It would be probably more successful to just remove 1 pocked(or reduce the spawns on both sites a bit) and cut the amount of sniper targets in the last pocket in halve. I have spend quite a few hours in NCNs the last week again, and a good cruiser side team(3 Tier 3 BCs, 1 Loki, all more or less maxed out and fully gank fitted) can beat the BS most of the time and if you lack good snipers, you will always wait on the snipers to finish the last pocket, since all the ships that doing the cruiser pockets will be cqc and gank fitted, giving you a lot more dps on the close range stuff in the last pocket. On the other hand, to many sniper setups on the BS pockets slow you down to much, you will be a lot slower than the cruisers. From the DPS pov the tier 3 BCs deliver nearly as much punch as a BS, the only drawback is that you need pilots that can fly both and bring both to adjust your fleet for NCNs.

That would require greater game mechanic changes than to simply lift ship restrictions on a gate . In this case the restriction lift would solve the issue .

While this is true that it would be easier to implement, it wouldn't change much, you only save yourself the time to reship. In the end however you would still need 3-4 DPS close range hulls for the cruiser pockets and you would still have the issue that to much sniper ships slow you down in the first 3 pockets while not bringing enough slow you down in the last one. However making it attractive for people that bring the right setup, by doing the site faster than the others, would create a similar situation like with NCO focused fleets vs NMC/OTA focused fleets in VGs.This would fix the main problem that it is the slowest site for any kind of fleet, no matter how you set up your fleet(by around 20-40% slower from my experience, if you use a good setup).

+1
ISN needs sites they can fly ;)
No seriously.

I don't really see an issue with the cruiser/BS split. That's what T3's are for.

As much as I like how it keeps Assaults open to people willing to bring along 3-4 T3's I understand that this is a source of frustration for many so I would not be opposed to this change.

It would not prevent the pilots to do them in cruisers . Anything but . IT would allow pilots to do the sites in any ship of their choice .

Which of course means that everyone will (be forced to) just bring BS's like they currently do in VGs.

-1 All incursion flleets would become Battleship/Logi only, and noobs would never have a way of getting into incursions. Hard enough now for them to get into as is.

And who is forcing you? Your not being forced to it would be the optimal thing to do. T3s can still be effectivly used in vgs, eg the legion/zealot nco fleets. My problem isn't that you have to use cruisers although that is annoying, my problem is that because you have to have cruisers in fleet for the other sites are completed slower as a result.

The only real solution I see would be removing the restriction on the gate so that you would not have to change your ship type in order to run the majority of the sites optimally.

-1 All incursion flleets would become Battleship/Logi only, and noobs would never have a way of getting into incursions. Hard enough now for them to get into as is.

In short, the mechanic is bad. It was likely designed to force fleets to take newbies, but has ended up forcing people out of the site type entirely. When you look at the EHP/isk ratios, the other two assault sites take top prize, with the sniper heavy

Look at it this way . If something works then it is used . if it does not then it is not used . NCN's are not used . It does not matter what the intentions of the developers were when they designed the site . What matters is that they are not used . What matters also is that a very simple and small change would make them used . Best regards Kodavor .

It is not being used (at least not often) because it doesn't fit into the optimal isk/hr ratio that all Incursion FCs use. So basically this boils down to the fact that it cuts into your incursion effiecincy rating, so you don't do the site. The site CAN be done, you Incursioners just choose not to do it becaue it isn't optimal.

With that reasoning scout sites, losec incursions, nullsec incursions should be gotten rid of too; and any other activity that isn't used often.

Posting in a stealth buff incursions thread.

It is not being used (at least not often) because it doesn't fit into the optimal isk/hr ratio that all Incursion FCs use. So basically this boils down to the fact that it cuts into your incursion effiecincy rating, so you don't do the site. The site CAN be done, you Incursioners just choose not to do it becaue it isn't optimal.

With that reasoning scout sites, losec incursions, nullsec incursions should be gotten rid of too; and any other activity that isn't used often.

Posting in a stealth buff incursions thread.

Both Lowsec and nullsec incursions are ran more often then you think although i do agree scout sites should gotten rid of they serve no purpose

All Incursion sites are useful. It is thay FCs can't be arsed to have their people reship to fit the site conditions. Need more sites like the NCN. Noobs do not have to be new players in particular. Not every player trains up to fly a BS with T2 guns. Some train straight for a T3 cruiser as it is less of a train.

The site is doable. People just CHOOSE not to do it because it is not optimal. Ya'll just complaining because it cuts into your profit margins when you dont have enough people to run HQs, and there is a wall of NCNs.

99% of the PVE in this game needs attention but the EVE trillionairs club aka the caravan of isk want their **** fixed so they can get richer, fine....any fix of incursions should also come with the removal of it from highsec......move it to lowsec...it needs it.

It's very clear that there is something wrong with assaults if there wasn't why do you see a system that has all NCNs and next to no one in the system. NCNs are the sole problem and they need to be changed we have been waiting long enough just do something to make them on par with the other sites.

99% of the PVE in this game needs attention but the EVE trillionairs club aka the caravan of isk want their **** fixed so they can get richer, fine....any fix of incursions should also come with the removal of it from highsec......move it to lowsec...it needs it.

Totally agree with this statement. The Risk vs Reward for Incursions needs fixing more than anything else. Fix that and I could get behind this "Make My Incursions Easier" thread.

I think this is more of an indication that there is something wrong with the players that run incursions. Just accept slightly slower site completion times for the other sites and run the NCNs with your properly balanced fleet of BS/T3/Logi. Or don't do assaults.

I run assaults more than any other type of site personally. Is the ISK/hr as good? No. But that's not what I am looking for when I run incursions. For people that are looking to maximize their ISK/hr then assaults are a bad choice. It's almost like this game is about choices.

Currently half of the Incursion expansion is unused, Scout sites pay so little they are less profitable than belt hopping and killing Roid Rats in 1.0, Assaults come to a full stop when the NCN wall hits, the lower pay is not what's stopping them from running the sites, it's the cruiser requirement. All of them can fly Cruisers, most of them fly Cruisers better than they do BS's, the problem is the duration of an Incursion is so short that taking the time to fly 30js to get there then 60js to go get a cruiser to accomplish one site out of 10 is just not worth it.

Adding the gate privilege to allow BS's or even a limited number of BS's (Say 2 or 3)would make an assault fleet feasible as a long term fleet solution, meaning less bored players, less boredom Mom Pops, and more access for the people waiting to participate.

I agree. The mechanic is very bad. It would make more sense to allow BS hulls into both sides of the NCN and then restrict VGs to BC hulls and smaller. And then modify the difficulty and the rewards of Assault and VG sites accordingly so they are about equally hard and equally rewarding if run with a proper fleet. Then people can decide which style of game play they prefer and join the appropriate fleet type.

I would rather see smaller hulls made useful by the nature of the targets in a site than through gate restrictions. But I can't think of a good way to do that without nerfing the web bonuses on the Vindi and Bhaalgorn. Bonuses which I feel give them unique and legitimate roles in other areas, like PVP.

Because 'It's broke don't fix it' is always a great way to approach things.

Trillionairs? Really? You don't know anything at all about Incursion running do you? Just assuming that since there's ISK to be made it must be easy, risk free and plentiful. Ships that would make a PVP'er weep for not being on a kill-board die every day in Incursions. Yes, usually due to the fault of the pilot (But that's no different than anywhere else in eve), it's expensive replacing these ships and downgrading reduces the chance of getting into fleet. For the most part I find Incursion runners to be the most altruistic players in Eve I have members that give away billions to help someone get into the right ship and fit. Not fake giveaways like ISK doublers, actually giving the ISK away and telling the recipient to pay it forward.

It makes absolutely no sense at all, 'Move it to low sec'? There's already a metric ton of unused content in low sec? And every time we do a Low Sec it's a small group the grinds to the MOM and then leaves immediately. So your solution is add more useless PVE and make it pay less overall?

Also youre right bout lowsec, move it to 00 instead.

Lamb.

Do either of you actually FC Incursions.

Who is asking to make it easier? All they were asking is to modify the current content so more people can be included in the use of the content.

Puh-leeze. OP is asking for one site to be made easier so they don't have to reship and do a wall of NCNs.

It is obvious that the Risk vs Rewards in regards to Incursions is broken if the majority of your fleet is flying fits worth over 1bil isk with isk they earned from doing Incursions. I have done Incursions. Most boring fleets I have been a part of in my time in EVE. It is literally an anchor on FC, follow the tags, and press F1. About as boring as sov warfare grinding. Sure you may have people lose a ship from time to time, but it doesn't happen often. Incursion pilots can easily earn 100mil an hour, and that isn't even including the CONCORD LP. They brag about the millions of CONCORD LP they own, and how pimped their ships are. So yeah, Risk vs. Reward not balanced.

Really? FCs investing hours organizing fleets out of the goodness of their hearts? Yeah. Right. The only reason somebody puts in that much time into one activity in EVE is because they know it will payoff big in the long run.

I only have one goal in EVE. Have fun. The friends I have made over my time in EVE (which are many) are an added incentive.

What I do not like to see in this game are changes made just to benefit one type of playstyle. Instead of adapting to the game, the OP wants the game to adapt to his playstyle so it benefits him and the people he flies with. Which is not within the sandbox concept that is EVE.

So you would have rather seen people adapt to the old Titian AOE DD than have CCP balance it, right?

The OP simply wants ONE assault site brought back in line with the rest of them. This change will not effect the current max isk/hr people can make, but open up other sites for smaller fleets to run.

Also, why are you bitter about the isk one can make running Incursions? Anyone with the right fit / ship can do it. And it definitely isn't as safe or as profitable as station trading.

So you would have rather seen people adapt to the old Titian AOE DD than have CCP balance it, right?

The OP simply wants ONE assault site brought back in line with the rest of them. This change will not effect the current max isk/hr people can make, but open up other sites for smaller fleets to run.

Also, why are you bitter about the isk one can make running Incursions? Anyone with the right fit / ship can do it. And it definitely isn't as safe or as profitable as station trading.

I endorse the first post!

+9,000!

Personally I like the idea of NCNs requiring specialisation of ship types and would actually like that to be the case for more sites, but for now as an easy, seemingly simple fix just remove 1-2 of the pockets to bring it in-line with the other assault sites.

Ye na,
so basically it sounds like your bad, im bad, ccp is bad,
Is there too much drama in incursions these days to actually do other sites besides ncn's?
do more ncns you'll get better at them,
Lol @ toscare last room dps

Personally I like the idea of NCNs requiring specialisation of ship types and would actually like that to be the case for more sites, but for now as an easy, seemingly simple fix just remove 1-2 of the pockets to bring it in-line with the other assault sites.

Thank you for reiterating what I had said earlier. I think this change would be more in line and extremely reasonable.