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Roche Pso	Posted - 2006.04.01 09:03:00 - [91] Originally by: Ghoest Americans primarily pay taxes on income. Really? Every time I buy something in a store in the USA I get angry that the price I have to pay is more than the sticker price, because of sales tax. Over here (in all the parts of Europe I have been to) the tax is included in the price on the shelf.
Teela Belwynn	Posted - 2006.04.01 10:05:00 - [92] Life is good. *♥ WGoE* ♥**
Teles666	Posted - 2006.04.01 10:39:00 - [93] Originally by: Roche Pso Originally by: Ghoest Americans primarily pay taxes on income. Really? Every time I buy something in a store in the USA I get angry that the price I have to pay is more than the sticker price, because of sales tax. Over here (in all the parts of Europe I have been to) the tax is included in the price on the shelf. Legal requirement to show the price you pay I think - you can show the ex vat if you like but you must also show the inc vat (unless your a business to business only trade place). Also, off topic, but I work in an online components reseller, we ship across Europe, and have some custom from the US and Oz too. Sometimes we get mails that we have over charged or we are lieing about our prices when they just don't understand that different countries don't use the same currency as them and the 'ú' or 'GBP' is not just how funny foriegners say dollar. Yes you guessed it, it's only ever the US customers who just don't get it. Isolationism ftw \o/
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.04.01 10:54:00 - [94] Originally by: Ghoest In case you dont know. Euros and and Yanks pay taxes in different ways. Euros pay something called "VAT". Its a set % on almost all services and products. Americans primarily pay taxes on income. EVE gives Euros a discount when they pay for EVE that is equal to what they pay in VAT. This isnt fair. To be fair Americans should get an equal reduction in price. We pay taxes too just not the same way. Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less? Excuse me but ** off you ignorant dip**. ú10.61 goes on my credit card from my Eve subscription every month. That's $18.45 at the moment. Thank you now STFU ---------- - Office Linebacker -
FFGR	Posted - 2006.04.01 11:27:00 - [95] There is so much ignorance in this thread VAT stands out for Various Additional Taxes And everybody pays taxes every year. In greece we have a 19% VAT atm, and we have a heavier tax rate than the UK, while having smaller salaries. Let's reduce the 18% VAT from the 15 euro we pay, shall we ? That's 12.3 euros without tax. Now, according to Google, the rate is "1 Euro = 1.2125 U.S. dollar", so that's 14.91 dollars. OMG THAT'S CLOSE ! We pay atm 4 cents less than US players, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Those 4 cents per month per account means about half a dollar a YEAR ! WoW, that saves you LOTs of money, doesn't it ? _____________________________ siggy v. 0.1, bare with my Photoshop n00bness
coldplasma	Posted - 2006.04.01 11:37:00 - [96] In the UK, income tax is of such a magnitude that many high income earners work outside of the UK just to avoid the tax. If you were to save up your money and buy x amount of gold coins with it, the gold coins will go up in value over time (gold has never decreased in value) and so you can sell the coins at a higher price sometime in the future and not pay tax on it (that's if you keep it secret that you have the gold coins because this is tax evasion). Not paying tax on this is illegal however because the increasing value of the gold coins is counted as earnings, so if you put in your will "I have ú100k's worth of gold coins in a biscuit tin under my bed" the taxman will come along and say "Oh well this guy has ú100k's worth of gold coins in a biscuit tin and hasn't been paying tax on it, we want 40% of it". So you are left with ú60000k. It's almost extorionate. --------------------------------- AIIIIIR
Ky Vatta	Posted - 2006.04.01 11:46:00 - [97] Originally by: coldplasma Edited by: coldplasma on 01/04/2006 11:38:11 In the UK, income tax is of such a magnitude that many high income earners work outside of the UK just to avoid the tax. If you were to save up your money and buy x amount of gold coins with it, the gold coins will go up in value over time (gold has never decreased in value) and so you can sell the coins at a higher price sometime in the future and not pay tax on it (that's if you keep it secret that you have the gold coins because this is tax evasion). Not paying tax on this is illegal however because the increasing value of the gold coins is counted as earnings, so if you put in your will "I have ú100k's worth of gold coins in a biscuit tin under my bed" when you die, the taxman will come along and say "Oh well this guy has ú100k's worth of gold coins in a biscuit tin and hasn't been paying tax on it, we want 40% of it". So you are left with ú60000k. It's almost extorionate. Don`t get started on the Inheritance tax....they charge 40% even if you had paid tax on it....
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:03:00 - [98] Originally by: FFGR There is so much ignorance in this thread VAT stands out for Various Additional Taxes lol here it stands for value added tax. ----- If you kill all the wolves, your gonna end up with a crapload of bunnies, and by bunnies I mean stupid people
Anton Kamikaze	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:19:00 - [99] Magazines sell for diffent prices in different countries, cars are even cheaper in some neighboring countries than where they are produced, the prices for accounts on the new eve china cluster will probably adapted to the chinese market, although they basically get the same service. Perhaps you get a higher income anyway to compensate your income tax. The buying power of one euro depends also on the country, you live in. So for some people it's harder to pay for the accounts than for you, although they work exactly as hard as you. Economy isn't fair. Sorry.
RedWyvern	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:35:00 - [100] using Paybycash, I have to stump up Ç20 a month for my account. Which is like, um...uh...lots of dollars. So there. Nyaa. -------------------------------------------------- Loyalty, Integrity, Honour.
Har Ganeth	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:39:00 - [101] Edited by: Har Ganeth on 01/04/2006 13:39:41 Originally by: Sensor Error At the moment, the US $ is quite strong, at about what, $1.8 to the GBPú. A couple of years ago the rate was like 1.25 to the GBP. So when it was like that, the US was paying WAAAY less than the euro, so. sush. Do you understand exchange rates?
Dakkon Maletu	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:49:00 - [102] Edited by: Dakkon Maletu on 01/04/2006 13:50:28 Originally by: Raven Aure Average wage in the UK is about ú416 a week, pre-tax and National Insurance. At the other end of the scale, I charge my top engineers out (including myself) at up to ú1.78.... a minute I'll shut up now. Heh. I remember a story I heard from a manager of a lloyds TSB branch. Apparently, when the central computer system for the bank went down, they were paying the IT Bods ú1000 an hour to work their asses off to get it fixed. When a bank the size of lloyds loses all computer gear, they are losing a lot of money.
Sensor Error	Posted - 2006.04.01 15:25:00 - [103] Edited by: Sensor Error on 01/04/2006 15:26:40 Originally by: Har Ganeth Edited by: Har Ganeth on 01/04/2006 13:39:41 Originally by: Sensor Error At the moment, the US $ is quite strong, at about what, $1.8 to the GBPú. A couple of years ago the rate was like 1.25 to the GBP. So when it was like that, the US was paying WAAAY less than the euro, so. sush. Do you understand exchange rates? Yes. Its relatively simple. Its like $1.8 to ú1 now, a few years ago it was down at about $1.25 to ú1. Thats quite simple right? so, if someone in America wanted to buy something that cost ú10, now it would cost them $18. A few years ago, it would have cost them $12.50. So yes, I understand exchange rates. Do you? and ffs, rather than asking a one line question actually say something like "do you understand exchange rates? because from what you've said x, it actually doesn't work like that, it works like y, or maybe you haven't considered z." Posts like that just make baby Jesus cry. And Oveur pod a kitten. And Ginger Magician smack in local some more. RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! ------------------------------------------ Now run along and play with your dolls...
StinkFinger	Posted - 2006.04.01 15:30:00 - [104] Edited by: StinkFinger on 01/04/2006 15:30:25 Buy game time cards with isk and avoid taxes. --
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.01 15:47:00 - [105] ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:17:00 - [106] Edited by: Peter Armstrong on 01/04/2006 16:24:02 u know its different in every country on money and way of life etc etc. It seem u didnt do ur homework so well as we pay more for fuel here and energy and all sorts and get income taxs on are wages and local cancil (spelling). We pay Loads of Vat and taxs and natinal insurance as well so do ur bloddy home work when u have the cheapest Fulel and cheap every thing compared to UK. Oh and its not CCP Problem its ur goverment riping u off then deal with them not CCP. So STFU
Kayraa	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:38:00 - [107] All you guys complaining about your "high" taxes might as well go home. In Denmark income taxes vary from 38% at the lowest to a breathtaking 68% for high incomes - on top of that we pay another 8% on income before we even get to pay the taxes, we pay 25% on bought goods, and a liter of gas costs around 1.3ú - 1.5$
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:39:00 - [108] Originally by: F'nog Despite the OPs complete lack of any knowledge, I'll spell things out: Europeans pay the equivalent of $18.147805/month. So that blows the first part of his complaint out of the water. And no, they don't get any money back from VAT. CCP pays a percentage of that 14.95E/$18.147805 to the EU each month depending on where the player lives. But what really matters is how much ISK CCP gets from their subs. From Americans CCP gets 914.1925 ISK/month From Europeans it's 1181.4177 ISK/month. After VAT at 17% they get 980.576691 ISK/month. Some countries will take more money from them. So, currently, CCP is far happier with European customers, as they get more ISK in profit, but that's a side issue that someone else raised. But, to reiterate, Americans are paying less in $ than Europeans, so the OP is completely clueless and doesn't have a leg to stand on with his complaint. Please take some basic economics classes before you post again. signed
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:40:00 - [109] blah blah blah and u know what i hate money!! Everything should be free and thats including ships on eve!!
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:54:00 - [110] Originally by: Ghoest Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less? No, but I do. Testy's Eve Blog!
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.04.01 17:21:00 - [111] Originally by: Ghoest Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less? At least the Euros know how to work out exchange rates, taxes and so forth, unlike you. Plus CCP is closer to Europe? So why wouldn't they favour us? duh. -------------- I'm just bitter
Ravenal	Posted - 2006.04.01 17:56:00 - [112] Originally by: Chippie MS Come and fill your car up with petrol and then *****. We pay 92p a litre thats nearly ú5 a gallon which is what about $9............ how much is it in the us? $2 119 isk (icelandic kronas) per liter which is approx 0.97 pounds - thats the most expensive service petrol.. the cheapest is at 113 isk which is 0.92 pounds... so its about the same here (and i was about to show you how much more absurdly priced petrol was in iceland) . -Fate is what you make of it. -Make your own fate using T2 items produced by The Fated
Snarfster Ekoki	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:33:00 - [113] Originally by: Larshus Magrus I'm in the unique position that I have experienced Taxes in Euroland (Switzerland) and well as America. Don't kid yourselves. no matter how you sliCe and dice it, the taxes are nearly the same. Both pay taxes on income, both pay taxes and sales either via VAT or fed/state/county/vity sales and use tax. Both get taxes on tax. Both have Healthcare and wellfare and unemployments and on and on taxes. Which tax is higher overall? Its debateable based on.. and here is the kicker, spending and earning patterns. If you are taxed in total 22% and median income is 25k $ per year or you are taxed 44$ and you average income is 45k Euroes a year who pays more? ITs a wash. In switzerland taxes were high. Petro was high. Rent was high. Food was high. But Swiss make ALOT more than americans on average with ALOT more benefits. IT all averages out. Ehm, the Swiss aren't using the Euro, they have their own currency, the Franc
Wendat Huron	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:38:00 - [114] We pay less so CCP can keep people with threads like this to a minimum.
DarkStar251	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:46:00 - [115] Edited by: DarkStar251 on 02/04/2006 23:50:48 Originally by: M3ta7h3ad lol at all the above posts. However what I am wondering is why we are paying VAT on a service when it is under the ú18 for imported services and goods? Sure... more than 1 monthly subscriptions require VAT, but 1 monthers do not. Also if a product/service contains VAT you should recieve a VAT reciept in return or at least have the option to ask for one to claim it back should you be eligible to place a claim. It should also be mentioned at either the time of payment, or on the product/service itself. The company charging VAT on the product is also required to register with the inland revenue as a VAT registered company, and MUST supply a VAT number when asked to provide one. With all of the above, and none being evident (at least when using paybycash) arent some laws being broken?? hmm... what do you think? For a start, the Reason we have to pay VAT is because Freeserve/Wannado whined to the EU that AOL didnt have to pay VAT on their subscriptions when Freeserve did. Linkage The EU responded by putting a VAT on 'content providers' whatever the price level. This includes MMORPGs Therefore, freeserve screwed over everyone in the EU. Thanks guys.
Redwolf	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:57:00 - [116] Originally by: Ghoest Does CCP think Euros are better than US players so they should pay less? It's usually best to check your facts before you post on forums. In any case, if I were to pay monthly it'd cost me around $22. And since you asked, ofcourse Euros are better than US... duh. Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: Chippie MS Come and fill your car up with petrol and then *****. We pay 92p a litre thats nearly ú5 a gallon which is what about $9............ how much is it in the us? $2 119 isk (icelandic kronas) per liter which is approx 0.97 pounds - thats the most expensive service petrol.. the cheapest is at 113 isk which is 0.92 pounds... so its about the same here (and i was about to show you how much more absurdly priced petrol was in iceland) Your diesel is half the price.
Cethrie	Posted - 2006.04.03 02:45:00 - [117] Ohhh my god noo.. how can this be.. CCP must really hate us Australians! 15 Euro = 25.41 Australian dollars!!! CCP are screwing us sooo badly! Please fix world economics as soon as possible CCP!

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