If you're scamming someone for 500 million ISK, he's not a newbie.

I will not hesitate to move on, and I'm sure others will feel the same way.

Only Mass Effect is better than Eve: Online, you see

Goons are an insignificant part of EVE now.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

One of our newer members scammed 500 million from some pubbie within 30 minutes of joining Goonwaffe.

He's a goddamn Goon hero.

Maybe they're trying to lose subscribers?

Only Mass Effect is better than Eve: Online, you see

Some food for discussion:

1. Is it considered a bad thing if the official recruitment channel itself is considered a scam free zone? Given that there's no wider ban against tricking people with recruitment offers elsewhere?
2. Does this take from the free form, fend-for-yourself, nature of EVE any more than let's say...the ban on character trade scams in the Character Bazaar forum or the sanctions against harvesting n00b tears in starter systems with free stuff?

I'm not taking a stance on this topic, only trying to help those who make these decisions better understand your views on these matters.

I can tell you that the sandbox is sacred in our minds here at CCP, but that there is also an understanding that sometimes, lines need to be drawn around certain limited areas for the overall good of the game. My feeling is that most would probably agree with that statement, although I'm sure there are also those who feel that CCP should maintain a complete hands off approach.

Let's discuss.

WELCOME TO EVE

You will be scammed. After 60 days of paid subscription time, you will be credited 50m isk into your wallet. This is all you'll get. Scams in eve are a feature, not a bug. Consider this your warning, and in 60 days you'll get reimbursed a reasonable amount of isk. That is all.

Some food for discussion:

1. Is it considered a bad thing if the official recruitment channel itself is considered a scam free zone? Given that there's no wider ban against tricking people with recruitment offers elsewhere?
2. Does this take from the free form, fend-for-yourself, nature of EVE any more than let's say...the ban on character trade scams in the Character Bazaar forum or the sanctions against harvesting n00b tears in starter systems with free stuff?

I'm not taking a stance on this topic, only trying to help those who make these decisions better understand your views on these matters.

I can tell you that the sandbox is sacred in our minds here at CCP, but that there is also an understanding that sometimes, lines need to be drawn around certain limited areas for the overall good of the game. My feeling is that most would probably agree with that statement, although I'm sure there are also those who feel that CCP should maintain a complete hands off approach.

Let's discuss.

Yeah let's lock the thread with good well thought out posts (by zagdul f.i.) and redirect to this old steaming pile of *****, good call there CCP Phantom, and by that I mean you're terrible, especially considering you locked it right after CCP Guard said "Let's discuss".

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Bad Phantom

Good Guard.

Forum natzi's in regards to duplicate threads need to figure out that it hasn't gone away in 8+ years, they have never been able to be vigilant enough to stop it all the time. If they persist in the stupidity, I've no problem reporting every thread that could be considered a 'duplicate', but I guarantee they won't have time to lock them all, and there'll be like 12 threads left on the forum that are active.

Some food for discussion:

1. Is it considered a bad thing if the official recruitment channel itself is considered a scam free zone? Given that there's no wider ban against tricking people with recruitment offers elsewhere?
2. Does this take from the free form, fend-for-yourself, nature of EVE any more than let's say...the ban on character trade scams in the Character Bazaar forum or the sanctions against harvesting n00b tears in starter systems with free stuff?

I'm not taking a stance on this topic, only trying to help those who make these decisions better understand your views on these matters.

I can tell you that the sandbox is sacred in our minds here at CCP, but that there is also an understanding that sometimes, lines need to be drawn around certain limited areas for the overall good of the game. My feeling is that most would probably agree with that statement, although I'm sure there are also those who feel that CCP should maintain a complete hands off approach.

Let's discuss.

The main currency in EvE is not ISK or AUR, its trust. In a player run channel I have to trust that the people running the channel are going to uphold the rules, that they're not colluding with scammers to take my money. Those people have to earn my trust either directly or through the opinions of other people I already trust. In a CCP run channel where scamming is banned it completely removes trust from the equation. Nobody has to work for my trust because it is provided for them by CCP.

This is why this change is stupid.

So, I have no issue if CCP decided we couldn't recruitment scam people who are less than a month old, or have less than 1m SP. But protecting the 5 year old player who is stupid enough to contract me his faction fit BS and tengu is beyond me.

Some food for discussion:

1. Is it considered a bad thing if the official recruitment channel itself is considered a scam free zone? Given that there's no wider ban against tricking people with recruitment offers elsewhere?
2. Does this take from the free form, fend-for-yourself, nature of EVE any more than let's say...the ban on character trade scams in the Character Bazaar forum or the sanctions against harvesting n00b tears in starter systems with free stuff?

I'm not taking a stance on this topic, only trying to help those who make these decisions better understand your views on these matters.

I can tell you that the sandbox is sacred in our minds here at CCP, but that there is also an understanding that sometimes, lines need to be drawn around certain limited areas for the overall good of the game. My feeling is that most would probably agree with that statement, although I'm sure there are also those who feel that CCP should maintain a complete hands off approach.

Let's discuss.

Given the choice between a CCP-approved 'no scamming allowed' channel and other venues where they are open to scams, every player looking for a new corp will choose the safe option. There won't be anyone looking for a new corp in local, or in an unofficial channel, because CCP has provided a recruitment channel which caters to all their needs and is a guaranteed safe haven from scamming. Remember, risk versus reward: why would a player looking for a new corp choose the unsafe option when it provides no advantage? And why would a corp legitimately seeking out new players advertise in an unsafe channel rather than the CCP-approved no scamming zone?

Just out of curiosity, what do you to members who get successfully scammed and someone proves this with evidence...

Not trolling, just want to know whether it's a slap on the wrists or a kick in the ass...or something more sinister involving a shovel and duct tape.

AK

this makes no sense to me.
"if given the choice" indicates a knowledge of the fact that scamming happens in EVE, in which case a scam-free channel is a moot point since the entire idea of a scam free channel is to protect those who don't know any better.