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Dampfschlaghammer	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 01/04/2006 13:19:35 Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 01/04/2006 13:18:07 The history of recent years proves that the shootings and the chains and the tribute payments are not simply the transient tools but the very altars of BOB. They may talk of a "new order" in EvE, but what they have in mind is only a revival of the oldest and the worst tyranny. In that there is no liberty, no peace, no hope. The proposed "new order" is the very opposite of a United Alliance of the North or a United Alliance of the South. It is not an alliance based upon the consent of the governed. It is not a union of ordinary, self-respecting men and women to protect themselves and their freedom and their dignity from oppression. It is an unholy alliance of power and pelf to dominate and to enslave all of EVE. G/IRON and their allies today are conducting an active war against this unholy alliance. EVE's own future security is greatly dependent on the outcome of that fight. Your ability to "keep out of war" is going to be affected by that outcome. Thinking in terms of today and tomorrow, I make the direct statement to the people of EVE that there is far less chance of you getting into submission if we do all we can now to support the alliances defending themselves against attack by BOB than if you acquiesce in their defeat, submit tamely to BOB's victory, and wait your turn to be the object of attack in another war later on. Let not the defeatists tell us that it is too late. It will never be earlier. Tomorrow will be later than today. Certain facts are self-evident. In a military sense G/IRON and their alliance are today the spearhead of resistance to world conquest. And they are putting up a fight which will live forever in the story of EVE's gallantry. We must have more battleships, more guns, more dreadnoughts -- more of everything. And this can be accomplished only if we discard the notion of "business as usual." I believe that BOB is not going to win this war. I base that belief on the latest and best of information. We have no excuse for defeatism. We have every good reason for hope -- hope for peace, yes, and hope for the defense of EVE's independence and for the building of a better universe in the future. I have the profound conviction that the corporations of EVE are now determined to put forth a mightier effort than they have ever yet made to increase their production and their controbution to all the implements of defense, to meet the threat to EVE's independence. The forces of good call upon all other alliances with absolute confidence that our common cause will greatly succeed.
Dampfschlaghammer	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 01/04/2006 13:17:34 To the free people of EvE Never before has EvE's civilization been in such danger as now. For, by an agreement signed long ago, four powerful alliances, two in the South and two in the North, joined themselves together in the threat that to any entity which interfered with or blocked the expansion program of these alliances -- a program aimed at world control -- they would unite in ultimate action against their enemies. The BoB masters of this alliance have made it clear that they intend not only to dominate all life and thought in their own regions, but also to enslave the whole of their neighbours, and then to use the resources of them to dominate the rest of EvE. BoB not merely admits BoB proclaims that there can be no ultimate peace between their philosophy -- their philosophy of EvE -- and all other alliances seeking to live freely. In view of the nature of this undeniable threat, it can be asserted, properly and categorically, that no free alliance in EvE has right or reason to encourage talk of peace until the day shall come when there is a clear intention on the part of BOB to abandon all thought of dominating or conquering the universe. At this moment, the forces of BoB and their minions that are leagued against all alliances who live in freedom might be held away from your corporations. Five and Fe are being blocked on the North by G and Iron, and by hundreds of soldiers and merchants who were able to escape from subjugated regions. In the South, BoB is being engaged by SA in another great defense. Some of EvE's people like to believe that wars in 0.0 and restricted empire wars are of no concern to them. But it is a matter of most vital concern to all that BoB's war-makers should not gain control of more territory. Therefore, we all have to stand guard in the North, siding with G/IRON/RZR. Does anyone seriously believe that they need to fear attack anywhere in the North while a free G/IRON remains the most powerful entity there? And does anyone seriously believe, on the other hand, that they could rest easy if BoB and Five were their neighbors there? If G/IRON goes down, BoB will soon control the majority of the regions of the South and North. And they will be in a position to bring enormous military and economic resources against the rest of EvE. It is no exaggeration to say that all of us in EvE would be living at the point of a gun -- a gun loaded with explosive bullets, economic as well as military. We should enter upon a new and terrible era in which the whole of EvE, your region included, would be run by threats of brute force. And to survive in such a world, all would have to convert themselves permanently into a militaristic power on the basis of war economy. During the past week many people in all parts of EvE have expressed a courageous desire to hear the plain truth about the gravity of the situation. One carebear, however, expressed the attitude of the small minority who want to see no evil and hear no evil, even though they know in their hearts that BoB exists. The gist of the conversation was: "Please, don't frighten me by telling me the facts." Frankly and definitely there is danger ahead -- danger against which we must prepare. But we well know that we cannot escape danger, or the fear of danger, by crawling into bed and pulling the covers over our heads. The fact remains that BoB's opponents were attacked, overrun, thrown into modern slavery at an hour's notice -- or even without any notice at all. As an exiled leader of TRUST said the other day, "The forum notice was a minus quantity. It was given to my alliance hours after BoB troops had poured into my systems in a hundred places." The fate of these alliances tells us what it means to live at the point of BoB's gun.
Dampfschlaghammer	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 01/04/2006 13:19:08 Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 01/04/2006 13:17:36 BoB have justified such actions by various pious frauds. One of these frauds is the claim that they are occupying an alliance like SA for the purpose of "restoring order." Another is that they are occupying or controlling alliances on the excuse that they are an äalt allianceô of somebody else. For example, BoB has said that she was occupying TRUST's system to prevent them from acting as an alt alliance of G/IRON. Would BoB then hesitate to say to any other alliance: "We are occupying you to prevent you from acting as an alt alliance of our enemies"? TRUST today is being used as an invasion base against G/IRON, now fighting for its life. And any such occupied alliance, in BoB hands, would always constitute a jumping off place for attack on any one of the other alliances of EvE. Analyze for yourselves the future of two other places even nearer to G/IRON if BOB won. Could Frege hold out? Would Big Blue be permitted as an amazing pet exception in an unfree world? There are those who say that BoB would never have any desire to control all of EvE. That is the same dangerous form of wishful thinking which has destroyed the powers of resistance of so many conquered alliances. The plain facts are that BoB have proclaimed, time and again, that all other alliances are their inferiors and therefore subject to their orders. Let us no longer blind ourselves to the undeniable fact that the evil forces which have crushed and undermined and corrupted so many others are already within our own gates. Their secret emissaries are active in your and every alliance. They seek to stir up suspicion and dissension, to cause internal strife. They try to turn carebears against PvPers, and vice versa. They are active in every group, like ATUK, that promotes intolerance and long slumbering racial enmities. They exploit for their own ends the natural abhorrence of war. These trouble-breeders have but one purpose. It is to divide EVE's people, to divide them into hostile groups and to destroy their unity and shatter their will to defend themselves. There are citizens of EVE, many of them in high places, who, unwittingly in most cases, are aiding and abetting the work of BOB. I do not charge them with being BOB's agents. But I do charge them with doing exactly the kind of work that the dictators want done in EVE. These people not only believe that they can save their own skins by shutting their eyes to the fate of other alliances. Some of them go much further than that. They say that we can and should become the friends and even the partners of BOB. Some of them even suggest that we should imitate the methods of them. But a free and good alliance never can and never will do that. The experience of the past years has proven beyond doubt that no alliance can appease BoB. No man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it. There can be no appeasement with ruthlessness. There can be no reasoning with an incendiary bomb. We know now that a nation can have peace with BOB only at the price of total surrender. Even the people of Goonfleet have been forced to become accomplices of this grand alliance; but at this moment they do not know how soon they will be embraced to death by their äalliesô. The appeasers ignore the warning to be found in the fate of many alliances. They tell you that BOB is going to win anyway; that all of this bloodshed in the EvE universe could be saved, that the rest of EVE might just as well throw its influence into the scale of a dictated peace and get the best out of it that they can. They call it a "negotiated peace." Nonsense! Is it a negotiated peace if a gang of pirates surrounds your community and on threat of extermination makes you pay tribute to save your own skins? For such a dictated peace would be no peace at all, but merely the illusion of peace.
Edhel	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:39:00 - [4] 1st, will read in a bit
Mitchello	Posted - 2006.04.01 13:57:00 - [5] /me looks at date
Shadow2004	Posted - 2006.04.01 14:04:00 - [6] /me thinks this guy is off his roker and needs to be put in a nice padded white room ONLY THE GOOD DIE YOUNG !!!!
Alastorr Frost	Posted - 2006.04.01 14:04:00 - [7] All I read was ...bla bla bla bla... Regards, Frosty ____________________________________________________________ Stay Frosty out there
Jetsam Starson	Posted - 2006.04.01 14:05:00 - [8] What's the title to this piece? I suggest "Arsenal of EvE"
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.01 14:29:00 - [9] Sorry, you're not Jade and I'm not reading all that from anyone else. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
CLEISTHENES2	Posted - 2006.04.01 14:42:00 - [10] Edited by: CLEISTHENES2 on 01/04/2006 14:42:17 SA alt...cos i read alot about SA this and SA that..lmao..LAME

Tarri	Posted - 2006.04.01 15:30:00 - [11] Edited by: Tarri on 01/04/2006 15:30:35 Originally by: CLEISTHENES2 Edited by: CLEISTHENES2 on 01/04/2006 14:42:17 SA alt...cos i read alot about SA this and SA that..lmao..LAME Lol, he uses "SA" twice. Have you even read what he posted?
The AntiCrust	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:04:00 - [12] the forums really do need a new topic.. "we hate bob" or whatever threads get old so god damn fast..
Ann Ripley	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:07:00 - [13] bring them on.. WTB targets...
CLEISTHENES2	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Tarri Edited by: Tarri on 01/04/2006 15:30:35 Originally by: CLEISTHENES2 Edited by: CLEISTHENES2 on 01/04/2006 14:42:17 SA alt...cos i read alot about SA this and SA that..lmao..LAME Lol, he uses "SA" twice. Have you even read what he posted? Good you can count...
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:49:00 - [15] omg is that my poor head? -------------------------------- Darkness and humanity.
Tarri	Posted - 2006.04.01 17:06:00 - [16] Originally by: CLEISTHENES2 Originally by: Tarri Edited by: Tarri on 01/04/2006 15:30:35 Originally by: CLEISTHENES2 Edited by: CLEISTHENES2 on 01/04/2006 14:42:17 SA alt...cos i read alot about SA this and SA that..lmao..LAME Lol, he uses "SA" twice. Have you even read what he posted? Good you can count... Luckily there were no bigger numbers involved.
TWD	Posted - 2006.04.01 19:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Dampfschlaghammer In the South, BoB is being engaged by SA in another great defense. Havn't bothered to read the rest, but the following is more accurate: In the south, you have VC / SA / IMP against BoB, but they lack the organization and skill to have any impact on BoB.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.04.01 20:05:00 - [18] Please be mindful of the location wherein this communique' was posted, so I do not have to arise from behind my desk in Yulai to stomp on trolls. ___

Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.01 20:35:00 - [19] Well written and ultimately very tenable. Industrial Giants
Deathwing	Posted - 2006.04.01 20:37:00 - [20] Edited by: Deathwing on 01/04/2006 20:37:42 Ignorant fool Do you really believe that this call to arms to unite against the most powerful war machine in eve is going to do you any good? The only thing your rallying a united force against us will do will be to take a bunch of small targets that would take time and effort to remove from existance, and turn it into one big target which we can simply call in the heavy hitters for and roll over. I believe you are not viewing the big picture here. If you were, you would already see that it is to late for "the free people of eve". BoB's war machine is pumping out capital ships like the Gallente pop out cheap holoreels. We are home to many of the best and brightest pilots in eve who have waged and been involved in the biggest wars in the galaxy. Our commanders view their battlefields and make their strategies with such grace and efficiancy that you would think they had already seen the end of the war and everything between then and now was a mere technicality. This call to arms is pointless, you might as well just lay down on the floor with paper bags on your heads chanting "there's no place like home" and call it a day. BoB is comming And there is nothing you can do about it <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS

Lliira	Posted - 2006.04.01 21:18:00 - [21] To the free people of EVE Many times in the past have failing forces tried to get public support by twisting and turning the facts to their favor. Do not let their foul words mislead your judgement. These 'keepers of freedom' thought that they have the right to go against their former allies, just because those allies decided to sign peace with the enemy. In thier pride they thought, that just because someone is not WITH them, it necessarily means that someone is against them. People in G/IRON and their likeminded lapdogs are sprouting lies all over EVE to get them support in their senseless crusade against a few selected corporations and their friends / allies. Now that they have to fight the wars THEY started, you hear them cry tyranny and treason. If you truly believe in the right for freedom, then you'll let them get what they've bargained for. In reality it is the actions of G/IRON, the unreasonable hatred they feel and fuel that bring instability to EVE. It is THEM you all must fear, as their actions cause people to get involved in wars they have no interest in. Stop listening to lies. Stop listening to propaganda. See them for what they truly are: Arrongant cowards, who lie about their intentions, their ideology, about history, but worst of all: people who even lie to themselves. G/IRON: Long have you been a foul cell in the north. Let yourself be cured, so that the whole north can live and prosper again.
Jurushy	Posted - 2006.04.01 21:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Lliira To the free people of EVE Many times in the past have failing forces tried to get public support by twisting and turning the facts to their favor. Do not let their foul words mislead your judgement. These 'keepers of freedom' thought that they have the right to go against their former allies, just because those allies decided to sign peace with the enemy. In thier pride they thought, that just because someone is not WITH them, it necessarily means that someone is against them. People in G/IRON and their likeminded lapdogs are sprouting lies all over EVE to get them support in their senseless crusade against a few selected corporations and their friends / allies. Now that they have to fight the wars THEY started, you hear them cry tyranny and treason. If you truly believe in the right for freedom, then you'll let them get what they've bargained for. In reality it is the actions of G/IRON, the unreasonable hatred they feel and fuel that bring instability to EVE. It is THEM you all must fear, as their actions cause people to get involved in wars they have no interest in. Stop listening to lies. Stop listening to propaganda. See them for what they truly are: Arrongant cowards, who lie about their intentions, their ideology, about history, but worst of all: people who even lie to themselves. G/IRON: Long have you been a foul cell in the north. Let yourself be cured, so that the whole north can live and prosper again. We are not defeated yet and btw we know how to fight and we will survivel tis "test" u cant kill us alown u cant kill us whit 3 allys and now u try it whit more do u really think this new situation will change anything? do u really think u will win the war? be sure one fight is not the end of g/iron
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.04.01 23:27:00 - [23] If anyone wishes to rise up and crush this great evil, we live in Delve. Head for Khanid, keep going south through A2-V27 and turn right at 7GCD-P. For a short time you will find us relaxing in EC-P8R. Look forward to seeing you all soon. P.S. You caught my good side in that picture, thanks. My agent will send the bill for royalties to your people Eve Blacklight Style
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.04.01 23:28:00 - [24] ((Second time of writing, and if you'd be so kind as to point out WHY this statement isn't within the rules of this forum I'd be much obliged)) For the forces of evil to succeed, the forces of good need to do nothing. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.04.02 00:11:00 - [25] BoB does what BoB does, just because... oh and more resistance is welcomed with open arms. Lelos or Cocordokken!
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2006.04.02 00:15:00 - [26] We Are the BoB, Your Top PvP'er Will Be Added to The Collective And All who resist will be Killed, resistance is.....futile
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.04.02 00:16:00 - [27] Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 02/04/2006 00:16:51 Originally by: Aloysius Knight We Are the BoB, Your Top PvP'er Will Be Added to The Collective And All who resist will be Killed, resistance is.....futile and then you will be assimilated by siddy. Lelos or Cocordokken!
Dracorimus	Posted - 2006.04.02 00:22:00 - [28] As a fighter for BoB, I see that G/Iron are getting their comeuppance after declaring that their neighbours in the north should burn... Align yourselves with the wrong crowd and be punished for your foolishness.... Regards - Comin' at ya!
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.04.02 00:37:00 - [29] break down for every one bob = bad atuk = evil bigets rest of eve= poor souls who should support g/iron STAN FACTA NON VERBA [MACE] [ATUK] EvE player against EvE in china. Gallente people are all about democracy!
k starwind	Posted - 2006.04.02 00:46:00 - [30] It is we who are fighting for the free people of eve. We are the people that ar here to save you from your overlords that are twisting the way you see the universe. ASCN stands for freedom BOB stands for strenth .5. stands for unity together we will rid the universe of the lies that have clouded the judgement of Northern POD pilots for generations. How many more brothers do we have to kill before you realise that G/IRON are turning you into slaves and you are only good to them if you are defending thier space of refining at thier stations. We have come to EC-P8R to show you the way. WE are spreading the truth and we will give freedom to all those that truly want it. you have 2 options. 1. leave G/IRON space 2. Stay and fight for false freedom We will not think lesser of you for picking 1 and ridding yourself of the northern hate and lies but pick 2 and you will have a long time ahead of you. K Starwind While they were saying among themselves it cannot be done, it was done

Kamui Shiro	Posted - 2006.04.02 01:30:00 - [31] G/IRON sure are desperate now... Nice long article though. Now if you could only rent a space on all the stargate billboards in empire to post it.
Heritor	Posted - 2006.04.02 01:34:00 - [32] hmmm.....looks like swapping like for like Always where your seatbelt, its far harder for the aliens to abduct you!
SumMeiWhine	Posted - 2006.04.02 01:51:00 - [33] Edited by: SumMeiWhine on 02/04/2006 01:53:36 Originally by: k starwind ASCN stands for freedom BOB stands for strenth .5. stands for unity and BS stands for bull****
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.04.02 03:13:00 - [34] Originally by: SumMeiWhine Edited by: SumMeiWhine on 02/04/2006 01:53:36 Originally by: k starwind ASCN stands for freedom BOB stands for strenth .5. stands for unity and BS stands for bull**** Hmm, and I guess that not posting with your main stands for a scared little girl? The truth will set you free
Faith Rose	Posted - 2006.04.02 04:47:00 - [35] Edited by: Faith Rose on 02/04/2006 04:47:48 You speak of evil when you have become what you say your hate, You judge before viewing your own actions, You wish others to bleed for your greed. Your blind to your own actions. When will this ignorance end. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.
Temu Djinn	Posted - 2006.04.02 06:56:00 - [36] Originally by: SumMeiWhine and BS stands for bull**** Oh no . .and everyone up until now toold me that BS stood for Battleship . . . .so When I was asked to report with my BS . . .
Robert Dobbs	Posted - 2006.04.02 08:08:00 - [37] Bob not evil Bob not silly Bob tie knot in big G's willy
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.04.02 08:41:00 - [38] Originally by: Abdalion Please be mindful of the location wherein this communique' was posted, so I do not have to arise from behind my desk in Yulai to stomp on trolls. You know I always thought of you as sitting in a field with pippi longstockings pigtails pulling the pedals off of daisys. Now I have this visual after reading that last statement, of one of the women from "Hot For Teachers" music video, the one that comes out from behind the desk smacking a ruler in her hand. Could be I'm delirious too and I need some sleep...yeah that must be it.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.04.02 08:47:00 - [39] The analysis, despite its length was quite dull and mundane. The concept of freedom, despite its appearance throughout your communique, still eludes you. Just as it eludes those you wish to address with such hilarious drivel. Truely free people can't be told what to do, where to go, or how to live. They take how much is desired, and give all that is required. The people you are goading into revolution are nothing but cattle, sheep, or any other livestock not bred for any purpose but to feed the carnivores around them. Have you ever stood back and pondered who it is you are attempting to stop? Your idea should come from name alone. Evolution. Brotherhood. Both are forces which cannot be dominated by forces beyond your understanding, much less the simplicity of the one called "greed". You want those not willed enough for conflict to shed blood for an ideal which they do not hold as close to their hearts as they do their wallets. Who do you aim to delude more by spewing such nonsense - your readers, or yourself? Evolution is progress which can only be stunted by stupidity and decadence. Conflict is merely fuel for the fire, you poor misguided victim. The more you resist, the more you discover how beneficial our actions are to the very survival of humankind. Alliances have lived, breathed and died in the time of our mighty existance. Each time the weaklings are sent scattered to the winds, and never seen again. But each time there are a persistant few, whether fueled by petty hatred, or mere persistance, go on. They become stronger, smarter, faster, and generally superior to anyone they ever knew before our arrival - themselves included. You would deny EVE the holy blessing that is BoB? You would deny people the feeling of "freedom" itself. Why do you seek to "stabilize" EVE through peace, order and general inactivity? Not even the isk mongering capitalists can profit without our wars. This leads me to believe you are still trapped under a veil of ignorance called "blind hatred", but aluding to the creation of some massive coalition of corporations hell-bent on fighting fire with fire makes me wonder. There is hope for you yet. The closer you come to achieving your goal, the more common our goals become, and you too may find yourself within our ranks riding among the elite of EVE in golden chariots created of tungsten carbide. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
pershphanie	Posted - 2006.04.02 11:01:00 - [40] Edited by: pershphanie on 02/04/2006 11:03:37 Originally by: Dracorimus As a fighter for BoB, I see that G/Iron are getting their comeuppance after declaring that their neighbours in the north should burn... Align yourselves with the wrong crowd and be punished for your foolishness.... Regards /signed I can tell you now that the sides are what they are because of G/iron's arrogence. They where too uber to have any other friends. They chose this path for themselves. As for G/iron representing freedom \o/ Ask any one in the north what G/iron do to people in the north who dont let G/iron dictate their friends/enemies. To be in the north you have to let G/iron pick your friends enemies for you. You are friends with someone Giron doesnt like? to bad! You are not allowed to think for yourself in the north. ATUK never once asked me to set red alliance to -10. I saw fix out there in Q for a year with completly independant standings from bob. However if you set FE to + youll find a swift -10 standing from g/iron. That to me is far more oppresive than anything bob/the5 ever does. People in the north and all over eve need to take a look around and rethink who the bad guys really are these days. If we live in a galaxy where the good guys wont let you think for yourselves then we really are in trouble. Forced standings = thought police in my book. G and Iron are wolves in sheeps clothing. These true tyrrants of the north need to be stopped asap. Standings enclosurism 4tL.

pershphanie	Posted - 2006.04.02 11:08:00 - [41] however blacklight does kick babies and eat kittens. So i guess there is two sides to every story.
Ace Frehley	Posted - 2006.04.02 11:19:00 - [42] who cares if BOB kills g/iron?? I have my own life.. And i have g/iron at - and always had so the 5 bobbys can please kill em fo me, having np with that Text must be in english - Laqum http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/2280/acebar4xc.jpg Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes and your signature is inappropriate for these forums. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
SumMeiWhine	Posted - 2006.04.02 11:52:00 - [43] Originally by: pershphanie That to me is far more oppresive than anything bob/the5 ever does. lol thats hilarious coming from you. i'm sure that if you had any chance of beating the 5 then you would have still nap'd them then huh? you're whole existence is dicatated by the 5, so how you can comment on other alliance freedom in that tone is quite frankly hysterical. go back to sucking***** like you're good at.
pershphanie	Posted - 2006.04.02 12:14:00 - [44] Edited by: pershphanie on 02/04/2006 12:15:26 Originally by: SumMeiWhine Originally by: pershphanie That to me is far more oppresive than anything bob/the5 ever does. lol thats hilarious coming from you. i'm sure that if you had any chance of beating the 5 then you would have still nap'd them then huh? you're whole existence is dicatated by the 5, so how you can comment on other alliance freedom in that tone is quite frankly hysterical. go back to sucking***** like you're good at. So you are denying G/Iron are oppresing northerners through standings enclosurism? Or are you just here to post your usual crying about FE napping the5? Cause if it is the last than I think you are stuck on yesterdays news. Everyone is tired of hearing that over and over again. Also it is very off topic. This is thread is about pod pilots deciding who the real evil force in eve is, bob/5/ascn or g/iron. This issue is more complex than cowards like you can possibly understand. This issue does deserve a thread for people to hear both sides of the story in full with out random alt flames.
Mr SunTzu	Posted - 2006.04.02 14:45:00 - [45] Originally by: pershphanie Edited by: pershphanie on 02/04/2006 12:15:26 Originally by: SumMeiWhine Originally by: pershphanie That to me is far more oppresive than anything bob/the5 ever does. lol thats hilarious coming from you. i'm sure that if you had any chance of beating the 5 then you would have still nap'd them then huh? you're whole existence is dicatated by the 5, so how you can comment on other alliance freedom in that tone is quite frankly hysterical. go back to sucking***** like you're good at. So you are denying G/Iron are oppresing northerners through standings enclosurism? Or are you just here to post your usual crying about FE napping the5? Cause if it is the last than I think you are stuck on yesterdays news. Everyone is tired of hearing that over and over again. Also it is very off topic. This is thread is about pod pilots deciding who the real evil force in eve is, bob/5/ascn or g/iron. This issue is more complex than cowards like you can possibly understand. This issue does deserve a thread for people to hear both sides of the story in full with out random alt flames. oppressing northeners? An alliance is like a government and the standings are its laws. If ppl wouldnt have unified standings then there would be only chaos. But feel free to ask the residents of the north if they feel "oppresed". Also how in your mind can it be possible that G/Iron are the evil force? Wasnt it G/Iron who defended the north again and again vs southern invaders without ever receiving any help (not that they complained about it)? G/Iron were never aggressive alliances, they always respected their neighbours only to be let down by them. Im for sure not the only one who remembers the bragging posts of F-E stating how they "pwn" .5. and that even if someone would offer help they wouldnt need it. F-E/PA/NBSI were already in decline when the war vs .5. was fought and any actions from G/Iron (which had themselfs enough to do with BoB and co) would only have had prolonged ur end. The sad part here isnt that G/Iron have to fight so many enemies, its the fact that most of those enemies are just minions of a single alliance and dont realise that.
Broden Wallace	Posted - 2006.04.02 17:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Mr SunTzu G/Iron were never aggressive alliances, they always respected their neighbours only to be let down by them. So invading ASCN territory and trying to get a behind the back NAP with BOB to divide the ASCN area are the acts of alliances that purely defend what they have?
tbow10	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:44:00 - [47] Edited by: tbow10 on 02/04/2006 23:45:20 wrong button
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.03 08:16:00 - [48] Originally by: Broden Wallace Originally by: Mr SunTzu G/Iron were never aggressive alliances, they always respected their neighbours only to be let down by them. So invading ASCN territory and trying to get a behind the back NAP with BOB to divide the ASCN area are the acts of alliances that purely defend what they have? jeeezus, that strange NAP story again that one single person asked for, and it wasnt even a NAP, it was working together and occupying ASCN space after G were done with them. And also since when is ASCN a neighbour? its a bit to far down south. Me scratches head again - the disinformation, the half-truths, the idiocy -------------------------------- Darkness and humanity.
Phoenix Pryde	Posted - 2006.04.03 08:41:00 - [49] While an entertaining read ... g ... there is only one absolute truth in the universe ... its called ISK We quite happily trade our high quailty goods for parts of this one infinite truth Shop // Infinite Improbability Inc [3-I] - a TRUST corporation
ForgeMarket	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:15:00 - [50] I've ALWAYS lived in the north (yes, this is an alt, I don't want my corp to get war deced because of my opinions...they don't all feel the same way). I can tell you that the folks who run IRON are dictators and rule their subjects by fear and force. They charge residents to live there through station taxes, will not allow resident non-alliance corps to put up large POS's to refine (meaning multiple jumps just to get your ore to a station for a refine), provide little protection for the cost involved, and then complain when resident non-alliance folk don't want to come to their defense. Of course, if you do go to their defense, you can't join their fleet(so I've been told). So you're cannon fodder. And all you get in return is that you pay them taxes and have to haul your ore however far it takes to get it to the nearest IRON approved refinery. IRON wants help defending their space? Not from me. I won't defend their space so I can pay them taxes and be forced to their defense because the morale amongst their alliance forces is failing. There's only so long you can treat people like garbage before they WELCOME change. I offer no proof of my statements, but anyone who was in the communications channel for Deklin on Sunday knows the strong-arming they use to get people to fight for them. No more.

Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:46:00 - [51] And I quote ... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=297994 Quote: As of tomorrow, G and IRON will be adjusting our standings to every major and minor entity left in the north. PA, NBSI, KAOS and anybody else i might have forgoten, will be set to -10. As 5 has been KOS to us since thier founding and F-E has been set to -10 as a consequence of thier NAP with 5, the entire north is now effectivly Hostile to us. This includes Corperations not affiliated with or suported by any of the named entities. With other words, if your not sure we like you, run cuz we probably dont. Reasons: Incapability of the before mentioned, former neutrals to take care of "their" space, Our boredom and the new ship software upgrades which make killing easier. All directors have been informed to count convo requests.The corp and/or allaince that manages to get on our nerves the most will recieve all the attention our fleets are capable of giving. (minor edits for clarity and grammar and compliance for forum rules) *** That was the leader of G. Speaking for IRON and G and joined enthusiastically by RAZOR supporters in a public address given on 2006.02.22 21:49:00. That is not the voice of freedom. _________________
Able Citizen	Posted - 2006.04.03 17:22:00 - [52] Originally by: Mr SunTzu oppressing northeners? An alliance is like a government and the standings are its laws. If ppl wouldnt have unified standings then there would be only chaos. That is completely untrue. I have operated with the Jericho Fraction for several months now and our standings are completely independent of any other alliance's standings and we have not had even a hint of chaos in our areas of operation.
Lliira	Posted - 2006.04.03 17:26:00 - [53] Nice quote.. really. It show who the true tyrants of the norths are. Slaves of the north. Overthrow your G / Iron masters. Fight for your freedom. Do not let your every actions be dictated by self bloated egoists, who think the whole universe is their playground. Stand up for your rights!
Robeyone	Posted - 2006.04.03 18:44:00 - [54] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine And I quote ... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=297994 Quote: As of tomorrow, G and IRON will be adjusting our standings to every major and minor entity left in the north. PA, NBSI, KAOS and anybody else i might have forgoten, will be set to -10. As 5 has been KOS to us since thier founding and F-E has been set to -10 as a consequence of thier NAP with 5, the entire north is now effectivly Hostile to us. This includes Corperations not affiliated with or suported by any of the named entities. With other words, if your not sure we like you, run cuz we probably dont. Reasons: Incapability of the before mentioned, former neutrals to take care of "their" space, Our boredom and the new ship software upgrades which make killing easier. All directors have been informed to count convo requests.The corp and/or allaince that manages to get on our nerves the most will recieve all the attention our fleets are capable of giving. (minor edits for clarity and grammar and compliance for forum rules) *** That was the leader of G. Speaking for IRON and G and joined enthusiastically by RAZOR supporters in a public address given on 2006.02.22 21:49:00. That is not the voice of freedom. Hmm I didn't really miss all that much did I
AvanCade	Posted - 2006.04.04 00:12:00 - [55] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Broden Wallace Originally by: Mr SunTzu G/Iron were never aggressive alliances, they always respected their neighbours only to be let down by them. So invading ASCN territory and trying to get a behind the back NAP with BOB to divide the ASCN area are the acts of alliances that purely defend what they have? jeeezus, that strange NAP story again that one single person asked for, and it wasnt even a NAP, it was working together and occupying ASCN space after G were done with them. And also since when is ASCN a neighbour? its a bit to far down south. Me scratches head again - the disinformation, the half-truths, the idiocy Lmao occupy ASCN space with G/IRON/RZR pls...not in a million years, i would rather sell my accounts than work with you lot...
Gradinger	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:10:00 - [56] that concord dislikes me shows my own freedom. down with the hypocritical G/Iron/Rzr oppressors!
TheHerbster	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:32:00 - [57] If your reading this, and you are not friendly, You're going to DIE! Free citizens, you belong to us, you will give us your iskies, your goods, and your wives and daughters (as long as they are above the legal age of consent) On your knees and beg...... Muhahahahahahahahahah......hahahahhahahahha.....hahahahah Don't worry sir!! They couldn't hit an elephant at this ra.....
Entilzah Valen	Posted - 2006.04.04 10:21:00 - [58] Edited by: Entilzah Valen on 04/04/2006 10:22:51 Originally by: Blacklight If anyone wishes to rise up and crush this great evil, we live in Delve. Head for Khanid, keep going south through A2-V27 and turn right at 7GCD-P. Plz turn left ffs I am sooo bored
DANGEROUS	Posted - 2006.04.04 12:12:00 - [59] Edited by: DANGEROUS on 04/04/2006 12:12:44 The author of this post speaks the sad and undeniable truth. I think BoB know that which is why they have deployed their forum blob campaign to post as much as they can denying the truth of the situation. Lets analyse G/Iron enemies and why they are such foe. 1) bob - oppressors of the north from long before G/Iron were formed. - raided Ju and frankly teh sworn life long enemies of G/IRON 2) Ascn - i dont think the hobbits were really deemed a huge target until the debacle of the southern war against SA when ascn behaved improperly on the forums and in space. Thoroughly deserving the reaction of the G/Iron forces to take one of their outposts and conquerable stations. 3) F-E, who were desperate for assistance when the 5 attacked with 18 capital ships. For the general populus to understand why FE became hostiles of G/Iron they first must appreciate what happened at teh end of 2005 between Bob and Iron. the servers were terrible, bob probably as agreed with ascn who were in serious trouble in the south, relieved the pressure by attacking Ju in deklain. Iron forces were caught somewhat with their trousers down and many people were stuck in the south mainly due to server problems. Bob were ousted from ju but at a price that maybe isnt publicly known. Iron was in terrible financial difficulty at that exact moment and were ill prepared for capital engamgents, thus the recovery was slower than desired. So to the FE point, - FE were BEGGING for help from G/Iron, HELP HELP 18 dreads - what can we do??? An agreement was reached that if the VAST resources of FE could be deployed to merely HOLD 5 then G/IRon would come and help tip the balance and rid eve of the 5 rotters - BUT - FE had NEVER been to helpful to G/IRON and therefore they were told they HAD to STAND as we were not going to come in and do the work for them!!! - - what can i say - 3 days later - and only 4 days from when we had agreed G/Iron forces would deploy to assist - out of the blue FE capitulated to 5. Proving that they were unworthy of any recognition as a true military force or moral strength. 4) - Alliances / corps left - i will refer to as 'other'. Over the long history of G/Iron ofcourse there have been some small and large conflicts, mostly in the name of 'fun' where one would attack the other - a realtively small battle would ensue and shortly after that peace would return. Most of the 'other' alliances are today an irrelavance as they are mere bob minions. Why are they minions u may ask? - the answer is simple - they arae terrified of particularly BoB and therefore they are unable to think for themselves. If u cant think for urself and out of fear of ur 'friend' u determine ur NON local allaince standings then u are a minion. Finally - Lets be TOTALLY clear - bob pursue UTTER domination of eve through politcal, military and economic pressure. ASCN (imo) are possibly teh most successful economic force in eve, but apart from a small regular group in torrinos (the ecky gang) they are sub standard pvpers. FE - i personally think that if u are an empire carebear wanting to move to 0.0 u become a dek resident - (AND LETS HIGHLIGHT THAT IRON SUPPORT ALL NEUTRALS IN PURE BLIND and APPROVED people enmass in dek - UNLIKE ANYOTHER ALLIANCE) OR u go to FE. Never before i have i had such disgust for an alliance as FE. They talk teh talk but they NEVER walk the walk!! - 'Other' - happy to plod along - doenst envolve them - why should it bother them - well soon it WILL.
DANGEROUS	Posted - 2006.04.04 12:24:00 - [60] as a - 6 months down the line analysis - i cannot stress enough i hope for one of 2 results. IF Bob and their minions (FE, ASCN, 5 etc) continue to deploy 1000 man fleets (with CCP support with increaded node support - something NEVER granted to the G/Iron forces in the south) then lets be frank - the liklyhood is that G and Iron will lose their space. - maybe their spirit will be broken maybe it wont. so in a few weeks / months either G/Iron survive and struggle HARD to recurit enough members to aggress bob in delve OR - weither they deploy to safer space (empire) or die Bob and their minions basically own ALL of 0.0. - AND THEY ARE ALL NAPPED - - ROFL ROFL LMFAO - - in many ways i look forward to taht being the result - as they WILL implode - JUST like CA did when they owned basically all of eve - - i mean lets be logical - teh bob master plan demands total domination. - what ARE all those pvpers gonna do when / if bob achieve their goal?? Will they become miners? mission *****s? - - or as i suspect will tehy turn on each other - - lets say bob, ascn,FE and the 5 are left. - as we have seen with atuk - the 5 are just a brother of bob and FE can be walked over in 3 days - so - GOOD luck ascn - - ROFL - -maybe we will fight along side each other one day after all !!!!

pershphanie	Posted - 2006.04.04 13:06:00 - [61] Originally by: DANGEROUS the 5 are just a brother of bob and FE can be walked over in 3 days Then come walk all over us you crying little *****. I'm sick of hearing that crap. Bring it on. WTF has fate ever done to make them so special where they can constantly talk crap about everyone? FE has done nothing but fight war after war. We are still here standings strong. FATE has never done anything. You are nothing. I look foward to your masters losing their space and crying at us from jita.
Malachon Draco	Posted - 2006.04.04 13:19:00 - [62] Originally by: DANGEROUS as a - 6 months down the line analysis - i cannot stress enough i hope for one of 2 results. IF Bob and their minions (FE, ASCN, 5 etc) continue to deploy 1000 man fleets (with CCP support with increaded node support - something NEVER granted to the G/Iron forces in the south) then lets be frank - the liklyhood is that G and Iron will lose their space. - maybe their spirit will be broken maybe it wont. so in a few weeks / months either G/Iron survive and struggle HARD to recurit enough members to aggress bob in delve OR - weither they deploy to safer space (empire) or die Bob and their minions basically own ALL of 0.0. - AND THEY ARE ALL NAPPED - - ROFL ROFL LMFAO - - in many ways i look forward to taht being the result - as they WILL implode - JUST like CA did when they owned basically all of eve - - i mean lets be logical - teh bob master plan demands total domination. - what ARE all those pvpers gonna do when / if bob achieve their goal?? Will they become miners? mission *****s? - - or as i suspect will tehy turn on each other - - lets say bob, ascn,FE and the 5 are left. - as we have seen with atuk - the 5 are just a brother of bob and FE can be walked over in 3 days - so - GOOD luck ascn - - ROFL - -maybe we will fight along side each other one day after all !!!! Heh, why so defeatist? Did G/IRON really lose that much in EC-? I thought TRUST was an independent alliance . And I wouldn't assume that taking over the core regions of G/IRON is as easy (relatively speaking of course) as taking EC-. This campaign so far may be unprecedented in its numbers and the length of time a single system is effectively blocked. But I would think that taking down IRON and G will take a hell of a lot longer, and would require several weeks, if not months of operating inside G/IRON space, where they do have better supplylines and its not gonna be possible to block off system after system with the numbers seen in EC-. I'm just a lowly grunt, so I don't know anything about any future operations (or even whether there will be any), but even if the campaign continues after taking down the POS in EC-, I am pretty sure it would get a lot harder if we were to advance on G/IRON space.
DANGEROUS	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:00:00 - [63] FATE are FATE ))) we kill ALOT - we lose some - we earn approx 2 isk off loot for every 1 isk lost on ships. we have a kill ratio of 5.3 to 1 and when we stand we FIGHT. as far as - dont be so defeatist - i am not - realistically speaking i defy any alliance ingame to defeat a 1000 man fleet inc about 30 capitals at one time moreover retaining a 100 man presence in ec 24/7 for nearly 3 days. This 'joining of forces' on such a scale is unprecendented in eve and changes the way 0.0 exists. Could G/Iron stand up to a 1000 man blob? - could ANYONE - even bob themselves if the roles were reversed? - HIGHLY unlikely at best. Bob are without doubt impressive, they certainly taught me alot when flying against them in JU - they have a dedicated core of pvpers, industrrialists and forum w-h-o-r-e-s. As impressive as they are, they chose not to fight G and Iron on their own. If they had FULLY deployed themselves we would all be having a jolly good fight in or around cloud ring or delve. But this isnt that - with the numbers that the hobbits can bring amassed with the high SP chars of 5 and bob i cant see any alliance that wont 'capitulate' standing alone for long. -
Drunk Driver	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:31:00 - [64] Bob is going to eat us! FLEE! FLEE NOW!!!!
Malachon Draco	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:33:00 - [65] Originally by: DANGEROUS FATE are FATE ))) we kill ALOT - we lose some - we earn approx 2 isk off loot for every 1 isk lost on ships. we have a kill ratio of 5.3 to 1 and when we stand we FIGHT. as far as - dont be so defeatist - i am not - realistically speaking i defy any alliance ingame to defeat a 1000 man fleet inc about 30 capitals at one time moreover retaining a 100 man presence in ec 24/7 for nearly 3 days. This 'joining of forces' on such a scale is unprecendented in eve and changes the way 0.0 exists. Could G/Iron stand up to a 1000 man blob? - could ANYONE - even bob themselves if the roles were reversed? - HIGHLY unlikely at best. Bob are without doubt impressive, they certainly taught me alot when flying against them in JU - they have a dedicated core of pvpers, industrrialists and forum w-h-o-r-e-s. As impressive as they are, they chose not to fight G and Iron on their own. If they had FULLY deployed themselves we would all be having a jolly good fight in or around cloud ring or delve. But this isnt that - with the numbers that the hobbits can bring amassed with the high SP chars of 5 and bob i cant see any alliance that wont 'capitulate' standing alone for long. - I think you are fighting an imaginary opponent. True, you probably can't defeat a 1000 man blob. But the 1000 man blob doesn't exist, never has existed, and probably will not exist for the foreseeable future. BoB/ASNC/5/FE and whoever else were there managed a 600 man fleet at the start of the operation, and a continuous 100-400 man presence in EC- over 5 days now. Quite impressive IMO and I feel honored to have been a part of it, however small my contribution was. But that is still a long way from a 1000 man blob, way up in G/IRON space, and persistent enough to take down those two alliances if they wanna fight it out to the end. What lies in the future, I have no idea. But conjuring up images of 1000 man blobs sitting in G space for weeks, based on what you've seen in EC over the past 5 days is a bit too gloomy I think (gloomy from your perspective of course )
FotoFlame	Posted - 2006.04.04 17:49:00 - [66] Edited by: FotoFlame on 04/04/2006 17:49:40 Originally by: pershphanie Then come walk all over us you crying little *****. I'm sick of hearing that crap. Bring it on. WTF has fate ever done to make them so special where they can constantly talk crap about everyone? FE has done nothing but fight war after war. We are still here standings strong. FATE has never done anything. You are nothing. fate have displayed more balls in the last month than your entire alliance - if you hadn't of napped with 5 then you'd be begging for their help around about now so show some respect. ~Foto
amnon1989	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:16:00 - [67] hobbits? BOB minions? ASCN is the biggest alliance there is in eve. i cant say if we are the best. no one can say he is the best. but G/IRON are not the best. they are not the "good guys". G/IRON are the bad guys. they dont try to bring freedom, they take it. i think that we cant take out G/IRON. not now. you see, in eve, you cant REALY loos. G/IRON can be destroyed but it will take a long time. has anyone ever thougt that maybe 1 day there will be peace between G/IRON/V/ASCN/BOB and the rest? or at least there wont be hostility. and btw there will allways be an enemy. there will be new alliances, and no-one will rule eve compleatly.
DANGEROUS	Posted - 2006.04.04 22:42:00 - [68] Originally by: amnon1989 Edited by: amnon1989 on 04/04/2006 22:08:05 hobbits? BOB minions? ASCN is the biggest alliance there is in eve. i cant say if we are the best. no one can say he is the best. but G/IRON are not the best. they are not the "good guys". G/IRON are the bad guys. they dont try to bring freedom, they take it. i think that we cant take out G/IRON. not now. you see, in eve, you cant REALY loos. G/IRON can be destroyed but it will take a long time. and btw there will allways be an enemy. there will be new alliances, and no-one will rule eve compleatly. having just read the recruitment section of forums (where we offer good pvpers the chance to join a strong corp - namely fate) i read the Eve Defence force post have a read - its VERY interesting - they have a place for ALL pilots - be it miners, pvpers, Rand D people - all types - - and THEY control EVERYTHING!! Now that is NOT a free environment - it is controlled - allows for little freedomw of thought and makes sure u 'pay' or contribtute for all. ASCN ARE imo an impresive alliance - but lets not kid ourselves that they have anything but the directorships best interestes at heart - and not their members or their territories.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.04.04 23:47:00 - [69] hmm, why did u let this dangerous guy into fate? anyways, just lookin at the alliance map doesnt tell u whos where and what, theres engh to fight and will always be, but also dont forget the upcommin alliance warfare, bob will travel thorugh empire burnin and lootin, arr cant wait ;) - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Gypsy Djinn	Posted - 2006.04.05 03:09:00 - [70] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: DANGEROUS the 5 are just a brother of bob and FE can be walked over in 3 days Then come walk all over us you crying little *****. I'm sick of hearing that crap. Bring it on. WTF has fate ever done to make them so special where they can constantly talk crap about everyone? FE has done nothing but fight war after war. We are still here standings strong. FATE has never done anything. You are nothing. I look foward to your masters losing their space and crying at us from jita. You probably should have considered your capacity for hearing the hard truth before your alliance decided to live the rest of its days in disgrace by seeking the easy, self preserving path and simply laying down for your enemies to have their way with you. I think what he was trying to say is that if you hadn't broken out the knee pads and made nice with 5 you would have been destroyed long ago and rightfully so. The question you should be asking shouldn't be "what has fate every done to make them so special", it should be what has your alliance every done to not be called to the carpet every time one of your recreant pilots make a public comment. Just for clarification bending over and getting rode to save yourself isn't chivalrous its cowardice... and thats why people talk "crap" as you put it. No matter how much you try and rant, rave, threaten and grandstand nothing will change the fact that when the chips were down your group choose the cowards route. There is no sense in getting upset about it now whats done is done and can never be undone. The 5 and BOB are hated, but mostly its a hate of respect because they are strong and formidable, people who buckle and spread for them are hated for the exact opposite because they are unworthy of respect, weak and languid. If given to an honest reply even the most hardened hater of The 5 and/or BoB would say they have more disdain for the likes of groups who fold under to them, because in the end even if you do hate them at least you can respect them for what they are and can do, but the latter is strictly worthless. People are made strong by the difficulties they face not by those they evade. That's a valiant flea that dares eat his breakfast on the lip of a lion. - William Shakespeare (1564-1616)

pershphanie	Posted - 2006.04.05 05:06:00 - [71] We didnt bend over for anyone. If you disagree I'd like to know what FE did to be considered bending over. The5 didnt ** us. Theyve been nothing but helpfull and great allies. We just turned our guns on our real enemies, the alliances who were using us as meatshields under the false pretences of friendship. If you ask anyone in FE theyll tell you it was the best decision we ever made. We gave up nothing and gained everything. The 5 never asked us for anything. They earned our respect and friendship. Thats far more than I can say for any of you losers who pretended to be friends but were really only interested in manipulating us to serve your self centered purposes. Sacrificing our alliance for an unjust cause that we did not believe in for people we dont like would not have made us heroic, it would have made us stupid. Continue to be bitter towards FE for refusing to be your meatshields if you like, but that doesnt change anything. Go ahead and continue to prance around like you are morally superior to everyone else. But it is clear as daylight to eneryone in eve that your random hatred for bob/the5 does not make you morally superior. Your obidence to your masters (g/iron) does not make you vallent. Hatred of bob/5 is not a virtue. Quick walking around like your ** smells like roses. If you cant do that then come to tribute, we welcome the fight.
Qayos	Posted - 2006.04.05 06:50:00 - [72] Edited by: Qayos on 05/04/2006 06:52:16 Originally by: DANGEROUS having just read the recruitment section of forums (where we offer good pvpers the chance to join a strong corp - namely fate) i read the Eve Defence force post have a read - its VERY interesting - they have a place for ALL pilots - be it miners, pvpers, Rand D people - all types - - and THEY control EVERYTHING!! Now that is NOT a free environment - it is controlled - allows for little freedomw of thought and makes sure u 'pay' or contribtute for all. ASCN ARE imo an impresive alliance - but lets not kid ourselves that they have anything but the directorships best interestes at heart - and not their members or their territories. I'm not sure what your point is here. Does FATE allow people to join and simply not contribute to FATE at all? I believe being part of a corporation means contributing to that corporation to benefit the corporation which in turn benefits you and lets you be a part of something greater than yourself. Never has EDF forced someone to join EDF. We are a military organization which has wings which cover many aspects, and allows its members to choose the area that best suits them. I fail to see how this is a bad thing. We are also always open to new ideas and suggestions from all members, how is this oppression of thought? As for ASCN, I'm not sure where you get your conclusions from. I see no evidence to support your claims, just empty statements of bias. Which is fine, you are free to your opinion I suppose, but if you want to convince others, I suggest evidence or a supporting argument rather than than hollow assertions. As for freedom in the galaxy. What is freedom? What is lack of freedom? Is paying taxes a lack of freedom? Is asking that a member of a military organization to follow an order oppression? I think that pretty much any corporation you join, north or south, will limit your freedoms to some degree, but that is part of the deal you make when you join something larger than yourself. The only truely free people in eve are the loners. So is that the only 'right' way to be? Everyone alone? Or is this topic about people taking away freedoms from those outside their corp/alliance? If the latter, I'm sure it can be argued for a long time, with the views biased by individual encounters with each entity in question. I dont like GIRON, and I hope to see them lay in ashes for what they did to ASCN, but I think most of these "you dont allow freedom, no YOU dont allow freedom, NO YOU dont allow freedom" arguments are silly and lack much substance from either side.
Reprisa	Posted - 2006.04.05 09:41:00 - [73] MY isk is on G/IRON/Razor. BoB may be an invading force. Powerful and numerous. but everyone seems to forget....We're on our home turf fighting for our homes. Dont forget that. ~~~Famous for no particular Reason~~~
Crean NaVar	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:30:00 - [74] Originally by: pershphanie We are still here standings strong. Wrong. You are not. FE is as weak as before, you are just hiding behind a different back now. We asked you to stand strong and fight ATUK on your hometurf for 1 or 2 weeks. Basically we wanted to see if your alliance has the inner strenght to take on such a challenge, to grow as a group and to evolve as a PvP force. G/IRON/RZR would have been there to fight with you, when you would have shown this strenght. But you, pershphanie, chose the easy way out. You sold the pride and honor of a whole alliance to buy some time. And when this time is running out and your new masters get bored of you, FE will crumble and fall. Because you still won¦t have the backbone to stand alone.
pershphanie	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:52:00 - [75] Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: pershphanie We are still here standings strong. Wrong. You are not. FE is as weak as before, you are just hiding behind a different back now. We asked you to stand strong and fight ATUK on your hometurf for 1 or 2 weeks. Basically we wanted to see if your alliance has the inner strenght to take on such a challenge, to grow as a group and to evolve as a PvP force. G/IRON/RZR would have been there to fight with you, when you would have shown this strenght. But you, pershphanie, chose the easy way out. You sold the pride and honor of a whole alliance to buy some time. And when this time is running out and your new masters get bored of you, FE will crumble and fall. Because you still won¦t have the backbone to stand alone. What is this stuff about how we couldnt last a week against the5. As far as I remember we had quite a long war against the5 and put up quite a fight. Then we ask G if they can assist us and they start talking down to us calling us weak and suggesting that perhaps we dont deserve to survive. (for the record i am not speaking of woodlouse, he was very cool about everything) You guys ever consider that after talking to us like that perhaps we dont want to be your friend anymore? Thats not how friends speak with each other. It was at that moment in time that I decided I was definatly on the wrong side of the fence. Strategicly it was stupid to behave that way towards us. Now you have enemies surrounding you from all sides. This is exactly what I said would happen. But instead of listening to me g/iron chose to belittle FE and act arrogent. You reap what you sow. Enjoy being uber.
Cowboy Ramrott	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:46:00 - [76] Me hears so many phrases about Freedom in EvE , thats so ridiculous Who can name itself a PvP 'er when he cries for freedom ? We dont want freedom , we want fights , PvP. Maybe u feel fine while mining the **** out of each belt with all ur alts. Maybe u feel fine while hugging the Gates with >400 peeps, avoiding all fights. Cuz only an Idiot would jump in >20 med bubbels. maybe u remember the good old days and the best 40 vs 40 fights or 20 intys vs 20 intys fights. thats what we r playing and living for , the great PvP spirit. We contemplate EvE a bit like a sportsgame. U win , u loose. And all that counts is the fighting spirit of ur group, of ur team. Dont be an idiot by thinking there will be a worldwide peace in EvE. U cant break the Spirit of us and there is no absolute death in EvE , so we will still be there. Lets get it on ....
pershphanie	Posted - 2006.04.05 12:29:00 - [77] Originally by: Cowboy Ramrott Me hears so many phrases about Freedom in EvE , thats so ridiculous Who can name itself a PvP 'er when he cries for freedom ? We dont want freedom , we want fights , PvP. Maybe u feel fine while mining the **** out of each belt with all ur alts. Maybe u feel fine while hugging the Gates with >400 peeps, avoiding all fights. Cuz only an Idiot would jump in >20 med bubbels. maybe u remember the good old days and the best 40 vs 40 fights or 20 intys vs 20 intys fights. thats what we r playing and living for , the great PvP spirit. We contemplate EvE a bit like a sportsgame. U win , u loose. And all that counts is the fighting spirit of ur group, of ur team. Dont be an idiot by thinking there will be a worldwide peace in EvE. U cant break the Spirit of us and there is no absolute death in EvE , so we will still be there. Lets get it on .... quality stuff right there. nice post.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.04.05 15:17:00 - [78] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 05/04/2006 15:17:12 "Me hears so many phrases about Freedom in EvE , thats so ridiculous Who can name itself a PvP 'er when he cries for freedom ? We dont want freedom , we want fights , PvP. Maybe u feel fine while mining the **** out of each belt with all ur alts. Maybe u feel fine while hugging the Gates with >400 peeps, avoiding all fights. Cuz only an Idiot would jump in >20 med bubbels. maybe u remember the good old days and the best 40 vs 40 fights or 20 intys vs 20 intys fights. thats what we r playing and living for , the great PvP spirit. We contemplate EvE a bit like a sportsgame. U win , u loose. And all that counts is the fighting spirit of ur group, of ur team. Dont be an idiot by thinking there will be a worldwide peace in EvE. U cant break the Spirit of us and there is no absolute death in EvE , so we will still be there. Lets get it on ...." u know its kinda funny to read such an post from an G member, uve done equal stuff, just with less numbers overall but it was the same in case of lag. i think ill just quote one of ur pilots: we dont play to entertain you ;) - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.04.05 15:26:00 - [79] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 05/04/2006 15:26:21 lemme get this straight: u cant accuse se for somethin u have lived after for such a long time, uve been known for playing it 110% safe. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.05 15:29:00 - [80] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 05/04/2006 15:29:47 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 05/04/2006 15:26:21 lemme get this straight: u cant accuse se for somethin u have lived after for such a long time, uve been known for playing it 110% safe. Rexthor G has changed ALOT, but if u still believe that And its a whole lot different situation here, allowing the enemy to even get remotely a chance of engaging or simply blockade him... -------------------------------- Darkness and humanity.

madhapee	Posted - 2006.04.05 17:08:00 - [81] Edited by: madhapee on 05/04/2006 17:11:49 removed Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Elseix	Posted - 2006.04.05 18:03:00 - [82] Forgive my ignorance but how can any alliance that follows a NBSI policy be a better friend of freedom then another NBSI alliance? Some alliances keep a tight strangle on their space others are more lax, some control more space then others, some seek to constantly influence the policy and population of their surroundings some are happy to ignore anything going on outside their borders. But in the end of it all, almost every territorry holding alliance, and certainly the two sides of this conflict, are all "enemies of freedom" by any understanding I can gain of the phrase. Rightfully so of course, to control space alliances must restrict access, no alliance has the membership size or will to police an entire region around the clock. Innocent until proven guilty can not be applied to 0.0 space, to think otherwise is to live in a fairytale world where the multitudes of pirates do not exist. To bring peace to a region they must have confidence in the stability of their neighbors. Oh and one quick question from somebody looking in and getting all the information from the forums (which means 90% of what I think is happening really isn't) will BoB even be able to expand their holdings if G/IRON are defeated? Sure they may install friendly alliances/corps but I didn't think they have the manpower (even with the addition of DICE) to takeover such a large swath of space in the north. So I dont see this as the harbinger of BoB universal domination.
R'adeh	Posted - 2006.04.06 11:22:00 - [83] Originally by: DANGEROUS 2) Ascn - i dont think the hobbits were really deemed a huge target until the debacle of the southern war against SA when ascn behaved improperly on the forums and in space. Thoroughly deserving the reaction of the G/Iron forces to take one of their outposts and conquerable stations. 1. G/Iron attacked us AFTER we set them to blue. Fact is, you don't like us, we don't like you...let's leave it like that. 2. It took you over a month to take that outpost, and history shows you weren't even able to keep it for an extended period of time. 3. About that node thing, CCP did infact make the AZN node stronger once they realized that it turned into the Jita of the South. 4. As it stands now, G/Iron made some stupid politcial decisions, and now pay the price... Whatever, I just hope I won't see ANY bubbles in the near future. To the OP about BoB threatening freedom in EVE: I don't agree. They play the game to have fun their way, which is their and everyone else's right. Don't like it, give 'em more targets. www.eve-files.com/media/0602/RadehFinal.jpg[/IMG][/center] "blah blah, we killed you, blah blah, they killed us, blah blah, some more smack blah blah, killboard..." Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Iberi	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:08:00 - [84] Yes, BoB is evil.
Harisdrop	Posted - 2006.04.06 18:10:00 - [85] Who are the bad guys and who are the good guys? I sense anger. Why cant we all mine veld and be happy. What is important is that to play in 0.0 you must bind your weapons on and afight for what you want. If you call in the cards and they dont fall your way you can always try another hand. In EvE nothing is over until I say its over. Besides I dont exist -------------------------- After being cloned over forty times I found that my looks get better and better. I am no one but a mouse in a house of cats.
Elvish Presley	Posted - 2006.04.09 22:30:00 - [86] Long waffly threads 4tw Praise from caesar there. Nice to see someone even more long winded than myself. Little less conversation.... Love Elvish
Lirt	Posted - 2006.04.10 08:00:00 - [87] Edited by: Lirt on 10/04/2006 08:01:27 Edited by: Lirt on 10/04/2006 08:00:51 Many posts in this thread are nothing else than grief playing, especially when this comes from players that play EVE a long time now not some trial alts. Arrogance is the king of this topic and im really sad cause i thought EVE had mature players not little omgiwtfpwnyou kiddies. And some call WOW community bad...
Dejay	Posted - 2006.04.15 17:48:00 - [88] BOB alliance is bunch of pirates under "to keep the order" as excuse to robbery, assassinations and piracy acts. Viva La Revolucion! Liberty, Equality, Fraternity ----- Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.15 21:35:00 - [89] Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 10/04/2006 08:01:27 Edited by: Lirt on 10/04/2006 08:00:51 Many posts in this thread are nothing else than grief playing, especially when this comes from players that play EVE a long time now not some trial alts. Arrogance is the king of this topic and im really sad cause i thought EVE had mature players not little omgiwtfpwnyou kiddies. And some call WOW community bad... infact the WOW community is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than the EVE community. seriously, u will encounter szch behaviour in every mmorpg. but given the fact that EVE is the PVP-heaviest of all existing MMORPGS out there i think its still a good community. --------------------------------
Assassin 2	Posted - 2006.04.15 22:56:00 - [90] correction 5 and F-E no longer exsist in the north anymore :S or merely a shadow of their former selves.

LeMoose	Posted - 2006.04.17 18:10:00 - [91] Originally by: Aloysius Knight We Are the BoB, Your Top PvP'er Will Be Added to The Collective And All who resist will be Killed, resistance is.....futile HEY! damnit, thats our line!
General Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.04.18 06:24:00 - [92] Originally by: Deathwing Edited by: Deathwing on 01/04/2006 20:37:42 Ignorant fool Do you really believe that this call to arms to unite against the most powerful war machine in eve is going to do you any good? The only thing your rallying a united force against us will do will be to take a bunch of small targets that would take time and effort to remove from existance, and turn it into one big target which we can simply call in the heavy hitters for and roll over. I believe you are not viewing the big picture here. If you were, you would already see that it is to late for "the free people of eve". BoB's war machine is pumping out capital ships like the Gallente pop out cheap holoreels. We are home to many of the best and brightest pilots in eve who have waged and been involved in the biggest wars in the galaxy. Our commanders view their battlefields and make their strategies with such grace and efficiancy that you would think they had already seen the end of the war and everything between then and now was a mere technicality. This call to arms is pointless, you might as well just lay down on the floor with paper bags on your heads chanting "there's no place like home" and call it a day. BoB is comming And there is nothing you can do about it So this is the doomsday ? BoB is pumping dreads like there's no tomorow ? One solution remaining : The Doomsday Device . The first aliancae or coalition whic has 3 doomsday devices on their ships will win the war and the universe of EVE . End of the line
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.18 10:30:00 - [93] Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: Deathwing Edited by: Deathwing on 01/04/2006 20:37:42 Ignorant fool Do you really believe that this call to arms to unite against the most powerful war machine in eve is going to do you any good? The only thing your rallying a united force against us will do will be to take a bunch of small targets that would take time and effort to remove from existance, and turn it into one big target which we can simply call in the heavy hitters for and roll over. I believe you are not viewing the big picture here. If you were, you would already see that it is to late for "the free people of eve". BoB's war machine is pumping out capital ships like the Gallente pop out cheap holoreels. We are home to many of the best and brightest pilots in eve who have waged and been involved in the biggest wars in the galaxy. Our commanders view their battlefields and make their strategies with such grace and efficiancy that you would think they had already seen the end of the war and everything between then and now was a mere technicality. This call to arms is pointless, you might as well just lay down on the floor with paper bags on your heads chanting "there's no place like home" and call it a day. BoB is comming And there is nothing you can do about it So this is the doomsday ? BoB is pumping dreads like there's no tomorow ? One solution remaining : The Doomsday Device . The first aliancae or coalition whic has 3 doomsday devices on their ships will win the war and the universe of EVE . End of the line The Doomsday Device is a simple tool, nothing more, it takes strong leadership, skilled pilots to follow such leadership, the logistics to back the goals of the leadership and support the pilots that follow to be able to put the Doomsday Device into use. signature removed - please email us if you want to know why - Oldmailman([email protected])


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