You can always just log off

You can always just log off

Invest in a couple of smartbombing battleships or gank the bumper.

-A ship can bump your freighter and hold your freighter indefinitely. For hours if they want to and you can not align and warp out. You can not retaliate by webbing or scramming in any way without going criminal in high sec.

I can scram and web your ship and hold it for hours, why isn't that an exploit?

Logging off does not work. Your ship won't ewarp unless it can align. The bumping prevents that.

I'll give you the same response I've given every other 'Stop the Evil gankers' thread:


STOP assuming you can slowboat/autopilot your freighter with all your goodies and all your alliance's buddies stuff through high sec all on your onesie and be completely safe. You want to be safe from Gankers? Put the SAME or more effort into being safe as they are putting into ganking you.


Wanna know what the basics of a gank are?


1 or more scouts
1 or more haulers
4 or more gankers


At least 6 characters.


No, you cannot have a ship that is 100% safe from 6 characters focused on killing it. You want to be safe? Bring your buddies with you to escort you. What does it take for High Sec players in particular to realize that we've not been lying? Eve is designed to be played with people. The individual will ALWAYS be at greater risk. Want to be Safe? Play Eve the way it was meant to be: With friends. Safety in Numbers. Like a school of anchovies.


/Thread.

Use safe log off... and fix safe log off so it is not hurt/canceled by another ship bumping you!

Still the problem with this is that the bumper can not be attacked without the defenders going criminal. It doesn't matter how many scouts or buddies you bring with you because the bumper is protected by CONCORD.

mass wise frigates and smaller ships should just "fly on the windowscreen" on capital size ships and since freighters are capital size they should be bump immune to anything but other caps and perhaps battleships which would hold the nessesary mass x speed to make some form of differance

You're missing the point. If you have your own friends:

A) You can counter bump

B) You can web yourself into warp

C) You will not likely be ganked because the chance of success is too low

D) you can sacrifice a 10m isk cruiser to kill the bumper(gank it) and save the freighter

E) your playbook actually has some plays in it rather than sit there until they get bored or kill you

F) You can recover some of the drop, or else destroy all of it and deny them their prize

G) At least then you TRIED to do it right. And yeah, even then sometimes a gank will still succeed.

H) ANYTHING is better than being a cow lead to the slaughter house.

The point is that it is a loophole in the CrimeWatch system. They are clearly committing an aggressive act but it is not flagged as so. CONCORD does not allow aggressive acts such as scramming or webbing in high sec, yet for a freighter it is essentially the same thing. Either the loophole needs to be corrected or freighters need a slight buff. Like I mentioned in the original post, one solution would be to allow micro jump drives on freighter.

You cannot counter-bump a destroyer.
Webbing doesn't help if you are bumped.
People gank for tears, not for necessarily for profits.
You sacrifice several cruisers, who cannot insta-kill a destroyer with sufficient transveral, to kill off several bumpers.
I have no counter to E because I don't understand what you are talking about.
You normally cannot recover anything because either the ganker destroy the wreck or loot it.
Trying is no counter to this.
As a freighter, you always are a (potential) cow that is led to the slaughter house.

As much as it pains me to say it, and being someone who has freighter pilots in High Sec: this is not an exploit.

That said, the real problem is why such a large kinetic energy transfer from a fast moving small object impacting a larger object causes no damage could address the issue easily. Reducing the effectiveness of bumping (by taking into account the aether that exists in the eve universe - why you come to a stop if you turn your engines off and why you do not accelerate to C) and adding a kinetic threshold which if broken causes damage to both ships and flags the aggressor - the faster moving ship impacting the slower, as suspect.

I don't really think something like this would make it into EVE Online, but it would be interesting way to resolve high sec bumping with impunity overall.

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The point is Freighters are fine. CrimeWatch works fine. Have a friend in a vigilant with you dual webs. Those webs will get you into warp as fast as the vigilant can lock. It's not a loop hole. It's a change. Adapt.

Again, Stop assuming you can be perfectly safe. Adapt to the Evolving Eve.

The webs do not work if you get bumped even once because the alignment is gone. If they touch you before the webs get on the freighter, the exploit is on.

Also, I am not assuming I am perfectly safe. In the original post I said (paraphrase),"If they showed up on grid with the gank squad and a tackler, scrammed you and destroyed you all before CONCORD showed up that would be fine." But instead they can use the bumping exploit to make it much easier for them as for the "tackler" can not be attacked

So why can't your friend (Who would solve all your problems if you brought him along) Not bump you toward station? That would get your accel up right quick yeah? And then... oh... IDK webs then warp?

Bumping someone causing suspect will never happen. I would make people in Jita bump me on accident so I could kill them and I doubt I'm the only one that would.


Edit: mistyped

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In the original post, I suggested turning this feature off around stations for a certain radius.

ok ill sit on 0 at mining belts so they bump into me and I get free miner kills.