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Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:21:00 -
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I question the thinking behind having such a long skill requirement to fit bastion module (and subsequently to fly the marauder). Do CCP think we subscribe to get that skill and hate our time before we get that skill, or because we enjoy playing and will subscribe even if we had trained all skills to level 5 long ago? |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:57:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:All of which is irrelevant to the fact, requirements that are not required. Sour grapes. How is putting skill reqs on marauders any different then any other skill requirements on anything?
Do you just spew ignorant crap on the forums to advertise the garbage in your tagline? |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:14:00 -
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Ronny Hugo wrote:I question the thinking behind having such a long skill requirement to fit bastion module (and subsequently to fly the marauder). Do CCP think we subscribe to get that skill and hate our time before we get that skill, or because we enjoy playing and will subscribe even if we had trained all skills to level 5 long ago?
I think their theory is training skills keeps people subscribing, not necessarily playing.
I started another toon using the black friday special, and played a little while in faction warfare. I just could not deal with another training queue and deleted him, scrambled my password and let the account expire.
The game is about making isk, which is what most of ccp's training sessions are on.
Then the intelligence factor in this game is in the dirt. You need only read the replies in this post. I went over to the rift forums to look for a warrior build for leveling, and well, there is no contest. No wonder I get irritable reading posts in this game. I don't tolerate stupid very well.
Original point still stands, those 2 skills I listed in the original post have nothing to do with ship skill and should not be a requirement for using the ship. |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter
89
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Posted - 2014.02.01 02:18:00 -
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Arsine is right. Just because the bastion module is designed for the maruader doesn't mean it should be a required thing to train for to use the maruader. That goes for the other stupid requirements ccp added to ships during odyssey as well. <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
My Little Pyongyang
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.02.01 08:23:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote: The game is about making isk, which is what most of ccp's training sessions are on.
This game is about making killmails, isk is just a means to an end. Whether you are on the giving or receiving end of the mail is not important. |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
63
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Posted - 2014.02.01 09:11:00 -
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this game is not about either making isk, getting kills, or owning space, IT'S A GAME! IT'S ABOUT HAVING FUN!
OP may believe that the game would be more fun if there were no/less skill req's to fly/use things, responders seem to mostly believe that the wait makes the end goal more worthwhile or that it encourages them to gain more RL skills while their queue chugs away at the in-game skills.
How about we wait and see what CCP does?
The one thing I WILL say - the french revolution tried to make everybody equal in the reign of terror, but the only way they could do that was to bring them DOWN to the same level..... I doubt anyone would like that - there'd be one ship that we'd all fly, and it would come with an unalterable fit..... no thanks. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1514
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Posted - 2014.02.01 09:43:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Batelle wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:All of which is irrelevant to the fact, requirements that are not required. Sour grapes. How is putting skill reqs on marauders any different then any other skill requirements on anything? Do you just spew ignorant crap on the forums to advertise the garbage in your tagline?
How stupid can you be? The garbage in my sig is my own little personal reminder that CCP let the biggest RMT operation in Eve's history cash completely out scott-free, after CCP gave them three hyper-unique ships worth at minimum hundreds of billions each.
Which is beside the point. Marauder skill requirements make complete sense to pretty much everybody. I noticed you're pretty much ignoring the answers to your questions in order to flame people.
You are whining. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Enya Sparhawk
State Protectorate Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.02.01 09:48:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Just bite it and train the dam skills already, you'll be better for it.
Arsine Mayhem wrote:That's not the point of the thread.
I have it partly trained, but I keep switching around. I will get it trained if I play that long, and it would have been done years ago if the game was entertaining enough. If I'm not playing I close the account so I don't have to think about it anymore.
All of which is irrelevant to the fact, requirements that are not required.
Hmmm, I'm having a hard time following what your point actually is...
I personally have no problems with the skills requirements the way they are now for this class of ship (it is a good reflection of how advanced you need to be inorder to fly an advanced ship)... now they actually serve a definite purpose...
Bridging the gap between the subs and capitals...
I will say, I see somewhat what you are trying to say, but generally I hold the same belief for all skills not just the ship ones...
I'll give you an example, I have an alt who was wanting to build some Tech 2 Torp launchers, but I needed a Rocket Science skill to level 3...
It got me thinking, I can train this science skill to level 3 and build what I wanted to but what does training it to level 5 get me...
A prereq for something else...
Imagine if that extra little bit actually gave you an extra little bit for whatever you were working on... two levels gives you a percent per level reduction in material cost (reflecting the effiiciency in working in rocket science)
Going beyond the pre-reqs in skill training...
That would be some true mastery there... F+¡orghr+í: Gr+í na f+¡rinne D+¬an g+íire...Tiocfaidh +ír l+í |
My Little Pyongyang
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.02.01 10:12:00 -
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Xe'Cara'eos wrote:this game is not about either making isk, getting kills, or owning space, IT'S A GAME! IT'S ABOUT HAVING FUN!
This is EVE. No fun allowed. |
Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
53
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Posted - 2014.02.01 10:40:00 -
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here is the thing this isn't a game where you only need 1 skill for anything it's a game with lore, history and a back story. The fitting skills that you say are not needed are what make the ship work energy grid upgrades as well as just being a skill that you train is also what improves the ship and gives it the cpu that it has as well as gives your character the ability to get the most out of it's cpu (read increase it) advanced weapon upgrades lets it use the advanced weapons technology such as the bastion module the thing the ship has been designed around your reasoning for not having these skills is the mindset of someone who wants the biggest things now and doesn't want to invest their time and effort into a game and would rather have instant gratification and if that's the case then this isn't the kind of game you're going to enjoy there are plenty of inferior games where you just need 1 skill to use anything you like where you get instant gratification eve isn't now and never will be one of those games it's a game where you work hard to get the good stuff and you suffer along the way it's a game where liars cheats and back stabbers thrive (note: because someone is a liar cheater and back stabber in the game doesn't make them a bad person it's what the game permits them to do to get ahead and the aim of the game is to win) it's a game with very few limits on what you can do to each other and it's all supported in the game and is the appeal to a great many pilots i would go on but i figure that if you don't grasp that your idea is terrible by now then you just don't get it have fun trying to read it without punctuation but i just couldn't be bothered to put it in today |
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2014.02.01 13:15:00 -
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Enya Sparhawk wrote: Hmmm, I'm having a hard time following what your point actually is...
I personally have no problems with the skills requirements the way they are now for this class of ship (it is a good reflection of how advanced you need to be inorder to fly an advanced ship)... now they actually serve a definite purpose...
Bridging the gap between the subs and capitals...
The point is, ship skills are gathered under "Spaceship Command". Those are the skills required to fly the ship.
Other skills are support (fitting), defense, offense skills should be gathered under Mastery. That is the way most ships in the game are setup for skills. That is how "all" ships should be setup.
I was debating whether to list this as [Fix], because that would be more accurate.
I don't care that "it's been that way". It doesn't make it right.
I don't care about the baston module, that's a separate discussion. This is about ship requirements. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
273
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:05:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:
I don't care about the baston module, that's a separate discussion.
You should, largely because it isn't, its the one were having now.
the ships were balanced around bastion and its pre requisites are rightly considered to be associated with the hull, because that's what its for now.
If you cant use the bastion, you should not be in the hull as without it, the ship is unfit for its purpose.
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
365
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:24:00 -
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Personal attack post removed. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
274
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:36:00 -
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LOL
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:07:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:
I don't care about the baston module, that's a separate discussion.
You should, largely because it isn't, its the one were having now. the ships were balanced around bastion and its pre requisites are rightly considered to be associated with the hull, because that's what its for now. If you cant use the bastion, you should not be in the hull as without it, the ship is unfit for its purpose.
Umm, no, you fail. The requirement was there before the baston module was developed. Whether someone cares to put a baston on their marauder is up to them, not what you "think" they should do with "their" ship.
With your logic, a rifter should have a requirement for a warp scrambler because without it..........Umm, no, you can use a rifter without a warp scrambler.
Marauder == ship
baston == module
It doesn't matter if you are unable to grasp the concept. |
Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
54
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Posted - 2014.02.03 22:48:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote: *snip* It doesn't really matter if you are able to grasp the concept.
the whole reasoning behind why ships have none ship skills has been explained pointed out and all but drummed into you are you still holding that this is a good idea? |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2014.02.04 01:53:00 -
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Gawain Edmond wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote: *snip* It doesn't really matter if you are able to grasp the concept. the whole reasoning behind why ships have none ship skills has been explained pointed out and all but drummed into you are you still holding that this is a good idea?
huh? ships have none ship skills? What does that mean. |
Josh Cox
FC Build 'n Trade
6
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Posted - 2014.02.20 20:22:00 -
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So I read through a good chunk of this thread (but not all of it). Following your logic, all skills not in the spaceship command category should be removed from the marauders skills (and other ships) because they have no relation to piloting the ship and not because of training time. So you would be down for increasing the marauder skill from a 10x skill to a 20x skill if AWU and EGU were removed, to compensate for the much decreased training time, correct? |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us Bask of Fail
55
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Posted - 2014.02.21 05:50:00 -
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So really whats the problem. Umad because it needs AWU5 for the bastion?
Well back in my day, you needed AWU5 for the hull itself, and all the ships were strapped for PG and CPU in most fits that if you hadn't maxed most of your upgrades skills, you couldn't fit them. (honestly, I can go down the line and every single upgrade skill, and regular fitting skill had to be maxed before I could fit out my Golem with T2 torps/XLSB/CB fit. But hey, most of them had been maxed already months before while I was still flying CNR/Rattlesnake)
What I'm reading here is someone wants to fly the best carebear ship in the game, but doesn't want to spend the time to get the skill for it. You know, you don't HAVE to fly a marauder. If you want similar performance, get a pirate BS. Most of them are more mobile than marauders. Machs in particular are great mission boats. Rattlesnakes are practically unkillable (I've flown into sansha missions, with kin/exp hardeners, and still didn't hit <45% shield). Vindicators are actually IMO one of the best mission/ratters dual webs leveled on most anything basically means you don't need tracking buffs.
TLDR its a prereq that was grandfathered in and quite literally has NOTHING to do with the bastion module. They just added the requirements themselves to the bastion module too, because "SYNERGY". And really, should we have day 5 bomber pilots (no EU5) day 5 AFs (no Mech5/PGM5, heck the shield AFs don't even NEED Mech, technically)? Bet commandships shouldn't need L5 in all the "warfare" types too (cause well, they're useless if you don't have them).
Just assume that lore-wise, capsuleers need that degree of skill to actually be able to jack themselves into the T2 ships that require them, else the ships advanced systems might cause some sort of feedback and melt your toons brain.
Or quite literally you might be able to be jacked into the ship, but the toon can't control it because their brain doesn't "know" how to use its systems yet (Perhaps our "skills" are similar to a person's motor nerv control, somewhere along the lines you had to learn how to use the muscles in your arms and legs and so-on) |
Lephia DeGrande
The Scope Gallente Federation
245
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Posted - 2014.02.21 07:55:00 -
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**** Powergrid! I need more CPU on my Gallente Ships! |
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