cnr + domi :)

I would slightly adjust it

Rattlesnake and CNR

Rattler with its nuts passive tank is a no problem tank and provides support with sentries

I've been asking myself the same question recently, I have a 12 day old pilot who flies a noctis and in all honesty, i cant think of a better ship for him to fly to reduce mission times since 70% of the cash comes from loot and salvage now.

I used a tengu + paladin combination, but the level of micro managing seems a little much. Its that both tengu and paladin kills stuff so fast that i need to keep alt-tabbing every few secs.

Also i used t2 ammo in tengu and so i was volley counting too.. And that was dangerous with both ships being expensive since none of them can perm tank

I am guessing i should switch to tengu + domi combo but it seems very hard to let go of my paladin after putting so much sp and training time and iso into getting one in the first place.. :(

Edit: I mission in amarr space.

yup it's hard to be 100% efficient but it still reduces time, especially when the mission has too many BS rats.

really? you're doing it wrong them.
tengu perma-runs 1 t2 invul, 1 sansha em hardener, RF ab and pithi b-type small booster just fine. and you don't have to use any cap mods for that. this is enough tank for me... no need to switch hardeners too.
that or you have to seriously work on your skills.

> and it doesn't take much to pop a webbed tengu. I almost lost one in WC second room once.

in case you didn't know, fury mussiles increase your sig radius which increases the damage you take from BS and cruiser rats. so avoid using them when the tank is an issue. also furies work bad when you need to get rid of the 'elite' NPC frigs.

try switching to CN missiles (or precisions but they have worse dps, still can be better on close range targets if you have low skills) when you warp in. get rid of the webber frigs right away and you won't ever get webbed.

the notable exception to this rule is silence the informant second room. ignore the frigs, kill the attacking cruisers first - that will remove all the dps and then you can take care of the wingmans and spider drones.

> I guess people would have run into the same problem. Any solutions for that?

well in my opinion, t2 BS are overrated, they don't add anything worth their price and training time. so you can usually get the same dps from t1 BS.
of course if you've already maxed paladin there is nothing you can do, since t1 BS are awfully inefficient in energy weapons cap... still you may try to make a ftting that is devoted to cap generation for guns and minimalistic tank. with minmatar BS you'd not have such problem since projectiles don't need cap and t1 maelstrom is ok for dps purposes.

to avoid tanking with BS, you have to aggro everyting with the tengu and then warp in the BS. if there are multiple spawns - activate them all (and aggro) with the tengu while taking care of the frigs, then warp in the BS and take care of everything else.

also don't just sit tengu in one place -- instead, orbit some object at 10km (if it's a jettisoned junk) at maximum speed with AB on. this and the low sig radius makes tengu the best tanker out there, save for the multi billion deadspace fits.

> The paladin char has excellent drone skills on the paladin char. Tengu char has good missile skills but not much else.

here is your problem. tengu with bad shield tanking skills is a waste of isk. also you have to get missile skills up to be able to remove tackling quickly enough.

concentrate on shield and HM skills for the following 6 months or so and then return to the tengu...


yup, lasers are not good for gank AND tank... maybe try to respec to projectile weapons. if you have good gunnery support skills, it should not take too much time to train projectiles and minmatar BS, or even use apoc but I don't know if it's any better than minmatar hulls with projectiles.

P.S. what a wondrous new forums! can't even quote properly.

If you dual monitors do you need to run windowed to get one on each monitor?

Fixed Fullscreen mode, and select the appropriate monitor in the dropdown list.

I used a tengu + paladin combination, but the level of micro managing seems a little much. Its that both tengu and paladin kills stuff so fast that i need to keep alt-tabbing every few secs. Also i used t2 ammo in tengu and so i was volley counting too.. And that was dangerous with both ships being expensive since none of them can perm tank and it doesn't take much to pop a webbed tengu. I almost lost one in WC second room once.

I guess people would have run into the same problem. Any solutions for that?

The paladin char has excellent drone skills on the paladin char. Tengu char has good missile skills but not much else. I am guessing i should switch to tengu + domi combo but it seems very hard to let go of my paladin after putting so much sp and training time and iso into getting one in the first place.. :(

Edit: I mission in amarr space.

This is why I my tengu is fit with a large shield booster and is cap stable. It still has 6 launchers and 3 x CN BCS's, so dps is not that gimped. I don't have to micro manage it can permanently tank all rooms, if no neuting. I just switch over to change targets. I play on a single screen in window mode, and put the selected object on the bottom right, so I can see when it is done. I use standard heavy for everything except BS. My alt is in a NM so focus on the NM which is gank fit.

What booster?

Major benefit is T1 hulls = no real loss if ganked. Between standard payouts and LPs, I can replace the entire mess every 4 or 5 missions if I get that unlucky.

One laptop, 3 characters.

First is the Boss in her Command ship, running 2 links, Shield harmonizing and Armor Passive Defence. She has maxed out leadership skills, 14 of 14, 15,872,000 skillpoints, and maxed out social skills, 9 of 10 skills for 5,120,000 skillpoints. ( damned missing DED book! )

This lets her push insane resist bonuses to the 2 missioners. She orbits a station or gate in the target system if high-sec, and if lo, she scoots along in a general line to a safe spot with her ab running in case of unwanted probers.

She also pulls the missions for maximum payout.

Once mission is launched and she is in place, that window is minimized for the duration unless in lo sec, then I watch local count for increase.


Tank and damage dealer one is Domi drone whoremaster. He has perfect armor tanking and maxed out ( yes even capital ) drone skills. With the bonuses from the Boss, his exp resists, for example, are 92, with the others slightly less. Drone and targeting mods and other general bonuses yield targeting beyond 120k, and he stocks a full compliment of all 4 drone sizes.


Damage dealer 2 is Raven with maxed out ( yes, even capital ) missile skills. He wanders around the room out of reach at stupid orbits of 200k spamming cruise missiles all over the place.

3 very cheap ships with nothing more than T2 modules, breeze through any mission and most non-capital exploration sites.

Major benefit is T1 hulls = no real loss if ganked. Between standard payouts and LPs, I can replace the entire mess every 4 or 5 missions if I get that unlucky.

Now, if only there was a "guard xxx" command for the cruise missile spamming raven like there is for the drones............

:P