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Artegg
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Posted - 2003.09.15 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lottsa Pox on 15/09/2003 02:57:38
Well, this is the newest news in from the war front. Nva Rona corp seems to be locked into their station. So violation we brought it you ran. Typical news.
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
M3G4
I did try so hard not to laugh when i saw this, come on man most of us are from the uk i left at 3am just after you had come in to the system and phony lost his apoc and you guys left. when i went to bed there where 2 other rona pilots and i am pretty sure that they did not feal like a 2 on 12 battle because that make's sence.
see you on the battlefield today and good luck.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 13:02:00 -
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Renox! What on earth? *laughs*, okay IÆll be kind since I havenÆt seen you posting very much here before.
I could cut and paste dozens of low-personal attacks from your alliance members to illustrate the hypocrisy of what you have just said. I could show you Tehel calling me a low *****, accusing my officers of giving oral sex for payment, of slander, of lies, of juvenile curse words, and these and a myriad low-grade jibes and mean-spirited slights beyond.
But what is the point? The public at large know the way Taggart Transpiratical does business. You are proven dishonourable lying dogs, condemned by association with the name of your corporation, branded by proximity to the executives who make a living from betraying agreements, abandoning allies, profiteering from wars they start, and then fleeing from the scene to let others pay the price for their fighting.
If you want a reputation for anything above a corrupt mass of deceit and foul practise then take off your corporate logo, abandon Ragnar to his well-deserved fate, and join the rest of humanity in understanding exactly what this dispute is about.
ôLow personal attacksö
Monsieur, I have a personal code of ethics for dealing with people who want me murdered. Put simply, anything goes. You waive the right to practical or rhetorical restraint when you support a man who wants me murdered twenty times and uses Taggart cash to do it.
For god sake go!
If you care about such civilities get the hell out of Taggart Transpiratical!
Calladen Nimitz and Yoshowhatsit have shown you the way.
Start a new life and rebuild your reputation.
ThatÆs my best advice to you.
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Renox
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Posted - 2003.09.15 13:11:00 -
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Might be that they do it to but that argument stopped working in 3rd grade, lass.
and I guess this is why you assosiate with pirates too? I mean we do so you can do it too?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/09/2003 13:29:37
Oh please!
Go and learn a new trick m'dear, why oh why does it always come down to this?
Taggart X personality appears,
Taggart X personality asks an innocuous sounding question.
Taggart X personality is answered,
Taggart X personality builds a spurious position on propaganda and falsehood,
Hilarity ensues.
IÆll save you some time and skip to end.
Taggart X personality is torn to shreds by the many many contradictions and critical vulnerabilities in Taggart rhetorical position.
Taggart X personality makes a silly mistake and provably false accusation
Taggart X personality is asked to apologise
Taggart X personality wriggles and looks foolish
Taggart X personality disappears from the radar
Seriously mÆdear, if you donÆt like being derided then go hide under a rock for a bit.
I'm bored beyond belief with the dullsville one-track debating style of you taggart clones. You are literally all the same. Its so apparent its sinister.
Die already!
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Renox
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Posted - 2003.09.15 13:38:00 -
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so you want all the glory and have to not do any work for it? But I really would like to know because as several have pointed out you have pirates in your alliance, the same thing you accuse Taggart for and have berated them many a time... so what is the difference?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 13:42:00 -
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I actually copied and pasted this segment from earlier in the thread in anticipation of your one-track debating stance m'dear. Would be easy enough to simply say "read what i wrote" but seems that trick is one trick to many for the Taggart one-trick pony!
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To answer your questions though; there are reformed and reforming piratical elements to a minority of NVA corporations. The non-piratical statement of principles expressly committed the NVA to ôfree spaceö and lawful endeavour, and in the fullness of time and open democratic voting we will see these principles ratified to binding constitution. If particular NVA corps disagree with overall policy they will have the option of leaving NVA space and finding alternative employment.
Read the declaration of princples.
Read the what has been written.
If you want debate then bring something to the table.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.15 13:51:00 -
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There are a handful of corporation who have had a piratical history - virtually all left at the same time as TTi if you remember for the very reason that they felt they would have to cease pirating! Now let's look at the current membership on each side...
As I don't shadow every member of the NVA 24 hours a day, there may even be one or two members that are arguably still pirates (very much not convinced, but the possibility is there). I have not seen any evidence of this at all so far. The vast bulk of the corporations (and even more so if you go by pilots) have had no history whatsoever of piracy or warfare in any shape or form, other than perhaps being podded in 1.0 space by Tank CEO before his temporary absence.
Now, to your side. Every single corporation that has allied themselves to TTi is openly piratical. I'm afraid Ragnar's release about M3G4 being nice misunderstood guys who love their mum's just doesn't cut it with the hundreds of people they've attacked and killed without provocation. Yesterday I asked an Andras member if he would renounce piracy, he said never!
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Renox
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Posted - 2003.09.15 13:55:00 -
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ok, so it is to say that if they do engage in piracy they will be asked to cease or leave the NVA?
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Anara Valencia
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Anara Valencia on 15/09/2003 14:02:21
IÆm not involved in this ôwar of wordsö nor am I a fan of anyone who would use legal action against CCP over a game.
Regardless, anyone who feels it's necessary to pursue this course of action has got some serious real-life issues and should seek immediate counseling.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:05:00 -
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ok, so it is to say that if they do engage in piracy they will be asked to cease or leave the NVA?
Read the declaration of principles and the statement as written. I have said everything on that matter I am empowered to do so. The NVA is a representative council of the NVA member corps. All such decisions will be made by formal vote.
Put 2+2 together and try making 4. (I know this is difficult for a TTI mind reared on doubtletalk and ideological Randite brainwashing, but try really hard and you might just manage it.)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:08:00 -
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IÆm not involved in this ôwar of wordsö nor am I a fan of anyone who would use legal action against CCP over a game.
Excuse me for a moment (and going ooc) are you saying someone has gone after CCP legally somehow?
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Renox
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:24:00 -
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Geee... wonder why I don't post so much?
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 15/09/2003 14:38:59
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IÆll take your ôhardö questions monsieur Hardin, though they arenÆt that difficult to answer, they are at least more interesting to address than Yoseph CohenÆs normal level of nonsense;
Re TTI Fleeing,
Check the map monsieur, last night it was reading 50+ ships killed in theatre in past 24 hours. I reported only one confirmed kill of a TTI ship in theatre. On the way to the battle I passed Taggart ships heading in the other direction. From the day before we had reports of TTI individuals trying to negotiate safe passage for mineral transports from Venal. We also had specific reports of Ragnar leaving the theatre and giving a speech to the Piratical Northern Alliance, encouraging them to fight for the last and bleed his enemies in endless war.
Now, that all adds up to a strategic retreat Hardin, while their allies cover their backs. DÚjÓ vu perhaps?
Oh well it must be me being stupid that the one TTi ship you killed seemed to be so many more. If you always posted the facts without the usual 'spin' Jade then it is likely that you would be taken more seriously...
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Re control,
If you are having difficulty understanding them [my reports] Hardin mÆdear, I suggest you read them!
Oh I have...it' just that ignorant people like myself can often have difficulty getting the facts between the flowery stuff.
And by the way do you always have to sound so patronising?
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Seriously, I have described the situation as an ongoing war for liberation, a civil war, a hot-dispute, a conflict zone. I make a point of being accurate in my statements. If I tell you a war is being fought and travellers should take care then I am not telling you 100% control exists.
I did not question this. I simply made the point that if you are so able to 'support' the war now how come you couldn't support it against Evo/Xan? From my perspective it seems that you went around cutting the rug from under TTi for your own power game!
VA could have continued to fight a good fight against Xan/Evo yet instead of boosting morale you snuck around creating internal conspiracies that resulted in the VA's own destruction...
Maybe I am wrong. I do not have access to all the fabled logs that QBall regularly mentions but that is how it seems!
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Just read what I say, not what the propagandists and spin-doctors like Yoseph and Tehel say I say.
*Ironic laugh*
Jade I have come across your spin previously and I told you what I thought of it then.
Although I am no fan of TTi I believe Tehel plays it relatively straight and indeed often lets his actions do the talking. I will not comment on Yosef!
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Re the war effort,
Well, my original issue with TTI goes a lot further than the mere provision of BYOM +taggart[profit] ship deals. And do remember that the assertion of BE5 deals is hotly contested. This deal was never universally offered, or anything close to that.
Jade, from what I have read it seems that the PE5 BYOM production deals were offered officially and many in the VA were aware of them. This does not mean that everyone in TTI or VA knew of this and that they were always offered - I am sure you are aware of ensuring that such information flows completely through an organisation is not always an instantaneous thing...
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The difference now is simply;
NVA is an alliance, and in the alliance the member corporations are helping each other. Replacements are being built for mineral cost only. Blueprints are being offered free of charge. A common cruiser replacement stockpile exists.
As far as I was aware TTi shared also offered mineral only production...I do not know whether they also provided blueprints but I am sure I saw somone mention that.
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Everyone is paying their way and doing their share. Friends outside the alliance who loath Taggart Transpiratical are also doing their bit for the war effort with generous donations and visionary commitment to the cause.
So you found outside allies to help take on the 'hated' TTi. Why did you not put your efforts into finding similar allies against Xan and Evo instead of conspiring with them against member of your own alliance.
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We have assembled a wide coalition of honest and honourable corporations who have pledged aid and manpower to confront the spectre of pan-regional megacorp funded piratical endeavour.
Honest and honourable is a debatable claim as you know! It reminds me of the same double standards you used when you defended the actions of the former pirate corporations of VA which you later deplored.
Continues...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 15/09/2003 14:34:15
Continues...
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Regardless of Taggart propaganda and the diuretic ranting of their rhetorically-challenged information minister Mr Necrosis, this war is being fought in the hearts and minds of the general population of Eve.
To be honest Jade the vast majority in Eve are neither aware or interested in your conflict - altho it does pass some time for a few of us. 
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Many pilots and corporations have lost ships and lives and profits to the allies of Taggart Transpiratical, and though taken individually, these people are ôsmall beerö (in the words of Ragnar), and certainly not worth the 2 billion another Taggart commentator on these threads believes is the breakpoint to earning significant statusà together, itÆs a different story.
Many more people have been impacted by the actions of pirate corporations such as Mo0 and Sinister than by the 'piratical' actions of TTi who to many have been generally invisible. When will you launch you crusade on those real 'threats' to members of the EVE universe rather than persuing your personal vendetta against what is primarily a trading and industrial corp and no real threat to anyone...
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Together the general population of honourable, hard-working citizens of Eve can confront and defeat the sickening shadow of RagnarÆs thieving work-shy piratical vultures, and forever put the lie to the dominance of immoral big-isk villains above and beyond the meaningful reproach of justice and just endeavour.
C'mon Jade you don't really believe all the claptrap you are talking now do you?
Finally as you have decided to rename Corporations to suit your own PR needs I have also decided to rename you...
From now own you will always be known as
'JADE CONSTANTSPIN'
at least in my book anyway...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:35:00 -
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Hardin, I think you are due some sort of record there. That was an awful lot of quoting and cut and paste to say precisely nothing.
I answered your question.
Next.
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:40:00 -
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VA could have continued to fight a good fight against Xan/Evo yet instead of boosting morale you snuck around creating internal conspiracies that resulted in the VA's own destruction...
Maybe I am wrong. I do not have access to all the fabled logs that QBall regularly mentions but that is how it seems!
That fabled logs are basically QBall selling out the old VA to us.
Funny how TTI (and bystanders) still blame Jade for that, btw.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:41:00 -
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Okay Ms. Constantspin!
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 15/09/2003 14:45:10
As an outsider on the NVA Vs "the others" war so far, it seems to me that the only thing that "the others" have to say on the matter is that jade is constantly spinning webs of lies and is a PR *****.
For me as a neutral - and i would imagine some more feel the same way - all you have done is made yourselves look like idiots and promoted the NVA as a reasonable alliance.
Everyone constantly attempting to outdo jade in a serious conversation has failed. I havent seen one debate that has been anything but un-interesting, flaming from "the others".
One last point, i have heard many people say that spin, PR etc etc are pointless if you can't do the business on the field. I think you are wrong, because as the NVA gets stronger and stronger through people backing them in the forum battles, more and more victories will inevitably come soon.
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/09/2003 14:49:39
Oh mr Hardon I can't resist though, ;)
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Although I am no fan of TTi I believe Tehel plays it relatively straight and indeed often lets his actions do the talking.
Care to comment on this gem from the Taggart Transpiratical information minister?
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[Tehel] Sure i in the past have used inappropriate attacks on Jade but only when called for
And as for yourself;
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I will not comment on Yosef!
Why on earth not? You wasted a thousand words saying not much at all. Why not put a sentence or two on the record re Yoseph while you are at it?
Does PIE Inc. believe Yoseph Cohen's reporting is a valid and reliable news source?
Love and peace.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 15/09/2003 14:57:17
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I will not comment on Yosef!
Why on earth not? You wasted a thousand words saying not much at all.
Ms. Constantspin
I did not comment on Yosef as I do not view him as a reliable source - although he does occasionally make good points. That is a personal view and not the Corp's
As to using a thousand words and not saying much at all can you not see that I have been learning from you my dear Constantspin! 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 15:06:00 -
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That you for noticing DB Preacher, mÆdear, it has been a pretty much constant barrage of nonsense from the Taggart Transdimensional side from day one. I think Taggart decided early on to try the dirty public relations approach, which basically means hurling an endless torrent of unsubstantiated allegations and rubbish in the hope that some of the mud will stick.
Sadly for them they literally donÆt have a leg to stand on.
All this is pretty much in the open.
We published the council logs.
Everyone knows what happened and why.
As for debating points, I certainly donÆt recall losing one to Taggart Transpiratical in the past fifteen days. They do always go the same way; accusations proven false, then silly threats and personal attacks.
Re your last point, yes, you are entirely right. Public Relations helps to win wars. Fifteen days ago the remnants of the old VA were a pitiful broken group of corps stabbed in the back and discarded by Taggart in favour of their new openly murderous allies. All the smart money in Eve was on the Taggart/M3G4/SI pact pretty much owning Venal.
But we played it straight, we hid nothing, we made the decisions we had to make. Like-minded and honourable men and women have pledged common cause with the NVA in the weeks since, and we have literally grown in confidence and stature and commitment to the declaration of principle sworn in our darkest hour.
We in the NVA donÆt re-write history, we donÆt edit out spoken evidence, we donÆt deny the evidence of public chatlogs, we donÆt report Black Bird kills as Ravens, we donÆt claim 8-1 thrashings in fleet victories, we donÆt announce territory ôownedö and secure if it is not. We donÆt make promises we cannot keep.
At the end of day, we tell the truth.
And that is the reason that Taggart and the Transpiratical alliance havenÆt won an argument in 15 days.
Once upon a time I tried to reform Ragnar. When Taggart joined the VA I had a private discussion with the man, and he asked me why Taggart was so hated? And what he could do to improve the image of his corporation.
My answer to him was simple.
Tell the truth. Believe absolutely that any lie you tell will come back to haunt you. Nothing stays secret forever. Tell the truth and you have nothing to fear from moles and informers. Tell the truth, and you will never lose a public relations battle again.
Ragnar didnÆt listen.
His people still arenÆt listening.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 15:11:00 -
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Mr Hardon
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I did not comment on Yosef as I do not view him as a reliable source - although he does occasionally make good points.
Care to name some?
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As to using a thousand words and not saying much at all can you not see that I have been learning from you my dear Constantspin!
Time to ante up or ship out now Mr Hardon. Amongst your many words you accused me of building conspiracies with Xanadu and the FA.
Art has kindly put the lie to your accusation. Are you prepared to retract or are you going to sustain your charge and accuse the esteemed Xanadu rep of lying in a public debate?
Money where your mouth is time m'dear Hardon.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 15/09/2003 15:39:30
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Time to ante up or ship out now Mr Hardon. Amongst your many words you accused me of building conspiracies with Xanadu and the FA.
Art has kindly put the lie to your accusation. Are you prepared to retract or are you going to sustain your charge and accuse the esteemed Xanadu rep of lying in a public debate?
Money where your mouth is time m'dear Hardon.
Ms. Constantspin - I love the way you selective chose the ground on which to fight your battles and create your own 'accusations'! I am also impressed with your regular demands for retractions altho they do become a bit wearisome.
Here is what I said:
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VA could have continued to fight a good fight against Xan/Evo yet instead of boosting morale you snuck around creating internal conspiracies that resulted in the VA's own destruction...
Maybe I am wrong. I do not have access to all the fabled logs that QBall regularly mentions but that is how it seems!
Please note 'internal conspiracies'
I just wonder whether it was a guilty mind which somehow extrapolated that into building 'external' conspiracies with Xanadu and Evolution...
As Art has not 'put lie' to the 'accusation' or at least no accusation that I made I do not have to retract anything Ms. Constantspin.
I actually have a lot of respect for Xanadu and if Art says he did not conspire with you then I tend to believe him. Unfortunately for you this is not what I had said!
Please also note the 'Maybe I am wrong' statement - this should be something you occasionally admit to as well!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.15 15:44:00 -
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I'm afraid Mr hardon that by accusing a lack of commitment in the war effort vs EVO/XAN in the same breath as talking about conspiracies, you are very much suggesting the false conclusion that I have asked you to retract.
Linguistic shuffleboard aside though; nice grovelling by the way!
Seems you have shrivelled up a little bit.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 16:26:00 -
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Grovelling?
Ms. Constantspin you just simply cannot resist having the last word and putting an 'angle' on everything you write...
I certainly hadn't intended my last post to be grovelly and after re-reading it several times just to be sure I can categorically conclude that it was not in fact grovelly!
I would like you to retract that statement and issue a formal apology to me!
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.09.15 20:24:00 -
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Ok here something for everyone who keeps saying my name can ponder on.
!OMG are the logs real?!
!OMG is art right! Was he really going to sell out venal!
!OMG WAS IT ALL JADES doing.
!OMG Maybe Qball was going to sell FA out but TTI really did blow up the whole thing?!
!OMG WHAT COULD IT BE OMG OMG OMG!?!
You to can be a forum ninja just send me 5 million isk in game K-Thx-Bye.
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"OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!"
-QBall
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.16 10:02:00 -
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Jade and Hardin, sitting in a tree
B-I-T-C-H-I-N-G!!!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.16 14:00:00 -
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LOL - Miso
She still aint apologised either!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.16 14:49:00 -
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I think I'm sticking with the grovelling interpretation m'dear.
Love and peace
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.16 14:54:00 -
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A gentleman always apologises to a lady, even if that gentleman is wrong (which u are) 
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