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Gaj Butler
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:20:00 -
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I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
52
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:21:00 -
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You can buy a T3 ship but you needs skills to fly it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19060
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:23:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. You need to look a bit closer, then, because it doesn't really work like that.
Quote:When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. Same goes for this. There's a term you might have come across that describes those have just paid more: it's GÇ£loot pi+¦ataGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Eaphod
Divided Unity The Night Crew Alliance
27
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:23:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game...
I can't believe I even made this far into your post, but I stopped reading after that line. If you don't know or can't remember something as simple as them being called corporations, then you obviously don't know enough about the game to comment on PVP skill.
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1491
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:25:00 -
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I feel like this is a copy paste job from a troll thread I've seen before. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
937
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:27:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
"I quit" posts go to Out of Pod Experience.
Do your friends also fly for The Scope? You should talk to Anslo. That guy IS The Scope. :)
Seriously though, if you want to PvP get on with RvB. They can help you get better and give you some direction on what to train and how to fly what you're training.
Or, you know, quit and wait until 2025 for the Star Citizen release or, you know, spend time with your family, do the housework, study, read a book, or whatever else gives you wood for a short time.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3407
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:27:00 -
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If you spend enough money, you too can have as much isk as Gevlon Goblin.
Source: his blog this week See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
122
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:27:00 -
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Upgrade your clone and fill it. Skill found
/thread This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9287
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:29:00 -
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0/10
Put in more effort next time "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Spaceship Samurai
20
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:30:00 -
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I dont think this is a usefull thread at all. I also completely disagree. So I'm not gonna tell you the solution either. |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
1959
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:30:00 -
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you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead
even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills
so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
472
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:31:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
Seeing something and understanding it is not the same. Skill to fly a ship with modules comes from time invested. You cant just grind your way up like theme park MMO's
Skill comes from fitting your ships and understanding what works best against your enemies ship type.
Skill comes from knowing when to kite/brawl/run or when to take on 3v1.
Skill comes from evading the blob and living to brag about it.
Like I told my own son....this game is not for those seeking instant gratification like those you are use to like WOW or Everquest or Guild wars etc. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4284
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:32:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE. "I quit" posts go to Out of Pod Experience. Do your friends also fly for The Scope? You should talk to Anslo. That guy IS The Scope. :) Seriously though, if you want to PvP get on with RvB. They can help you get better and give you some direction on what to train and how to fly what you're training. Or, you know, quit and wait until 2025 for the Star Citizen release or, you know, spend time with your family, do the housework, study, read a book, or whatever else gives you wood for a short time. You could RvB. Or you could come with us. Up to you. Just get a better attitude and open your mind.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
937
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:34:00 -
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Morganta wrote:you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead
even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills
so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you
Generally the best learning is accomplished by getting your ass kicked and dying.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1491
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:34:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money.
I wasn't aware that losing real money didn't matter. Plus, the people that sell plex for pvp have always been a minority (a small minority) in my experience. Especially people in faction warfare are able to fund themselves through in-game activities.
Eve is not a twitch shooter. It does involve skill. The judgements of a three week old newbie reflect primarily on the newbie. If you can't make it in this game, that's okay. Most people can't. But don't pretend to know what you're talking about. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
46
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:35:00 -
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I...I can't believe this hasn't been asked yet, so...can I have your stuff? |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
1960
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:37:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Morganta wrote:you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead
even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills
so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you Generally the best learning is accomplished by getting your ass kicked and dying.
over and over and over and over...
really the OP needs to buy a hundred rifters and go dueling in one of those places where duelers hang out
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James Nikolas Tesla
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
56
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:39:00 -
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Skill
/thread 1/27/14 A hell of a good day to be a miner!
Please help me with my ORE Battleship. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=315675 |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
172
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:39:00 -
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Only way to learn is by getting ships blow up. I am really bad at this game because I don't lose many ships. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6274
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:47:00 -
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You see the difference in equipment and think that's the reason you suck, but that's not it. You're a new player so by default you're terrible at EVE, your character skills are low and your equipment sucks. Buying yourself the best gear won't change the outcome though and neither will more character skills, since it's the player skills and knowledge that makes the most difference. Until you get better as a player in EVE no matter the gear you use or how much skill points you have, you will continue to do badly in PvP. There are hard and easy ways to get better, but either way you're going to have to keep trying and do some dying before you get there.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11004
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:51:00 -
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Plenty of "fancy P2W-attempt" killmails to prove you wrong...
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AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:54:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
The only time skill is involved is in small gang/solo pvp. Knowing how to effectively use the ship and weapons you have to win the engagement is skill. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9761
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:55:00 -
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How did yet another "Star Citizen > Eve" thread make it to a second page?
Star Citizen aka Hangar Offline will surely kill Eve, just like X: Rebirth did. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
47
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:58:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:How did yet another "Star Citizen > Eve" thread make it to a second page?
Star Citizen aka Hangar Offline will surely kill Eve, just like X: Rebirth did.
I wasn't playing EVE when Star Trek Online came out, but wasn't that supposed to kill EVE, too? |
Digits Kho
Imperial Navy Lobsters U N K N O W N
50
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:59:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE. Sir, skill in eve does not revolve around button mashing. Its more about some math, physx and that kind of stuff
i was gona as for this dudes stuff but i now i think he dont have any |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
5618
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:01:00 -
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Kryptik Kai wrote:0/10
Put in more effort next time
this.
I like Jelly. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Carmen Electra - You are also on my block list. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
756
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:02:00 -
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Odd, and here's me thinking that PvP comes down to who can wrestle their adrenaline better.
I still do wrong things in the heat of battle sometimes. But, according to the OP I can avoid having to make critical decisions by just paying to win. What a relief o.o Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
859
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:05:00 -
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Faction fit ships are just loot pi+¦ata's waiting to happen.
The last PvP engagement I was in, we had 10 T1 frigates, with T1 modules, and no rigs, versus 3 Battleships and 2 battlecruisers, all T2 fit and rigged, they died horribly due to our skill at flying our little stingers. The reason, they were not properly coordinated, had no synergy with their ships aside from the 2 domi's using RR and Remote cap transfer on eachother. Our fleet was a well thought out, well set up, and well executed fleet that had a cohesive strategy, thus they died. Our losses were under 4M, theirs, nearly 800M. So Faction mods are P2W are they? I think not.
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Othran
Route One
678
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:06:00 -
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Between Othran and other alts I'm near as dammit perfect on all T1/T2/T3 subcaps.
Can I fly them - absolutely I can. Have I flown them all? No. Do I know how to fly some in PvP and not die - yep, no worries there but I assume that I AM going to **** up at some point when flying a "new" (to me) ship.
I generally assume it'll take five or six losses of that shiptype before I know the best options for me.
Amusingly I turned down the loan of a Drake for a roam yesterday - simply because I have never even owned a Drake, never mind flown one.
tl;dr this isn't WoW/other level based games, you can kill anyone in Eve provided they undock. Simple as that. |
5n4keyes
Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension
84
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:08:00 -
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You can have all the isk in the game, and fully pimp fit a ship, and then a 2 day old noob can come along and destroy that. That is the beauty of Eve, doesn't matter how much isk or skills or the setup you have, or how long you play, you can still die.
As for skill for PVP, setup is a huge amount of skill, when to attack, when to run, what angle to run at, how to manage cap, point, when to overload, when to do all other kinds of crazy ****! PVP isn't easy :P |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1316
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:09:00 -
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Xearal wrote:Faction fit ships are just loot pi+¦ata's waiting to happen.
The last PvP engagement I was in, we had 10 T1 frigates, with T1 modules, and no rigs, versus 3 Battleships and 2 battlecruisers, all T2 fit and rigged, they died horribly due to our skill at flying our little stingers. The reason, they were not properly coordinated, had no synergy with their ships aside from the 2 domi's using RR and Remote cap transfer on eachother. Our fleet was a well thought out, well set up, and well executed fleet that had a cohesive strategy, thus they died. Our losses were under 4M, theirs, nearly 800M. So Faction mods are P2W are they? I think not.
Gaj Butler wrote: When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill.
your example ticks 2 out of 3 possible boxes for "no skill" pvp - if that's the best you come up with then maybe OP has a point. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
420
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:12:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I...I can't believe this hasn't been asked yet, so...can I have your stuff?
He is only a couple weeks old. I would think he has nothing to give away. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
420
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:14:00 -
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Damn forums with their drafts and post eating double post causing glitches. |
Frank Millar
427
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:14:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Odd, and here's me thinking that PvP comes down to who can wrestle their adrenaline better.
I still do wrong things in the heat of battle sometimes. But, according to the OP I can avoid having to make critical decisions by just paying to win. What a relief o.o Heh. This made me remember a gate camp I was in once.
I experienced tunnel vision and was so busy pewing that bait Drake, that the Megathron crossing my screen didn't even register.
No amount of isk could have saved my Vexor that day.
I did get the pod out, though. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
779
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:18:00 -
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You win in eve when your opponent makes a mistake before you do. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
420
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:18:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:I experienced tunnel vision and was so busy pewing that bait Drake, that the Megathron crossing my screen didn't even register. No amount of isk could have saved my Vexor that day.
A fitted cyno and a small cruiser gang hot drop would have saved your vexor. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
122
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:19:00 -
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guys, let him pay to win. I can't wait to see a deadspace fitted dual tanked shiny BC km from this noob. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4284
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:19:00 -
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I'm not kidding OP. If you want to understand Eve pvp and are willing to learn, eve mail me.
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Othran
Route One
678
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:20:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Odd, and here's me thinking that PvP comes down to who can wrestle their adrenaline better.
I still do wrong things in the heat of battle sometimes. But, according to the OP I can avoid having to make critical decisions by just paying to win. What a relief o.o Heh. This made me remember a gate camp I was in once. I experienced tunnel vision and was so busy pewing that bait Drake, that the Megathron crossing my screen didn't even register. No amount of isk could have saved my Vexor that day. I did get the pod out, though.
The tip for the newbie from that is to move locked targets near the shield/armour/structure indicator so you see them at the same time.
Everyone gets target fixation sometimes :) |
Arc'Los Xyn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
24
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:22:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Morganta wrote:you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead
even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills
so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you Generally the best learning is accomplished by getting your ass kicked and dying.
I do THIS all day long in RvB ..
I have been for 2 hours every other night now. I ask for a 1v1 and they usually ask me what ship i want them in.. or ask what ship I'm using for it.
read my posts if you want a breakdown of my journey into discovering how PvP works in EvE.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=315016&find=unread
those Skills you got Queu'ed ? thats only ONE factor of what you need to even FLY. the most important skills in EvE.. especially in PvP can not be bought with a skill book or with al the ISK in New Eden. I'm barely 2 months into it.. and if it wasn't for all the well experienced.. and truly skilled players in eve , i woulda never thought it was possible to beat another player piloting a "better" ship. http://ahanddrawnlife.tumblr.com my artwork ! The Journey :-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=315016&find=unread |
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Frank Millar
427
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:31:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:A fitted cyno and a small cruiser gang hot drop would have saved your vexor. We weren't that pro, lol.
Othran wrote:The tip for the newbie from that is to move locked targets near the shield/armour/structure indicator so you see them at the same time.
Everyone gets target fixation sometimes :) I got better at running away, later on. |
Nathan Galbadia
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:37:00 -
[42] - Quote
Moral of the story: You are doing it wrong, OP.
I love taking down an Orca in lowsec with a Vexor when they AFK to the gate. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
1140
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:37:00 -
[43] - Quote
Stopped reading at this point (OP was just too silly):
Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. Heh. Heh Heh. Heh heh heh heh. Bwa-hahahah-ahahahahahahhaaaa..!
Ah, you are to become one of these folks whom get their poorly-fit Officer-Equipped ratting Nightmares blown out of space by a small frigate gang. Repeatedly. Or maybe you'll be the next to lose many, many PLEX in space.
I look forward to the rivers of tears that are sure to flow in the future.
(Hint: You don't think skill is involved, try FC'ing a small gang in a roam through Nul/Lo interface systems. It'll open yer eyes.) |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
1140
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:42:00 -
[44] - Quote
Embarrassing OP much? |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
23
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:42:00 -
[45] - Quote
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:How did yet another "Star Citizen > Eve" thread make it to a second page?
Star Citizen aka Hangar Offline will surely kill Eve, just like X: Rebirth did. I wasn't playing EVE when Star Trek Online came out, but wasn't that supposed to kill EVE, too?
It was then they decided that they wouldn't make star trek online but Star Trek skinned crap game online
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Nathan Galbadia
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.01.31 19:49:00 -
[46] - Quote
Plastic Psycho wrote:Stopped reading at this point (OP was just too silly): Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. Heh. Heh Heh. Heh heh heh heh. Bwa-hahahah-ahahahahahahhaaaa..!Ah, you are to become one of these folks whom get their poorly-fit Officer-Equipped ratting Nightmares blown out of space by a small frigate gang. Repeatedly. Or maybe you'll be the next to lose many, many PLEX in space. I look forward to the rivers of tears that are sure to flow in the future. (Hint: You don't think skill is involved, try FC'ing a small gang in a roam through Nul/Lo interface systems. It'll open yer eyes.)
Hey! Someone has to fund the supply of PLEX!
PLEX Pilots give both Money to the devs and loot to their attackers, don't chase them off!! |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
51
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:41:00 -
[47] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I...I can't believe this hasn't been asked yet, so...can I have your stuff? He is only a couple weeks old. I would think he has nothing to give away.
He might have bought some PLEX, since he thinks it P2W. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1027
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:46:00 -
[48] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote:When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. There are dozens of videos on youtube where pilots fight outnumbered and outgunned against a superior force, and win. You're just wrong. And bad. |
Johnson 1044
Johnson Organic Produce
69
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:25:00 -
[49] - Quote
Just watch some Rooks and Kings videos. That is all. |
Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:05:00 -
[50] - Quote
This generic troll gets responded by the generic answer of "there is skill in picking your fights" etc. Thing is, though, you can make more of an impact faster if you buy PLEX and skip the isk grind. Buying PLEX does not detach from your ability. All of this is off the mark though, every single thread.
Let's consider the meaning of competitiveness: You set your goals, if the goals are shared by other people, there is competition. Skill is the ability to reach those goals.
Set a goal of flying a shiny battleship and see if buying PLEX doesn't help. In contrast, set a goal of building something ascetically from the ground up and it's in direct conflict with buying PLEX. Set a goal of leading/counseling the greatest empire in EVE and see how meaningful "pay to win" becomes. |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1226
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill. The Tears Must Flow |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
966
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:44:00 -
[52] - Quote
The skill lies in passive training...for a long time...so you can be better. Not just pay to win. Oh wait, if you pay a sub it still is. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
966
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:47:00 -
[53] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill. It doesn't if you play against kids in pre-school.
This poster is the type of person who doesn't consider SP difference. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3850
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:02:00 -
[54] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks...
And already whining like a *****. You'll fit in just fine around here, sadly.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1226
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:20:00 -
[55] - Quote
Nexus Day wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill. It doesn't if you play against kids in pre-school. This poster is the type of person who doesn't consider SP difference.
SP doesn't matter, what matters is knowledge. The Tears Must Flow |
God's Apples
Aunenen Civil Liberties Union
305
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:27:00 -
[56] - Quote
Quite an epic troll post. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1409
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote: At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
Posting in not so stealth SC advertisement post. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
2779
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:41:00 -
[58] - Quote
How much for a seat on this roflcopter? Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) Just an innocent explorer!-á pâä | -áWormhole Sisters of EVE Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
2401
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:46:00 -
[59] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks...
Cute!! A newbie!!!
Gaj Butler wrote:...and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
I have an Ishkur fit that I normally use a faction armour repairer and a storyline tracking disruptor on, but before I started using those, the same fit (with meta 4 tracking disruptor and t2 repper) had killed more than thirty targets, the majority of which were cruisers and battlecruisers, mostly solo.
I remember one fight I had in it against a Wolf. It was a kiting Wolf with MWD and all I had was drones and MWD. It could tank most of my drone damage. To kill it before it killed me, I was gonna have to get closer. Fortunately, the engagement took place in an asteroid field, and I was able to maneuver in such a way that he got caught up on an asteroid and I was able to get into scram range and kill his MWD. He died a few seconds later,* but the fight lasted around 3 - 5 minutes.
So naturally, I laugh when people try to make it sound like PVP takes no skill. Maybe there are certain styles or situations of PVP that don't take much, but the day a faction AB outdoes any MWD without a little smart flying is the day you might have an argument.
Based on the rest of what you've said though, and your reference to Star Citizen (probably knowing it'll get a rise out of some folk here), I'm assuming you're trolling, and that you know better. Because if you don't know better, then you really must be only a few weeks old. There is nothing about being more financially able that will make you more competitive in EVE Online.
*Killmail included for reference to demonstrate a solo kill was made as described against a kiting Wolf with an Ishkur not specifically fit for dealing with kiting targets. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Demica Diaz
SE-1
131
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Posted - 2014.02.01 06:36:00 -
[60] - Quote
For me, skill in EVE online isnt about ingame skills or ship sizes. It is about outsmarting your enemy. Predicting what is coming and reacting in way that will benefit you or avoid something that your enemy has planned for you.
Here's one example:
You are hacking data centers in exploration spot. You are alone in system. Someone appears in system and on D-scan you see it is frigate that you know has scanning equipement. Next thing you see probes on D-scan and know that he is scanning site you are in. Then he idles in system for minute and leaves. Moment later you see someone else appeared in system and with ship that is appropriate for combat showing on D-scan. Bells ring and you drop hacking, and cloak up. In secounds combat ship appears on hacking site trying to kill you, but you are already hiding.
Skill in this is that you know that in EVE almost everyone has alt or buddy and it is suspecious that this scanning frigate saw your ship on D-scan (because you were hacking uncloaked), yet it still scanned down site probably leaving bookmark for his PvP ship.
If you did not have that knowledge, you would be dead in your scanning ship.
and this is just one of million examples about skill in EVE. Be smart, but look dumb. |
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
503
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Posted - 2014.02.01 06:49:00 -
[61] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. . try it. it's not as easy as you think to drop money on this game a "win". Of course that all depends on how you define winning. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Rastafarian God
18
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Posted - 2014.02.01 07:21:00 -
[62] - Quote
Before we finally had enough of our BS highsec alliance, we ran into something like this. AKA a play to win guy thinking he could take is.
Im not going to name names.. but our alliance was a highsec one and even participated in an alliance tourney. Although when it was all said and done... there was more BS then use so we left.
Some guy that went full PTW bought an account and wardecced our smaller corp. Not sure how that worked since we where in an alliance but whatever.
He immediately went after our POS in VERY expensive ships. The handfull of us, being experienced, fought him off in cheap stuff. By the time he attacked in force a second tme with help by more PTW accounts... the alliance was there with us and we rapped him... all still in cheap stuff.
So ya.. there is no PTW in EVE. Yes you can pay to buy things faster. But you can not pay to "win".
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Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
932
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Posted - 2014.02.02 16:49:00 -
[63] - Quote
I've heard kids give better arguments against brushing their teeth. How come my stupid posts don't get this much attention?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
792
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Posted - 2014.02.02 18:22:00 -
[64] - Quote
It's not skill in the sense of "see dude in the window 10 meters left, turn and put bullet in his face". You have to be a strategist, a tactician, you have to know what your ship can do.
Say, there is a general in a military. He is about 50 years old, and probably is nowhere near as competitive with a gun as most of the younger grunts (because of his age). However, he is still an extremely valuable asset due to his strategic and tactical genius. This is the EvE "skill scenario". "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16634
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Posted - 2014.02.02 18:37:00 -
[65] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:I've heard kids give better arguments against brushing their teeth. How come my stupid posts don't get this much attention?
Mine try the 'Yes dad, I have done them.' But so far have not realised I feel the heads of their brushes before asking. When that stops working, I'll simply move on to actual inspection.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
201
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Posted - 2014.02.03 01:38:00 -
[66] - Quote
Batelle wrote:I feel like this is a copy paste job from a troll thread I've seen before.
I think you have that backwards.
But yeah this THREAD now makes sense after finding this one. |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
275
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Posted - 2014.02.03 01:47:00 -
[67] - Quote
Eaphod wrote:
I can't believe I even made this far into your post, but I stopped reading after that line. If you don't know or can't remember something as simple as them being called corporations, then you obviously don't know enough about the game to comment on PVP skill.
I cant believe you wrote all those words because someone used a different word that has a similar meaning.
Your a terrible person. |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken
193
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Posted - 2014.02.03 02:15:00 -
[68] - Quote
Nexus Day wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill. It doesn't if you play against kids in pre-school. This poster is the type of person who doesn't consider SP difference.
I sure bet my 8m SP in Jump skills /capital skills will help us in a frig 1v1 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unreadOATHS wants you. Come to the WH |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
193
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Posted - 2014.02.03 02:17:00 -
[69] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote: the top
beeleevin in dis is y u r not havin fun |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2281
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Posted - 2014.02.03 03:02:00 -
[70] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote:At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
OP is sort of correct. "Skill" in ever comes down to tactics and quick mouse clicks, and most of the tactics are decided before the battle is even started. If you want actual dogfighting, strictly player versus player skill, with their toon stats not mattering, then yeah, Star Citizen probably is your better choice.
As for complaining about pay-to-win, well, welcome to new age of MMOs. Name a game that doesn't have golden bullets anymore? Complaining about P2W is like complaining about corrupt politicians. Gripe all you want, but it's never going to change for the better. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Direwolf-Rayet skylian Verge
174
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Posted - 2014.02.03 05:04:00 -
[71] - Quote
Here's one (a bit old,but anyway...) example of skill in EVE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFQ4jL-HBg
This one shows that if you have the skill, you don't need anything more than a rookie ship:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLTLDJd_qEk
... or a single bomber:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLtHzH3uWis
Here's another example of skill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISvmezI9dOU
And another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0FdO7pjMkY
Want to see and hear the exact skills and how they are applied? See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMFahR4wXTg and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrYe_4vHzgE
There are hundreds of videos showing pure skill applied in the game. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Decian Cor
Disconnected. The Cursed Few
148
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Posted - 2014.02.03 05:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
While the meta-game is often-times predictable, it's much the same in any other game that many people already play. There is always a style of playing that is modeled after because it works the best.
I will admit that I am a noob, and since I just started eve a few months ago and knew that I couldn't 'play to pay' just yet, bought 2 plex with my first subscription.
Would you really rather sit at your desktop for 8 hours straight and right click things in order to train a skill?
Because that would totally be way more fun....you should go play WoW.
Sometimes I wonder if people even use their brain before posting here. Unfiltered for the masses.
Forum Posting - Basic Common Sense Level - III Grammar Level - III Reading Comprehension - III Facetiousness - III Skin Level- V Trolling Level - V |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
232
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Posted - 2014.02.03 07:53:00 -
[73] - Quote
This is a non-sequitur.
Simply- it's not the faction stuff that determined the outcome of the fight. This is a false assumption and the entire post crumbles because of it.
In many MMO's this is indeed often the case. Spending more does influence the outcome. But in Eve, the opposite is usually true.
For example- by far the most expensive and rare sub-caps in Eve are the PvE-fit mission/incursion/anom runners that will flee in terror at the slightest hint of PvP. Despite being the same class of warship, often fit to the gills compared to PvP fittings- they are utterly incapable of defense against even modest player attacks. I personally own a kill mail on a Fleet Issue Typhoon with just my Stiletto and a buddy in a Rifter.
Pretty much the last step in a PvP encounter is actually targeting and shooting someone. Most fights are won or lost long before you even landed on grid.
Do not confuse lack of talent for economic disadvantage. |
Effect One
Vengeful Swan
106
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:20:00 -
[74] - Quote
OP, please spend a couple hundred [insert currency here] on PLEX and buy the ship of your dreams. I'd be happy to duel you with a frigate or cruiser or something.
Hit me up in game.
'EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay' - CCP Rise |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1212
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:23:00 -
[75] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
In case you really think that. a challenge for you. Select a group considered high skill, even in high sec, and go for it. Proove that you can defeat them....
I am really sure you cannot, because your posts clearly state how clueless of eve you are. Skill in eve is not the same as in playing quake, its more like playing chess while managing a senate election at same time. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1212
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:32:00 -
[76] - Quote
Nexus Day wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:The OP is the type of person that thinks chess doesn't take skill. It doesn't if you play against kids in pre-school. This poster is the type of person who doesn't consider SP difference.
A 2 M sp alt form someone that KNOW how to PVP will defeat everytime a 100M SP character of a carebear that never PVPed before. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Reiisha
Evolution
495
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Posted - 2014.02.03 10:09:00 -
[77] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
EVE is a game of planning, foresight and organization. It's not an instant gratification shoot-em-up.
Not all games are about twitch skill.
Instead of trying to criticize the game for not being what it's not trying to be you may want to think of simply playing something else. I don't mean this in a mean way, but you're not going to play Risk to then complain that it's not enough like soccer either, are you? ;p
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Alice Ituin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.02.03 11:15:00 -
[78] - Quote
It's funny how you always read the same arguments when it's about p2w games. "you still need skill", "you don't automatically win"
By that definition there are no pay to win games, because no p2w game grants you automatic wins when you pay.
EvE IS pay 2 win in the sense that it makes winning easier - just like in any other p2w game. The only problem with that is the definition of "winning" in EvE. |
Doc Severide
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2014.02.03 12:31:00 -
[79] - Quote
Eaphod wrote:Gaj Butler wrote:The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game... I can't believe I even made this far into your post, but I stopped reading after that line. If you don't know or can't remember something as simple as them being called corporations, then you obviously don't know enough about the game to comment on PVP skill. I looked up idiot in the dictionary and I saw a pic of the OP... |
Doc Severide
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2014.02.03 12:46:00 -
[80] - Quote
Destination SkillQueue wrote:You're a new player so by default you're terrible at EVE... That's just so wrong. I've been playing 5 years and I'm still terrible at EVE...
Can't do PVP well if my life depended on it...
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2014.02.03 12:54:00 -
[81] - Quote
Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
Very true on all points. PVP in EVE is a sick joke.
Old games like Unreal Tournament, Counter Strike you could tell who had skills. Unlike skills in eve where they just use them to seek out 1 or 2 month old toons to gank, or blop overwhelming numbers against their opponent. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Backseat Promises
1205
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:02:00 -
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Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE. troll and a bad one... just get lost - nobody will miss you punk.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
203
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:06:00 -
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Every game is different, not all games that have "quick reflexes" and dodging stuff is skill all the time, this is one bad argument really.
EvE is like chess, you don't make your move in chess and then correct it, you think about it for a while THEN think of the next move, then the next move, then 10 moves after that and before you know it you still get ganked because you forgot something.
EvE requires thinking, but I can understand why some people don't consider that as requiring skills, because you can't grind thinking. Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:12:00 -
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Decian Cor wrote: Because that would totally be way more fun....you should go play WoW.
PVP in WOW was fun, especially the original Alterac Valley in which one battle would last 12 hours or more. It was better in the beginning before gear took over. But I spent hours, night after night of nonstop PVP. And it was fun. They kinda messed up the whole game with arena and adjusting classes around that.
So yea, maybe he should go play WOW or Rift is good also. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1216
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:34:00 -
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Alice Ituin wrote:It's funny how you always read the same arguments when it's about p2w games. "you still need skill", "you don't automatically win"
By that definition there are no pay to win games, because no p2w game grants you automatic wins when you pay.
EvE IS pay 2 win in the sense that it makes winning easier - just like in any other p2w game. The only problem with that is the definition of "winning" in EvE.
Issue is Eve is NOT pay to win. Isk is nearly meaningless on an individual basis on a single fight and the richest people in eve do not PAY to get that isk.
Isk is relevant when you are talking about a long war between entities, not a single combat. You can make a cruiser equiped with 5 billion isk modules. You will still die if you face a pair of tempests. But if you have 2 corps fighting a war, having isk allows you to recover from losses better, but will not insure you win a fight.
Finnaly there is NOTHING in eve that cannot be bought without real life money. In fact the most powerful stuff in eve is NEVER bought with plexes. No one pays 5 thousand dollars to have a 200Billion isk titan. That money is ALWAYS made without plex.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1216
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:38:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Gaj Butler wrote:I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.
When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.
I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...
At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE. Very true on all points. PVP in EVE is a sick joke. Old games like Unreal Tournament, Counter Strike you could tell who had skills. Unlike skills in eve where they just use them to seek out 1 or 2 month old toons to gank, or blop overwhelming numbers against their opponent.
Chess.. basically the only game that worldwide is universally recognized as an extreme skill game. It is far clsoer to eve than Coutenr strike
CS is just reflexes, you can make a Bot that defeats any human in these games. Took decades and millions of dolalrs to make a computer defeat a grandmaster at chess. Wich one needs more skill again?
Want an even more extreme game? Magic the gathering. Computer probably still need a few hundred years of eveolution to be match for a human player....
LEt me make it clear for you.. REFLEXES are not skill.. evena mouse has faster reflexes than the best CS player in world. We are humans we are distinguished by rational capabilities...
but if you cannot match humans and focus on what define us and want to try to be half as good as a mouse is on a characteristic that is not even close to relevant in a human.. so be it.. I feel sorry for you. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Inari Visas
X-Prot
21
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:43:00 -
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Eve is strategy focused. Once you realize that, you either quite because you don't like strategy, or you stay for it. The skills needed here are not so much those of the hands, but something else.
Thread please. |
Dark'Rai
Angelic Eclipse.
2
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:59:00 -
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"The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game"
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction The Devil's Warrior Alliance
111
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nb4 ISD Ezwal http://www.devilswarrior.info/kb |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.02.03 17:06:00 -
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Quote:3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. Thread locked.
Sorry I'm not Ezwal. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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