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Phoenix Pryde	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:13:00 - [1] This is the one official statement TRUST will give on the issue. You may try to open your eyes and believe it. Or you may go on and believe what you want to believe. Whatever you do, it doesnt really matters for us. TRUST is a unique and entirely independent alliance. Like everybody else, we have a past. Parts of us were Xetic once, and sometimes are still judged for that, others have other pasts. The attackers claimed OE to be alts of G, or rather us being an alt alliance of G, and this to be the reason for fighting us. OE certainly had a past with G, a past long gone. With TRUST however OE like 3-I and XT severed their links to the past, to start something new. Our corps belong to the oldest of eve, partially dating back to early beta. We might 'just' be industrials, but we most certainly are nobodies alts. That claim is nothing but insulting. TRUST is and will stay foremost a business entity. Our Tech II portfolio and production is unrivaled, as you can see on http://www.evetrust.com. Our capital ship production is likely one of the largest too, we were the first to finish building a mothership. Our shop is public, and we sell to everybody regardless of affiliation, all our 1500+ customers are treated equally. Your 600 man fleet in EC was a nice and impressive show. We stood there and enjoyed the fireworks. We did not flinch an eye. You may shoot down our POS in EC, you may shoot down a few capital yards along with it. You may take over the Outpost in EC. You may then boast with military victory over the least militant alliance in game. Congratulations, thats how one breaks a fly on the wheel. Thanks for your attention. Have fun. The TRUST sales team. http://www.evetrust.com Shop // Infinite Improbability Inc [3-I] - a TRUST corporation
Rohann	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:15:00 - [2] Can I buy some claws in ec-?
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:20:00 - [3] I bet the guy on the picture has tech2 stuff in his bag Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:21:00 - [4] HA HA @ the poster. Lelos or Cocordokken!
The Ratfink	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:22:00 - [5] can i get a cheap zealot and mebbe some tech II cap rechargers or do i have to go to "THE ENSLAVER" again for them
Yoristar	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Rohann Can I buy some claws in ec-? Register ingame at www.evetrust.com and you can order anything we build. Whether we can deliver it in EC is another matter. -------------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail... BUT, a true friend will be sitting next
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:22:00 - [7] Too bad we cannot take t2 bpos from you. I guess we need to petition it. Die, die, die.
0Virtu0	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:23:00 - [8] Post with your main please.
Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Phoenix Pryde You may take over the Outpost in EC. You may then boast with military victory over the least militant alliance in game. Congratulations, thats how one breaks a fly on the wheel. your G alts so the war isnt over
Top Hat	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:24:00 - [10] Originally by: 0Virtu0 Post with your main please. /signed
reaTh	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:24:00 - [11] give me your vaga bpo and you get back your outpost ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Current RKK Ranking: (MIN10) Sarraqa
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:25:00 - [12] Originally by: 0Virtu0 Post with your main please. Second image removed, please only use one image in your signature - Petwraith :( ingameboard.asp?a=topic&
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:25:00 - [13] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/04/2006 18:25:15 Originally by: 0Virtu0 Post with your main please. I don't endorse any particular side in this issue, but it will be quite funny to see how this turns out. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:26:00 - [14] i want to buy 2 or 3 of those tanks plz
The Ratfink	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:27:00 - [15] Originally by: 0Virtu0 Post with your main please. no post with your alt
Doragee	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:27:00 - [16] Here it goes...the BoB-forum-squadron...seems to be boring in EC?
Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Doragee Here it goes...the BoB-forum-squadron...seems to be boring in EC? woah woah woah what about the bm-c forum squad?
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Doragee Here it goes...the BoB-forum-squadron...seems to be boring in EC? Very, but it has to be done. Die, die, die.
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:30:00 - [19] me wonders why G would jump in and suicide like they did yesterday if they had no assets in the thing we killing... but its just me thinking out loud New Sig In process Bringing pain to a place near you
Netto	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:30:00 - [20] Using that picture is, um.. bad taste. But whatevah. Netto Celestial Fleet - We care.
Doragee	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Robotek Hybrid Originally by: Doragee Here it goes...the BoB-forum-squadron...seems to be boring in EC? woah woah woah what about the bm-c forum squad? Sry....how could i missed that one, too...
Smith	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:32:00 - [22] The best thing you can do is abandon this outpost and region and relocate to a place more suitable, maybe towards Fountain/Delve. There you can rent the space and you will not have the same security problems you seem to have here. Just my two cents. Thanks for your time. Smith.
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Sir JoJo me wonders why G would jump in and suicide like they did yesterday if they had no assets in the thing we killing... but its just me thinking out loud maybe they just wanted go to torrinos... realy badly. Lelos or Cocordokken!
heilio	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:34:00 - [24] Attacking an industrial venture. Weak, very weak.
Emno	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Scalor Valentis Originally by: Sir JoJo me wonders why G would jump in and suicide like they did yesterday if they had no assets in the thing we killing... but its just me thinking out loud maybe they just wanted go to torrinos... realy badly. or... maybe... they wanted a fight
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Emno Originally by: Scalor Valentis Originally by: Sir JoJo me wonders why G would jump in and suicide like they did yesterday if they had no assets in the thing we killing... but its just me thinking out loud maybe they just wanted go to torrinos... realy badly. or... maybe... they wanted a fight we are talking abaut G here.. Lelos or Cocordokken!
maGz	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Doragee Here it goes...the BoB-forum-squadron...seems to be boring in EC? There's no "BoB-forum-squadron"... Their whole alliance is a bunch of smacktards ______________________
Mr SunTzu	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Sir JoJo me wonders why G would jump in and suicide like they did yesterday if they had no assets in the thing we killing... maybe cause trust arent their alt corp but are still friends and the invasion of an hostile force in their neighbourhood is something u have to react to? Its like asking why BoB got involved in the Fix/SA conflict (maybe Fix is bobs alt alliance :\| ).
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:38:00 - [29] Both you and G seem to be very bothered by something that doesnt bother you.
Mr SunTzu	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:40:00 - [30] the same could be said about the southern alliances which are bothered by things that happen on the other side of eve
Capsicum	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:41:00 - [31] Keep it Civil and On-topic please. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our new Website!
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Mr SunTzu the same could be said about the southern alliances which are bothered by things that happen on the other side of eve though hes an alt, hes perfectly right. FIX - SA - BoB admit it fixies u bob alts! -------------------------------- Darkness and humanity.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:53:00 - [33] Originally by: Mr SunTzu the same could be said about the southern alliances which are bothered by things that happen on the other side of eve Maybe the northern lot should keep their 5-stab ganksquads out of the south then.
Wrok	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:56:00 - [34] G have nutthing to lose. they have pretty much lost everything
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:56:00 - [35] the guy in that picture is/was a hero. nice speech though STAN FACTA NON VERBA
WETRAIN	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:58:00 - [36] Nice post .... the only comment DIE! http://www.eve-files.com/media/signatures/sigla.jpg
Gungankllr	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:01:00 - [37] Gee, and you thought that G and Iron were the only alliances that had alts floating about in their enemies alliances? We're not here because we like the cheese.
Professor McFly	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:06:00 - [38] Bad taste using that picture, imo I still have my suspicions about your "neutrality", after the main thread went: BoB - "we're killing your shipyards in EC!" G/IRON member - "bring it on!" But that's just me ps your T2 prices are too high __________________ Inappropriate link description. --Jorauk mods - pwning sigs since 1943
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:07:00 - [39] This is all part of the War on Terror Bunnies. Didn't you guys know you were on the Axis of Ebil? Industrial Giants
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Wrok G have nutthing to lose. they have pretty much lost everything No my friend, they gained much more balls and pride now. -------------------------------- Darkness and humanity.
Itto'Ryu	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:11:00 - [41] Originally by: Netto Using that picture is, um.. bad taste. But whatevah. Netto Agreed
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:12:00 - [42] The difference is that BoB and FIX are allies and they don't hide that fact. TRUST claims they are neutral with no affiliation with GIRON which is a lie that they want everyone to believe. However, actions speak louder then words and we all seen how GIRON reacted to invation of TRUST, didnÆt we. The truth will set you free
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:15:00 - [43] Tbh i actually found the picture quite nice a fit for what they wanted to convey. I don't know anything about OE, but X-trading and 3-I were entities with a well known past in Xetic for literally ages. The real debate for me is that we see means utilised in alliance conflicts that have not been employed often in the past. This certainly opens a new can of worms (for better or worse still to be decided), as it sets a precedent. From now on, nobody can hope to be neutral. I'm sure G/Iron will want to return the favor in the future, if for example any of their enemies start buying cool toys from NAGA. While this makes sense under the scrutiny of cynical and rational thought about wars, it doesn't leave any room to accommodate the simple fact that we are playing a game. Real wars are fought with the aim of not giving the enemy even the slightest reprieve. That is understandable, as there are humans lives on the line that can be saved if one strives not to prolong the situation. On the other hand, in the EvE universe it will certainly make for a very dull political landscape in the long run. The reason this is a great game is the fact that YOU define your objectives. I can understand that for some people winning whatever the cost/implications may be is one of the main objectives. I just don't like seeing others in their camp using double standards afterwards, claiming they are after a fun fight If this trend evolves, one can't help but wonder what's next? War dec and kill all the people who put up sell orders in torrinos, or any other similar system for that matter that's neighboring an alliance's chokepoint? Which brings us to the final nail on the coffin. With the numbers currently stacked against G/Iron and the methods used to strangle their war machine,namely attacking other non-affiliated parties for selling them stuff (not giving them away for free mind you, which would indeed mean they were actively siding with them), the attackers will soon be left without any noticeable challenge if they keep going this way. I know real life analogies are bad, but it wouldn't be too far from the truth to say that in the eyes of many, this situation is akin to bombing Switzerland because they build watches for the physicists employed in the Iran nuclear programme By coincidence, i was having a talk today about this over the phone with a friend of mine who is a member of Evolution, some hours before this thread was posted. He didn't hide the fact that he was worried they had a lot of advantages stacked in their favor. Obviously he's not loosing any sleep over it, but he seemed worried that an overwhelming advantage combined with a lack of enemies, both in number of entities and in number of pilots, will kill any form of challenging gameplay in the long run. Long story short, the attacking block has a difficult choice ahead of them. They are faced with the prospects of an overwhelming victory that will leave then with nothing more to do in the long run, unless they decide to turn on each other afterwards (i can't help but chuckle, already smelling the flames and seeing the knives in the backs of many ), or they might just chill out a little bit, let their opponents catch up and actually have people to kill in the future. Since i doubt the latter will happen though, i don't see any future for 0.0 politics unless a drastic standings change occurs at some point. Just my .2 isk Originally by: Black Lotus I vote u for KIA spokesperson.
Trustina	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Metal Dude However, actions speak louder then words and we all seen how GIRON reacted to invation of TRUST, didnÆt we. Well, you can tell your false accusations as long as you want, they won¦t become the truth. G is simply defending their own starbases, not ours. You can defend your griefplay as long as you want, it will still be griefplay even if the game mechanics allows it. We are the people, who want to build something and you are the people, who want to destroy something. CCP are the people who made a game, where the destroyers will always win against the builders. There is no reason to fake reasons for this fight. In fact you don¦t even believe them yourself .
Kalened	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:32:00 - [45] BoB brought all the other alliances because it couldn't do the job by itself. The question is not can they keep enough people in EC to lag out any attempt to counter their offensive because obviously they can. The question is.. do the BoB allies want to devote their future to keeping it. Sure they will get sovereignty we can't beat the lag, but G/Iron/Razor aren't going anywhere. I'm sure the bulk of the other alliances will want to return home soon after taking the station although they might wanna play a bit. Honestly theres 0 hope of BoB or any other southern or northern alliance taking and holding anything that is currently under the G/Iron/Razor dominion. Trust is clearly a neutral entity. You can use whatever propaganda you like to cover the fact that BoB's ego was hurt by not getting the first produced mothership. The fact that it went to their only enemy was the straw that broke the camels back. I'd do the same thing if i was BoB but don't think for an instant that anyone buys the propaganda. Even though i consider the massive blob tactics as a lag exploit i will commend BoB on their execution of these events. In any event does it really matter? Everyone should be thanking G/Iron/Razor for not bending over and offering themselves to master BoB like every other alliance in the game. Who would you fight if we weren't here? I guess we could all become industrialists but then industry without war is kinda pointless.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:42:00 - [46] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Long story short, the attacking block has a difficult choice ahead of them. They are faced with the prospects of an overwhelming victory that will leave then with nothing more to do in the long run, unless they decide to turn on each other afterwards (i can't help but chuckle, already smelling the flames and seeing the knives in the backs of many ), or they might just chill out a little bit, let their opponents catch up and actually have people to kill in the future. Since i doubt the latter will happen though, i don't see any future for 0.0 politics unless a drastic standings change occurs at some point. Just my .2 isk Ultimately, PvPers play this game to PvP. If one side kills off all of its enemies, boredom or some other internal issue will cause a split causing old friends to become enemies and old enemies to become friends. Exactly, IMO this is a good thing. If G/IRON are wiped out completely.. it doesnt mean the EVEverse will get boring. Infact it will get more interesting. The collapse of the CA is a testament to this... when it went down, Eve became a total mess (in a good way)... wars everywhere. You can only wipe out those alliances that don't want to fight. Make no mistake. G/Iron/Razor like to fight. We aren't going away.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Kalened Originally by: Wizie Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am On the other hand, in the EvE universe it will certainly make for a very dull political landscape in the long run. The reason this is a great game is the fact that YOU define your objectives. I can understand that for some people winning whatever the cost/implications may be is one of the main objectives. I just don't like seeing others in their camp using double standards afterwards, claiming they are after a fun fight G did the same against BOB when BOB was up North, bringing out much larger numbers... in the "you are in our space" defense. They put up POSes in D7 and camped it with a huge number of ships KNOWING that F-E and [5] would have to jump in and fight. forcing them on the losing end... planned manouvre. G also asked BOB to nap/help them fight against ASCN. Quite frankly, I dont see any double standards, unless they are standards employed by each side in this conflict. What goes around comes around. really when did g/iron/razor ever bring a 600 man fleet? Its not the numbers its the tactic that I refer to. You knew the end result would be the same.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Kalened BoB brought all the other alliances because it couldn't do the job by itself. The question is not can they keep enough people in EC to lag out any attempt to counter their offensive because obviously they can. The question is.. do the BoB allies want to devote their future to keeping it. Sure they will get sovereignty we can't beat the lag, but G/Iron/Razor aren't going anywhere. I'm sure the bulk of the other alliances will want to return home soon after taking the station although they might wanna play a bit. Honestly theres 0 hope of BoB or any other southern or northern alliance taking and holding anything that is currently under the G/Iron/Razor dominion. Trust is clearly a neutral entity. You can use whatever propaganda you like to cover the fact that BoB's ego was hurt by not getting the first produced mothership. The fact that it went to their only enemy was the straw that broke the camels back. I'd do the same thing if i was BoB but don't think for an instant that anyone buys the propaganda. Even though i consider the massive blob tactics as a lag exploit i will commend BoB on their execution of these events. In any event does it really matter? Everyone should be thanking G/Iron/Razor for not bending over and offering themselves to master BoB like every other alliance in the game. Who would you fight if we weren't here? I guess we could all become industrialists but then industry without war is kinda pointless. You are calling it a lag exploit, while saying you would do the same. IRON/G have used the lag/exploit a lot... More than most alliances TBH. Top class post. Jumping into 200 is alot different than 600 thanks.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Kalened Originally by: Wizie Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am On the other hand, in the EvE universe it will certainly make for a very dull political landscape in the long run. The reason this is a great game is the fact that YOU define your objectives. I can understand that for some people winning whatever the cost/implications may be is one of the main objectives. I just don't like seeing others in their camp using double standards afterwards, claiming they are after a fun fight G did the same against BOB when BOB was up North, bringing out much larger numbers... in the "you are in our space" defense. They put up POSes in D7 and camped it with a huge number of ships KNOWING that F-E and [5] would have to jump in and fight. forcing them on the losing end... planned manouvre. G also asked BOB to nap/help them fight against ASCN. Quite frankly, I dont see any double standards, unless they are standards employed by each side in this conflict. What goes around comes around. really when did g/iron/razor ever bring a 600 man fleet? Its not the numbers its the tactic that I refer to. You knew the end result would be the same. Well since g/iron have never put that many in a system to specifically use that tactic i fail to see your point.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:45:00 - [50] Sorry, can't bother to repeat it again. Read up.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:46:00 - [51] Edited by: Kalened on 02/04/2006 19:46:19 Originally by: Wizie Sorry, can't bother to repeat it again. Read up. Sorry i have better things to do than spar with bored gate campers. I said my peice. When you decide to actually fight we'll be waiting.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 02/04/2006 19:46:19 Originally by: Wizie Sorry, can't bother to repeat it again. Read up. Sorry i have better things to do than spar with bored gate campers. I said my peice. When you decide to actually fight we'll be waiting. I'm not gate camping, I'm at work. But you just referred to the tactic... see wasn't that hard.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Trustina Originally by: Metal Dude However, actions speak louder then words and we all seen how GIRON reacted to invation of TRUST, didnÆt we. Well, you can tell your false accusations as long as you want, they won¦t become the truth. G is simply defending their own starbases, not ours. You can defend your griefplay as long as you want, it will still be griefplay even if the game mechanics allows it. We are the people, who want to build something and you are the people, who want to destroy something. CCP are the people who made a game, where the destroyers will always win against the builders. There is no reason to fake reasons for this fight. In fact you don¦t even believe them yourself . Anyway, i found this post somewhat interesting; Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Anyways, bring it on guys. But let me say one thing, BL. You are 1 day to late, yes. 1 day ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Masta Killa	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:50:00 - [54] I TRUST Bob gave up trying to take Stain, since they (and I) already knew they couldn't do it anyway. --------------------------------------
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:51:00 - [55] Originally by: Kalened BoB brought all the other alliances because it couldn't do the job by itself. The question is not can they keep enough people in EC to lag out any attempt to counter their offensive because obviously they can. The question is.. do the BoB allies want to devote their future to keeping it. Sure they will get sovereignty we can't beat the lag, but G/Iron/Razor aren't going anywhere. I'm sure the bulk of the other alliances will want to return home soon after taking the station although they might wanna play a bit. Honestly theres 0 hope of BoB or any other southern or northern alliance taking and holding anything that is currently under the G/Iron/Razor dominion. Trust is clearly a neutral entity. You can use whatever propaganda you like to cover the fact that BoB's ego was hurt by not getting the first produced mothership. The fact that it went to their only enemy was the straw that broke the camels back. I'd do the same thing if i was BoB but don't think for an instant that anyone buys the propaganda. Even though i consider the massive blob tactics as a lag exploit i will commend BoB on their execution of these events. In any event does it really matter? Everyone should be thanking G/Iron/Razor for not bending over and offering themselves to master BoB like every other alliance in the game. Who would you fight if we weren't here? I guess we could all become industrialists but then industry without war is kinda pointless. You sir are the biggest tard I have ever layed my eyes upon. I am very happy that you keep posting. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:55:00 - [56] Edited by: Metal Dude on 02/04/2006 19:55:40 Originally by: Kalened ... Jumping into 200 is alot different than 600 thanks. Yea, you just put your drones out while sitting 150KM away from the gate. 200 + 5 drones = 1,200 The truth will set you free
Jin'Roh	Posted - 2006.04.02 19:57:00 - [57] Edited by: Jin''Roh on 02/04/2006 19:59:15 Originally by: Masta Killa I TRUST Bob gave up trying to take Stain, since they (and I) already knew they couldn't do it anyway. tbh bob got payed from ascn to do the "job" poor hobbitz cant do anything bigger than gank a loney miner .5, f-e and all the other dead corps and alliances are only joining the "big fun" shooting neutral poses, cause they think, it will make them look cool. "look ma, i'm in a gang with bob" jin
Zysco	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:01:00 - [58] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 02/04/2006 19:46:19 Originally by: Wizie Sorry, can't bother to repeat it again. Read up. Sorry i have better things to do than spar with bored gate campers. I said my peice. When you decide to actually fight we'll be waiting. I'm not gate camping, I'm at work. But you just referred to the tactic... see wasn't that hard. when are u getting home callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Randay	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:03:00 - [59] The replies in blacklights thread says it all. ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!"
Nooey	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:04:00 - [60] Originally by: Trustina You can defend your griefplay as long as you want, it will still be griefplay even if the game mechanics allows it. We are the people, who want to build something and you are the people, who want to destroy something. CCP are the people who made a game, where the destroyers will always win against the builders. Don't often post here, read avidly however. Saw this and just had to say, if this is even close to the majority opinion in TRUST...then you guys came into the 0.0 business with the wrong mindset. I mean you didn't just set an outpost up in 0.0. You set one up in EC-P8R, an extremely contentious and attention-attracting move. When someone comes knocking at your door over this (And odds were on that someday it would happen), turning around and saying "Griefer" is just, well, bizarre. ____
Rael Anshak	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:04:00 - [61] the fact that g/iron/razor have never put 600 in a single system only speaks to their lack of support, not their distaste for tactics. G/IRon are notorious for refusing to jump into hostile fleets and forcing an enemy to jump in smaller numbers merely so they can have lag on their side. When we use 600 its because we can, not to create lag, that is obvious in teh fact that we dont sit at gates in sniping range with drones popped for the sole purpose of causing lag for anyone wishing to jump in. Trust is affiliated with g/iron, even positive standings between the two entities would be enough to create hostile standings from BoB. What do you excpect, G is our enemy, and trust supplies G. Wouldn't it make sense that if we can cripple trust, to do so? Anyone that says otherwise is a horrible military stategist. And if your looking for some of BoBs industrial wing, come down to delve, i believe we have a few outposts, some conquerable stations and what not, feel free to have a go at them, by all means, try, and see what happens to you. ________
Dr Smacktalk	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:08:00 - [62] Out of all the places why would you set up an outpost in EC-P8R 1 hop from emipre! There are so many other regions in space that are less "Active" Anyhow idle soldiers grow bored. If BoB/friends dont have anything left to kill they will just grow restless and start shooting eachother.
Kryztal	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Kalened Originally by: Wizie Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am On the other hand, in the EvE universe it will certainly make for a very dull political landscape in the long run. The reason this is a great game is the fact that YOU define your objectives. I can understand that for some people winning whatever the cost/implications may be is one of the main objectives. I just don't like seeing others in their camp using double standards afterwards, claiming they are after a fun fight G did the same against BOB when BOB was up North, bringing out much larger numbers... in the "you are in our space" defense. They put up POSes in D7 and camped it with a huge number of ships KNOWING that F-E and [5] would have to jump in and fight. forcing them on the losing end... planned manouvre. G also asked BOB to nap/help them fight against ASCN. Quite frankly, I dont see any double standards, unless they are standards employed by each side in this conflict. What goes around comes around. really when did g/iron/razor ever bring a 600 man fleet? The fact that you cant bring a 600 man fleet is not our problem now is it. Black Nova Corp Bob(TM) Brand Bleach - Eliminates Every Stain
Lone Bear	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:16:00 - [64] Originally by: Kalened You can use whatever propaganda you like to cover the fact that BoB's ego was hurt by not getting the first produced mothership. Your ego was hurt when they won the first MotherShip introduced in the universe?
Kryztal	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:20:00 - [65] Originally by: Lone Bear Originally by: Kalened You can use whatever propaganda you like to cover the fact that BoB's ego was hurt by not getting the first produced mothership. Your ego was hurt when they won the first MotherShip introduced in the universe? He also seems sure this is the first built mothership ingame. Some of us dont need to make public announcements when we build stuff. Dont recall us putting up a post informing everyone that we have outposts etc etc. He assumes alot but knows nothing. Black Nova Corp Bob(TM) Brand Bleach - Eliminates Every Stain
Mr SunTzu	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Rael Anshak the fact that g/iron/razor have never put 600 in a single system only speaks to their lack of support, not their distaste for tactics. G/IRon are notorious for refusing to jump into hostile fleets and forcing an enemy to jump in smaller numbers merely so they can have lag on their side. When we use 600 its because we can, not to create lag, that is obvious in teh fact that we dont sit at gates in sniping range with drones popped for the sole purpose of causing lag for anyone wishing to jump in. Trust is affiliated with g/iron, even positive standings between the two entities would be enough to create hostile standings from BoB. What do you excpect, G is our enemy, and trust supplies G. Wouldn't it make sense that if we can cripple trust, to do so? Anyone that says otherwise is a horrible military stategist. And if your looking for some of BoBs industrial wing, come down to delve, i believe we have a few outposts, some conquerable stations and what not, feel free to have a go at them, by all means, try, and see what happens to you. nothing would happen because we all know that BoB has no serious enemies besides G/Iron and the whole south (except RA) would come to fight G/Iron. So plz dont sound too arrogant cause ur politics really dont mirror ur big ego. Btw afaik G never uses drones in any fleet battles and they also jump often in enemy fleets (also bigger ones). Spreading wrong stuff here wont change that.
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:21:00 - [67] Originally by: Smith The best thing you can do is abandon this outpost and region and relocate to a place more suitable, maybe towards Fountain/Delve. There you can rent the space and you will not have the same security problems you seem to have here. Just my two cents. Thanks for your time. Smith. Or they can just easily retake the outpost later. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Trustina	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:22:00 - [68] Edited by: Trustina on 02/04/2006 20:24:00 Originally by: Dr Smacktalk Out of all the places why would you set up an outpost in EC-P8R 1 hop from emipre! Well, in fact we built the outpost in this system, because in this system the outpost has no strategic value! We allowed everyone to dock except those who attacked us. Even ASCN, BoB and The Five were allowed to dock, before they decided to shoot at our indus. Our intention was (and still is) to be a neutral entity, bringing civilization and infrastructure into Pure Blind. And so we hoped, that nobody would invest the work to take this (in a tactical view) useless system away from us. But we underestfmated, that there are so many people in this game with the only goal to destroy other peoples work. We forgot, that people who have the power to do anything, will do anything. And now we will pay the price for our idealistic view.
Rael Anshak	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:24:00 - [69] Originally by: Baun Originally by: Smith The best thing you can do is abandon this outpost and region and relocate to a place more suitable, maybe towards Fountain/Delve. There you can rent the space and you will not have the same security problems you seem to have here. Just my two cents. Thanks for your time. Smith. Or they can just easily retake the outpost later. If they truly are a neutral purely industrial entity, i doubt occaters and hulks do too much dmg to military pos'es. But i could be mistaken. ________
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:27:00 - [70] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am On the other hand, in the EvE universe it will certainly make for a very dull political landscape in the long run. The reason this is a great game is the fact that YOU define your objectives. I can understand that for some people winning whatever the cost/implications may be is one of the main objectives. I just don't like seeing others in their camp using double standards afterwards, claiming they are after a fun fight G did the same against BOB when BOB was up North, bringing out much larger numbers... in the "you are in our space" defense. They put up POSes in D7 and camped it with a huge number of ships KNOWING that F-E and [5] would have to jump in and fight. forcing them on the losing end... planned manouvre. G also asked BOB to nap/help them fight against ASCN. Quite frankly, I dont see any double standards, unless they are standards employed by each side in this conflict. What goes around comes around. I'm not defending anyone here tbh. I mean, G is one carrier short because of actions taken by my corp and E-R. I do agree though that all sides are guilty of using double standards. Infact, i have had quite a laugh reading up old posts from the time some now-RA corps were attacking Xetic and Atuk were verbally attacking the Reds and defending Xetic, the [5] publicly ridiculing Cyvok for his SCA blunder only to label him a stable partner after ASCN was formed, or watching forum sigs change after conflicts end and a NAP is signed, etc etc. Everyone is biased to a certain extent as it is human nature, and everyone goes one step beyond from that to exploit the benefits of propaganda. In the end, almost everyone who spends some time reading these boards will be able to read between the lines and recognise those things. Some may also take the extra step and point out the (not so) obvious. It is then that the bigger the contradiction is, the more longstanding effect it will have on people's memories. I am not accusing the attackers of double standards for this particular operation, since they have openly admitted they were not after fights and it is strictly business. I also won't be the one to to do it, but i'm sure next time one of them gets blobbed and brings up the argument of low fun factor to the table, loads of people will be crawling out of the woodwork screaming "yeah,like that 600-ship blob of yours X weeks/months ago". We all do it, it's just that it's the first time we have seen such a numerical imbalance and unless someone sets a new record (highly unlikely considering who is napped with whom) , a lot of people will not be able to bring up any argument containing the word "fun" for lots of weeks to come. Originally by: Black Lotus I vote u for KIA spokesperson.
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:27:00 - [71] Originally by: Trustina Edited by: Trustina on 02/04/2006 20:24:00 Originally by: Dr Smacktalk Out of all the places why would you set up an outpost in EC-P8R 1 hop from emipre! Well, in fact we built the outpost in this system, because in this system the outpost has no strategic value! We allowed everyone to dock except those who attacked us. Even ASCN, BoB and The Five were allowed to dock, before they decided to shoot at our indus. Our intention was (and still is) to be a neutral entity, bringing civilization and infrastructure into Pure Blind. And so we hoped, that nobody would invest the work to take this (in a tactical view) useless system away from us. But we underestfmated, that there are so many people in this game with the only goal to destroy other peoples work. We forgot, that people who have the power to do anything, will do anything. And now we will pay the price for our idealistic view. if you claim to be truly neutral, why did members of your alliance participate actively in fights on G' side in Tribute? Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:28:00 - [72] if what you say was true then bob and ascn ecc... wud go after ISS aswell, how do you explain they only came after you? afaik we wer never able to dock at TRUST's... that station has always been a staging point for northeners and a problem everytime we wanted to break a camp in ec cuz u'd always be wondering "how many cud they undock from the outpost" ? Alts of G? no idea, maybe not Neutral? no f***in way! - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:29:00 - [73] Originally by: Lone Bear Originally by: Kalened You can use whatever propaganda you like to cover the fact that BoB's ego was hurt by not getting the first produced mothership. Your ego was hurt when they won the first MotherShip introduced in the universe? I think their ego ws hurt when they didnt get out of the first round. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Trustina Edited by: Trustina on 02/04/2006 20:24:00 Originally by: Dr Smacktalk Out of all the places why would you set up an outpost in EC-P8R 1 hop from emipre! Well, in fact we built the outpost in this system, because in this system the outpost has no strategic value! We allowed everyone to dock except those who attacked us. Even ASCN, BoB and The Five were allowed to dock, before they decided to shoot at our indus. Our intention was (and still is) to be a neutral entity, bringing civilization and infrastructure into Pure Blind. And so we hoped, that nobody would invest the work to take this (in a tactical view) useless system away from us. But we underestfmated, that there are so many people in this game with the only goal to destroy other peoples work. We forgot, that people who have the power to do anything, will do anything. And now we will pay the price for our idealistic view. You let us dock because you are greedy. You charged a battleships around 250K to dock. This nice guy act fools nobody. I wonder why it is that G has 3 or so POS here. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Trustina	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:32:00 - [75] Originally by: Tiuwaz if you claim to be truly neutral, why did members of your alliance participate actively in fights on G' side in Tribute? Well, because you had visited our systems so often and had shot our haulers so often, we decided to make a return visit. Well, after arrival there was a G fleet as well. So it happened that we shot at the same targets. If you ask your scouts, they will tell you, that we didn¦t came together. And if you look at all your fights I bet it was the only day, we have ever been there. And that was after countless losses against your ganking forces in our home.
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:35:00 - [76] Originally by: Rael Anshak Originally by: Baun Originally by: Smith The best thing you can do is abandon this outpost and region and relocate to a place more suitable, maybe towards Fountain/Delve. There you can rent the space and you will not have the same security problems you seem to have here. Just my two cents. Thanks for your time. Smith. Or they can just easily retake the outpost later. If they truly are a neutral purely industrial entity, i doubt occaters and hulks do too much dmg to military pos'es. But i could be mistaken. They have alot of old players and make alot of capital ships. Presumably they can pretty easily field enough Dreads to take down POSs left behind. Its not going to be particularly difficult to simply retake the system when you guys (and especially your ASCN fodder) leave. Of course, you can always scramble to try to protect the outpost but the thing that has made BoB generally effective has been lack of territoriality. You won't bother defending an outpost you don't want (especially in a region to don't claim politically) at that moment because you know that you can come back later (if you can coax ASCN into giving you enough players to make resistance mechanically impossible .... otherwise it wouldn't be quite so automatic) and take it back when you DO want it. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:42:00 - [77] Originally by: Mr SunTzu ... Btw afaik G never uses drones in any fleet battles and they also jump often in enemy fleets (also bigger ones). Spreading wrong stuff here wont change that. By their own wards, G/IRON are same alliance and IRON uses drones in fleet battles while sitting 150KM from the gate to cause lag all the time. Denying it won't make it untrue. BTW, most people respect G, but not IRON, so by association, G has to take blame for IRON's actions. The truth will set you free
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:45:00 - [78] Originally by: Trustina Originally by: Tiuwaz if you claim to be truly neutral, why did members of your alliance participate actively in fights on G' side in Tribute? Well, because you had visited our systems so often and had shot our haulers so often, we decided to make a return visit. Well, after arrival there was a G fleet as well. So it happened that we shot at the same targets. If you ask your scouts, they will tell you, that we didn¦t came together. And if you look at all your fights I bet it was the only day, we have ever been there. And that was after countless losses against your ganking forces in our home. i dont really care about you shooting us tbh, but you cant claim any neutrality anymore when you go into other people's space to fight them. (additionally flying with a force that tries to contend sovereignity) I live in Austria we had more Neutrality debates than the Swiss . Defending your space against hostiles is a yes. Deploying your troops alongside a firendly force against someone who you dont like and has shot at you is still a nono, if its abroad. You have the full right to do so and i understand. But you cant claim neutrality then. Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Xianthar	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:46:00 - [79] Originally by: Trustina Originally by: Metal Dude However, actions speak louder then words and we all seen how GIRON reacted to invation of TRUST, didnÆt we. Well, you can tell your false accusations as long as you want, they won¦t become the truth. G is simply defending their own starbases, not ours. You can defend your griefplay as long as you want, it will still be griefplay even if the game mechanics allows it. We are the people, who want to build something and you are the people, who want to destroy something. CCP are the people who made a game, where the destroyers will always win against the builders. There is no reason to fake reasons for this fight. In fact you don¦t even believe them yourself . if the game was balenced so that "builders" had an advantage over "destroyers" then the markets would become flooded and collapse and only a very few builders would survive and make any isk, the game would be all pvp....destruction being easier than construction is what creates the demand that ultimately creates your market. ironic that you would complain about balence when the thing you request would all but destroy your profession... -xian
Jin'Roh	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:47:00 - [80] Edited by: Jin''Roh on 02/04/2006 20:48:02 Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Mr SunTzu ... Btw afaik G never uses drones in any fleet battles and they also jump often in enemy fleets (also bigger ones). Spreading wrong stuff here wont change that. By their own wards, G/IRON are same alliance and IRON uses drones in fleet battles while sitting 150KM from the gate to cause lag all the time. Denying it won't make it untrue. BTW, most people respect G, but not IRON, so by association, G has to take blame for IRON's actions. ever seen an ascn camp for example? 0o you stop counting after 99909 drones and... this topic is trust and ec-, not about cool guys like metaldude. jin
Sochin	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:51:00 - [81] Edited by: Sochin on 02/04/2006 20:52:10 Originally by: Kalened BoB brought all the other alliances because it couldn't do the job by itself. The question is not can they keep enough people in EC to lag out any attempt to counter their offensive because obviously they can. The question is.. do the BoB allies want to devote their future to keeping it. Sure they will get sovereignty we can't beat the lag, but G/Iron/Razor aren't going anywhere. I'm sure the bulk of the other alliances will want to return home soon after taking the station although they might wanna play a bit. Honestly theres 0 hope of BoB or any other southern or northern alliance taking and holding anything that is currently under the G/Iron/Razor dominion. Interesting. I seem to remember IRON flailing about helplessly after we took the ju- outpost for like a week before they called in help from G and their surrounding pets . I seem to remember you outnumbering us quite abit with horrific lag, yet refusing to jump in and fight. Every time I hear you say "blahblah Bob couldn't do it on their own" I laugh, because IRON can't even take a leak without asking G first to help them. www.adrenalade.com/images/sochinsig.jpg[/img] Nemo me impune lacessit Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Trustina Edited by: Trustina on 02/04/2006 20:24:00 Originally by: Dr Smacktalk Out of all the places why would you set up an outpost in EC-P8R 1 hop from emipre! Well, in fact we built the outpost in this system, because in this system the outpost has no strategic value! We allowed everyone to dock except those who attacked us. Even ASCN, BoB and The Five were allowed to dock, before they decided to shoot at our indus. Our intention was (and still is) to be a neutral entity, bringing civilization and infrastructure into Pure Blind. And so we hoped, that nobody would invest the work to take this (in a tactical view) useless system away from us. But we underestfmated, that there are so many people in this game with the only goal to destroy other peoples work. We forgot, that people who have the power to do anything, will do anything. And now we will pay the price for our idealistic view. You let us dock because you are greedy. You charged a battleships around 250K to dock. This nice guy act fools nobody. I wonder why it is that G has 3 or so POS here. Soo... according to you TRUST are treating they're so-called alts (G) on equal foot with other entities such as [5] ? That whole operation you guys made is weird. So ok, we (rest of eve universe) got a nice show of power (but what's the point ? You need 4 alliances to take over an industrial alliance's outpost ? It's laughable). Still, you didn't manage to destroy the mothership that was getting built... And you haven't really done any damage to G/IRON (well, I guess you still haven't figured that TRUST were not G alts, but well...) 4 alliances... And none has a clue about TRUST ? Shame on you guys ^^ Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:57:00 - [83] Quote: 2006.04.02 20:49:44 combat Your Dual Giga Pulse Laser I places an excellent hit on Caldari Control Tower [ASW]<G>, inflicting 10216.7 damage. I must have gotten lost, or was that a G tower in EC? But but but..... The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.04.02 20:59:00 - [84] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Trustina Edited by: Trustina on 02/04/2006 20:24:00 Originally by: Dr Smacktalk Out of all the places why would you set up an outpost in EC-P8R 1 hop from emipre! Well, in fact we built the outpost in this system, because in this system the outpost has no strategic value! We allowed everyone to dock except those who attacked us. Even ASCN, BoB and The Five were allowed to dock, before they decided to shoot at our indus. Our intention was (and still is) to be a neutral entity, bringing civilization and infrastructure into Pure Blind. And so we hoped, that nobody would invest the work to take this (in a tactical view) useless system away from us. But we underestfmated, that there are so many people in this game with the only goal to destroy other peoples work. We forgot, that people who have the power to do anything, will do anything. And now we will pay the price for our idealistic view. You let us dock because you are greedy. You charged a battleships around 250K to dock. This nice guy act fools nobody. I wonder why it is that G has 3 or so POS here. Soo... according to you TRUST are treating they're so-called alts (G) on equal foot with other entities such as [5] ? That whole operation you guys made is weird. So ok, we (rest of eve universe) got a nice show of power (but what's the point ? You need 4 alliances to take over an industrial alliance's outpost ? It's laughable). Still, you didn't manage to destroy the mothership that was getting built... And you haven't really done any damage to G/IRON (well, I guess you still haven't figured that TRUST were not G alts, but well...) 4 alliances... And none has a clue about TRUST ? Shame on you guys ^^ Hi, do you know how game mechanics and dreadnoughts work? Judging by your post you do not. I thought your lips we're surgically removed from XT's***** when we killed Xetic (how's that working out for you lot?). I guess the intel was wrong. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Emno	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:01:00 - [85] Edited by: Emno on 02/04/2006 21:01:19 Originally by: Vince Draken Quote: 2006.04.02 20:49:44 combat Your Dual Giga Pulse Laser I places an excellent hit on Caldari Control Tower [ASW]<G>, inflicting 10216.7 damage. I must have gotten lost, or was that a G tower in EC? But but but..... theres been an asw pos in ec since shortly after exodus iirc ;s
Doragee	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:02:00 - [86] Edited by: Doragee on 02/04/2006 21:03:45 Originally by: Vince Draken Quote: 2006.04.02 20:49:44 combat Your Dual Giga Pulse Laser I places an excellent hit on Caldari Control Tower [ASW]<G>, inflicting 10216.7 damage. I must have gotten lost, or was that a G tower in EC? But but but..... Erm....you weren't often in EC the last year, weren't you? Even i knew that these POSs were there BEFORE TRUST even was founded! And having a POS in a sys is a clue that these are alts?? Quite interesting arguments, really... In my eyes, you're a bit short of, let's say, "straight thinking", Mr. Draken.
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:04:00 - [87] Originally by: Vince Draken Hi, do you know how game mechanics and dreadnoughts work? Judging by your post you do not. I thought your lips we're surgically removed from XT's***** when we killed Xetic (how's that working out for you lot?). I guess the intel was wrong. Well, seems like your intel is a lot wrong latly Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:04:00 - [88] Originally by: Emno Edited by: Emno on 02/04/2006 21:01:19 Originally by: Vince Draken Quote: 2006.04.02 20:49:44 combat Your Dual Giga Pulse Laser I places an excellent hit on Caldari Control Tower [ASW]<G>, inflicting 10216.7 damage. I must have gotten lost, or was that a G tower in EC? But but but..... theres been an asw pos in ec since shortly after exodus iirc ;s It's far from the only one. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:05:00 - [89] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Vince Draken Hi, do you know how game mechanics and dreadnoughts work? Judging by your post you do not. I thought your lips we're surgically removed from XT's***** when we killed Xetic (how's that working out for you lot?). I guess the intel was wrong. Well, seems like your intel is a lot wrong latly How about the game mechanics and dreds? Care to comment? The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:06:00 - [90] Originally by: Jin'Roh Edited by: Jin''Roh on 02/04/2006 20:48:02 Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Mr SunTzu ... Btw afaik G never uses drones in any fleet battles and they also jump often in enemy fleets (also bigger ones). Spreading wrong stuff here wont change that. By their own wards, G/IRON are same alliance and IRON uses drones in fleet battles while sitting 150KM from the gate to cause lag all the time. Denying it won't make it untrue. BTW, most people respect G, but not IRON, so by association, G has to take blame for IRON's actions. ever seen an ascn camp for example? 0o you stop counting after 99909 drones and... this topic is trust and ec-, not about cool guys like metaldude. jin dude I am staring at an ascn camp and not a single drone :\ ollyyy: if you say its laughable you have no clue how dreads/poswars work - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:07:00 - [91] Originally by: Doragee Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Emno Edited by: Emno on 02/04/2006 21:01:19 Originally by: Vince Draken Quote: 2006.04.02 20:49:44 combat Your Dual Giga Pulse Laser I places an excellent hit on Caldari Control Tower [ASW]<G>, inflicting 10216.7 damage. I must have gotten lost, or was that a G tower in EC? But but but..... theres been an asw pos in ec since shortly after exodus iirc ;s It's far from the only one. Another classic! So, having numerous POSs in a Sys. like EC with how many moons, can't check right now, sry, make TRUST some G-Alts?? Mr. Drake....step behind plz...to argue seems not to be your strenght this evening. Please buy a clue and a main. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:07:00 - [92] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Vince Draken Hi, do you know how game mechanics and dreadnoughts work? Judging by your post you do not. I thought your lips we're surgically removed from XT's***** when we killed Xetic (how's that working out for you lot?). I guess the intel was wrong. Well, seems like your intel is a lot wrong latly How about the game mechanics and dreds? Care to comment? Well, I took my time to read cyvok's blog about those Interesting reading, if I'm clueless afterwards just blame your ASCN allies Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Doragee	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:07:00 - [93] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Emno Edited by: Emno on 02/04/2006 21:01:19 Originally by: Vince Draken Quote: 2006.04.02 20:49:44 combat Your Dual Giga Pulse Laser I places an excellent hit on Caldari Control Tower [ASW]<G>, inflicting 10216.7 damage. I must have gotten lost, or was that a G tower in EC? But but but..... theres been an asw pos in ec since shortly after exodus iirc ;s It's far from the only one. Another classic! So, having numerous POSs in a Sys. like EC with how many moons, can't check right now, sry, make TRUST some G-Alts?? Mr. Drake....step behind plz...to argue seems not to be your strenght this evening.
Doragee	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:09:00 - [94] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Doragee Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Emno Edited by: Emno on 02/04/2006 21:01:19 Originally by: Vince Draken Quote: 2006.04.02 20:49:44 combat Your Dual Giga Pulse Laser I places an excellent hit on Caldari Control Tower [ASW]<G>, inflicting 10216.7 damage. I must have gotten lost, or was that a G tower in EC? But but but..... theres been an asw pos in ec since shortly after exodus iirc ;s It's far from the only one. Another classic! So, having numerous POSs in a Sys. like EC with how many moons, can't check right now, sry, make TRUST some G-Alts?? Mr. Drake....step behind plz...to argue seems not to be your strenght this evening. Please buy a clue and a main. QED You're even run out of arguments...only the same old story...btw.: Come to me....i'm next to Rens right atm...
Augustin Coriac	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:15:00 - [95] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig afaik we wer never able to dock at TRUST's... that station has always been a staging point for northeners and a problem everytime we wanted to break a camp in ec cuz u'd always be wondering "how many cud they undock from the outpost" ? Alts of G? no idea, maybe not Neutral? no f***in way! You were able to dock at the station the first days (and everybody was). But when you started to shoot at us, we disabled your access because we didn't want you to use the station to refit. We are neutrals but we don't like to be agressed... If you're bored to shoot at us you can easily contact our diplomatics, who have probably already contact you until the first shoot. And please stop talking about your North/South conflicts... It's off-topic.
Shimpu	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:21:00 - [96] Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Kalened Originally by: Wizie Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am On the other hand, in the EvE universe it will certainly make for a very dull political landscape in the long run. The reason this is a great game is the fact that YOU define your objectives. I can understand that for some people winning whatever the cost/implications may be is one of the main objectives. I just don't like seeing others in their camp using double standards afterwards, claiming they are after a fun fight G did the same against BOB when BOB was up North, bringing out much larger numbers... in the "you are in our space" defense. They put up POSes in D7 and camped it with a huge number of ships KNOWING that F-E and [5] would have to jump in and fight. forcing them on the losing end... planned manouvre. G also asked BOB to nap/help them fight against ASCN. Quite frankly, I dont see any double standards, unless they are standards employed by each side in this conflict. What goes around comes around. really when did g/iron/razor ever bring a 600 man fleet? The fact that you cant bring a 600 man fleet is not our problem now is it. You can't do it on yourself either. You need ASCN, F-E and .5. to get that many people together. What's the next step for eve? Everyone napping anyone and then there are fleets with 1000 people on each side waiting hours for the screen to load? Or is it just BoB having a omgevenbigger fleet but noone to shoot but npcs and minor alliances? You can twist it for as long as you want, but in the end what you are doing is: 1. Punishing TRUST for making business 2. Break the game mechanics with a lag machine P.S.: In my opinion G/IRON vs. .5. and F-E was a fair fight with fleets nearly on par. What you do is just overkill. Maybe it's because noone would have bought it from BoB when they would have come a second time (on their own) and (eventually) got spanked a second time telling "Oh, we just wanted to do another roadtrip"
Dawn Princess	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:26:00 - [97] Quick question which will help me go a long way to deciding the standings and neutrality of TRUST. Now there are a lot of rich alliances out there that would like to own a Mothership. You just built one. Who did you sell it to?
Dorah Hawkwing	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:26:00 - [98] Originally by: Mr SunTzu Originally by: Rael Anshak the fact that g/iron/razor have never put 600 in a single system only speaks to their lack of support, not their distaste for tactics. G/IRon are notorious for refusing to jump into hostile fleets and forcing an enemy to jump in smaller numbers merely so they can have lag on their side. When we use 600 its because we can, not to create lag, that is obvious in teh fact that we dont sit at gates in sniping range with drones popped for the sole purpose of causing lag for anyone wishing to jump in. Trust is affiliated with g/iron, even positive standings between the two entities would be enough to create hostile standings from BoB. What do you excpect, G is our enemy, and trust supplies G. Wouldn't it make sense that if we can cripple trust, to do so? Anyone that says otherwise is a horrible military stategist. And if your looking for some of BoBs industrial wing, come down to delve, i believe we have a few outposts, some conquerable stations and what not, feel free to have a go at them, by all means, try, and see what happens to you. nothing would happen because we all know that BoB has no serious enemies besides G/Iron and the whole south (except RA) would come to fight G/Iron. So plz dont sound too arrogant cause ur politics really dont mirror ur big ego. Btw afaik G never uses drones in any fleet battles and they also jump often in enemy fleets (also bigger ones). Spreading wrong stuff here wont change that. Then, Sir, I am seriously wondering where all those drones with [G] or [IRON] tickers came from fwich i saw floating in our space after recent battles... really. GIRON used the same tactics they now complain about in recent weeks in other theaters of war.
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:28:00 - [99] Originally by: Dawn Princess Quick question which will help me go a long way to deciding the standings and neutrality of TRUST. Now there are a lot of rich alliances out there that would like to own a Mothership. You just built one. Who did you sell it to? they sold it to G Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Ka Ten	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:43:00 - [100] all i can say is maybe because G were the first to order the mothership and cough up the required 28billion according to the Trust website. the queue on the site is unlimited so, any1 can order 1 if u have the isk its not like they restricted it so they were just gonna build 1 mothership.
newfacex	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:44:00 - [101] WOW They used an Industry system/corp/alliance for target practice? BOB must REALLY be bored... Oh wait...everyone runs away and/or NAPS/pays them and/or rents thier space... Whole of EVE are BOBs *****es in one way or another. I'd be BORED as well. Grow some balls ppl. (rawr over)
Jin'Roh	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:49:00 - [102] its not bob its ascn bob is only doing the dirty work for them, lots of iskies went over cyvoks table jin
Mau'l Sith	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:59:00 - [103] Originally by: Jin'Roh its not bob its ascn bob is only doing the dirty work for them, lots of iskies went over cyvoks table jin and u are a tard
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.04.02 21:59:00 - [104] Shimp: "P.S.: In my opinion G/IRON vs. .5. and F-E was a fair fight with fleets nearly on par. What you do is just overkill. Maybe it's because noone would have bought it from BoB when they would have come a second time (on their own) and (potentially) got spanked a second time telling "Oh, we just wanted to do another roadtrip" wonna hear the killratio again from the roadtrip? - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:01:00 - [105] Originally by: newfacex Originally by: Tiuwaz an alt telling ppl to grow balls not an alt. thank you. 21 days old University of Caille - 2006.03.12 20:56:00 no other corps how exactly are you not an alt? Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Esaam DeVries	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:01:00 - [106] Edited by: Esaam DeVries on 02/04/2006 22:01:25 Originally by: Tiuwaz Somewhere an entire universe populated by baby seals imploded when you wrote that. That's a good thing cause I think they were building a mothership -zee bastards ! --
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:02:00 - [107] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 02/04/2006 22:03:45 Originally by: Esaam DeVries Originally by: Tiuwaz Somewhere an entire universe populated by baby seals imploded when you wrote that. That's a good thing cause I think they were building a mothership (zee bastards). never underestimate baby seals Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Turkantho	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:13:00 - [108] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Emno Edited by: Emno on 02/04/2006 21:01:19 Originally by: Vince Draken Quote: 2006.04.02 20:49:44 combat Your Dual Giga Pulse Laser I places an excellent hit on Caldari Control Tower [ASW]<G>, inflicting 10216.7 damage. I must have gotten lost, or was that a G tower in EC? But but but..... theres been an asw pos in ec since shortly after exodus iirc ;s It's far from the only one. there were 6 ASW POSes in EC some are destroyed some are still in reinforced mode and yes the POS at Planet 6 Moon 11 was the first POS ever to be build in EC shortly after the release of exodus in 2004, and it was also the first POS to ever lay claim on EC back then for the Phoenix Alliance, I still lough about the posts from JF about that. ________ As[G]ard
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:15:00 - [109] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Jin'Roh Edited by: Jin''Roh on 02/04/2006 20:48:02 Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Mr SunTzu ... Btw afaik G never uses drones in any fleet battles and they also jump often in enemy fleets (also bigger ones). Spreading wrong stuff here wont change that. By their own wards, G/IRON are same alliance and IRON uses drones in fleet battles while sitting 150KM from the gate to cause lag all the time. Denying it won't make it untrue. BTW, most people respect G, but not IRON, so by association, G has to take blame for IRON's actions. ever seen an ascn camp for example? 0o you stop counting after 99909 drones and... this topic is trust and ec-, not about cool guys like metaldude. jin dude I am staring at an ascn camp and not a single drone :\ ollyyy: if you say its laughable you have no clue how dreads/poswars work I do see about 30 fighters though :P Fear the Ibis of doom.
Brisi	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:19:00 - [110] This thread has become smackalicius. I predict that Abdalion will be in here before long, at least I hope so.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:23:00 - [111] Edited by: Vince Draken on 02/04/2006 22:24:08 Originally by: Jin'Roh its not bob its ascn bob is only doing the dirty work for them, lots of iskies went over cyvoks table jin Yes, because ASCN needs to be paid to make G and IRON/Pets cry all weekend. Oh wait maybe being betrayed by G and fired upon while they had G friendly was cause enough? Ya think? The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Aegieal	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:24:00 - [112] trust was supplying G with capital ships. Therefore they made themselves a target.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:26:00 - [113] You see, I've got an idea here. This thread is near the top of the forums, right? Its also overflowing with smack. So, put a waterwheel on the right side of the forums, and then let the smack wash down over the wheel, spinning it. The axle can then be connected to a generator to generate electricity, which can be used to power CCP's servers, thus reducing their costs! [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Turkantho	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:28:00 - [114] Originally by: Aegieal trust was supplying G with capital ships. Therefore they made themselves a target. ah I see, so the Capital BPos in my corphangar are just an illusion ? ________ As[G]ard
Kayenne	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:31:00 - [115] Originally by: Turkantho Originally by: Aegieal trust was supplying G with capital ships. Therefore they made themselves a target. ah I see, so the Capital BPos in my corphangar are just an illusion ? zee trust alts dont count as has been previously stated
Jor Myne	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:40:00 - [116]
Jurushy	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:41:00 - [117] Originally by: Turkantho Originally by: Aegieal trust was supplying G with capital ships. Therefore they made themselves a target. ah I see, so the Capital BPos in my corphangar are just an illusion ? he i bought some stuff from ASCN member as i needet it in short time in empire does that means ASCN suport G/IRON? If so why u dont kick u ass? jockes by side we have build all our capitals self end we have all Capital BPO¦s we dont need trust or someone else to build that for us so this attak have no real effect on our produktion in this case i would say mission faild but u kill some of our poses and that why u will pay for and belive me we wont forget it be sure our next invasion of the ASCN systems is in planing and i am sure u will like this
Kayenne	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:50:00 - [118] Originally by: Jurushy Originally by: Turkantho Originally by: Aegieal trust was supplying G with capital ships. Therefore they made themselves a target. ah I see, so the Capital BPos in my corphangar are just an illusion ? he i bought some stuff from ASCN member as i needet it in short time in empire does that means ASCN suport G/IRON? If so why u dont kick u ass? jockes by side we have build all our capitals self end we have all Capital BPO¦s we dont need trust or someone else to build that for us so this attak have no real effect on our produktion in this case i would say mission faild but u kill some of our poses and that why u will pay for and belive me we wont forget it be sure our next invasion of the ASCN systems is in planing and i am sure u will like this moral bottomed out yet?
Jurushy	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:55:00 - [119] not mine yours?
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.04.02 22:57:00 - [120] Originally by: Jurushy Originally by: Turkantho Originally by: Aegieal trust was supplying G with capital ships. Therefore they made themselves a target. ah I see, so the Capital BPos in my corphangar are just an illusion ? he i bought some stuff from ASCN member as i needet it in short time in empire does that means ASCN suport G/IRON? If so why u dont kick u ass? jockes by side we have build all our capitals self end we have all Capital BPO¦s we dont need trust or someone else to build that for us so this attak have no real effect on our produktion in this case i would say mission faild but u kill some of our poses and that why u will pay for and belive me we wont forget it be sure our next invasion of the ASCN systems is in planing and i am sure u will like this So then whyd you buy the Mothership from Trust? ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Sochin	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:03:00 - [121] Unintelligent people may not realize that it makes good military sense to limit the spread of Motherships to our enemies. If TRUST is building and selling motherships to G, then obviously it is our best interest (And that of our allies) to remove TRUST's capability to do this. Unintelligent people may not understand that BoB is always looking and planning ahead, and that every operation we do does not necessarily have to be centered around blowing up enemy ships. Blowing up enemy industrial centers (Or even neutral industrial centers that supply our enemies) will hurt them more in the long run then if we managed to destroy 100 G battleships in the same time frame. Of course, I would rather fight G alone, and have some tremendous battles. However, if we did that we probably wouldn't be able to destroy the large number of POS we need to in the time frame set for this operation. Simply put, for the unintelligent people who can't be bothered to read or understand what I just said: There is more going on here then a strong alliance picking on a weak industrial alliance. While we hope that G wil muster the capacity to fight us, this operation is not about looking for fights. It is about blowing up Capital Shipyards and other industrial POS, and prehaps taking control of the Outpost (Although I have no clue what is planned for it). www.adrenalade.com/images/sochinsig.jpg[/img] Nemo me impune lacessit Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
R Dan	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:03:00 - [122] Edited by: R Dan on 02/04/2006 23:05:29 Edited by: R Dan on 02/04/2006 23:03:35 Originally by: Vince Draken Quote: 2006.04.02 20:49:44 combat Your Dual Giga Pulse Laser I places an excellent hit on Caldari Control Tower [ASW]<G>, inflicting 10216.7 damage. I must have gotten lost, or was that a G tower in EC? But but but..... unles I'm mistaken there was also a POLYtope POS in EC...does that mean they are G's alts too . and yes you folks were refused docking access after you shot at us. all it needed to restore those was to promise not to do it again. as for us selling G/whoever a mothership. well so what.We would happily sell a mothership to you too, anyone of you if you have the isk... we've sold to thousands of players....are they G's alts too? i seriosuly doubt we've never sold one of your pilots a ship/mod at some point....are you G's alts aswell! OMG I've stumbled onto something here ASCN/BoB/everyone else are all G's alts too! for the trust aledgedly being seen in a system with a G fleet. "enemy of my enemy is my friend" perhaps? by that point the folks they were fighting were already hostile. we were neutral. we NAP'd anyone and everyone that we could, and did our best to not start any conflicts, some did start but none were started by us - and we did all that was reasonably possible to not let it happen. We would like to be neutral again, we've done our best to live up to that neutrality, only fighting those who have come to our industry areas, shot us and not appologised still. Its an effective show of force, congrats go to the allainces that made this possible. Is all this rubbish necessary though? the lies, and the smacktalk, and the insults? I'd say no....but then I'm no forum warrior I will save you, but make sure you bring beer - Wrangler and cAKe - Imaran I thought it was bREe, omgi'mgivingawaymodroomsecwetsftl - Cortes when come back ... bring PIE. Me like PIE. -Capsicum
R Dan	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:06:00 - [123] Originally by: Sochin Unintelligent people may not realize that it makes good military sense to limit the spread of Motherships to our enemies. If TRUST is building and selling motherships to G, then obviously it is our best interest (And that of our allies) to remove TRUST's capability to do this. Unintelligent people may not understand that BoB is always looking and planning ahead, and that every operation we do does not necessarily have to be centered around blowing up enemy ships. Blowing up enemy industrial centers (Or even neutral industrial centers that supply our enemies) will hurt them more in the long run then if we managed to destroy 100 G battleships in the same time frame. Of course, I would rather fight G alone, and have some tremendous battles. However, if we did that we probably wouldn't be able to destroy the large number of POS we need to in the time frame set for this operation. Simply put, for the unintelligent people who can't be bothered to read or understand what I just said: There is more going on here then a strong alliance picking on a weak industrial alliance. While we hope that G wil muster the capacity to fight us, this operation is not about looking for fights. It is about blowing up Capital Shipyards and other industrial POS, and prehaps taking control of the Outpost (Although I have no clue what is planned for it). post with your main please. no alts here I will save you, but make sure you bring beer - Wrangler and cAKe - Imaran I thought it was bREe, omgi'mgivingawaymodroomsecwetsftl - Cortes when come back ... bring PIE. Me like PIE. -Capsicum
Doragee	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:12:00 - [124] Fine...so you're planning to do the same to all neutral producers like ISS or who they all are as well? 'Cause what makes them NOT to sell to G/IRON, even through alts maybe? So noone can be "safe" by claiming to be neutral even IF they're neutral?
Jurushy	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:12:00 - [125] Originally by: Sochin Unintelligent people may not realize that it makes good military sense to limit the spread of Motherships to our enemies. If TRUST is building and selling motherships to G, then obviously it is our best interest (And that of our allies) to remove TRUST's capability to do this. Unintelligent people may not understand that BoB is always looking and planning ahead, and that every operation we do does not necessarily have to be centered around blowing up enemy ships. Blowing up enemy industrial centers (Or even neutral industrial centers that supply our enemies) will hurt them more in the long run then if we managed to destroy 100 G battleships in the same time frame. Of course, I would rather fight G alone, and have some tremendous battles. However, if we did that we probably wouldn't be able to destroy the large number of POS we need to in the time frame set for this operation. Simply put, for the unintelligent people who can't be bothered to read or understand what I just said: There is more going on here then a strong alliance picking on a weak industrial alliance. While we hope that G wil muster the capacity to fight us, this operation is not about looking for fights. It is about blowing up Capital Shipyards and other industrial POS, and prehaps taking control of the Outpost (Although I have no clue what is planned for it). he i bouild my next BIG ship (u know i am someone who have billions of isk) by my own in an other system why u dont try to stop me
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:17:00 - [126] Originally by: Doragee Fine...so you're planning to do the same to all neutral producers like ISS or who they all are as well? 'Cause what makes them NOT to sell to G/IRON, even through alts maybe? So noone can be "safe" by claiming to be neutral even IF they're neutral? I think we'll keep our plans to ourselves for now thanks. You can however rest assured that there are further plans in the pipeline which should keep you all entertained on the forums for a while longer Eve Blacklight Style
Doragee	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:23:00 - [127] Nice...i love being entertained while @work...
R Dan	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:25:00 - [128] Originally by: Blacklight some altish omg another one ! go back to your main before posting please! more seriously I'm now sorry to say I flew for BNC some months ago. I enjoyed my time there, but now i see that everything people said about you/us back then is true. ASCNs unfounded belief that we are alts / a production wing of G I could just about stomach - they've a personal vendetta against us since a long while back, XETIC/IF days that started. but BNC too, thats to much - find another excuse guys please. I KNOW we've sold ships and equipment to BoB, does that make you G's alts too? maybe G or IRON should have killed us then for selling to the enemy? understand that this is a game. if you wanted some easy targets, then say you wanted some easy targets -ie trust. dont hide behind "politics" or lies. It makes me sick I will save you, but make sure you bring beer - Wrangler and cAKe - Imaran I thought it was bREe, omgi'mgivingawaymodroomsecwetsftl - Cortes when come back ... bring PIE. Me like PIE. -Capsicum
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:29:00 - [129] Originally by: R Dan .....understand that this is a game.....It makes me sick It is a game, don't get sick about it. You're entitled to your views and opinions of course but we differ on them. Our reasons for doing this have been clearly stated I don't think we expected you or G to agree with them regardless of what we know. Eve Blacklight Style
Sochin	Posted - 2006.04.02 23:31:00 - [130] Originally by: Jurushy Originally by: Sochin Unintelligent people may not realize that it makes good military sense to limit the spread of Motherships to our enemies. If TRUST is building and selling motherships to G, then obviously it is our best interest (And that of our allies) to remove TRUST's capability to do this. Unintelligent people may not understand that BoB is always looking and planning ahead, and that every operation we do does not necessarily have to be centered around blowing up enemy ships. Blowing up enemy industrial centers (Or even neutral industrial centers that supply our enemies) will hurt them more in the long run then if we managed to destroy 100 G battleships in the same time frame. Of course, I would rather fight G alone, and have some tremendous battles. However, if we did that we probably wouldn't be able to destroy the large number of POS we need to in the time frame set for this operation. Simply put, for the unintelligent people who can't be bothered to read or understand what I just said: There is more going on here then a strong alliance picking on a weak industrial alliance. While we hope that G wil muster the capacity to fight us, this operation is not about looking for fights. It is about blowing up Capital Shipyards and other industrial POS, and prehaps taking control of the Outpost (Although I have no clue what is planned for it). he i bouild my next BIG ship (u know i am someone who have billions of isk) by my own in an other system why u dont try to stop me Sure, we'll blow up another of your Dreads. I wasn't there, but I heard the first one made an impressive boom. www.adrenalade.com/images/sochinsig.jpg[/img] Nemo me impune lacessit Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
newfacex	Posted - 2006.04.03 00:10:00 - [131] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: newfacex Originally by: Tiuwaz an alt telling ppl to grow balls not an alt. thank you. 21 days old University of Caille - 2006.03.12 20:56:00 no other corps how exactly are you not an alt? so now you cant be 21days old and not be your main character?
Nooey	Posted - 2006.04.03 00:28:00 - [132] Not in this section of the forums no. ____

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.04.03 00:38:00 - [133] Originally by: Brisi This thread has become smackalicius. I predict that Abdalion will be in here before long, at least I hope so. Business as usual in the Corps and Orgs forums. Locked for flaming. Click. ___


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