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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1316
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:09:00 -
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Xearal wrote:Faction fit ships are just loot pi+¦ata's waiting to happen.
The last PvP engagement I was in, we had 10 T1 frigates, with T1 modules, and no rigs, versus 3 Battleships and 2 battlecruisers, all T2 fit and rigged, they died horribly due to our skill at flying our little stingers. The reason, they were not properly coordinated, had no synergy with their ships aside from the 2 domi's using RR and Remote cap transfer on eachother. Our fleet was a well thought out, well set up, and well executed fleet that had a cohesive strategy, thus they died. Our losses were under 4M, theirs, nearly 800M. So Faction mods are P2W are they? I think not.
Gaj Butler wrote: When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill.
your example ticks 2 out of 3 possible boxes for "no skill" pvp - if that's the best you come up with then maybe OP has a point. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
420
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:12:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I...I can't believe this hasn't been asked yet, so...can I have your stuff?
He is only a couple weeks old. I would think he has nothing to give away. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
420
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:14:00 -
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Damn forums with their drafts and post eating double post causing glitches. |
Frank Millar
427
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:14:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Odd, and here's me thinking that PvP comes down to who can wrestle their adrenaline better.
I still do wrong things in the heat of battle sometimes. But, according to the OP I can avoid having to make critical decisions by just paying to win. What a relief o.o Heh. This made me remember a gate camp I was in once.
I experienced tunnel vision and was so busy pewing that bait Drake, that the Megathron crossing my screen didn't even register.
No amount of isk could have saved my Vexor that day.
I did get the pod out, though. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
779
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:18:00 -
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You win in eve when your opponent makes a mistake before you do. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
420
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:18:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:I experienced tunnel vision and was so busy pewing that bait Drake, that the Megathron crossing my screen didn't even register. No amount of isk could have saved my Vexor that day.
A fitted cyno and a small cruiser gang hot drop would have saved your vexor. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
122
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:19:00 -
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guys, let him pay to win. I can't wait to see a deadspace fitted dual tanked shiny BC km from this noob. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4284
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:19:00 -
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I'm not kidding OP. If you want to understand Eve pvp and are willing to learn, eve mail me.
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Othran
Route One
678
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:20:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Odd, and here's me thinking that PvP comes down to who can wrestle their adrenaline better.
I still do wrong things in the heat of battle sometimes. But, according to the OP I can avoid having to make critical decisions by just paying to win. What a relief o.o Heh. This made me remember a gate camp I was in once. I experienced tunnel vision and was so busy pewing that bait Drake, that the Megathron crossing my screen didn't even register. No amount of isk could have saved my Vexor that day. I did get the pod out, though.
The tip for the newbie from that is to move locked targets near the shield/armour/structure indicator so you see them at the same time.
Everyone gets target fixation sometimes :) |
Arc'Los Xyn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
24
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:22:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Morganta wrote:you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead
even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills
so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you Generally the best learning is accomplished by getting your ass kicked and dying.
I do THIS all day long in RvB ..
I have been for 2 hours every other night now. I ask for a 1v1 and they usually ask me what ship i want them in.. or ask what ship I'm using for it.
read my posts if you want a breakdown of my journey into discovering how PvP works in EvE.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=315016&find=unread
those Skills you got Queu'ed ? thats only ONE factor of what you need to even FLY. the most important skills in EvE.. especially in PvP can not be bought with a skill book or with al the ISK in New Eden. I'm barely 2 months into it.. and if it wasn't for all the well experienced.. and truly skilled players in eve , i woulda never thought it was possible to beat another player piloting a "better" ship. http://ahanddrawnlife.tumblr.com my artwork ! The Journey :-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=315016&find=unread |
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Frank Millar
427
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:31:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:A fitted cyno and a small cruiser gang hot drop would have saved your vexor. We weren't that pro, lol.
Othran wrote:The tip for the newbie from that is to move locked targets near the shield/armour/structure indicator so you see them at the same time.
Everyone gets target fixation sometimes :) I got better at running away, later on. |
Nathan Galbadia
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:37:00 -
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Moral of the story: You are doing it wrong, OP.
I love taking down an Orca in lowsec with a Vexor when they AFK to the gate. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
1140
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:37:00 -
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Stopped reading at this point (OP was just too silly):
Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. Heh. Heh Heh. Heh heh heh heh. Bwa-hahahah-ahahahahahahhaaaa..!
Ah, you are to become one of these folks whom get their poorly-fit Officer-Equipped ratting Nightmares blown out of space by a small frigate gang. Repeatedly. Or maybe you'll be the next to lose many, many PLEX in space.
I look forward to the rivers of tears that are sure to flow in the future.
(Hint: You don't think skill is involved, try FC'ing a small gang in a roam through Nul/Lo interface systems. It'll open yer eyes.) |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
1140
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:42:00 -
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Embarrassing OP much? |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
23
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:42:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:How did yet another "Star Citizen > Eve" thread make it to a second page?
Star Citizen aka Hangar Offline will surely kill Eve, just like X: Rebirth did. I wasn't playing EVE when Star Trek Online came out, but wasn't that supposed to kill EVE, too?
It was then they decided that they wouldn't make star trek online but Star Trek skinned crap game online
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Nathan Galbadia
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:49:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Stopped reading at this point (OP was just too silly): Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. Heh. Heh Heh. Heh heh heh heh. Bwa-hahahah-ahahahahahahhaaaa..!Ah, you are to become one of these folks whom get their poorly-fit Officer-Equipped ratting Nightmares blown out of space by a small frigate gang. Repeatedly. Or maybe you'll be the next to lose many, many PLEX in space. I look forward to the rivers of tears that are sure to flow in the future. (Hint: You don't think skill is involved, try FC'ing a small gang in a roam through Nul/Lo interface systems. It'll open yer eyes.)
Hey! Someone has to fund the supply of PLEX!
PLEX Pilots give both Money to the devs and loot to their attackers, don't chase them off!! |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
51
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:41:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I...I can't believe this hasn't been asked yet, so...can I have your stuff? He is only a couple weeks old. I would think he has nothing to give away.
He might have bought some PLEX, since he thinks it P2W. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1027
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:46:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. There are dozens of videos on youtube where pilots fight outnumbered and outgunned against a superior force, and win. You're just wrong. And bad. |
Johnson 1044
Johnson Organic Produce
69
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:25:00 -
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Just watch some Rooks and Kings videos. That is all. |
Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:05:00 -
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This generic troll gets responded by the generic answer of "there is skill in picking your fights" etc. Thing is, though, you can make more of an impact faster if you buy PLEX and skip the isk grind. Buying PLEX does not detach from your ability. All of this is off the mark though, every single thread.
Let's consider the meaning of competitiveness: You set your goals, if the goals are shared by other people, there is competition. Skill is the ability to reach those goals.
Set a goal of flying a shiny battleship and see if buying PLEX doesn't help. In contrast, set a goal of building something ascetically from the ground up and it's in direct conflict with buying PLEX. Set a goal of leading/counseling the greatest empire in EVE and see how meaningful "pay to win" becomes. |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1226
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:19:00 -
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The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill. The Tears Must Flow |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
966
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:44:00 -
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The skill lies in passive training...for a long time...so you can be better. Not just pay to win. Oh wait, if you pay a sub it still is. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
966
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:47:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill. It doesn't if you play against kids in pre-school.
This poster is the type of person who doesn't consider SP difference. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3850
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:02:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks...
And already whining like a *****. You'll fit in just fine around here, sadly.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1226
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:20:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill. It doesn't if you play against kids in pre-school. This poster is the type of person who doesn't consider SP difference.
SP doesn't matter, what matters is knowledge. The Tears Must Flow |
God's Apples
Aunenen Civil Liberties Union
305
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:27:00 -
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Quite an epic troll post. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1409
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:31:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote: At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
Posting in not so stealth SC advertisement post. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
2779
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:41:00 -
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How much for a seat on this roflcopter? Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) Just an innocent explorer!-á pâä | -áWormhole Sisters of EVE Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
2401
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:46:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks...
Cute!! A newbie!!!
Gaj Butler wrote:...and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
I have an Ishkur fit that I normally use a faction armour repairer and a storyline tracking disruptor on, but before I started using those, the same fit (with meta 4 tracking disruptor and t2 repper) had killed more than thirty targets, the majority of which were cruisers and battlecruisers, mostly solo.
I remember one fight I had in it against a Wolf. It was a kiting Wolf with MWD and all I had was drones and MWD. It could tank most of my drone damage. To kill it before it killed me, I was gonna have to get closer. Fortunately, the engagement took place in an asteroid field, and I was able to maneuver in such a way that he got caught up on an asteroid and I was able to get into scram range and kill his MWD. He died a few seconds later,* but the fight lasted around 3 - 5 minutes.
So naturally, I laugh when people try to make it sound like PVP takes no skill. Maybe there are certain styles or situations of PVP that don't take much, but the day a faction AB outdoes any MWD without a little smart flying is the day you might have an argument.
Based on the rest of what you've said though, and your reference to Star Citizen (probably knowing it'll get a rise out of some folk here), I'm assuming you're trolling, and that you know better. Because if you don't know better, then you really must be only a few weeks old. There is nothing about being more financially able that will make you more competitive in EVE Online.
*Killmail included for reference to demonstrate a solo kill was made as described against a kiting Wolf with an Ishkur not specifically fit for dealing with kiting targets. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Demica Diaz
SE-1
131
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Posted - 2014.02.01 06:36:00 -
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For me, skill in EVE online isnt about ingame skills or ship sizes. It is about outsmarting your enemy. Predicting what is coming and reacting in way that will benefit you or avoid something that your enemy has planned for you.
Here's one example:
You are hacking data centers in exploration spot. You are alone in system. Someone appears in system and on D-scan you see it is frigate that you know has scanning equipement. Next thing you see probes on D-scan and know that he is scanning site you are in. Then he idles in system for minute and leaves. Moment later you see someone else appeared in system and with ship that is appropriate for combat showing on D-scan. Bells ring and you drop hacking, and cloak up. In secounds combat ship appears on hacking site trying to kill you, but you are already hiding.
Skill in this is that you know that in EVE almost everyone has alt or buddy and it is suspecious that this scanning frigate saw your ship on D-scan (because you were hacking uncloaked), yet it still scanned down site probably leaving bookmark for his PvP ship.
If you did not have that knowledge, you would be dead in your scanning ship.
and this is just one of million examples about skill in EVE. Be smart, but look dumb. |
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