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Malloy
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Malloy on 15/09/2003 16:01:06
In the event of an all out war between Amarr and Minmatar, would the thus far neutral caldarians and gallenteans come in on either side?
and if so, which one?
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:45:00 -
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I'd stage a love-in in my dominix
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2003.09.15 15:39:00 -
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I'd love to come in on the side of the Gallente, but atm I am med-bay bound by this strange rash that I started getting after I met with a Jovian. Anyone have an idea about it?
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Malloy
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Posted - 2003.09.15 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Malloy on 15/09/2003 16:02:37
i was thinking about what i was GOING to write. i meant if there was a war between amarr and MINMATAR, who would caldari and gallente pilots side with.
i editted above to try and look less silly 
think i failed
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.15 16:27:00 -
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Minmatar
They have better hair.
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vyperpit
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Posted - 2003.09.15 16:41:00 -
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"oz where is that rash?"
"It is just after that night we spent with each other i have a rash"
"i am seeing the medi council later in the week"
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2003.09.15 16:47:00 -
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Sorry for the confusion, this rash is begining to affect my sleep paterns, I seem so full of energy, yet so tired.
Anyway, in the event of a war breaking out near me, I would have to stay neutral as I have friends of both races involved. Of course, that wouldn't stop me shooting either of them should it be required.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.09.15 16:53:00 -
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Boy Miso you really have been on a wild streak lately. hardin must have kicked you up a notch.
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Idonis Maxamillion
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Posted - 2003.09.15 17:08:00 -
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The gallente and caldari would pick our side the Amarrians becouse we are the seperior faction.
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.15 17:21:00 -
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No, most Gallente would side with the Minmatar Republic, as most of us are against slavery.
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2003.09.15 17:24:00 -
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in all truth, i believe the Gallente would side with us Minmatar people, for we fight for democracy and freedom- beliefs the Gallente's hold very dear. The Caldari would side with the Amarr because of the possible profit involved in taking Minmatar territory- their loyalty is easily bought, and with a few isk they will overlook the slavery issue.
also, the chance for either side to fight once again (the Gallente and Caldari are just waiting for a chance to continue their war)would gaurantee them taking opposite sides.
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Adam Edwards
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Posted - 2003.09.15 18:02:00 -
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Actually, while I don't speak for all Caldari, I believe most Caldari would side with the Minmatar.
Caldari ethics are deeply etched in honorable battle, and slavery is the most unhonorable of practices.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.15 18:05:00 -
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The Caldari will side with no one. They will sell to both parties and seek to preserve their industrial complexes in the hearts of every nation.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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AnIntrepidCosmonaut
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Posted - 2003.09.15 19:36:00 -
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Hear Hear
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.09.15 20:11:00 -
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Many a Caldari arms dealer has died at the hands of Minmatar AND Amarr after it was discovered he was selling to both sides.
The only thing that sickens me more than a slaver is a profiteer.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Lecavalier
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Posted - 2003.09.15 21:10:00 -
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in all truth, i believe the Gallente would side with us Minmatar people, for we fight for democracy and freedom- beliefs the Gallente's hold very dear. The Caldari would side with the Amarr because of the possible profit involved in taking Minmatar territory- their loyalty is easily bought, and with a few isk they will overlook the slavery issue.
also, the chance for either side to fight once again (the Gallente and Caldari are just waiting for a chance to continue their war)would gaurantee them taking opposite sides.
Speaking as an individual Gallente, I would hope that any Gallente/Intaki (including myself) that respects our Federation's ideals should side with Minmatar freedom fighters in any potential conflict. I've no doubt there will be differing views, as we are a collective who respect individual rights and opinions... I can only assume that Caldari citizens will also act individually and according to their own conscience (see Adam Edwards/AnIntrepidCosmonaut above).
I personally bear no grudge against the Amarrians as a race, only against the slavers. Many (including the Emperor) have repeatedly demonstrated an enlightened attitude condemning slavery, and may end up fighting at the side of the Minmatar. I sincerely hope that interesting times lie ahead.
Let there be freedom and opportunity for all....
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Talahan
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Posted - 2003.09.16 00:21:00 -
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Gallanteans have close ties with Minmatar Republic. They even helped Minmatars to build some ships. I believe that if there is war between Amarr Empire and Minmatar Republic Gallante Federation sends lots of military hardware and economical support to Minmatar Republic. Many Gallante volunteers also join to fight at ranks of Minmatar fleets.
Caldari stays neutral and tries to make as much as possible profits by selling military hardware at best bidders. Many caldarian mercenaries join both sides and fights at side that pays better.
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Entroph
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Posted - 2003.09.16 01:52:00 -
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My choice of sides would depend on the nature of the war. If it was another Amarr attempt of enslaving the Minmatar people I would undoubtedly side with Minmatar, but if it was some kind of unprovoked Minmatar attack on Amarr, perhaps some underlying rage that needed to be released, I would side with Amarr.
You must realise that Amarr have done things in the past that were genuinely evil, but that doesn't reflect the Amarr of today. Things change, people change, and empires change.
I am of Gaelic descent, and my far ancestors were plagued by an Empire known as "Britain" for hundreds of years. But that fueding ended, and this Empire turned a new leaf. Amarr deserve to be treated as well as any other race, despite their shady history.
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Mallus Kulov
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Posted - 2003.09.16 03:37:00 -
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From the background, Amarr and caldari have closer ties. Gallante and minmatar have similar ties as well, though it began becuase of minmatars gaining higher profiles in the gallante federation.
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.16 07:04:00 -
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I personally bear no grudge against the Amarrians as a race, only against the slavers. Many (including the Emperor) have repeatedly demonstrated an enlightened attitude condemning slavery, and may end up fighting at the side of the Minmatar.
I feel the same way. The Amarrian race truly has a beautiful and rich history. It is only the slavers and religious zealots that bring down a thriving empire's reputation.
And I as well know countless Amarrian and
Ni-Kunni who are fighting alongside others of all races to help stop the dealing and trading of slaves.
I don't even think of this as a racial thing, like "Gallente vs. Amarr". This is about those who support freedom, and those who oppose it.
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Malloy
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Posted - 2003.09.16 13:44:00 -
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I don't even think of this as a racial thing, like "Gallente vs. Amarr". This is about those who support freedom, and those who oppose it.
this is true, but amarrians, by their very nature, support slavery.
did anyone else read that the reason the emperor missed that meeting is because one of his personal slaves escaped from his retreat and had to be tracked down?
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.09.16 13:47:00 -
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Here is my prediction of what will happen if all out war were to happen.
The Gallente will side with the Minmatar, fighting against the Amarr and thier attempting to enslave the Minmatar people once again.
The Caldari State is, after all a business. It will remain neutral to protect it's business investments, however as the forces of the Gallente Federation weaken, it will cast it's eyes upon the territories in Gallente space once owned by the Caldari space. When the time is correct, they will attack and take back what was thiers, and maybe a bit more.
As the Gallente must now pull back to defend against the Caldari, the Minmatar fleets will be destroyed from overwhelming numbers. I am not a fatalist, but a realist. With the Ammatar joining in, we would be outnumbered roughly 5 to 1. In the end, the Gallente Federation will sue for peace to the Amarr Empire, and all of the Minmatar Republic will be conquered.
Then after a short rebuild, the Amarr Empire will attack the Gallente Federation. The Caldai State seeing this will also attack, grabbing what territories it can. The Gallente Federation will fall also.
Now, having 70-75% of the universe for resources the Amarr Empire will build and crush the Caladari State, bringing all under the thumb of Amarr subjugation.
There is only three ways I forsee a different outcome. First, if enough Amarr truely oppose the actions of thier empire that they cause internal conflict, thus distracting the focus of the war and causeing the redirection of fleets.
Two, if the Caldari State joins with the Gallente Federation and the Minmatar Repblic in the opening phases, to drive the Amarr back.
Three, if the Jove seek this moment to renew agressions against the Amaar Empire.
These are of course my opinions reached through study of histories and knowledge of current strengths and weaknesses of the various empires.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.09.16 13:52:00 -
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The Caldari State has joined with the Gallente Federation.
Have you forgotten Crielere and the corruption it brings already?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Ulalume
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Posted - 2003.09.16 14:38:00 -
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I think you over estimate the amount of co=operation between the Caldari State and the Gallente Federation. I have to admit I see Sarkos' predictions are largely making sense. Though I do wonder if the minmatar would be able to hold out more than he predicts, also I see the Amarrians as being largely divided in the event of a war with the Minmatar. Sarum would undoubtable attack, but I wonder at the loyalties of the other heirs.
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Taliranowe Sarum
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Posted - 2003.09.16 15:11:00 -
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The Loyalties of the heirs lies with the emperor.
Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage
"There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and
other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in."
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.16 22:14:00 -
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but amarrians, by their very nature, support slavery.
Like I said, I know plenty of Amarrians and Ni-Kunni who oppose slavery and fight on the side of Minmatar to free the captives. You can't stereotype and say that all Amarrians support slavery. It just isn't true.
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AnIntrepidCosmonaut
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Posted - 2003.09.17 08:30:00 -
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Mr. Sarkos
Your apocalyptic scenario is a terrifying one.
However, you are missing one point;
The Jovians
They will not sit restless if the Amarr will try to conquer the Eve galaxy.
They still hold a large grudge against the Amarr.
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Talahan
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Posted - 2003.09.17 12:33:00 -
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Mr. Sarkos there is some facts against your outcome.
First how you think Amarr is able to conquer someone who is willingly to fight until death? There is only freedom or there is only death.
They can maybe outnumber our fleet in numbers but they can't outnumber our fighting spirit. We are freedom fighters who are defending our homes, families and our personal freedom. They are just conquerors.
Lets not forget that brutor clan marines are best in the EVE world. In our clan there is child warriors too. Lets see how amarr can handle close encounter combat against Minmatar Marines. If we can have help from Gallante Federation fleet we can drop brutor kill squads at every amarr worlds and bring destruction and fear at every amarr worlds.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:26:00 -
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Just how many percent of the Minmatar populace do you reckon to be 'freedom fighters'?
It might be similar to the number of Amarrians actually opposing slavery.
I tend to think both are well below 5%.
The average Minmatar would profit from a return to the fold of the Empire as things would only change for the better for them. I have seen Minmatar slums and the conditions under which most of your populace have to live.
Amarrians are not bloodthirsty beasts torturing their slaves to death.
I despise the very vocal minority that creates this picture here in the summit as much as you do. I surmise that they are wealthy commoners with delusions of power they'll never hold due to their position within our society.
I am a commoner myself. I have served in the legions of the Empire for almost all of my life. My parents were poor workers and signing me up for the legion at the age of six was the best they could do for me. The legion cared for me. The legion educated me. The legion taught me to obey and know my place within the Empire.
I started my career as a lowly Mastati in the imperial groundforcs, fighting for his majesty on dozens of planets. I was willing to sacrifice my life in return for all I had received from the Empire and rose through the enlisted ranks until I carried the standard of the unit and later on the standard of the Empire into battle.
Courage, bravery and unquestionable loyalty made me, a commoner, the child of workers barely above the level of slaves, the captain of imperial frigattes, cruisers and finally battleships.
Those willing to embrace the scriptures and serve the Empire with all they can give are rewarded. Slaves can be raised to the status of commoners as the Ni-Kunni can attest.
There are rumors that commoners, who served the Empire above the call of duty, have even been given a new identity as holders as a reward for their loyalty.
We conquer and enslave in the name of the one and for the glory of the Empire, so much is true. We value loyalty, granted. We are not the beasts the false propaganda of the 'freedom fighters' tries to make us though. The Empire cares for all of it's slaves, commoners and holders. The latter rule and the former serve. I fail to grasp what's 'evil' about that - the Empire brings peace and prosperity to all who embrace it.
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Froztwolf
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Froztwolf on 17/09/2003 14:57:57
We must not forget that the Caldari have long been trying to get mining rights within Ammatar territory which would yield great profits to them. Therefore, I belive the Caldari would side with whoever looks as he is going to control this territory after the war.
We have sympathy and huminatarian values on our side. To bad not everyone seems to value that, let alone be ready to fight for that.
As to the Jovians, they are a wild card and will be nothing more than a speculation at the moment, although they probably do not want a hostile Amarr superpower having conquered all in their backyard any more than anyone else does.
Whatever happens, we will fight and we will fight to the last drop of blood. After all, we have so much more to lose than the Amarr soldiers have to gain.
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