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Gaj Butler The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:20:00 - [1] - Quote I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket. When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all. I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff... At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
Nicolai Serkanner Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 52	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:21:00 - [2] - Quote You can buy a T3 ship but you needs skills to fly it.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19060	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:23:00 - [3] - Quote Gaj Butler wrote: I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. You need to look a bit closer, then, because it doesn't really work like that. Quote: When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. Same goes for this. There's a term you might have come across that describes those have just paid more: it's GÇ£loot pi+¦ataGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Eaphod Divided Unity The Night Crew Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:23:00 - [4] - Quote Gaj Butler wrote: The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game... I can't believe I even made this far into your post, but I stopped reading after that line. If you don't know or can't remember something as simple as them being called corporations, then you obviously don't know enough about the game to comment on PVP skill.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1491	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:25:00 - [5] - Quote I feel like this is a copy paste job from a troll thread I've seen before. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 937	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:27:00 - [6] - Quote Gaj Butler wrote: I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket. When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all. I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff... At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE. "I quit" posts go to Out of Pod Experience. Do your friends also fly for The Scope? You should talk to Anslo. That guy IS The Scope. :) Seriously though, if you want to PvP get on with RvB. They can help you get better and give you some direction on what to train and how to fly what you're training. Or, you know, quit and wait until 2025 for the Star Citizen release or, you know, spend time with your family, do the housework, study, read a book, or whatever else gives you wood for a short time. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon [Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate]
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations CODE. 3407	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:27:00 - [7] - Quote If you spend enough money, you too can have as much isk as Gevlon Goblin. Source: his blog this week See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Erufen Rito The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 122	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:27:00 - [8] - Quote Upgrade your clone and fill it. Skill found /thread This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Kryptik Kai Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 9287	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:29:00 - [9] - Quote 0/10 Put in more effort next time "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb
Yarda Black Epidemic. Spaceship Samurai 20	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:30:00 - [10] - Quote I dont think this is a usefull thread at all. I also completely disagree. So I'm not gonna tell you the solution either.

Morganta Peripheral Madness 1959	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:30:00 - [11] - Quote you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you
E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 472	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:31:00 - [12] - Quote Gaj Butler wrote: I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket. When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all. I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff... At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE. Seeing something and understanding it is not the same. Skill to fly a ship with modules comes from time invested. You cant just grind your way up like theme park MMO's Skill comes from fitting your ships and understanding what works best against your enemies ship type. Skill comes from knowing when to kite/brawl/run or when to take on 3v1. Skill comes from evading the blob and living to brag about it. Like I told my own son....this game is not for those seeking instant gratification like those you are use to like WOW or Everquest or Guild wars etc.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 4284	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:32:00 - [13] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: Gaj Butler wrote: I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket. When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all. I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff... At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE. "I quit" posts go to Out of Pod Experience. Do your friends also fly for The Scope? You should talk to Anslo. That guy IS The Scope. :) Seriously though, if you want to PvP get on with RvB. They can help you get better and give you some direction on what to train and how to fly what you're training. Or, you know, quit and wait until 2025 for the Star Citizen release or, you know, spend time with your family, do the housework, study, read a book, or whatever else gives you wood for a short time. You could RvB. Or you could come with us. Up to you. Just get a better attitude and open your mind. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 937	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:34:00 - [14] - Quote Morganta wrote: you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you Generally the best learning is accomplished by getting your ass kicked and dying. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon [Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate]
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1491	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:34:00 - [15] - Quote Gaj Butler wrote: it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. I wasn't aware that losing real money didn't matter. Plus, the people that sell plex for pvp have always been a minority (a small minority) in my experience. Especially people in faction warfare are able to fund themselves through in-game activities. Eve is not a twitch shooter. It does involve skill. The judgements of a three week old newbie reflect primarily on the newbie. If you can't make it in this game, that's okay. Most people can't. But don't pretend to know what you're talking about. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 46	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:35:00 - [16] - Quote I...I can't believe this hasn't been asked yet, so...can I have your stuff?
Morganta Peripheral Madness 1960	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:37:00 - [17] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: Morganta wrote: you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you Generally the best learning is accomplished by getting your ass kicked and dying. over and over and over and over... really the OP needs to buy a hundred rifters and go dueling in one of those places where duelers hang out
James Nikolas Tesla Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 56	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:39:00 - [18] - Quote Skill /thread 1/27/14 A hell of a good day to be a miner! Please help me with my ORE Battleship. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=315675
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 172	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:39:00 - [19] - Quote Only way to learn is by getting ships blow up. I am really bad at this game because I don't lose many ships.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 6274	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:47:00 - [20] - Quote You see the difference in equipment and think that's the reason you suck, but that's not it. You're a new player so by default you're terrible at EVE, your character skills are low and your equipment sucks. Buying yourself the best gear won't change the outcome though and neither will more character skills, since it's the player skills and knowledge that makes the most difference. Until you get better as a player in EVE no matter the gear you use or how much skill points you have, you will continue to do badly in PvP. There are hard and easy ways to get better, but either way you're going to have to keep trying and do some dying before you get there.


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 11004	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:51:00 - [21] - Quote Plenty of "fancy P2W-attempt" killmails to prove you wrong... GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

AnotherUseless Alt Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:54:00 - [22] - Quote Gaj Butler wrote: I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket. When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all. I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff... At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE. The only time skill is involved is in small gang/solo pvp. Knowing how to effectively use the ship and weapons you have to win the engagement is skill.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 9761	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:55:00 - [23] - Quote How did yet another "Star Citizen > Eve" thread make it to a second page? Star Citizen aka Hangar Offline will surely kill Eve, just like X: Rebirth did. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 47	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:58:00 - [24] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: How did yet another "Star Citizen > Eve" thread make it to a second page? Star Citizen aka Hangar Offline will surely kill Eve, just like X: Rebirth did. I wasn't playing EVE when Star Trek Online came out, but wasn't that supposed to kill EVE, too?
Digits Kho Imperial Navy Lobsters U N K N O W N 50	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:59:00 - [25] - Quote Gaj Butler wrote: I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket. When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all. I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff... At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE. Sir, skill in eve does not revolve around button mashing. Its more about some math, physx and that kind of stuff i was gona as for this dudes stuff but i now i think he dont have any
Tollen Gallen Xionworld 5618	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:01:00 - [26] - Quote Kryptik Kai wrote: 0/10 Put in more effort next time this. I like Jelly. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Carmen Electra - You are also on my block list.
Eram Fidard Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 756	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:02:00 - [27] - Quote Odd, and here's me thinking that PvP comes down to who can wrestle their adrenaline better. I still do wrong things in the heat of battle sometimes. But, according to the OP I can avoid having to make critical decisions by just paying to win. What a relief o.o Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Xearal Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 859	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:05:00 - [28] - Quote Faction fit ships are just loot pi+¦ata's waiting to happen. The last PvP engagement I was in, we had 10 T1 frigates, with T1 modules, and no rigs, versus 3 Battleships and 2 battlecruisers, all T2 fit and rigged, they died horribly due to our skill at flying our little stingers. The reason, they were not properly coordinated, had no synergy with their ships aside from the 2 domi's using RR and Remote cap transfer on eachother. Our fleet was a well thought out, well set up, and well executed fleet that had a cohesive strategy, thus they died. Our losses were under 4M, theirs, nearly 800M. So Faction mods are P2W are they? I think not.
Othran Route One 678	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:06:00 - [29] - Quote Between Othran and other alts I'm near as dammit perfect on all T1/T2/T3 subcaps. Can I fly them - absolutely I can. Have I flown them all? No. Do I know how to fly some in PvP and not die - yep, no worries there but I assume that I AM going to **** up at some point when flying a "new" (to me) ship. I generally assume it'll take five or six losses of that shiptype before I know the best options for me. Amusingly I turned down the loan of a Drake for a roam yesterday - simply because I have never even owned a Drake, never mind flown one. tl;dr this isn't WoW/other level based games, you can kill anyone in Eve provided they undock. Simple as that.
5n4keyes Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension 84	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:08:00 - [30] - Quote You can have all the isk in the game, and fully pimp fit a ship, and then a 2 day old noob can come along and destroy that. That is the beauty of Eve, doesn't matter how much isk or skills or the setup you have, or how long you play, you can still die. As for skill for PVP, setup is a huge amount of skill, when to attack, when to run, what angle to run at, how to manage cap, point, when to overload, when to do all other kinds of crazy ****! PVP isn't easy :P



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