the funniest stuff you can read, like ever.
Compaired to me, you don't even pay income tax you nubling, ( income tax is a minimal 35% over here, up to 50% if you earn more then minimum ) which doesn't include the tax of 19% that's on just about every item you buy ( except for food, it's only 6% on food )
And yeah I'm not being friendly here, but geez, if you go on "educating" me on how the europian tax system works when you don't have the faintest idea, that's what you deserve, and get.
LOL neither me nor anyone else cares how much you pay in taxes.
All I care about is if CCP is charging me more than you. Of course as i have since noted, due to changes in exchange rates it may actually be quite fair.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.04.01 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 01/04/2006 01:01:55
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
lol your getting ripped off ,dont know why but the eve site decides to charge me in $ even though my address is a UK one ,just checked my last cc statement and i pay ú8.83 for eve.
Pardon? I don't think Oveur has had a new car recently...
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Sarafi
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Posted - 2006.04.01 01:15:00 -
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@op: Cus we're cool
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Sarafi
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Posted - 2006.04.01 01:19:00 -
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God dammit we're paying more
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Dotar Sojat
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Posted - 2006.04.01 02:55:00 -
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And we still have "taxation without representation"
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Quincy TawHarr
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Posted - 2006.04.01 03:45:00 -
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Due to the strong Cdn Dollar (~.81 US -- six years ago it was around .70)
I only pay about $18, but really who cares. We're all paying nearly the same amount.
But to the guy who's paying 11 pounds.... ummm
That's just not right.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.04.01 05:55:00 -
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Despite the OPs complete lack of any knowledge, I'll spell things out:
Europeans pay the equivalent of $18.147805/month. So that blows the first part of his complaint out of the water. And no, they don't get any money back from VAT.
CCP pays a percentage of that 14.95E/$18.147805 to the EU each month depending on where the player lives.
But what really matters is how much ISK CCP gets from their subs.
From Americans CCP gets 914.1925 ISK/month
From Europeans it's 1181.4177 ISK/month. After VAT at 17% they get 980.576691 ISK/month. Some countries will take more money from them.
So, currently, CCP is far happier with European customers, as they get more ISK in profit, but that's a side issue that someone else raised.
But, to reiterate, Americans are paying less in $ than Europeans, so the OP is completely clueless and doesn't have a leg to stand on with his complaint. Please take some basic economics classes before you post again.
Originally by: Bl4zer
But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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Messerschmitt facility
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Posted - 2006.04.01 06:46:00 -
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Edited by: Messerschmitt facility on 01/04/2006 06:48:06
That's why I am happy cause in Romania I could had the option to pay with my debit mastercard in $ rather than Euros
So no VAT plus less money as I had to transfer the currency from RON to USD.
As a side note I understand the Tax for a thing buyed is 17.5% in UK. In Canada is 15%/14% - 8%/7% for the basic stuff. Romania is 19%.
How much % is the Tax for the income in UK? In Canada is up to 40% or lower being directely proportional with the anual income.
Also how much is the inssurance per year in UK? Canada is frikin 2000-4000$ depending your age and in Romania is just 100$/year if you transfer the currency
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.04.01 07:10:00 -
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In answer to the post above my one.
UK Tax has several rates.
Starter is 10% Basic being 22% higher is 40%
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/it.htm
But we also pay 10% national insurance that is compulsary
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Posted - 2006.04.01 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Gariuys
Edited by: Gariuys on 31/03/2006 23:58:42
I haven't read the rest of this thread, cause quite frankly the topic is so retarded I can't be bothered. But I can't resist replying cause being dutch this is some of the funniest stuff you can read, like ever.
Compaired to me, you don't even pay income tax you nubling, ( income tax is a minimal 35% over here, up to 50% if you earn more then minimum ) which doesn't include the tax of 19% that's on just about every item you buy ( except for food, it's only 6% on food )
And yeah I'm not being friendly here, but geez, if you go on "educating" me on how the europian tax system works when you don't have the faintest idea, that's what you deserve, and get.
LOL neither me nor anyone else cares how much you pay in taxes.
All I care about is if CCP is charging me more than you. Of course as i have since noted, due to changes in exchange rates it may actually be quite fair.
Very sympathetic little fellow, aren't ya
Not caring how much others are paying yet whining for attention on the public forums because others pay less (as you mistakenly assumed). So the 1 million question is, do you or don't you care?
Actually no one cares
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Grismar
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Posted - 2006.04.01 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Grismar on 01/04/2006 09:01:59
I happen to pay a 40% income tax (the Netherlands), 19% VAT and still have to cough up 15 euro's, which amounts to $18.19. I can't deduct the VAT, since it's not a business expense (if only). So, I have to work for $30.32 (before taxes) to pay for a single month of play.
So, tell me, how much would the average American have to work for to pay for a single month of play?
Greetings,
Grismar.
PS: 40% is the middle rate, low is 30% and high is 60%. So if you're considering moving over here, think again ^^.
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Roche Pso
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Posted - 2006.04.01 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Americans primarily pay taxes on income.
Really?
Every time I buy something in a store in the USA I get angry that the price I have to pay is more than the sticker price, because of sales tax.
Over here (in all the parts of Europe I have been to) the tax is included in the price on the shelf.
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Teela Belwynn
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Posted - 2006.04.01 10:05:00 -
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Life is good.
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Teles666
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Posted - 2006.04.01 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Roche Pso
Originally by: Ghoest
Americans primarily pay taxes on income.
Really?
Every time I buy something in a store in the USA I get angry that the price I have to pay is more than the sticker price, because of sales tax.
Over here (in all the parts of Europe I have been to) the tax is included in the price on the shelf.
Legal requirement to show the price you pay I think - you can show the ex vat if you like but you must also show the inc vat (unless your a business to business only trade place).
Also, off topic, but I work in an online components reseller, we ship across Europe, and have some custom from the US and Oz too.
Sometimes we get mails that we have over charged or we are lieing about our prices when they just don't understand that different countries don't use the same currency as them and the 'ú' or 'GBP' is not just how funny foriegners say dollar.
Yes you guessed it, it's only ever the US customers who just don't get it.
Isolationism ftw \o/
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.04.01 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
In case you dont know.
Euros and and Yanks pay taxes in different ways. Euros pay something called "VAT". Its a set % on almost all services and products.
Americans primarily pay taxes on income.
EVE gives Euros a discount when they pay for EVE that is equal to what they pay in VAT.
This isnt fair.
To be fair Americans should get an equal reduction in price. We pay taxes too just not the same way.
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
Excuse me but **** off you ignorant dip****. ú10.61 goes on my credit card from my Eve subscription every month. That's $18.45 at the moment.
Thank you now STFU
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.04.01 11:27:00 -
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There is so much ignorance in this thread
VAT stands out for Various Additional Taxes
And everybody pays taxes every year.
In greece we have a 19% VAT atm, and we have a heavier tax rate than the UK, while having smaller salaries.
Let's reduce the 18% VAT from the 15 euro we pay, shall we ?
That's 12.3 euros without tax. Now, according to Google, the rate is "1 Euro = 1.2125 U.S. dollar", so that's 14.91 dollars.
OMG THAT'S CLOSE !
We pay atm 4 cents less than US players, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Those 4 cents per month per account means about half a dollar a YEAR ! WoW, that saves you LOTs of money, doesn't it ?
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2006.04.01 11:37:00 -
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In the UK, income tax is of such a magnitude that many high income earners work outside of the UK just to avoid the tax. If you were to save up your money and buy x amount of gold coins with it, the gold coins will go up in value over time (gold has never decreased in value) and so you can sell the coins at a higher price sometime in the future and not pay tax on it (that's if you keep it secret that you have the gold coins because this is tax evasion). Not paying tax on this is illegal however because the increasing value of the gold coins is counted as earnings, so if you put in your will "I have ú100k's worth of gold coins in a biscuit tin under my bed" the taxman will come along and say "Oh well this guy has ú100k's worth of gold coins in a biscuit tin and hasn't been paying tax on it, we want 40% of it". So you are left with ú60000k. It's almost extorionate.
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Posted - 2006.04.01 11:46:00 -
[97]
Originally by: coldplasma
Edited by: coldplasma on 01/04/2006 11:38:11
In the UK, income tax is of such a magnitude that many high income earners work outside of the UK just to avoid the tax. If you were to save up your money and buy x amount of gold coins with it, the gold coins will go up in value over time (gold has never decreased in value) and so you can sell the coins at a higher price sometime in the future and not pay tax on it (that's if you keep it secret that you have the gold coins because this is tax evasion). Not paying tax on this is illegal however because the increasing value of the gold coins is counted as earnings, so if you put in your will "I have ú100k's worth of gold coins in a biscuit tin under my bed" when you die, the taxman will come along and say "Oh well this guy has ú100k's worth of gold coins in a biscuit tin and hasn't been paying tax on it, we want 40% of it". So you are left with ú60000k. It's almost extorionate.
Don`t get started on the Inheritance tax....they charge 40% even if you had paid tax on it....
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.04.01 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: FFGR
There is so much ignorance in this thread
VAT stands out for Various Additional Taxes
lol here it stands for value added tax.
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Anton Kamikaze
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Posted - 2006.04.01 13:19:00 -
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Magazines sell for diffent prices in different countries, cars are even cheaper in some neighboring countries than where they are produced, the prices for accounts on the new eve china cluster will probably adapted to the chinese market, although they basically get the same service.
Perhaps you get a higher income anyway to compensate your income tax.
The buying power of one euro depends also on the country, you live in. So for some people it's harder to pay for the accounts than for you, although they work exactly as hard as you. Economy isn't fair. Sorry.
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RedWyvern
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Posted - 2006.04.01 13:35:00 -
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using Paybycash, I have to stump up Ç20 a month for my account. Which is like, um...uh...lots of dollars. So there. Nyaa.
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Har Ganeth
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Posted - 2006.04.01 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Har Ganeth on 01/04/2006 13:39:41
Originally by: Sensor Error
At the moment, the US $ is quite strong, at about what, $1.8 to the GBPú. A couple of years ago the rate was like 1.25 to the GBP. So when it was like that, the US was paying WAAAY less than the euro, so. sush.
Do you understand exchange rates?
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Dakkon Maletu
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Posted - 2006.04.01 13:49:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Dakkon Maletu on 01/04/2006 13:50:28
Originally by: Raven Aure
Average wage in the UK is about ú416 a week, pre-tax and National Insurance.
At the other end of the scale, I charge my top engineers out (including myself) at up to ú1.78.... a minute
I'll shut up now.
Heh. I remember a story I heard from a manager of a lloyds TSB branch. Apparently, when the central computer system for the bank went down, they were paying the IT Bods ú1000 an hour to work their asses off to get it fixed. When a bank the size of lloyds loses all computer gear, they are losing a lot of money.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.04.01 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sensor Error on 01/04/2006 15:26:40
Originally by: Har Ganeth
Edited by: Har Ganeth on 01/04/2006 13:39:41
Originally by: Sensor Error
At the moment, the US $ is quite strong, at about what, $1.8 to the GBPú. A couple of years ago the rate was like 1.25 to the GBP. So when it was like that, the US was paying WAAAY less than the euro, so. sush.
Do you understand exchange rates?
Yes. Its relatively simple. Its like $1.8 to ú1 now, a few years ago it was down at about $1.25 to ú1. Thats quite simple right? so, if someone in America wanted to buy something that cost ú10, now it would cost them $18. A few years ago, it would have cost them $12.50.
So yes, I understand exchange rates. Do you? and ffs, rather than asking a one line question actually say something like "do you understand exchange rates? because from what you've said x, it actually doesn't work like that, it works like y, or maybe you haven't considered z." Posts like that just make baby Jesus cry. And Oveur pod a kitten. And Ginger Magician smack in local some more.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2006.04.01 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: StinkFinger on 01/04/2006 15:30:25
Buy game time cards with isk and avoid taxes.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.01 15:47:00 -
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Peter Armstrong
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Peter Armstrong on 01/04/2006 16:24:02
u know its different in every country on money and way of life etc etc. It seem u didnt do ur homework so well as we pay more for fuel here and energy and all sorts and get income taxs on are wages and local cancil (spelling). We pay Loads of Vat and taxs and natinal insurance as well so do ur bloddy home work when u have the cheapest Fulel and cheap every thing compared to UK. Oh and its not CCP Problem its ur goverment riping u off then deal with them not CCP. So STFU
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Kayraa
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:38:00 -
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All you guys complaining about your "high" taxes might as well go home.
In Denmark income taxes vary from 38% at the lowest to a breathtaking 68% for high incomes - on top of that we pay another 8% on income before we even get to pay the taxes, we pay 25% on bought goods, and a liter of gas costs around 1.3ú - 1.5$
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Peter Armstrong
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Despite the OPs complete lack of any knowledge, I'll spell things out:
Europeans pay the equivalent of $18.147805/month. So that blows the first part of his complaint out of the water. And no, they don't get any money back from VAT.
CCP pays a percentage of that 14.95E/$18.147805 to the EU each month depending on where the player lives.
But what really matters is how much ISK CCP gets from their subs.
From Americans CCP gets 914.1925 ISK/month
From Europeans it's 1181.4177 ISK/month. After VAT at 17% they get 980.576691 ISK/month. Some countries will take more money from them.
So, currently, CCP is far happier with European customers, as they get more ISK in profit, but that's a side issue that someone else raised.
But, to reiterate, Americans are paying less in $ than Europeans, so the OP is completely clueless and doesn't have a leg to stand on with his complaint. Please take some basic economics classes before you post again.
signed
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Peter Armstrong
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:40:00 -
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blah blah blah and u know what i hate money!! Everything should be free and thats including ships on eve!!
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
No, but I do.
Testy's Eve Blog!
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.04.01 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
At least the Euros know how to work out exchange rates, taxes and so forth, unlike you.
Plus CCP is closer to Europe? So why wouldn't they favour us? duh.
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2006.04.01 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chippie MS
Come and fill your car up with petrol and then *****.
We pay 92p a litre thats nearly ú5 a gallon which is what about $9............ how much is it in the us? $2
119 isk (icelandic kronas) per liter which is approx 0.97 pounds - thats the most expensive service petrol.. the cheapest is at 113 isk which is 0.92 pounds... so its about the same here (and i was about to show you how much more absurdly priced petrol was in iceland)
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-Fate is what you make of it.
-Make your own fate using T2 items produced by The Fated
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Snarfster Ekoki
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Posted - 2006.04.02 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Larshus Magrus
I'm in the unique position that I have experienced Taxes in Euroland (Switzerland) and well as America.
Don't kid yourselves. no matter how you sliCe and dice it, the taxes are nearly the same. Both pay taxes on income, both pay taxes and sales either via VAT or fed/state/county/vity sales and use tax. Both get taxes on tax. Both have Healthcare and wellfare and unemployments and on and on taxes.
Which tax is higher overall? Its debateable based on.. and here is the kicker, spending and earning patterns. If you are taxed in total 22% and median income is 25k $ per year or you are taxed 44$ and you average income is 45k Euroes a year who pays more? ITs a wash.
In switzerland taxes were high. Petro was high. Rent was high. Food was high. But Swiss make ALOT more than americans on average with ALOT more benefits. IT all averages out.
Ehm, the Swiss aren't using the Euro, they have their own currency, the Franc
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2006.04.02 23:38:00 -
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We pay less so CCP can keep people with threads like this to a minimum.
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2006.04.02 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: DarkStar251 on 02/04/2006 23:50:48
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
lol at all the above posts.
However what I am wondering is why we are paying VAT on a service when it is under the ú18 for imported services and goods? Sure... more than 1 monthly subscriptions require VAT, but 1 monthers do not.
Also if a product/service contains VAT you should recieve a VAT reciept in return or at least have the option to ask for one to claim it back should you be eligible to place a claim. It should also be mentioned at either the time of payment, or on the product/service itself.
The company charging VAT on the product is also required to register with the inland revenue as a VAT registered company, and MUST supply a VAT number when asked to provide one.
With all of the above, and none being evident (at least when using paybycash) arent some laws being broken?? hmm... what do you think?
For a start, the Reason we have to pay VAT is because Freeserve/Wannado whined to the EU that AOL didnt have to pay VAT on their subscriptions when Freeserve did.
Linkage
The EU responded by putting a VAT on 'content providers' whatever the price level. This includes MMORPGs
Therefore, freeserve screwed over everyone in the EU. Thanks guys.
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2006.04.02 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less?
It's usually best to check your facts before you post on forums. In any case, if I were to pay monthly it'd cost me around $22. And since you asked, ofcourse Euros are better than US... duh.
Originally by: Ravenal
Originally by: Chippie MS
Come and fill your car up with petrol and then *****.
We pay 92p a litre thats nearly ú5 a gallon which is what about $9............ how much is it in the us? $2
119 isk (icelandic kronas) per liter which is approx 0.97 pounds - thats the most expensive service petrol.. the cheapest is at 113 isk which is 0.92 pounds... so its about the same here (and i was about to show you how much more absurdly priced petrol was in iceland)
Your diesel is half the price.
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Cethrie
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Posted - 2006.04.03 02:45:00 -
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Ohhh my god noo.. how can this be.. CCP must really hate us Australians!
15 Euro = 25.41 Australian dollars!!!
CCP are screwing us sooo badly!
Please fix world economics as soon as possible CCP!
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