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Capsicum	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:41:00 - [31] Keep it Civil and On-topic please. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our new Website!
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Mr SunTzu the same could be said about the southern alliances which are bothered by things that happen on the other side of eve though hes an alt, hes perfectly right. FIX - SA - BoB admit it fixies u bob alts! -------------------------------- Darkness and humanity.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:53:00 - [33] Originally by: Mr SunTzu the same could be said about the southern alliances which are bothered by things that happen on the other side of eve Maybe the northern lot should keep their 5-stab ganksquads out of the south then.
Wrok	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:56:00 - [34] G have nutthing to lose. they have pretty much lost everything
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:56:00 - [35] the guy in that picture is/was a hero. nice speech though STAN FACTA NON VERBA
WETRAIN	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:58:00 - [36] Nice post .... the only comment DIE! http://www.eve-files.com/media/signatures/sigla.jpg
Gungankllr	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:01:00 - [37] Gee, and you thought that G and Iron were the only alliances that had alts floating about in their enemies alliances? We're not here because we like the cheese.
Professor McFly	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:06:00 - [38] Bad taste using that picture, imo I still have my suspicions about your "neutrality", after the main thread went: BoB - "we're killing your shipyards in EC!" G/IRON member - "bring it on!" But that's just me ps your T2 prices are too high __________________ Inappropriate link description. --Jorauk mods - pwning sigs since 1943
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:07:00 - [39] This is all part of the War on Terror Bunnies. Didn't you guys know you were on the Axis of Ebil? Industrial Giants
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Wrok G have nutthing to lose. they have pretty much lost everything No my friend, they gained much more balls and pride now. -------------------------------- Darkness and humanity.
Itto'Ryu	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:11:00 - [41] Originally by: Netto Using that picture is, um.. bad taste. But whatevah. Netto Agreed
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:12:00 - [42] The difference is that BoB and FIX are allies and they don't hide that fact. TRUST claims they are neutral with no affiliation with GIRON which is a lie that they want everyone to believe. However, actions speak louder then words and we all seen how GIRON reacted to invation of TRUST, didnÆt we. The truth will set you free
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:15:00 - [43] Tbh i actually found the picture quite nice a fit for what they wanted to convey. I don't know anything about OE, but X-trading and 3-I were entities with a well known past in Xetic for literally ages. The real debate for me is that we see means utilised in alliance conflicts that have not been employed often in the past. This certainly opens a new can of worms (for better or worse still to be decided), as it sets a precedent. From now on, nobody can hope to be neutral. I'm sure G/Iron will want to return the favor in the future, if for example any of their enemies start buying cool toys from NAGA. While this makes sense under the scrutiny of cynical and rational thought about wars, it doesn't leave any room to accommodate the simple fact that we are playing a game. Real wars are fought with the aim of not giving the enemy even the slightest reprieve. That is understandable, as there are humans lives on the line that can be saved if one strives not to prolong the situation. On the other hand, in the EvE universe it will certainly make for a very dull political landscape in the long run. The reason this is a great game is the fact that YOU define your objectives. I can understand that for some people winning whatever the cost/implications may be is one of the main objectives. I just don't like seeing others in their camp using double standards afterwards, claiming they are after a fun fight If this trend evolves, one can't help but wonder what's next? War dec and kill all the people who put up sell orders in torrinos, or any other similar system for that matter that's neighboring an alliance's chokepoint? Which brings us to the final nail on the coffin. With the numbers currently stacked against G/Iron and the methods used to strangle their war machine,namely attacking other non-affiliated parties for selling them stuff (not giving them away for free mind you, which would indeed mean they were actively siding with them), the attackers will soon be left without any noticeable challenge if they keep going this way. I know real life analogies are bad, but it wouldn't be too far from the truth to say that in the eyes of many, this situation is akin to bombing Switzerland because they build watches for the physicists employed in the Iran nuclear programme By coincidence, i was having a talk today about this over the phone with a friend of mine who is a member of Evolution, some hours before this thread was posted. He didn't hide the fact that he was worried they had a lot of advantages stacked in their favor. Obviously he's not loosing any sleep over it, but he seemed worried that an overwhelming advantage combined with a lack of enemies, both in number of entities and in number of pilots, will kill any form of challenging gameplay in the long run. Long story short, the attacking block has a difficult choice ahead of them. They are faced with the prospects of an overwhelming victory that will leave then with nothing more to do in the long run, unless they decide to turn on each other afterwards (i can't help but chuckle, already smelling the flames and seeing the knives in the backs of many ), or they might just chill out a little bit, let their opponents catch up and actually have people to kill in the future. Since i doubt the latter will happen though, i don't see any future for 0.0 politics unless a drastic standings change occurs at some point. Just my .2 isk Originally by: Black Lotus I vote u for KIA spokesperson.
Trustina	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Metal Dude However, actions speak louder then words and we all seen how GIRON reacted to invation of TRUST, didnÆt we. Well, you can tell your false accusations as long as you want, they won¦t become the truth. G is simply defending their own starbases, not ours. You can defend your griefplay as long as you want, it will still be griefplay even if the game mechanics allows it. We are the people, who want to build something and you are the people, who want to destroy something. CCP are the people who made a game, where the destroyers will always win against the builders. There is no reason to fake reasons for this fight. In fact you don¦t even believe them yourself .
Kalened	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:32:00 - [45] BoB brought all the other alliances because it couldn't do the job by itself. The question is not can they keep enough people in EC to lag out any attempt to counter their offensive because obviously they can. The question is.. do the BoB allies want to devote their future to keeping it. Sure they will get sovereignty we can't beat the lag, but G/Iron/Razor aren't going anywhere. I'm sure the bulk of the other alliances will want to return home soon after taking the station although they might wanna play a bit. Honestly theres 0 hope of BoB or any other southern or northern alliance taking and holding anything that is currently under the G/Iron/Razor dominion. Trust is clearly a neutral entity. You can use whatever propaganda you like to cover the fact that BoB's ego was hurt by not getting the first produced mothership. The fact that it went to their only enemy was the straw that broke the camels back. I'd do the same thing if i was BoB but don't think for an instant that anyone buys the propaganda. Even though i consider the massive blob tactics as a lag exploit i will commend BoB on their execution of these events. In any event does it really matter? Everyone should be thanking G/Iron/Razor for not bending over and offering themselves to master BoB like every other alliance in the game. Who would you fight if we weren't here? I guess we could all become industrialists but then industry without war is kinda pointless.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:42:00 - [46] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Long story short, the attacking block has a difficult choice ahead of them. They are faced with the prospects of an overwhelming victory that will leave then with nothing more to do in the long run, unless they decide to turn on each other afterwards (i can't help but chuckle, already smelling the flames and seeing the knives in the backs of many ), or they might just chill out a little bit, let their opponents catch up and actually have people to kill in the future. Since i doubt the latter will happen though, i don't see any future for 0.0 politics unless a drastic standings change occurs at some point. Just my .2 isk Ultimately, PvPers play this game to PvP. If one side kills off all of its enemies, boredom or some other internal issue will cause a split causing old friends to become enemies and old enemies to become friends. Exactly, IMO this is a good thing. If G/IRON are wiped out completely.. it doesnt mean the EVEverse will get boring. Infact it will get more interesting. The collapse of the CA is a testament to this... when it went down, Eve became a total mess (in a good way)... wars everywhere. You can only wipe out those alliances that don't want to fight. Make no mistake. G/Iron/Razor like to fight. We aren't going away.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Kalened Originally by: Wizie Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am On the other hand, in the EvE universe it will certainly make for a very dull political landscape in the long run. The reason this is a great game is the fact that YOU define your objectives. I can understand that for some people winning whatever the cost/implications may be is one of the main objectives. I just don't like seeing others in their camp using double standards afterwards, claiming they are after a fun fight G did the same against BOB when BOB was up North, bringing out much larger numbers... in the "you are in our space" defense. They put up POSes in D7 and camped it with a huge number of ships KNOWING that F-E and [5] would have to jump in and fight. forcing them on the losing end... planned manouvre. G also asked BOB to nap/help them fight against ASCN. Quite frankly, I dont see any double standards, unless they are standards employed by each side in this conflict. What goes around comes around. really when did g/iron/razor ever bring a 600 man fleet? Its not the numbers its the tactic that I refer to. You knew the end result would be the same.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Kalened BoB brought all the other alliances because it couldn't do the job by itself. The question is not can they keep enough people in EC to lag out any attempt to counter their offensive because obviously they can. The question is.. do the BoB allies want to devote their future to keeping it. Sure they will get sovereignty we can't beat the lag, but G/Iron/Razor aren't going anywhere. I'm sure the bulk of the other alliances will want to return home soon after taking the station although they might wanna play a bit. Honestly theres 0 hope of BoB or any other southern or northern alliance taking and holding anything that is currently under the G/Iron/Razor dominion. Trust is clearly a neutral entity. You can use whatever propaganda you like to cover the fact that BoB's ego was hurt by not getting the first produced mothership. The fact that it went to their only enemy was the straw that broke the camels back. I'd do the same thing if i was BoB but don't think for an instant that anyone buys the propaganda. Even though i consider the massive blob tactics as a lag exploit i will commend BoB on their execution of these events. In any event does it really matter? Everyone should be thanking G/Iron/Razor for not bending over and offering themselves to master BoB like every other alliance in the game. Who would you fight if we weren't here? I guess we could all become industrialists but then industry without war is kinda pointless. You are calling it a lag exploit, while saying you would do the same. IRON/G have used the lag/exploit a lot... More than most alliances TBH. Top class post. Jumping into 200 is alot different than 600 thanks.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Kalened Originally by: Wizie Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am On the other hand, in the EvE universe it will certainly make for a very dull political landscape in the long run. The reason this is a great game is the fact that YOU define your objectives. I can understand that for some people winning whatever the cost/implications may be is one of the main objectives. I just don't like seeing others in their camp using double standards afterwards, claiming they are after a fun fight G did the same against BOB when BOB was up North, bringing out much larger numbers... in the "you are in our space" defense. They put up POSes in D7 and camped it with a huge number of ships KNOWING that F-E and [5] would have to jump in and fight. forcing them on the losing end... planned manouvre. G also asked BOB to nap/help them fight against ASCN. Quite frankly, I dont see any double standards, unless they are standards employed by each side in this conflict. What goes around comes around. really when did g/iron/razor ever bring a 600 man fleet? Its not the numbers its the tactic that I refer to. You knew the end result would be the same. Well since g/iron have never put that many in a system to specifically use that tactic i fail to see your point.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:45:00 - [50] Sorry, can't bother to repeat it again. Read up.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:46:00 - [51] Edited by: Kalened on 02/04/2006 19:46:19 Originally by: Wizie Sorry, can't bother to repeat it again. Read up. Sorry i have better things to do than spar with bored gate campers. I said my peice. When you decide to actually fight we'll be waiting.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 02/04/2006 19:46:19 Originally by: Wizie Sorry, can't bother to repeat it again. Read up. Sorry i have better things to do than spar with bored gate campers. I said my peice. When you decide to actually fight we'll be waiting. I'm not gate camping, I'm at work. But you just referred to the tactic... see wasn't that hard.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Trustina Originally by: Metal Dude However, actions speak louder then words and we all seen how GIRON reacted to invation of TRUST, didnÆt we. Well, you can tell your false accusations as long as you want, they won¦t become the truth. G is simply defending their own starbases, not ours. You can defend your griefplay as long as you want, it will still be griefplay even if the game mechanics allows it. We are the people, who want to build something and you are the people, who want to destroy something. CCP are the people who made a game, where the destroyers will always win against the builders. There is no reason to fake reasons for this fight. In fact you don¦t even believe them yourself . Anyway, i found this post somewhat interesting; Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Anyways, bring it on guys. But let me say one thing, BL. You are 1 day to late, yes. 1 day ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Masta Killa	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:50:00 - [54] I TRUST Bob gave up trying to take Stain, since they (and I) already knew they couldn't do it anyway. --------------------------------------
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:51:00 - [55] Originally by: Kalened BoB brought all the other alliances because it couldn't do the job by itself. The question is not can they keep enough people in EC to lag out any attempt to counter their offensive because obviously they can. The question is.. do the BoB allies want to devote their future to keeping it. Sure they will get sovereignty we can't beat the lag, but G/Iron/Razor aren't going anywhere. I'm sure the bulk of the other alliances will want to return home soon after taking the station although they might wanna play a bit. Honestly theres 0 hope of BoB or any other southern or northern alliance taking and holding anything that is currently under the G/Iron/Razor dominion. Trust is clearly a neutral entity. You can use whatever propaganda you like to cover the fact that BoB's ego was hurt by not getting the first produced mothership. The fact that it went to their only enemy was the straw that broke the camels back. I'd do the same thing if i was BoB but don't think for an instant that anyone buys the propaganda. Even though i consider the massive blob tactics as a lag exploit i will commend BoB on their execution of these events. In any event does it really matter? Everyone should be thanking G/Iron/Razor for not bending over and offering themselves to master BoB like every other alliance in the game. Who would you fight if we weren't here? I guess we could all become industrialists but then industry without war is kinda pointless. You sir are the biggest tard I have ever layed my eyes upon. I am very happy that you keep posting. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:55:00 - [56] Edited by: Metal Dude on 02/04/2006 19:55:40 Originally by: Kalened ... Jumping into 200 is alot different than 600 thanks. Yea, you just put your drones out while sitting 150KM away from the gate. 200 + 5 drones = 1,200 The truth will set you free
Jin'Roh	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:57:00 - [57] Edited by: Jin''Roh on 02/04/2006 19:59:15 Originally by: Masta Killa I TRUST Bob gave up trying to take Stain, since they (and I) already knew they couldn't do it anyway. tbh bob got payed from ascn to do the "job" poor hobbitz cant do anything bigger than gank a loney miner .5, f-e and all the other dead corps and alliances are only joining the "big fun" shooting neutral poses, cause they think, it will make them look cool. "look ma, i'm in a gang with bob" jin
Zysco	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:01:00 - [58] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 02/04/2006 19:46:19 Originally by: Wizie Sorry, can't bother to repeat it again. Read up. Sorry i have better things to do than spar with bored gate campers. I said my peice. When you decide to actually fight we'll be waiting. I'm not gate camping, I'm at work. But you just referred to the tactic... see wasn't that hard. when are u getting home callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Randay	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:03:00 - [59] The replies in blacklights thread says it all. ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!"
Nooey	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:04:00 - [60] Originally by: Trustina You can defend your griefplay as long as you want, it will still be griefplay even if the game mechanics allows it. We are the people, who want to build something and you are the people, who want to destroy something. CCP are the people who made a game, where the destroyers will always win against the builders. Don't often post here, read avidly however. Saw this and just had to say, if this is even close to the majority opinion in TRUST...then you guys came into the 0.0 business with the wrong mindset. I mean you didn't just set an outpost up in 0.0. You set one up in EC-P8R, an extremely contentious and attention-attracting move. When someone comes knocking at your door over this (And odds were on that someday it would happen), turning around and saying "Griefer" is just, well, bizarre. ____

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