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Richard Shaw III
Kings of Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:26:00 -
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I know they were once allowed in high sec and there were some problems.
That said I would love to see the topic revisited as they have became a more common ship for use in EVE then they had been years ago. I assume empire mission gates are locked to keep cap ships out but even if they are not I am sure that would be a simple undertaking to change that. I would love to see this given some discussion at the very least.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2677
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:52:00 -
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How are they going to move around high-sec? They can't use gates or cynos. Oh god. |
Richard Shaw III
Kings of Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:02:00 -
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I am not a capital pilot but I thought non supers could use gates. That said it would not be too much for CCP to add that ability to the gates to allow if this was something they were willing to consider. I just think it could be cool to see capitals in all of EVE, not just low and null. |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us Bask of Fail
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:33:00 -
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Well on the note of cynos it would take nothign for CCP to readd that functionality to high sec systems. Heck technically they DO still work, its just the empires and Concord have all the systems locked by cynojammers at all times.
Also no, they pulled capitals out of highsec for a reason, they want to keep the endgame superships out of harassing the noobs, and rookie corps trying to do things in HS (though theres several megacorps who live just fine in HS) Think of it this way. Some noob corp with 20 people in it all under a year old pools their money and buys themselves a POS tower and they set it up. Right now, they stand a chance defending it if they get wardecced because it simply takes a long time to shoot POSes with subcap.
If they let caps back in, big corps could just roll around deccing the little guys, blowing up their POSes with dreads that the little guys can't hope to match, just for the fun of it.
Yeah... no.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:38:00 -
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Just a friendly word of advice OP... try using a capital before your propose something like this. Or just crunch some numbers in EFT. And then remember that people organizations the New Order and Marmites (along with other war dec corps) exist.
It'll quickly become apparent why capitals were banned from high-sec. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Richard Shaw III
Kings of Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:45:00 -
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Fair enough that you guys fear their return I only see that things have changed. They are not the rare beast they were and thus I wished to see what people had to say about such. As I had stated, I want to see what people thing about them, nothing more. It is all about the idea part of the section here. |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us Bask of Fail
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:56:00 -
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Richard Shaw III wrote:Fair enough that you guys fear their return I only see that things have changed. They are not the rare beast they were and thus I wished to see what people had to say about such. As I had stated, I want to see what people thing about them, nothing more. It is all about the idea part of the section here.
I do not fear their return, because to me and my dastardly carebearing ways, they can't possibly be a threat. (actually my threat are the roving gangs of tornadoes who shoot first, check to see whether I had any decent mods later, I just wish I could add the suicide bombers to my killboard. Yall need to learn, golems have more EHP than CNRs you need another couple nadoes to alpha 1 down before concordokken).
I fear their effect on the newbies, nothing more. Because to me, survival in the game shouldn't be a synonym to getting absorbed by a larger group and becoming nothing more than a number.
On a separate note. Since their inception, (or maybe about 2 months after their inception) Dreads and Carriers have never been a "rare beast" Titans yes, it took them a while to show up, and they were never intended to be anywhere near as common as they are now... or should I say, used to be. (I know theres still tons, but man, 70 someodd of them downed in 1 battle)
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Nykala
L.L.A.M.A.
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Posted - 2014.02.02 18:27:00 -
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I'd only be semi-ok with capitals being allowed back in highsec under the conditions their drones bandwiths go offline or have to be shut off upon jumping. Instead of cyno jamming, system/cpu jam them. Which would effectively turn them into the large ship transports and refitting service vessel some folks have been asking for. (So far, the only role I've used caps for anyways) Also, awe inpiring sites for nublets to view and aspire to.
Perhaps tie them into the ships enabled safetys? Where if you want to put the logistics and resource into bringing each and every module back online, you can...but under the circumstance it gives you a criminal flagging and allows that ship and all logistics pumping cap energy into it to be open to anyone and everyone attacking it while you are trying to put it online. |
Inspiration
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Posted - 2014.02.02 18:50:00 -
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Lets just remove non-covert cyno's in 0.2 upward, but allow local construction!
If anything we need more capital poor space!
Jump freighters need an exception, they should even be allowed to cyno in High Sec IMHO.
I hate arguing with static minds that relate everything relative to the status-quo. By definition these minds oppose logic, reason, posses a narrow view and object against solutions for issues that have half an existing workaround. Left up to them, nothing would ever progress!
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Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:03:00 -
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Suddenly, nobody can put up POSes in highsec because of large entities throwing waves of dreads at them whenever they hear news of it. Carriers everywhere mean that a pair of fast, unhittable interceptors could float into a mission, pin down anyone, and receive fighter support. Needless to say the missioner has no hope in hell.
Any sufficiently large alliance/coalition could then actively work to shut down highsec to the extent where they and only they are the ones who are allowed to make any money whatsoever from industry.
tl;dr this is possibly one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. |
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Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:20:00 -
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Aglais wrote:*snip*
tl;dr this is possibly one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
but if we keep this idea about letting people light a cyno in high sec then give titans their old dooms day back imagine how cool that'd be!!
cyno pilot: right guys i'm in jita warping 4-4 now!! all the titan pilots: dude this is going to be so cool!! cyno pilot: ok guys you ready? cyno about to go up all the titan pilots: dud we're ready DO EET! *cyno pilot lights his cyno outside 4-4 the screams in local go crazy as freighter pilots scream* cyno pilot: cyno up, cyno up!!
*all the titan pilots shoot their dooms day devices through the cyno obliterating jita 4-4 and everything within system such is the power of all the things* |
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:06:00 -
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I dont think people are going to go around suicide ganking people with their carriers and dreads. The Wormhole Kid |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:22:00 -
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Watch some idiot park his Titan on the Jita undock just to be a a**hat... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us Bask of Fail
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Posted - 2014.02.03 06:27:00 -
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ExookiZ wrote:I dont think people are going to go around suicide ganking people with their carriers and dreads.
You'd be suprised. |
Goldensaver
Lom Corporation WHY so DERP'D
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Posted - 2014.02.03 06:41:00 -
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Honestly, my opinion on caps in highsec is tied into freighter size limits: why must there be a hard cap on freighter cargo capacity so that disassebled caps can't be brought into highsec, and why can't caps be brought into highsec and just not assembled there?
I mean, I don't see why we can't move capital markets into the highsec markets, and I don't see why we can't gank people trying to drag Moros' out of Jita in their freighters. I think we could get some good laughs out of this. Can't be all that hard to set things up so if you try and assemble a cap in 0.5 or higher you get an error message much like when you attempt to bomb in empire space. |
Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill
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Posted - 2014.02.03 07:55:00 -
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Hmmm i would like to see capitals in hi sec, but only on a condition that they could not do anything there. I want capitals in hi sec for relocation and storage purposes only. No repairing or fighting. |
Punky260
The Dancer.
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Posted - 2014.02.03 10:13:00 -
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I don't think that idea is thought through.
There are reason they are banned form highsec, and I thing those reasons are good. Of course I thought about how cool it were to jump around in a carrier and do funny things in Highsec, but it wouldn't be fun for long and rather ruin the balance.
Even the construction and travelban is very important. Otherwise you could simply "hide" those things in HS and keep them of your enemy from Null. If you want war with big ships you need to accept the disadvantages of those, like vulnerable construction and parking etc. |
Unkind Omen
Russian Thunder Squad Darkness of Despair
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Posted - 2014.02.03 10:39:00 -
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If you want to fly capships go outside secure area first. No need to move endgame stuff into nooblands.
If you have a capship you won't care about null sec around you not having concord anymore => There is no actual profit for people who own capships to go shopping to jita by carrier as you can do that by JF.
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Glarion Garnier
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.03 11:39:00 -
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I'm proposing an idea of new areas of low sec space where Capital ships cannot enter. Basically to limit the big boys and their toys away from the pvp fun. Back to the old days of eve. Forced by some thing to limit caps out of new culsters of low sec space.
And on the topic of OP why not.. but only make it so that it's temporary in few special systems. And that the capital ships could for some reason only target war targets. |
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