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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2003.09.17 15:59:00 -
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The informed majority of Eve have a simple choice to make: Whether to believe what Jade tells them or to believe the words of her detractors. When some of said detractors (such as yourself) post mindless drivel in an attempt to discredit her, is it any wonder she always comes out on top? Which TTI alt are you Mr Cohen? If you want a bit of honesty from Ms Constantine perhaps you should first come clean yourself on your true affiliation?
Hard Fact: Ragnar bolloxed up big time - this error of judgement was compounded by a subsequent inability to swallow his pride and devour humble pie. Everything else is window-dressing, Mr Cohen, no matter how hard you try to pump out an effective smokescreen (and fail dismally in the attempt).
What ****es me off is the good players of TTI I knew in beta becoming disillusioned and leaving a game that can ill afford their loss while the corp travels aimlessy down ****creek without a paddle or rudder (as seems the case to the casual observer).
This is a post that is objective and worthy of respect. It points out what he feels is the point of issue without taking shots at TTI as a whole. He even acknowledges that there are good people in TTI, not an admisstion that TTI as whole is good, and what the real worth of all this discussion is....
Absolutely nothing. Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 16:10:00 -
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Quote: This is a post that is objective and worthy of respect. It points out what he feels is the point of issue without taking shots at TTI as a whole. He even acknowledges that there are good people in TTI, not an admisstion that TTI as whole is good, and what the real worth of all this discussion is....
But Shar, you were praising Yoseph Cohen a few days ago. You didn't have anything bad to say about the man. Now you agree with a post that contends his position is entirely worthless?
Isn't that hypocritical?
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.09.17 16:27:00 -
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Quote: Mr Stavros, the informatin provided by Ms Constantine is for those who work around or wish to visit Venal and PB, and for those of us involved in the conflict.
Don't bother. Stavros feels obliged and compelled to care enough to post that no one cares about the stuff that most of the gaming population cares about because RP scares and frightens the guy who wants everyone to be scared and frightened of m0o in the game as they play their role of non role-players.
Simple, eh?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 16:33:00 -
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ThatÆs a lot of words Georg, but before I start debating with you again in earnest I need you to make it clear that you presented a false view of my spoken words to dishonestly contend a position I have never stated. Any conversation may be based on interpretation, but you contended on another thread that I had stated something that I havenÆt.
That makes you a liar. And means you owe me a retraction and apology.
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Georg
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Posted - 2003.09.17 16:52:00 -
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Quote: ThatÆs a lot of words Georg, but before I start debating with you again in earnest I need you to make it clear that you presented a false view of my spoken words to dishonestly contend a position I have never stated. Any conversation may be based on interpretation, but you contended on another thread that I had stated something that I havenÆt.
That makes you a liar. And means you owe me a retraction and apology.
I said no more there than I have said here. I do not believe I am lying (although I do agree that that my statement relies not just on your words, but also the previous actions of your corp and your emphasis on the voting nature of the Council) and until you explicitly state, without any equivocation, that Jericho would leave the NVA if it chose to allow piracy, behaviour which is contrary to the way your corp has previously acted, I cannot give you the retraction you require.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 17:11:00 -
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Georg, I think we both know that you exceeded the rules of civilised debate; by presenting your own interpretation, as something I had said, as apparent fact in another thread.
Still, I have absolutely no hesitating in going on the record to say;
I as CEO of Jericho will call a vote internally (amongst the Jericho membership) to break ties with the NVA if the NVA council does not endorse the statement of principles placed on public record (and thereby endorsing the anti-piracy/free-space principle) by majority vote at the upcoming council session.
As a founder member of the NVA those principles are vital to my participation in the alliance.
I have every expectation that the statement of principles will be ratified. And every expectation that the NVA will be the equal of its principles in times to come.
I personally would have no interest in ascociation with an NVA council that failed to live up to its founding principles.
I also see no issue with corporations disassociating themselves with wider bodies adopting contradictary philosophical positions to member principles. You remain a member of a thing while the core values are acceptible to you. You leave when they are not. The middle ground has room for debate and negotiation but if two viewpoints prove ultimately irreconcilable, there is no other honourable course but to part company.
Now mr Tehel is about to tell us that two member corps of the NVA have engaged in piratical actions over the past few days.
On the record I state that I condemn these actions and will be calling upon the CEO's of the corporations involved to cease and desist from such actions immediately.
Such things are inimicable to the declaration of principles and as such cannot be permitted within an NVA that endorses those principles.
If after formal endorsement such behaviour continues, then I will petition the NVA council to sanction the individual corporations involved. If those corporations do not reign in their members then, the NVA council will have no alternative but to debate and ennact formal ejection from the member list.
And that is my personal view, and the view of the Jericho corporation membership that I represent.
I trust that answers the question,
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2003.09.17 18:03:00 -
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Respect of another's position, and the statement of it, is not to indulge in contridiction. Nor did I touch upon his opinions on any particular individual.
I just felt that it was free of rancor and snide remarks. As such it deserved, no... demanded respect and acknowledgement there of on it's onw merits.
Regardless of how I actually felt. Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 18:24:00 -
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Ah, so you actually disagree with what he said then?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2003.09.17 18:56:00 -
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Not entirely do I disagree with him. He brought up many points in a sigular vein of conversation. Some I agree with, some I do not.
As to debating what I agree with most... that this place is generally the fount of bs. I most wholeheartedly agree with that.
Of course being one of those that happens to contribute to it I think that I can state that agreement quite firmly.
 Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.09.17 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 17/09/2003 21:53:25 Necro.. alcohol and tetra hydro cannabinol dont mix with boardposting...
It makes you look clueless 
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.17 20:45:00 -
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"The CEO of M3G4 just got whacked by the Generals of Destruction Syndicate in 6NJ, (who then proceeded to collect his bounty). This is the 2nd time in 24 hours that M3G4Æs war chief has lost his ship, since last night his Dominix was destroyed by NVA combined action."
Wow must've been one helluva bounty they got this time around then. 
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iconoclast
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Posted - 2003.09.17 20:51:00 -
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Mud hurling and character assaults go with the territory when attempting to discredit your adversaries in politiks, and so far all I have read seemed to exist mostly in the forum bounds set forth by CPP. In other words very little outright offensive verbage and nounage all around, for which you all have my respect.
A personal observation about villainy in the gameà some of us here are perfectly sweet individuals in RL, who would like a chance in the pretend universe of the game (including the forums) to be anything but sweet. In fact some of us get a little tired of being good in RL when so few seem deserving of ità and we may drool a little at the opportunity to be lying, cheating, backstabbing, cruel, treacherous mercenaries with few morals but heaps of cunning to fuel our whims in a fictional setting. It is right that those types should use every low trick available to them, and right that the Just should throw up their hands in mock dismay and call their valiant brethren to arms in order to repulse the tides of chaos and oppression. And around and around the world (RL & EVE both) goà.
These threads are still fascinating to me... especially the bits and hints about the internal politicking within the NVA (or Northern Alliance for that matter). With such a large council in the NVA there are likely to be some schisms...yes? It would be cool to see the upcoming council meeting logs Jade, once your security officers have removed critical fleet planning information that could be used as tactical intel against the NVA. If you could post them in as much entirety as possible with (censored) tags indicating where info has been removed, that would be hella cool.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.17 20:52:00 -
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I feel I should also point out, that Jade's insistence that TTI ships leaving Venal shows they are losing, merely indicates her own complete inability to understand warfare.
Or at least, pirate warfare, which is what she claims TTi is doing. ;)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 22:08:00 -
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Ulstan my sweet little dinket-scallion!
To remedy your confusion mÆdear; Smoked wasnÆt actually podded the first time around. His ship was blown but he was not. Second time was the charm however, but doubtless he was asking for it à scouting in a shuttle no less.
And re warfare and understanding therein; I havenÆt claimed victory or anything so crass. The reason I mention the running out of Venal for Taggart is simply to remind people that we have been here before; Taggart allies do the fighting while Taggart avoid combat and continue making money. Now perhaps thatÆs pirate warfare or perhaps not, but surely some of the Taggart allies must be feeling a little silly to have been sold a war by an absentee general by now?
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Ronald Richardson
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Posted - 2003.09.17 22:21:00 -
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can i join a corp in nva and help fight the war?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.17 22:26:00 -
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Of course, take a look at the NVA allies list; bring up the corp details and information in-game and make the approaches. If you are a new player there are a number of frigate combat wings that can get you going quickly, if you are a more developed character then it should be quite easy to find a berth and role in the war.
Victory!
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Georg
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Posted - 2003.09.18 10:14:00 -
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Quote: Still, I have absolutely no hesitating in going on the record to say;
I as CEO of Jericho will call a vote internally (amongst the Jericho membership) to break ties with the NVA if the NVA council does not endorse the statement of principles placed on public record (and thereby endorsing the anti-piracy/free-space principle) by majority vote at the upcoming council session.
etc. etc.
That was very explicit and exactly what was needed and a welcome change of direction for Jericho after its associations within the original VA. On that basis I do indeed apoogise for reading too much into the statement I quoted previously.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.09.18 12:13:00 -
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Why so hostile? Maybe you need more fiber.
You could be right there :)
It's just that I see the NVA, or at least some of its more vocal members, as a massive spin machine espousing principles that it never felt, or at least acted upon, prior to the recent conflict in Venal as reasons as to why it is the side of right and freedom. From reports it would seem that these principles may be slipping, and despite the fact Jade accuses me of lying, she herself has been less than absolute on the question in some of her recent posts.
What exactly are these "reports"? Being one of the members of the NVA I have a vested interest.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.09.18 12:17:00 -
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Quote: Also Georg in my little corner of the world it is common for ladies to call a gentleman dear, honey, sweetie or other forms of address even if they are strangers. It is a form of coutesy and as such it is truely bad form to to be a jerk about it.
As you can tell, not in my part of the world, at least until there has been some form of personal introduction. I feel it is out of place in debate and is rendering her tone patronising, probably unintentionally. I don;t regard it as a big deal, but I did feel it worth commenting on at the end of a post.
Fair enough, though I have found if you assume that a persons wording has the very best shade and nuance to it you will have an easier and more pleasant time communicating.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.18 12:25:00 -
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[Georg wrote]
Quote: That was very explicit and exactly what was needed and a welcome change of direction for Jericho after its associations within the original VA. On that basis I do indeed apoogise for reading too much into the statement I quoted previously.
My thanks for your clarification and acceptance of my word. And now I apologise for being blunt and hostile in my response to you yesterday. Its true that I have allowed frustration and irritation to guide my verbal rejoinders in past days. But I am only human Georg, and there is just so much unsubstantiated slanderous nonsense a gal can listen too without losing her temper occassionally. Its difficult to keep equilibrium in response while enduring the slings and arrows and smear of the Taggart propaganda machine 24 hours a day. Sometimes it is difficult to spot a true and earnest approach amongst the many false snares and rhetorical quagmires posed by the enemy.
Still, I, Jericho, and the NVA, should be better than that, so please accept my apology for snapping and losing my cool.
Love and peace.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2003.09.19 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 19/09/2003 12:03:31 Ohh im heart struck...
My heart beats higher everytime i look upon Jade, and that intellect....well what can one say, but ......siiiiiiggghhh. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.19 13:11:00 -
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"My heart beats higher everytime i look upon Jade, and that intellect....well what can one say, but ......siiiiiiggghhh."
Maybe Jade as big hairy nuts. Now what are you going to do ???

The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.19 13:59:00 -
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Charming m'dear; though resleeving past the violent death of the physical body is doubtless a process fraught with peril, 'tis not a precaution I neglected to take in generous terms and surplus wide anticipation.
The clinic on Eletta readied a new body for my mind to exhaustive standards and I fully commend their after-waking therapeutics and reflexology spar besides.
One really does pay for quality dear chap.
Love and peace
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.19 18:34:00 -
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I thought a very interesting point was raised: Why, if the NVA is trying to accomplish all the NVA say they are, are they targetting TTI, who pirates no one, instead of Moo/sin who pirate lots and lots of people?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.19 19:15:00 -
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Taggart are targetting us Ulstan, and they are bankrolling the piratical northern alliance. Carrying the war to their backyard is basic self defense m'dear.
We didn't declare this war, they did.
Next question?
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.19 20:00:00 -
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Why did you call me a salacious trinket? >.<
And so far TTi hasn't bankrolled me, but I've said that already I think :)
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.19 20:06:00 -
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Maybe this has been forgotten, but the NVA are at war with TTi - and while that's the case we will continue to shoot them out of space every time we come across one - after all they're doing the same to us. Or so they claim in any case, the only one whose ship I've actually seen with my own eyes in days disappeared in a puff of smoke, tachyons and torpedos yesterday :-)
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Tsel
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Posted - 2003.09.19 20:14:00 -
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Jade .. when are u going back to school so we can get a relief from the stench of the garbage you keep spewing?
Sheeesshhh i ve never seen someone so in love with the sound of her own voice ..
Blah blah blah ----------------------------------------------- The best leaders inspire by example. When that's not an option, intimidation works pretty well too. |

Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.19 20:23:00 -
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Tsel, Caldari, ôMajestic Twelveö
The question is m'dear, why do muppets like your good self even bother to type inconsequential nonsense in presence of better men and women. Are you hoping to represent your corporation in a good light? If so its been a dreadful waste of effort hun; IÆm afraid you need to take a ticket and join the Mr Pecker memorial queue for pointless interjection hour.
Ulstan, Caldari, Space Invaders
Ah, a whole better brand of Caldari rogue than the last slack-jawed numpty! I called you a dinket-scallion because your brigrandry has some flair and panache, and you are a gentleman despite your allegiances. Still, the matter of Taggart promises is between you and Ragnar I think, harlot and pimp professional relationships are best kept between the participants.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.20 19:53:00 -
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"Merckiller" meets the Pain Syndicate special operations wing!
Some moments ago in venal space M3G4 pilot "Merckiller" was shot out of his Scorpion battleship by elements of the NVA home guard. Pilots, Lurk, Hammah and Mimic would like to pass their compliments to M3G4 corp for once more providing amusement to the bold NVA.
Love and peace
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