We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life:

'Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .

'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.

'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj

Amusing then that you're talking to someone who exemplifies taking things outside of the game where they don't belong.

Amusing then that you're talking to someone who exemplifies taking things outside of the game where they don't belong.

Yeah, bad roleplaying leads to the dark side.

But yeah I agree somewhat with researches like that, while I don't equal the two I do believe there's a connection, but as long as all evil people live out their evilness in a game, I'm all good with it. Keep it in the game please plox.

/c

You and I both know who took things way too far outside the game, and it wasn't me.

Well, i know many GTA players and not yet have I witnessed one slap a hoe lol.

Slapping hoes? That's just weak.

Last week I drove down the sidewalk at high speed, and a ran down at least 34 pedestrians. I must have had at least four stars the way the cops were chasing me that afternoon...

Miners are the real internet spaceship psychopaths. If you don't believe me, blow one up or ask they pay for a mining permit and watch the reaction.

Source: www.minerbumping.com

Incidentally OP, we often see people claiming to be normal and well adjusted, and yet they spend almost all of their play time in EVE sitting off by themselves, engaged in mindless solo activity such as mining or missioning, and claim constantly to just want to be left alone by everyone. According to the Daily Mail, these people must therefore be the epitome of antisocial, garbage hoarding twats IRL, no?

Avoidant personality disorder (AvPD), also known as anxious personality disorder, is a Cluster C personality disorder recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders handbook as afflicting persons when they display a pervasive pattern of social inhibition, feelings of inadequacy, extreme sensitivity to negative evaluation, and avoidance of social interaction.

But OMG - the level of psychopathic rage spewed by the people playing the "good guys" - people who never leave high sec, who have never dreamed of shooting at another player - they are the ones you really need to worry about.

...
Anyway, I play eve atm as a crazed, religious zealot. Yet in real life I'm an atheist. There may be something tenable to the study, but it's by no means conclusive.

Heh, I also play as a crazed zealot (Amarr) and am not anywhere near that in real life.

Anyway, I play eve atm as a crazed, religious zealot. Yet in real life I'm an atheist. There may be something tenable to the study, but it's by no means conclusive.

A religious person might feel more uneasy about playing the caricature of a religious fundamentalist..

A religious person might feel more uneasy about playing the caricature of a religious fundamentalist..

They recruited 194 undergraduates to explore whether the experiences of taking on heroic or villainous avatars might carry over into everyday behaviour.

Students were randomly assigned to play as Superman (a heroic avatar), Voldemort (a villainous avatar), or a circle (a neutral avatar).

They played a videogame for five minutes in which they, as their avatars, were tasked with fighting enemies.

I bet there aren't any (even semi-)serious religious people who could play as atheist.

And this is why, anytime i see any kind of news on the subject i am totally skeptic towards the conclussions.

The random chaos, violence reward and punishment of this game and many others are prerequisites to brainwashing. Physical emotional and physical stress are used to weaken the mind. The belief that it is normal is the next goal. Peer reinforcement is both evidence of and a tool of the operant and become increasingly harder to mentally escape. That means many of the people in this thread are literally tools. no troll intended. We are of course also employed as violent and chaotic elements,So also could the constant changing of rules and "balancing". Once these are met influence becomes a soft sell with the victims embracing their captors as benefactors. All hail beneficent and wonderful CCP. Continued development of multiple personalities allows a lot of hidden values and motivations. WE of course MUST have alts, even if its only on one account.

The most obvious goals of this company are to sell subscriptions, and plex but could it be more nefarious. I originally thought of this as a possible economic experiment on free market capitalism but with the fall of Icelands economic system, coud the social data be of value to controlled socialist, communist governments?

With a name like Crowd Control Productions and supercomputer modeling and data crunching capabilities one has to ask... What is the nature of their production?

Many will of course guffaw this post, it is the nature of your programming. But the question must stand, who are they grooming and for what? Sure as hell isn't anything of social or moral value.

People act out in game the way they'd like to, if the real world had no rules.

Being capable of evil is evil as well.

So to all of you people, I love you all.

Unlike evil, which seems to fall under some sort of self control, apparently being capable of shitting out a wall of meaningless text means that you actually will do it.

Being capable of evil is evil as well.

People act out in game the way they'd like to, if the real world had no rules.

One constant symptom of psychopaths is there persistent struggle to prove they are not. Merely struggling against it proves its existence.

I disagree with this "Connection."

Proper studies show that right around the age of 4, almost all normal humans clearly know the difference between games and movies and the like, and the real world. Give your fellow human beings some credit.

Just one of many examples of real studies done that actually show a slight calming effect from playing "the bad guy" in a game.

http://www.springer.com/about+springer/media/springer+select?SGWID=0-11001-6-1433942-0

Also, you would think that since more and more people actually play video games as the last 40 years have passed us by, we'd see MORE violence from children exposed to playing the bad guy in games, right? Nope.

http://childstats.gov/americaschildren/beh5.asp

I'm quite nice in EVE - to a point. If I don't know you, we are in low/null, and I think you might be a threat or you are a high value target or even if I am just bored - if I think I can win, I am going to shoot you down, pod you, and then probably giggle about it later. If you cry in local, I am going to make fun of you (tastefully, of course.)

In the real world; I am very polite. I'd never knowingly do harm to a stranger, even if it came with personal gain for myself. I'm 35. Been playing video games since I was 7. :P

This.

While I don't necessarily believe these people are psychopaths, they most likely do suffer from some sort of mental disorder. Let's take a closer look at what these "psychopaths" are actually doing.

We have fully grown adults who are using their spare time to engage in social interaction with other adults. Since they cannot be held accountable for their actions, they decide to use this social interaction to do any of the following for the sake of amusement:
- Spend dozens of house earning the trust of someone only to deceive them
- Cause unprofitable destruction in the hopes of receiving rageful communications
- Engage in rude and immature communications with those they perceive as easy to upset

Considering this is all done purely for amusement, ask yourselves this: Are these the actions of normal, functioning adults? Reading the paragraph above, I feel like I'm describing a rich, snotty 16 year old from white suburbia. Instead I'm discussing fully grown adults.

It's easy for them to ignore or justify their actions when EVE is a gathering place for these sorts of people. With dozens if not hundreds of other troubled minds to reinforce their actions, it's easy for them to brush off most criticism.

Unfortunately for them, one day they will actually grow up and have to look back at this time. Boy, will they feel ashamed.

One constant symptom of psychopaths is there persistent struggle to prove they are not. Merely struggling against it proves its existence.

But you would compare those engaging in a simulation - admittedly, one which some are far too emotionally invested in - to those committing real life acts of atrocity. This is so absolutely ridiculous it garners no further examination.

It's so ridiculous, the only way I can justify such a viewpoint existing is as a defense mechanism to assure oneself that whatever one did wrong, it is only the fault of the other, for being a psychopath.

:roll:

1) Nearly all of you choose to target people who you know won't grief back. Essentially: A grown man looking to take advantage of another grown man they percieve to be innocent and vulnerable.

2) If they were to enjoy it and grief back, you wouldn't do it anymore, as the entire purpose of it is to upset them.
The argument is thus moot.

- Cause unprofitable destruction in the hopes of receiving rageful communications

- Engage in rude and immature communications with those they perceive as easy to upset

But it's the miners, the corps who don't check API, the supposed "victims" who tell me that they'd like to figure out where I live and set my car on fire, or pull out my teeth and shove them up my fourth point of contact. And I'm supposed to be the psychopath? Yeah, uh huh, gotcha.

We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life:

'Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .

'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.

'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj

Sociopaths in real life tend to play sociopaths in game, but not all in game sociopaths are sociopaths in real life.

My elegant equation for the day.

Mr Epeen

Somewhat appropriate that those accused of being a psychopath are the only ones with a rational viewpoint on the situation, isn't it?

It's so ridiculous, the only way I can justify such a viewpoint existing is as a defense mechanism to assure oneself that whatever one did wrong, it is only the fault of the other, for being a psychopath.

:roll:

We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life:

'Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .

'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.

'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj

I don't like chocolate, but I really enjoy spicy food, so I'd probably pour more chili sauce than chocolate. Does that make me a psychopath

When someone runs you out of business in monopoly, they aren't being evil.

When someone kills your armies in risk, they aren't being evil.

When someone checkmates your king, they aren't being evil.

When someone bluffs their way to victory in poker, they aren't being evil.

When someone blows up your internet space pixels, they aren't being evil.

If you disagree with any of the above, please, please step away from the computer and go outside. Meet some people, have fun, get some perspective. It's a game FFS.

The impossibly complex asymmetry of this hypothesis could only have been produced by a basement-dwelling, bed-wetting, sociopathic child abuse victim.


o7, sir.

. Being capable of evil is evil as well.

A bit like being pregnant; you can't be sorta pregnant.

Thanks to video games, I now question the actual gender of every female I see in my city....

That's not true at all. I hope I get lit up when I awox someone. I really do, I am literally looking for a fight.



Then it's not griefing, is it? It's two people exchanging fire in a video game.



Oh, now that's just funny. "unprofitable"? Like anything in this video game is really profitable?

It's also telling that "profit" is your measure of whether of something is ok or not in the game, btw.



Have you ever heard of the "Highsec Miner Grab Bag?" I know very few gankers/griefers whatever who are not polite. I myself am the model of decorum.

But it's the miners, the corps who don't check API, the supposed "victims" who tell me that they'd like to figure out where I live and set my car on fire, or pull out my teeth and shove them up my fourth point of contact. And I'm supposed to be the psychopath? Yeah, uh huh, gotcha.

Since taking on the role of Guard I've become short in real life also

Are people who are greedy when playing monopoly bad people in real life?

Of course an EVE persona reflects your real life persona. When there are no consequences, (i.e. in a video game) you will act however you damn well please. If that means treating others like ****, then I would put money on you treating people like **** in real life when it doesn't matter. That's a gross oversimplification to highlight a point, however.

Don't bother man. You're ******* evil. But it's okay. I still love you.

We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life:

'Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .

'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.

'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj

No, it makes you a spicyopath.

At the same time, there is the much more unsettling opposite idea of the domination of my screen persona over my "real" self. Our social identity, the person we assume to be in our social intercourse, is already a "mask" that involves the repression of our inadmissible impulses. But it is precisely in the conditions of "just playing" - when the rules regulating our "real life" exchanges are temporarily suspended - that we can permit ourselves to display these repressed attitudes. Take the proverbial impotent shy person who, while participating in a cyberspace interactive game, adopts the identity of an irresistible seducer or sadistic murderer. It is all too simple to say that this identity is just an imaginary escape from real-life impotence. The point is rather that, since he knows that the cyberspace interactive game is "just a game," he can "show his true self" and do things he would never have done in real-life interactions. In the guise of a fiction, the truth about himself is articulated. The fact that I perceive my virtual self-image as mere play thus allows me to suspend the usual hindrances which prevent me from realising my "dark half" in real life. My electronic id is given wing.

There's the rub, distinguishing between game and real life. Or imagination and real life. Or dream and real life.
It's all real life, you are what you do.
Does anybody seriously think a person can think hateful violent thoughts all day for years and not change their character?
In my experience roleplayers pretty much talk in this stilted, lugubrious sort of style, then under pressure they revert to type.
Pressure test reveals who you are, generous, cowardly, treacherous, indomitable, whatever.
Human nature is like a big beautiful garden with paths winding to and fro.
The horror.

What if Real Life is a game and you are an alien playing on the Earth RP PVP realm as the mythical human race and your real-real life conciousness has been suspended upon login to enable more realistic roleplaying.

Ever since I started playing this character, I've been eating bananas, climbing trees and flinging poo.

See, this is where you're flat out wrong, by your own explanation.
"When there are no consequences", I can't treat people like four asterixes, because that's a consequence.
So if I treat people IRL like I do ingame, I do them no harm or negative consequence.

This "you are who you are in the dark", or "when relieved of consequences, you act on your darker desires" is simply fantasy used to demonise others to reinforce your view of your own moral high ground, or soften the blow of a loss. "He cheated, so it's okay" - well yeah, except he did not break any rules, so he didn't cheat.

Of course, the spanner in any discussion, is what is acting as a "villain" in a setting such as EvE. In a game about spaceship combat, can shooting a spaceship really be considered "evil" play. If you then adjust the centre of what is considered "normal", doesn't that then alter everything in relation? It's not just "lack of repercussion", its a fundamental shift of what is "default behavoir". Are you saying everyone who shoots a ship is a potential murderer? That strikes me as saying everyone who knocks down bowling pins is a budding vandal, or everyone who plays cricket (or baseball for those across the water) is a violent thug who might be about to smash someones head in with a plank of wood.

A bit daft, don't you think?.

Is there any good or evil in a deterministic universe. If the mind is in fact just the brain and the brain exists wholly within the universe then it reacts to information/events that came before just like balls on a pool table, and your choice is in fact just the latest event in a chain of causality. ie. The murderer was always going to be a murderer. In this case making value judgements like good and evil is pointless and silly.

Regardless, wouldn't that value decision be equally inevitable? Or really, the idea that you actually make a decision would just be a cruel joke, but the ends of that value assignment were equally inevitable so there is no use arguing against it.

I guess I'll start here:


You are equating inanimate objects (bowling pins, baseballs, cricket balls) with people, which is pretty classically a demonstration of lack of empathy. As inconvenient as it may be, PEOPLE ARE NOT OBJECTS! mmmkay?

Your argument that because certain behavior is "normal" that it is not also "bad" is essentially the same thing as "I was just following orders.". Just because gassing Jews is normal, that don't make it right. Similarly, blowing up people's spaceships may be "normal", but that doesn't exempt each individual instance of the action from moral and ethical examination. In a warzone killing people is normal, but if you shoot someone wearing the same shirt as you or a baby or a nun, you're still gonna have some 'splainin' to do. In prison, it's normal to put people in cages, but if you put the warden in a cage or you make him strip naked, grab his balls, and cough, you can be sure you will probably be made to do likewise at some point in the near future. And, just the same, blowing up internet spaceships in EVE is a common occurrence, but that doesn't mean you aren't an [expletive deleted] for blowing one up.

Good try, though, Goon.

p.s.

Some questions to think about:

What is the difference between "acting" like a villain and "being" a villain?
Is EVE a game "about spaceship combat"?
When can shooting a spaceship really be considered "play"?
Can there be "default" actions and are we less responsible for the consequences of those versus regular actions?

If I took money out of your bank, sure that would be an ******* thing to do. But if you put money into the pot on a poker table and lose if to me, how does that make me as *******? You dealt yourself into the game by undocking.

There is a pretty big difference between a scenario where taking someones money in a chance based but otherwise fair contest in which that is the only goal and taking someones money because they're there and you can.

Without even making a moral judgement, it's still mechanically worlds apart.

Welll yea, that's the point.....

So what you're saying is that those who are able to treat the game as a game and laugh at the hilarious mistakes and pratfalls it inevitably generates are well-adjusted people, whereas those who confuse in-game actions towards them with attacks on their person and who respond by abuse and threats of physical violence areGǪ let's just call it Gǣnot right in the headGǥ?

Yeah, no surprise there. The only worrying bit is how the latter category so desperately try to paint themselves as normal and the everyone else as psychopaths or GÇ£sociopathsGÇ¥ (something that doesn't even exist).

Maybe I misread, it sounded like you were equating undocking with throwing money into a poker pot. I can't say I agree with that.

As someone with no knowledge of the related fields I must ask, what do you mean by sociopaths not existing?

I mean that it's a century-old term that is no longer really considered a valid (or even useful) diagnosis. At best, sociopathy is a nit-picking subcategory of psychopathy and when people talk about GÇ£sociopathsGÇ¥, they generally actually mean people suffering from anti-social personality disorder.

Undocking is quite like throwing money into the pot. I mean your ship, mods, and cargo is worth isk is it not? And you wish to have more isk, kills on the killboard, and honour when you redock then when you left right? But other people also want kills and isk, your isk and your ship on their killboard. So you risk the ship along side others who are risking their ships in the same game, and sometimes you win and other times you don't win.

So what you're saying is that those who are able to treat the game as a game and laugh at the hilarious mistakes and pratfalls it inevitably generates are well-adjusted people

GÇ£sociopathsGÇ¥ (something that doesn't even exist).

I never understood the implication of psychopathy being such a "bad" thing. Oh no, I make decisions using reason instead of automated kneekerk emotional responses and/or what i think everyone else wants me to do.

I've explained my position as clearly as I can. If you believe you can't treat someone poorly because there are no consequences, you have an interesting world view. If you believe the way you treat someone is a consequence then we can't have any discussion on this matter. Your belief is incorrect. But I did think this was interesting...

It's not a simple fantasy. It's reality. I don't use it to demonize others or reinforce any moral high ground. I don't claim any moral high ground against others. You made that claim for me.

That's why I use word (like in my previous post that you did so well at comprehending) like 'probably' 'inclination' etc. Me judging you as being a douche makes no claim to my morality (or lack thereof.)

It does not follow that me thinking you're a douche means that you're a bad/evil/immoral/whatever person. It simply is what it is. If that bothers you, you need to introspect a bit on why it bothers you.

Well adjusted people don't "play" games exclusively to win the game. They play for fun, for challenge, for the act of bonding with the other players.

The difference being the consequences of a gank versus shooting asteroids or NPCs. Asteroids don't feel bad when you shoot them. People do, and whether those feelings are justified or not, they are "real"

This is true for any game, I'm not sure what your point is. If we're playing poker and you're just there to hang out with buds and I'm there because I like to compete, does that make me a bad person? Hell, it's not exactly binary either, why can't I like both?

EVE is just a game, just like poker is just a game. You can bet big and lose big, but trying to paint the guy across the table from you as some sort of psychopath because he bested you in a game is juvenile at best.

If a player is getting their feelings hurt due to having a spaceship blown up in a game about blowing up spaceships, this player should unsubscribe and seek professional help.

Are they really the same thing? Or are you a ******* ******?

What is EVE's equivalent of a "royal flush"? What is poker's equivalent of a "hot drop"?

Is EVE about blowing up spaceships for you? Why must EVE be about getting my spaceship blown up, for me, just because it is about blowing up spaceships for you? Do you realize that there are NPC spaceships that you can blow up without upsetting an actual person? Do you realize that you can blow up your own spaceships if EVE is "a game about blowing up spaceships"? Is it nice for you to impose your perspective of EVE onto my gameplay? Don't you want to be a nice person?

Think about this: If person A needs professional help, maybe person B shouldn't be taunting and griefing them. Why would person B be doing that? Doesn't person B want to be a nice person? Why not?

We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life:

'Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .

'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.

'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj

Wut?

Why must EVE be about getting my spaceship blown up, for me, just because it is about blowing up spaceships for you? Do you realize that there are NPC spaceships that you can blow up without upsetting an actual person? Do you realize that you can blow up your own spaceships if EVE is "a game about blowing up spaceships"? Is it nice for you to impose your perspective of EVE onto my gameplay? Don't you want to be a nice person?

Think about this: If person A needs professional help, maybe person B shouldn't be taunting and griefing them. Why would person B be doing that? Doesn't person B want to be a nice person? Why not?

Shampoo-Banana (Champaign-Urbana) - I spent two years (a good twenty plus years back) there and while I learned plenty about real life and how people truly are, when it came to academics, I see some aspects just have not changed...

We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life:

'Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .

'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.

'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj

The Daily Mail, the UKs paper version of Fox News.

Is EVE about blowing up spaceships for you? Why must EVE be about getting my spaceship blown up, for me, just because it is about blowing up spaceships for you?

Behind the internet, everyone will start to disclose their true self.

I wasn't planning to post again so quickly, but then I saw this nonsense.



EVE is about blowing up spaceships for everyone, whether they realize it or not, and whether they accept it or not.

It's about predator and prey. You chose to be the prey(by failing to defend yourself, by, you know, warping out when 5 neg tens enter local), and you wonder why you're being hunted for the sport, amusement, or profit of others?

Well, this explains my fetish for black lipstick...

'[i]Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj

I never liked Voldemort. Stupid, ignorant, crude, hamfisted and noseless. The classical evil genius mastermind except no master and even less of a genius. No doubt, some ten-year-old children might be slightly impressed but for anyone else he is a joke, really.

Only character I really liked was Dolores Umbridge. No into-your-face evil stereotype, no "visual" evil, more of a hidden, creeping, almost subliminal kind of evil. Also, so very adorable sadistic, but of course all for the greater good of the students. That thing with the Blood Quill was awesome on so many levels.

Now, dear community, what does this make me in real life?

We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life:

'Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .

'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.

'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj

Daily Mail, I'm surprised they didn't also make a link between games and cancer and housing prices.

You forgot benefits scroungers and vapid z list celebs.

Yet you won't see anything on there regarding the 82 billion in bonuses paid to bank execGÇÖs since 2008... when said banks were bailed out with public money.

Remind me again who owns this ****** "news" paper?

We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

EVE is a computer simulation running on one of the most advanced and sophisticated pieces of computing technology in the history of mankind, requiring hundreds of people to maintain it and complicated, distributed telecommunications infrastructure through which other advanced and sophisticated computing devices can input and receive outputs from said simulation in real-time by running "client" software programs on behalf of "users", of which many thousands can be connected to said simulation at any given time and with the results of those inputs and outputs persisting in the simulation and able to affect each and every other user according to a complex set of rules . . . etc., etc., etc.

Poker is played with little sheets of dried wood pulp that have colorful symbols and drawings on them.

Are they really the same thing? Or are you a ******* ******?

What is EVE's equivalent of a "royal flush"? What is poker's equivalent of a "hot drop"?

Is EVE about blowing up spaceships for you? Why must EVE be about getting my spaceship blown up, for me, just because it is about blowing up spaceships for you? Do you realize that there are NPC spaceships that you can blow up without upsetting an actual person? Do you realize that you can blow up your own spaceships if EVE is "a game about blowing up spaceships"? Is it nice for you to impose your perspective of EVE onto my gameplay? Don't you want to be a nice person?

Think about this: If person A needs professional help, maybe person B shouldn't be taunting and griefing them. Why would person B be doing that? Doesn't person B want to be a nice person? Why not?

Don't worry, black lipstick fetishes are not psychotic or psychopatic, it's just an expression.
Same with black clothing and a few spikes every now and then. 's all good. +1.

It's all true: the Ishtar has become my vehicle of choice in RL, and I've started eschewing roads in favor of wormholes. My commute is now hugely variable in length, but it's also much more exciting.

"Sorry I'm late boss, got stuck in an endless C4 chain."

We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life:

'Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .

'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.

'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj

Yes? Sociopathy is an absolutely antedeluvian and completely outdated term.

It doesn't really exist as a condition or diagnosis any more.

I don't like chocolate, but I really enjoy spicy food, so I'd probably pour more chili sauce than chocolate. Does that make me a psychopath

No it makes you someone who needs to find out about mole sauce!

Your avatar looks insanely good! Especially the background.

Might i suggest removing the shirt, growing the hair a bit and some sunglasses for further improvement?

IThe entire "it's just a game so treating people like **** in it is completely fine"-thing just stinks of ignorance

Ignorance? Ignorance of what?

I think people who scam has a pretty high chance of being douchebags IRL too. The entire "it's just a game so treating people like **** in it is completely fine"-thing just stinks of ignorance, it's the same kind of people that generally acts like assholes on the internet because "lulz its just teh internets", not like there's other people out there that could take offense or be hurt by **** you say right?

We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life:

'Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .

'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.

'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj

The daily mail is a rag full of right wing propaganda with a mostly elderly readership who sneer upon anything they don't approve of or can't be arsed to understand.

I might be a bit if ***** on the forums but that is only because a little bit of heat is expected around here. Likewise in eve once you leave high sec everyone is an outlaw. There is no point in trying to be nice in such places you will be eaten alive.

In real life however I am a kind and considerate person that wouldn't harm a fly, so just because some idiot thinks that some people can't separate reality from fantasy has wrote up yet another worthless piece of **** whilst trying to pass it off as science doesn't mean that it is true.

Like a lot of people here I don't have a dark nature away from eve and I am not more likely to dish out punishment than anyone else, quite the opposite in fact. I am an adult and know the difference between a game and real life.

help me feel like a normal person..

Why everyone is ragging on the Daily Mail when it's an American study they are reporting on is beyond me.

U.S. 'science' is publish or perish and corporate funded.

That's the real problem.

But keep shooting the messenger. It shows most of you didn't even click the link.

Mr Epeen

on account of the fact that the Daily Mail carries news to both the UK and the United States and is so far to the right that fox news looks like the communist party press team compared to them.

Why everyone is ragging on the Daily Mail when it's an American study they are reporting on is beyond me.

U.S. 'science' is publish or perish and corporate funded.

That's the real problem.

But keep shooting the messenger. It shows most of you didn't even click the link.

Mr Epeen

If you are being "hurt" by actions taken in a Role Playing fantasy game, especially one whose central theme is a dark and heartless dystopian future, might I suggest the problem lies with YOU and not the community? Take a break. Go fishing, go smoke a fattie, whatever. Come back when you realize that its not real. Or don't come back. Maybe Eve isn't the game for you.

Just last weekend a miner told me that he hoped i would die of cancer after I violenced his spaceship without his consent. I shot his spaceship in a game about shooting spaceships and he wished death upon me. But I'm the ignorant psycho right? Right?

Get bent dude.

Also,





HTFU.

Killing miners isn't exactly what I was talking about, that's just part of the game. Lets say you help a newbie learn the game for a while, talk to him on a voicechat and become somewhat friendly only to later scam him. That's what I'm talking about.

If you are being "hurt" by actions taken in a Role Playing fantasy game, especially one whose central theme is a dark and heartless dystopian future, might I suggest the problem lies with YOU and not the community? Take a break. Go fishing, go smoke a fattie, whatever. Come back when you realize that its not real. Or don't come back. Maybe Eve isn't the game for you.

Just last weekend a miner told me that he hoped i would die of cancer after I violenced his spaceship without his consent. I shot his spaceship in a game about shooting spaceships and he wished death upon me. But I'm the ignorant psycho right? Right?

Get bent dude.

Also,









HTFU.

Killing miners isn't exactly what I was talking about, that's just part of the game. Lets say you help a newbie learn the game for a while, talk to him on a voicechat and become somewhat friendly only to later scam him. That's what I'm talking about.

[EVE Online and poker are] both games that can be for fun or for competition, and where feelings can be invested. Similar indeed.
Poker has a more defined goal, EVEs sandbox makes it slightly more complicated, but for the purpose of analogy it's pretty fitting.

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What a non-sequitur, just like "waaaaah eve = tech poker = paper waaaaah".

GǪso, much like what I said then: the ones that treat the game as a game and laugh at the hilarious mistakes and pratfalls it inevitably generates are well-adjusted people. The ones who can't separate game from reality and who abuse and threaten other players for things that happen in the game GÇö commonly when they perceive a loss of some kind GÇö are the ones who need to have their medication adjusted. The gankers you keep yelping about don't play to win; they play for fun, for challenge, for the act of bonding.

There are loads of people who shouldn't be gaming at all in any way, least of all something intentionally nasty like EVE.

My mistake. Here I thought this thread was to elicit opinions on a published study. I didn't realize it was a bash right wing media thread.

Mr Epeen

My mistake. Here I thought this thread was to elicit opinions on a published study. I didn't realize it was a bash right wing media thread.

Mr Epeen

All I am saying is that the messenger (i.e. the daily mail) only publishes things in its own interests as befitting their narrow agenda. It might be a good study, it might not be, but if it said the opposite i.e. that nasty people in video games are more likely to be nice in real life then it wouldn't have been highlighted by the daily mail as this does not fit their agenda. I would also like to point out that the daily mail are currently waging war on the internet in general and are part of a rich man's cabal that want to end net neutrality and turn the internet into the equivalent of a Tv channel where they (not you) control the content.

Running that story fits their agenda which is why it cannot be trusted.

So, I'll ask again: What is the EVE Online equivalent of a "royal flush"? What is the poker equivalent of a "hot drop"?

What a non-sequitur, just like "waaaaah eve = tech poker = paper waaaaah".

It's not your job to determine the actions of others. It is your job to determine your own actions and reactions. Other people get to be just that, OTHER PEOPLE. They are not objects that you control. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF. If you have a problem with them playing EVE, that is a motivation that you bring into the game from OUTSIDE of the game, and the things that you do under that motivation are not "playing EVE", no matter whether you do them "in-game" or not.

So doing an article on a study actually negates the study because of the outlet that is carrying the story? That's some grand higher order thinking right there.

That entire spew above has nothing whatsoever to do with the study that the OP wished to make a thread about. Most of you just read the headline, saw what site posted it and started key-mashing without a clue as to the actual content of the study referenced.

Someone should do a study on that.

Mr Epeen

All I know is that the daily mail is toxic, you can't trust any of its output. It only ever acts in its own interest, it's not an unbiased arbitrator of news, it has an agenda. This story matches that agenda, ergo the study is contaminated by association. It's only making the news because it fits that agenda.

So if the Daily Mail did an article on the moon landing or 9/11, you'd have no choice but to believe that they never actually happened? Just because they are biased and toxic like every other news outlet in the entire known world?

Did you actually read the study? Do you have an opinion on it?

I'm guessing that in your hate-on for the Mail, the answer is no to both questions.

Mr Epeen

And American football is played with a little bit of pigskin and a field . . . we can talk about online poker, which is a computer simulati . . . Does that make it close enough for EVE for you to get the connection?

I am here to [blow] up spaceships . . . you are not . . . high on my list of priorities.

Did you actually read the study?

The Daily Spite would probably have blamed, feminist 'wimmin', immigrants, homosexuals, and the entire 60s generation with their liberal values, for 9/11 and claimed that it would never have happened if Maggie had still been in power.

So, tell me: What would happen in a game of football if you AWOXed your team? Why?

So, football=EVE Online=online poker. Did I read that right?

My humblest apologies for not bothering to find out if The Daily Mail for once honestly reported a science or technology study, and for checking if the study (Meaning, the peer-reviewed paper) was done with a statistically significant of people with control groups and double blinds etc., along with all the other hallmarks of a rigorous study.
But on the other hand, that also means I do not claim to know what the study said.
Only what The Daily Mails article claimed that it said.

EVE can definitely be played competitively. Poker can be played non-competitively. I agree that in many ways, the analogy can be very fitting. So, I'll ask again: What is the EVE Online equivalent of a "royal flush"? What is the poker equivalent of a "hot drop"?

Your thought processes seems to be lacking coherence. If it is a good analogy to say that EVE is like poker, then how does it not follow to wonder how certain "plays" in EVE are like certain "plays" in poker, and vice versa?