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Intakani Genntelle Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.11.09 21:52:00 - [61] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: Intakani Genntelle wrote: Quote: lol you think this is going to stop recruitment scams. Reading comprehension. Get some. Quote: "we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporationGÇÖs recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility." Good for CCP, I'm glad they posted that. I'm sure it chaffes the Goons, but I've said for years: The Goons are no good for EVE, anyway. Quote: Wow, wasn't aware this was Hello Kitty online, I must be in the wrong foru... oh, nope, this is EVE. Huh. That's pretty freaking stupid. What were the CSM thinking not throwing a fit about... Oh, they weren't consulted. At all. Of course not. Apparently CEO Hello Kitty (throw in a "mar" there if you want, I couldn't find a spot that made sense) is unaware of what game he's actually in charge of. Wouldn't surprise me, based on how out of touch he and the upper reaches of CCP are nowadays. What's next, being mean to each other will be bannable? Calling someone an idiot in local will get you Concorded? Oh, Oh, I know, lets just disable targeting other player ships from the hours of 12 PM to 11 AM Icelandic time, that'll make sure there's a good experience for everyone, right? No vision, no direction, no clue. CCP 2011. Your rhetoric is pretty weak. and your bias is obvious. 4/10 CCP is not "out of touch". Quite the opposite: They are in-touch with the market and the new players that are flooding into EVE, but for some reason, not sticking around. CCP is trying to retain players. Unfortunately for Goonswarm (the stated mission of which is to grief people until they quit playing...) this may not fit their agenda and desires. You are very vocal and opinionated for a 3 day old character in an NPC Corp. My character is only 3 days old? Geez, I sure am learning a lot of new things in this thread!
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. 63	Posted - 2011.11.09 21:52:00 - [62] - Quote Xython wrote: Slade Trillgon wrote: Yet another who did not read the important part of the post mentioning that recruitment scams outside of the official help channel are still allowed. Sssh! The more idiot pubbies that believe otherwise, the easier the marks are. :themoreyouknow: Idiot pubbbies do not read GD. But I get your point. Slade
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 787	Posted - 2011.11.09 21:55:00 - [63] - Quote Intakani Genntelle wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Intakani Genntelle wrote: I miss the part where I said anything about CCP making recruitment scams against the ToS. Then why do you keep insisting that the MOTD in the Recruitment channel is going to end recruitment scamming? You are not making any sense. Can you please point out where I claimed that the MoTD in the Recruitment Channel is going to end recruitment scamming? Again, I'll wait. :) You made this post. I replied with "lol you think this is going to stop recruitment scamming". You started posting a bunch of incoherent nonsense. It shouldn't be so difficult to get your point across. Considering how much you are struggling you might want to practice a bit more. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Intakani Genntelle Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.11.09 22:01:00 - [64] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Intakani Genntelle wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Intakani Genntelle wrote: I miss the part where I said anything about CCP making recruitment scams against the ToS. Then why do you keep insisting that the MOTD in the Recruitment channel is going to end recruitment scamming? You are not making any sense. Can you please point out where I claimed that the MoTD in the Recruitment Channel is going to end recruitment scamming? Again, I'll wait. :) You made this post. I replied with "lol you think this is going to stop recruitment scamming". You started posting a bunch of incoherent nonsense. It shouldn't be so difficult to get your point across. Considering how much you are struggling you might want to practice a bit more. Yes, I made that post. I'm reading it over right now and... I don't see any statements from me claiming that recruitment scamming is against the ToS, or that I believe it to be against the ToS, or that recruitment scamming is "coming to an end", or anything else you've been saying. What I did say, was that I supported CCP in their decision and went on to elaborate about how player autonomy is a doubled-edged sword, and that CCP upholds a delicate balance between player retention and said player autonomy. It is now clear that you are either an idiot, or just trolling me. And considering you're in Goonswarm, it's probably both. 2/10 because you kept me engaged in your nonsense for more than 5 minutes, but I'm heading off for now. Oh.... and you can send the apology anytime.
John DaiSho Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective 1	Posted - 2011.11.09 23:37:00 - [65] - Quote This discussion is totally going a good way i mean both your arguments are awesome. "You did say it" "No i didnt" "Yes you did!" and so on...
Cipher Jones 106	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:40:00 - [66] - Quote Big Bad Mofo wrote: Goons are screwed now then...oh wait im sure Mittani can talk to hilmar and get special treatment... Yeah the Joe Paterno special treatment. See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.
Lord Ryan True Xero 100	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:44:00 - [67] - Quote petitioning is now a bannable offense. posting is now a bannable offense logging in is now a bannable offense playing eve is now a bannable offence -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes.
NJEchoAlpha Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 41	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:45:00 - [68] - Quote Crossposted due to mod oppression. The only reason I play Eve is because the interactions between players are direct and all have impacts, everything from scams to ganking. While there is a disadvantage to some players, Eve is a better game with this. If CCP feels the right path is to hold everyone's hands and make nobody feel sad or upset, then Eve is dead. I will not hesitate to move on, and I'm sure others will feel the same way.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 26	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:47:00 - [69] - Quote NJEchoAlpha wrote: Crossposted due to mod oppression. The only reason I play Eve is because the interactions between players are direct and all have impacts, everything from scams to ganking. While there is a disadvantage to some players, Eve is a better game with this. If CCP feels the right path is to hold everyone's hands and make nobody feel sad or upset, then Eve is dead. I will not hesitate to move on, and I'm sure others will feel the same way. Oh please. They aren't hand holding anyone. CCP provided the channel, they have the right to dictate the rules of the channel, just as any player who makes a channel can. CCP just has a bit more power.
Jr Instructorcon Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 35	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:49:00 - [70] - Quote I am more interested in the people who were permanently banned for petitioning this change. Too bad we can't discuss it on the forums.
Lord Ryan True Xero 100	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:56:00 - [71] - Quote Spelling errors are now a bannable offense ^I'm fukt, can't spell worth ****^ -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes.
Krios Ahzek 43	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:59:00 - [72] - Quote Lord Ryan wrote: playing eve is now a bannable offence Life is a deadly STD. I have no tears to cry.
Tarion Awessi Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 6	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:59:00 - [73] - Quote Alice Katsuko wrote: You can still make recruitment scams, just not in an official in-game channel made by CCP. Shouldn't be too difficult. Nope. Nex apparatu5 wrote: No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. You see someone is looking for a corp in the channel, you privately message them about it and scam them. According to the wording of this, you just broke the rules and (presumably) get banned/some other punishment. Instead, you have to find the players through some other means and just hope you both weren't in the Recruitment channel at the same time, otherwise you'll probably get petitioned. Obviously, its not going to end recruitment scamming. But to say it only applies to things within the recruitment channel is somewhere between outright denial and illiteracy.
K Suri Red Gooey Bananas 24	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:59:00 - [74] - Quote Xython wrote: Wow, wasn't aware this was Hello Kitty online, I must be in the wrong foru... oh, nope, this is EVE. Huh. That's pretty freaking stupid. What were the CSM thinking not throwing a fit about... Oh, they weren't consulted. At all. Of course not. Apparently CEO Hello Kitty (throw in a "mar" there if you want, I couldn't find a spot that made sense) is unaware of what game he's actually in charge of. Wouldn't surprise me, based on how out of touch he and the upper reaches of CCP are nowadays. What's next, being mean to each other will be bannable? Calling someone an idiot in local will get you Concorded? Oh, Oh, I know, lets just disable targeting other player ships from the hours of 12 PM to 11 AM Icelandic time, that'll make sure there's a good experience for everyone, right? No vision, no direction, no clue. CCP 2011. For a "swarm" mentality alliance not much collective happening. On one hand you have Mrs. Harlot proclaiming "bigdeal", "who cares", "won't make any difference" and then there is you screaming "Hello Kitty", "idiot - Concorded". ffs Goons, at LEAST reach a consenus. Maybe you need The Mittani to write a press release for you? /me shakes his head in wonder at the phenomena called "Goons".
K Suri Red Gooey Bananas 24	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:02:00 - [75] - Quote NJEchoAlpha wrote: Crossposted due to mod oppression. The only reason I play Eve is because the interactions between players are direct and all have impacts, everything from scams to ganking. While there is a disadvantage to some players, Eve is a better game with this. If CCP feels the right path is to hold everyone's hands and make nobody feel sad or upset, then Eve is dead. I will not hesitate to move on, and I'm sure others will feel the same way. Can I haz? Oh wait. . . . You're a 0.0 alliance member basking in almost absolute safety with trillions in iskies and assets, backed up by thousands of "leets" and you're freaking out over a RECRUITMENT channel MOTD!!!!! Oh my. Can I haz?
Jacada Ansari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:05:00 - [76] - Quote I am enjoying this enthralling discussion. Please continue.
K Suri Red Gooey Bananas 24	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:07:00 - [77] - Quote Tarion Awessi wrote: Alice Katsuko wrote: You can still make recruitment scams, just not in an official in-game channel made by CCP. Shouldn't be too difficult. Nope. Nex apparatu5 wrote: No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. You see someone is looking for a corp in the channel, you privately message them about it and scam them. According to the wording of this, you just broke the rules and (presumably) get banned/some other punishment. Instead, you have to find the players through some other means and just hope you both weren't in the Recruitment channel at the same time, otherwise you'll probably get petitioned. Obviously, its not going to end recruitment scamming. But to say it only applies to things within the recruitment channel is somewhere between outright denial and illiteracy. Nice pickup. Is that why you guys are raging? 'Cos now people are being warned that there are scamming, lying, thieving SOB's in recruit?
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 420	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:09:00 - [78] - Quote So the pets have a new cause c+¬l+¿bre. Their righteous wrath will be released in an unholy jihad against the oppressors. Luckily for the new players so easily discouraged from that first sub , it won't work. Like can baiting in noob systems, this has been abused and has been stopped. But, if it makes y'all feel better pissing into the wind, by all means continue. Keeps me logging in. Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet.
Jr Instructorcon Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 35	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:12:00 - [79] - Quote This does not protect noobies. Noobies are not scammed because they have nothing of value. This is only protecting people who have atleast 500 million ISK and are dumb enough to fall for a recruitment scam.
Krios Ahzek 43	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:16:00 - [80] - Quote Jacada Ansari wrote: I am enjoying this enthralling discussion. Please continue. I hardly know which thread I'm posting in anymore. Betweem whining, ganking, scamming, trolling and Harlot's magnificent face, the streams have long merged. It's not merely enthralling, it's a posting trance. I have no tears to cry.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 848	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:20:00 - [81] - Quote I often enter a trance-like state when I'm posting. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Gealla Capital Storm. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 20	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:23:00 - [82] - Quote NJEchoAlpha wrote: Crossposted due to mod oppression. The only reason I play Eve is because the interactions between players are direct and all have impacts, everything from scams to ganking. While there is a disadvantage to some players, Eve is a better game with this. If CCP feels the right path is to hold everyone's hands and make nobody feel sad or upset, then Eve is dead. I will not hesitate to move on, and I'm sure others will feel the same way. And go where exactly? Tbh if everybody that's made this threat in the last 3 months actually left, the Mental age of the EVE community would increase by 15-20 years. Minimum.
Gealla Capital Storm. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 20	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:24:00 - [83] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: I often enter a trance-like state when I'm posting. That's called sleeping....also happens on gate camps
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 848	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:25:00 - [84] - Quote Gealla wrote: And go where exactly? Tbh if everybody that's made this threat in the last 3 months actually left, the Mental age of the EVE community would increase by 15-20 years. Minimum. At some point CCP is going to have to stop being horrible just because there aren't any other internet spaceship sandbox games out there. I had hoped that they had realized this but with recent changes in tone I'm starting to have my doubts. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
K Suri Red Gooey Bananas 24	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:26:00 - [85] - Quote Gealla wrote: NJEchoAlpha wrote: Crossposted due to mod oppression. The only reason I play Eve is because the interactions between players are direct and all have impacts, everything from scams to ganking. While there is a disadvantage to some players, Eve is a better game with this. If CCP feels the right path is to hold everyone's hands and make nobody feel sad or upset, then Eve is dead. I will not hesitate to move on, and I'm sure others will feel the same way. And go where exactly? Tbh if everybody that's made this threat in the last 3 months actually left, the Mental age of the EVE community would increase by 15-20 years. Minimum. +1, beautiful. Simply beautiful.
K Suri Red Gooey Bananas 24	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:28:00 - [86] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Gealla wrote: And go where exactly? Tbh if everybody that's made this threat in the last 3 months actually left, the Mental age of the EVE community would increase by 15-20 years. Minimum. At some point CCP is going to have to stop being horrible just because there aren't any other internet spaceship sandbox games out there. I had hoped that they had realized this but with recent changes in tone I'm starting to have my doubts. Why? Because you and the rest of the whiney Deklein cry babies might quit? You'd have to unsub Harlot and no-one will get to see your marvelllous insight into ALL matters Eve.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 848	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:32:00 - [87] - Quote K Suri wrote: Why? Because you and the rest of the whiney Deklein cry babies might quit? You'd have to unsub Harlot and no-one will get to see your marvelllous insight into ALL matters Eve. Your rage inspires me. Never stop posting. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Myxx Atropos Group 143	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:38:00 - [88] - Quote It is my opinion that while this change has good meaning intentions for new players, that it does more to harm them than help them. To explain, a story: I started EVE back in 2005. When I started, thirty million isk was a lot to me. To have even twenty million isk was a good day to me, a real good one. And then, I was scammed less than a week after I had made that initial thirty million isk. I was shattered, angry, slightly depressed and did I mention angry? So there I sat for about an hour, pondering my options: Quit in my fit of rage that I had been had from such an obvious scam, OR, I could learn from it and rebuild and defy my desire to say **** this and quit. I decided this because to me, to allow a single person I've never really met get the better of me and drive me away that easily was unacceptable. That attitude grew: Now, any time anyone puts themselves between me and a goal I have ingame with the intent to ** me off or get me to quit, I keep going. Why? Whats the worst they can do? Take everything from me... again? pfft. So, GM Thunder and those that made this decision, consider that it is in the spirit of EVE that these things are not only allowed, they're condoned and in some aspects, outright encouraged. Yeah, it sucks pretty hard to get **** like that as a new player... BUT... its ultimately better to allow it and condone it so that people learn. Coddling new players makes the symptoms worse and getting scammed later on is even harsher as a result. I personally disagree with the practice of recruitment scamming, but it is perfectly within the spirit and soul of EVE to do so. If this change stands, you've done more to harm anyone new to EVE than Goonswarm or anyone else could hope to do.
MeestaPenni Mercantile and Stuff 42	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:43:00 - [89] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: I often enter a trance-like state when I'm posting. Yeah....."zombie" seems about right.
Zions Child Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance 23	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:45:00 - [90] - Quote Myxx's post is the best post in this thread. Scamming is a part of EVE-Life, don't screw it up. It would be like getting rid of ganking or pirating, its just another aspect that is a part of EVE's character.

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