-1 All incursion flleets would become Battleship/Logi only, and noobs would never have a way of getting into incursions. Hard enough now for them to get into as is.

And who is forcing you? Your not being forced to it would be the optimal thing to do. T3s can still be effectivly used in vgs, eg the legion/zealot nco fleets. My problem isn't that you have to use cruisers although that is annoying, my problem is that because you have to have cruisers in fleet for the other sites are completed slower as a result.

The only real solution I see would be removing the restriction on the gate so that you would not have to change your ship type in order to run the majority of the sites optimally.

-1 All incursion flleets would become Battleship/Logi only, and noobs would never have a way of getting into incursions. Hard enough now for them to get into as is.

In short, the mechanic is bad. It was likely designed to force fleets to take newbies, but has ended up forcing people out of the site type entirely. When you look at the EHP/isk ratios, the other two assault sites take top prize, with the sniper heavy

Look at it this way . If something works then it is used . if it does not then it is not used . NCN's are not used . It does not matter what the intentions of the developers were when they designed the site . What matters is that they are not used . What matters also is that a very simple and small change would make them used . Best regards Kodavor .

It is not being used (at least not often) because it doesn't fit into the optimal isk/hr ratio that all Incursion FCs use. So basically this boils down to the fact that it cuts into your incursion effiecincy rating, so you don't do the site. The site CAN be done, you Incursioners just choose not to do it becaue it isn't optimal.

With that reasoning scout sites, losec incursions, nullsec incursions should be gotten rid of too; and any other activity that isn't used often.

Posting in a stealth buff incursions thread.

It is not being used (at least not often) because it doesn't fit into the optimal isk/hr ratio that all Incursion FCs use. So basically this boils down to the fact that it cuts into your incursion effiecincy rating, so you don't do the site. The site CAN be done, you Incursioners just choose not to do it becaue it isn't optimal.

With that reasoning scout sites, losec incursions, nullsec incursions should be gotten rid of too; and any other activity that isn't used often.

Posting in a stealth buff incursions thread.

Both Lowsec and nullsec incursions are ran more often then you think although i do agree scout sites should gotten rid of they serve no purpose

All Incursion sites are useful. It is thay FCs can't be arsed to have their people reship to fit the site conditions. Need more sites like the NCN. Noobs do not have to be new players in particular. Not every player trains up to fly a BS with T2 guns. Some train straight for a T3 cruiser as it is less of a train.

The site is doable. People just CHOOSE not to do it because it is not optimal. Ya'll just complaining because it cuts into your profit margins when you dont have enough people to run HQs, and there is a wall of NCNs.

99% of the PVE in this game needs attention but the EVE trillionairs club aka the caravan of isk want their **** fixed so they can get richer, fine....any fix of incursions should also come with the removal of it from highsec......move it to lowsec...it needs it.

It's very clear that there is something wrong with assaults if there wasn't why do you see a system that has all NCNs and next to no one in the system. NCNs are the sole problem and they need to be changed we have been waiting long enough just do something to make them on par with the other sites.

99% of the PVE in this game needs attention but the EVE trillionairs club aka the caravan of isk want their **** fixed so they can get richer, fine....any fix of incursions should also come with the removal of it from highsec......move it to lowsec...it needs it.

Totally agree with this statement. The Risk vs Reward for Incursions needs fixing more than anything else. Fix that and I could get behind this "Make My Incursions Easier" thread.

I think this is more of an indication that there is something wrong with the players that run incursions. Just accept slightly slower site completion times for the other sites and run the NCNs with your properly balanced fleet of BS/T3/Logi. Or don't do assaults.

I run assaults more than any other type of site personally. Is the ISK/hr as good? No. But that's not what I am looking for when I run incursions. For people that are looking to maximize their ISK/hr then assaults are a bad choice. It's almost like this game is about choices.

Currently half of the Incursion expansion is unused, Scout sites pay so little they are less profitable than belt hopping and killing Roid Rats in 1.0, Assaults come to a full stop when the NCN wall hits, the lower pay is not what's stopping them from running the sites, it's the cruiser requirement. All of them can fly Cruisers, most of them fly Cruisers better than they do BS's, the problem is the duration of an Incursion is so short that taking the time to fly 30js to get there then 60js to go get a cruiser to accomplish one site out of 10 is just not worth it.

Adding the gate privilege to allow BS's or even a limited number of BS's (Say 2 or 3)would make an assault fleet feasible as a long term fleet solution, meaning less bored players, less boredom Mom Pops, and more access for the people waiting to participate.

I agree. The mechanic is very bad. It would make more sense to allow BS hulls into both sides of the NCN and then restrict VGs to BC hulls and smaller. And then modify the difficulty and the rewards of Assault and VG sites accordingly so they are about equally hard and equally rewarding if run with a proper fleet. Then people can decide which style of game play they prefer and join the appropriate fleet type.

I would rather see smaller hulls made useful by the nature of the targets in a site than through gate restrictions. But I can't think of a good way to do that without nerfing the web bonuses on the Vindi and Bhaalgorn. Bonuses which I feel give them unique and legitimate roles in other areas, like PVP.