I didn't say you said ganking must not be allowed - I was using ganking synonymously with bumping.
You have no right to state that, you don't have the faintest idea (well actually only the faintest idea) the system you have to setup to successfully locate, immobilize, execute and loot a gank. Any error in any of the procedures and you have wasted all your time, potentially flopped 1b isk down the drain if the gank goes wrong.

This is like exactly like people with no knowledge within software development complaining about bugs in a game and "how ******* difficult can it be to just get it right?".
How about you go out and do some freighter ganking, then come back and tell me:

1. That it was easy as ****
2. And how every single freighter you ganked could not just have been insta-webbed and got away from you.

Now your fleet is locked from doing anything and the characters in the fleet are locked from doing anything until next dt comes. This is great gameplay right? Now are you going to bring ships to gank these bumpers?

You are evading the issue, lets put it this way, bl maelstrom fleet from some weird reason decide to undock from jita to gank a cfc titan (i know you're not allowed to attack cfc titans but humor me), while you undock a goon fleet of same size comes out and starts bumping the maelstroms, for some reason the maelstroms happen to have a 45 second align time and as such, one goon can keep one maelstrom locked from getting into warp indefinately by bumping said maelstrom (this is how it goes with freighters).

Now your fleet is locked from doing anything and the characters in the fleet are locked from doing anything until next dt comes. This is great gameplay right? Now are you going to bring ships to gank these bumpers?

I would dock up.
Then I would undock.
Then I would warp to my insta undock bookmark.

~creativity~

u must be assuming the freighter be afk. in which case, its owner must surely not mind being held indefinitly, since he doesnt even know. and even then the freighter cannot be held indefinitly, as DT kicks in every 24 hours.

If the freighter pilot is active however; he can log off or eject, he is in no way a prisoner. seeing as the freighter is not being held for any specific purposes like suicide ganks, he will be allowed to log off safely. Or if it is being held for a purpose within the game, then its being held for a purpose within the game, so thats fine.

Freighter doesn't need to be afk to be bumped forever. Logging off or DT does not allow the freighter to escape. What you are saying here, is that if one person or multiple persons decides to hellcamp a freighter's logoff point in hisec, that this is okay, and the freighter pilot has no recourse but to eject or self destruct in order to escape, or wait out his harassers, potentially forever.

While I have described an extreme situation, certainly, but my point is to illustrate that a limit should exist (and does exist) even if that limit is subjective.

Can't dock when bumped to 200kmk off the station, stop evading the issue. The end result will be the same if you've just jumped through a stargate and start getting bumped.

edit: Estrella , stop evading the issue

Problem is, the limit has no effect on freighters as there is no way of escaping the situation and having it occur again later. Only way for the ruling on bumping relating to miner bumpage to have effect on freighters is if attempting to warp away is deemed an escape and consequent bumps to be harrassing.

But this is another can of worms to open and as such a clear ruling from ccp on how bumping and harrassing relate to freighters in hisec would be needed.

You're the one avoiding the issue. I just told you. Virtually any freighter is uncatchable with a webbing alt.

You are not answering the question, that is avoiding the issue.

Edit: just to add, you are basicly saying, a freighter needs to always have a webbing alt or it g¦¦e¦¦t¦¦s¦¦ can be ganked (you earlier said you gank empty freighters for testing purposes).

Tbh, i think ccp saying "upto 20 minutes is okay" would be great, with the sudden influx of idiots bumping freighters going up ccp would be forced to think about something.

Well thank God, heavens, lord almighty and Bob that you are not in CCP or the GM team. Cause you might actually singlehandedly wreck EVE with whatever other ideas you might have to "fix eve".

- But it's nice to see you agree now.

Fixed that for you.
Just like a bumping character needs some friends to gank the freighter. The freighter needs someone to make it almost ungankable/uncatchable.

Fixed that for you.
Just like a bumping character needs some friends to gank the freighter. The freighter needs someone to make it almost ungankable/uncatchable.

Bumping a freighter does not require a friend, .

Is 20 minutes too short for you to get your ganking buddies? HTFU?

Can't dock when bumped to 200kmk off the station, stop evading the issue. The end result will be the same if you've just jumped through a stargate and start getting bumped.

edit: Estrella , stop evading the issue

Dear ammzi, there is no time limit you idiot. Stop being dumb. For it to become harrassment, you need to be able to get away. That is the ccp ruling. And what is indefinite time in the end, is it me saying "you're stuck here forever" or is it enough if i say "you're stuck till my bro's come back from china to gank you", or is keeping someone thisway for 5 minutes enough already ?

Is 20 minutes too short for you to get your ganking buddies? HTFU?

CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit.

And stop being an imbecile with your whiny "web it web it webit", webbing isn't a natural mechanic,

And stop being an imbecile with your whiny "web it web it webit", webbing isn't a natural mechanic, freighters can't be designed around same corp alts webbing them, that is imbalanced and poor design. It's as stupid as your inability to answer to my question still.

What you mean is that your NPC freighter pilot designed to avoid war decs, cannot be webbed without punishment. Shame that, but then NPC corps do have some disadvantages.

Thanks for making this clear, can't argue with webs when they can't be used eh. Whats the disadvantage for an npc corp bumper btw?