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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1094
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:40:00 -
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I'm a misanthrope in game and IRL.
Because people, what a bunch of bastards... "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
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djentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc.
73
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:21:00 -
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Just a fast comment on this discussion - I don't think there's any room in general for being a "Psychopath" in Eve.
Let me explain.
As a prime example, I will cite my behavior in game. I play in a Factional Warfare corp. That means that other players who are part of the opposing militia are valid war targets to me, and free for me to fire on regardless of where in the universe I happen to come across them. I take that chance, quite often. I've gunned down helpless shuttles on the Jita 4-4 undock, haulers just looking to get their gear back to where they want it, and of course - plenty of targets that are quite good at shooting back. My point is; I'm never a jerk about it. After the battle is over (regardless of if I win or lose) - you'll get a "gf" from me in local, and probably a :) or two if it really was a super fun fight.
I've seen the other side. Players who scream and curse at others when they get blown up, call others all sorts of foul names, make vague personal threats - all over internet spaceships going boom. This is, in my opinion, true "psychopathic" behavior - and I have noticed that most players who act like this don't last long at all. They tend to quit after other players learn "Wow - this guy will scream at you, insult your mother, turn on the CAPS LOCK, then cry, whine, and logoff!" - which makes them super fun to shoot down, as the tears are worth so much more then the killmail :)
It's a game. A game about blowing up internet spaceships. You can be the big bad pirate all you want, engage in ransom and random destruction of everything you see just because you can - but that never means you have to act like a "psychopath" about it. Most of the "bad" guys that I know in eve are actually super nice about it (while they are blowing up your ship). :) |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
163
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:11:00 -
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Veronica Felix wrote:We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials? A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life: ' Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .
'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.
'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj
Are the two realms really so far apart? Destroying other players stuff in this game still represents the destruction of time invested by the victim in acquiring what he had, effectively wasting it. Time is part of the real world, and is irreplaceable.
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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
168
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:34:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Veronica Felix wrote:We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials? A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life: ' Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .
'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.
'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj Are the two realms really so far apart? Destroying other players stuff in this game still represents the destruction of time invested by the victim in acquiring what he had, effectively wasting it. Time is part of the real world, and is irreplaceable.
So if I beat you in monopoly, I'm a bad person because it took you time to aquire that fake money and fake property? "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |

Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
5
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:49:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Are the two realms really so far apart? Destroying other players stuff in this game still represents the destruction of time invested by the victim in acquiring what he had, effectively wasting it. Time is part of the real world, and is irreplaceable.
When we play a strategy game, pass hours and hours (and days for some) to build our empires and these ones are crushed by an AI opponent is it a waste too? IMHO no, since it's a game and we should had fun to build it before it. I know, in a strategy game you can load a previously saved game and go back in time, but in this case you also pass some more time to reconsider your options and strategies, it isn't a waste either. If you undock and lost your ship, first we all know that we should use what we can afford, because in other cases that can be a total pain to goes on the road again from the start, but if you have many iterations of it already it's not the same thing. Second, it's not a waste because we can review our strategy and methods and the weakness in it. If someone think to waste its time playing a game and loosing sometime stuff in it, perhaps it's not a good game for him/her. The fun doing whatever we do is something irreplaceable too. Another and last example; in chess you begin each play with a set of limited assets in which you irremediably know that you will lost some of them over time during the play, and even worst you cannot replace them and must build and deconstruct strategies over time to reach the goal of a check mat. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
16258
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:53:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Are the two realms really so far apart? Destroying other players stuff in this game still represents the destruction of time invested by the victim in acquiring what he had, effectively wasting it. That's kind of the point of playing Eve, when you lose something you have an investment in it, which is why it smarts.
Eve like pretty much any computer game ever made is designed to eat into your time. Gaming in itself can be seen as a waste of time, usually by people who don't game.
Quote:Time is part of the real world, and is irreplaceable. Why are you wasting it playing a video game?
Personally I willing exchange my time for some spaceship based entertainment, knowing full well that someone can relieve me of my stuff if I'm careless enough to let them.
To me, that's not a waste of my time because I make a choice. I don't have to play, I choose to. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10123
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:55:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Andski wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Why everyone is ragging on the Daily Mail when it's an American study they are reporting on is beyond me. U.S. 'science' is publish or perish and corporate funded. That's the real problem. But keep shooting the messenger. It shows most of you didn't even click the link. Mr Epeen  Just gonna say that the British aren't saints when it comes to this either. Ever heard of Andrew Wakefield? LOL at going into offense is the best defense mode. "Yes, we're doing it wrong but It's okay because look at those darn Brits." But gratz on being seemingly the only person that actually understood what I wrote. Mr Epeen 
We understand your point. However its the Daily Mail, a paper that is renowned for its anti game stance. See UK papers are like US mainstream tv news, all opinion and few facts. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1042
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Posted - 2014.02.13 19:22:00 -
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Fairly surprised that somebody didn't see this thread and start another called "In real life I am a psychopath. In EVE I am kind."
Considering that it seems the "in" thing to do as of late. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
16259
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Posted - 2014.02.13 19:42:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Fairly surprised that somebody didn't see this thread and start another called "In real life I am a psychopath. In EVE I am kind."
Considering that it seems the "in" thing to do as of late. They did, it got locked along with its variations.
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Slymah
Reoples
184
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Posted - 2014.02.13 19:48:00 -
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Pong was introduced to western civilization in the early 70's.
Since that time all crime has been reduced by roughly 50% per capita.
This argument is invalid.
Video games clearly reduce all crime. |

Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
384
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:11:00 -
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I think any anonymous situation, particularly on the internet, brings out people's true selves. You've seen them, people road raging or refusing to give up a seat on the bus to an elderly person when nobody knows who they are. Acting in ways they never would if their friends or family were with them. I'm pretty sure the internet is a lot like real life in this respect.
No good deed goes unpunished |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
525
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:39:00 -
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In response to this apparent demand for penance on EvE acts of psychopathy, I am forthwith starting a new EvE religion and church of the glowing dildo.
If you EvE-mail me a complete confession of your in-game sins (accompanied with a small tithing in 100m ISK increments), I will absolve you. While its' true you can trade tags for security status with CONCORD, they will not unburden your soul and give you a clean slate like father Feyd will.
This is not a scam, as I both expect my religious beliefs to be respected and assure you everyone who confesses and tithes as mentioned will indeed receive a certified EvE mail of absolution from yours truly.
Sincerely Feyd Rautha Harkonnen fr. Church of The Glowing Dildo
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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
166
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:01:00 -
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Vedor Teo wrote:Behind the internet, everyone will start to disclose their true self.
This.
Most people don't roleplay -- and in any other context, they would consider it "gay." They are just themselves, "23/7." When you log in, I don't think many people flip a mental switch to "acting mode." If you derive satisfaction out of an activity, that is saying something about yourself.
I think there should be a distinction made though -- most Eve players are just playing a PvP video game. That in and of itself says absolutely nothing substantive about that person. But if you derive enjoyment and actively seek to "extract tears" then yeah, there's probably something wrong with you, imo.
It could say many things also: That you are frustrated in real life and feel the need to take it out on someone else, that you are angry and can't find a healthy way of communicating that to someone you are close to, or that you're just a plain ol' jack--- and Eve's community is a welcoming place for you. xD
My brain is wired differently; I don't see the appeal in some of the darker sides of Eve. But there is good and bad in everyone; I have never met anyone with the capacity to be as abrasive as myself -- I can generally "extract tears" from someone in real life with remarkable ease, but I tend to feel bad about it afterward, and I often do it unintentionally.
So, like most things...it is not a black and white subject. It does annoy me when people use the excuse they're just playing a role; it annoys me because I think they're lying...either to me, themselves, or both. How many people genuinely log into Eve with the intention of roleplaying someone they are not? Do you get into character and stay in character? And even if that were true, what is that saying about you? (In some ways, that sounds worse to me.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
526
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:29:00 -
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rswfire wrote: ... But if you derive enjoyment and actively seek to "extract tears" then yeah, there's probably something wrong with you, imo.
The collection of tears has a context also though, as you full well know the best tears are retributive in nature, putting a ponce in his place as a form of justice in some cases. Your implication that tear collection is solely about griefing is not always accurate.
*whack*.
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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
166
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:33:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:rswfire wrote: ... But if you derive enjoyment and actively seek to "extract tears" then yeah, there's probably something wrong with you, imo.
The collection of tears has a context also though, as you full well know the best tears are retributive in nature, putting a ponce in his place as a form of justice in some cases. Your implication that tear collection is solely about griefing is not always accurate. * whack*.
Raz was not "actively seeking" to extract tears from me. That's not his style, as you very well know. So you are taking what I said out of context in order to drive traffic to your website. In fact, it's not a secret that I respect Raz, long before we were (what did you call it?) frenemies. There's a reason why I made a point of drawing distinctions; I don't think you do well in a world of color. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Deano McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
16
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:36:00 -
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After a short conversation with a friend about the benefits and hazards of the CODE fellows. it did occur to me that the people who seem to consider themselves less conflict-orientated are often the first to resort to name calling and rage.
Case in point: When an unsolicited HighSec WarDec landed on a friend's corp, with no previous communication or contact with the deccer, phrases such as "Lets gut that ****ing **** and teach him a ****ing lesson".
It would seem that some people are under the impression that their rules only apply in one direction.
Don't fool with fools who'll turn away Keep all Good Company Oo Hoo Oo Hoo Take care of those you call your own And keep Good Company |

rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
166
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:49:00 -
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Deano McCandless wrote:After a short conversation with a friend about the benefits and hazards of the CODE fellows. it did occur to me that the people who seem to consider themselves less conflict-orientated are often the first to resort to name calling and rage.
Case in point: When an unsolicited HighSec WarDec landed on a friend's corp, with no previous communication or contact with the deccer, phrases such as "Lets gut that ****ing **** and teach him a ****ing lesson".
It would seem that some people are under the impression that their rules only apply in one direction.
I've given this subject a lot of thought. I'm a very introspective person and I've faced a great deal of conflict in Eve, and I often asked myself what it said about me that I tolerated so much and did not just give up and go play a different game. I think there's probably a lot of truth to what you say here; the page Feyd linked is about an exchange I had with someone over a year ago and my memory of the experience was very different than the reality of the experience...and I only became conscious of that after stumbling across that page much later, the day I left a comment at the bottom of it. I think in the end anyone who plays Eve probably has a part of themselves that is seeking some form of expression...and there are as many reasons why as there are people who play this game. Anyone who plays this game is deriving satisfaction from something, or they wouldn't play it...and they certainly wouldn't defend it with such fervor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
528
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Posted - 2014.02.14 22:07:00 -
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rswfire wrote: if you derive enjoyment and actively seek to "extract tears" then yeah, there's probably something wrong with you ... I don't think you do well in a world of color.
tl:dr: Words mean things. Use them wisely.
Long version: Tear collection has context, you cannot generalize all tear collectors as mentally ill in RL.
For example, I personally love collecting tears from people that refuse to embrace EvE's core axiom of non consensual conflict, or who refuse to treat detonations as learning experiences and instead whine or complain when sploded. In the broader sense where EvE is ultimately a GAME, this doesn't make me mentally ill, just competitive.
Put it this way, I don't respect the soccer player that flops around on the ground faking an injury and moaning to the ref trying to draw a penalty on his opponent, I mock him and his tears the same as I mock the whiny carebear that files petitions or calls for nerfs to the game. If I was on the field with said pansy soccer player, I would in fact target him for EXTRA tackling after such shameful exhibitions, to the ends of one of two goals; either he H's TFU to continue playing in my cherished game, or he quits soccer to go play tiddlywinks (WoW) instead...
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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
167
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Posted - 2014.02.14 22:15:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:rswfire wrote: if you derive enjoyment and actively seek to "extract tears" then yeah, there's probably something wrong with you ... I don't think you do well in a world of color.
tl:dr: Words mean things. Use them wisely. Long version: Tear collection has context, you cannot generalize all tear collectors as mentally ill in RL. For example, I personally love collecting tears from people that refuse to embrace EvE's core axiom of non consensual conflict, or who refuse to treat detonations as learning experiences and instead whine or complain when sploded. In the broader sense where EvE is ultimately a GAME, this doesn't make me mentally ill, just competitive. Put it this way, I don't respect the soccer player that flops around on the ground faking an injury and moaning to the ref trying to draw a penalty on his opponent, I mock him and his tears the same as I mock the whiny carebear that files petitions or calls for nerfs to the game. If I was on the field with said pansy soccer player, I would in fact target him for EXTRA tackling after such shameful exhibitions, to the ends of one of two goals; either he H's TFU to continue playing in my cherished game, or he quits soccer to go play tiddlywinks (WoW) instead... F
Dude, from my point of view, there is nothing you've said to me in this thread I disagree with, and I feel you're saying pretty much exactly what I did, only in a different way. People communicate in different ways. If you look at the overarching theme of my post, I think it's pretty clear that (1) I don't think most people are sociopaths; (2) I think people who solely seek to extract tears from others may have some issues, and that even then that doesn't make them sociopaths (I even provided some example reasons); and (3) I think everyone who plays Eve, including myself, are capable of being a little twisted. But most importantly, I think people are people, and that they are themselves whether they are playing a video game, watching a movie, working, talking to friends, whatever...and that there's no reason why anyone should feel the need to make excuses for their behavior. Put succinctly, it's Eve, and what you do here is a part of who you are, so embrace it instead of trying to justify it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
273
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Posted - 2014.02.14 22:50:00 -
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I just read the title of this thread as "In real life I am EvE, in Kind im a psychopath" Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC |

Zora'e
73
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:44:00 -
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In the grand scheme of things... you are who you are. My personal opinion is that every human being has the seeds of great good or great evil already within them. It is which side of the coin we chose to display at any one time that defines who we are. Nobody is always 'good' or always 'bad'. We are a mix of both traits. Some of us tend to lean more towards being 'good', some of us tend to lean more towards being 'bad'. Some of us straddle the fence. A game doesn't change who you are. You are already who you are. It just allows you to express certain aspects of your overall personality, parts of the good or bad that already exists within you.
In my opinion you can not play 'evil' unless the seeds of that evil exist within you, nor can you play 'good' unless the seeds of that good exist within you. As both of those seeds exist in everyone (in my opinion anyway).. this entire thread is a moot point.
~Zora'e I won't say you are stupid, but you're not exactly on the Zombie menu either. |

Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
331
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:10:00 -
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What the title read in my mind, "In real life I am boring and have no imagination, so in eve I am a miner"
"I will give a biased study report, take it as a god given truth, and warp its results to fit my views on the world."
Anyways even if you are miner or a manufacturer, remember that your playstyle and all of EVE is driven by one thing and one thing only, destruction. So whatever you do you are directly connected to the thing you are calling "mean", and it is hard to have destruction while you are not being a "psychopath".
Anyways EVE is about ships exploding, it is like saying if you kill people in counter strike or kill cops in gta you are a psycopath, that is what the whole game is about.
I am going to go a little philosophical (and ambiguous), let us say you have 2 guys in an army fighting a battle 10 to 1. One looks at the army and scoffs at it and charges on, the other is fearful, he thinks of his chances of his survival and know they are low, hesitates for a second but nevertheless charges on. Who he is actually brave? Imo the first guy is stupid but the second guy is actually brave (or braver at least). You cannot have courage without fear.
How this relates to this conversation is, you can't call yourself good if you really don't get "psychopathic" thoughts or don't have the imagination for it, because your aren't being good because you believe it is the "better" choice, you just are being good because you are naive. On the other hand the same guy that has an imagination for psychopathy or violence but still acts good is actually the good person, because in real life he is acting good because he believes it is the better thing to do. EVE is just a place where you can channel these psychopathic thoughts without real life consequences, to you and the other person.
So even in EVE, if you don't have the imagination for violence then you aren't really good, you are just naive, stupid, and have 0 imagination.
Go get me that veldspar, build me a catalyst so I can mine your tears.
Food for thought |
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
284

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Posted - 2014.02.16 06:41:00 -
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I have moved this post to Out of Pod Experience as it is a discussion about how games affect your out of game personality (or not). Lets keep respectful of other's opinions. ISD Gallifreyan Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCL) Interstellar Services Department |
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Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
332
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Posted - 2014.02.16 06:49:00 -
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ISD Gallifreyan wrote:I have moved this post to Out of Pod Experience as it is a discussion about how games affect your out of game personality (or not). Lets keep respectful of other's opinions.
So wait a post about some dude beating cancer stays in general discussion, but a post about how your behavior in game affects it out of game is moved to out of pod?
Double standards much? |

Sublime Rage
Righteous Immortal Pew Darwins Lemmings
1326
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Posted - 2014.02.17 11:28:00 -
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Veronica Felix wrote:We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials? A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life: ' Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .
'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.
'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj
On the other hand, actors are more likely to be bad persons in real life if they play the character of a villain .hahaha ...right right?! |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
905
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:10:00 -
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to the OP:
Just don't go assuming that correlation implies causation. There is a definite correlation between the way act in games and the way they act in real life. In games we put on masks and play a bit differently than we live our lives. We play about the same in all ways that are not taboo in either, and in other ways we play with less inhibitions in the game than in real life. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |

Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6343
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Posted - 2014.02.18 03:55:00 -
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Dark Helmut wrote:Now you can see that evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |

XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
10
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Posted - 2014.02.18 04:10:00 -
[298] - Quote
Goons are D-Bags in real life too |

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2789
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Posted - 2014.02.19 16:27:00 -
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Thread is in trouble, it has no life support since it got moved to OOPE. Not enough RL kind/psycho in EVE people over here in OOPE. The prospects look dim, unless it gets sent back to GD for some nourishment. |

Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2014.02.20 03:48:00 -
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We should do commercials,
"I am not really a Space Pirate, I only play one in EVE"
Now once we actually get spaceships in real life, I can't guarantee anything.  |
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