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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2011.11.11 13:48:00 -
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why was slavery great and promoted by leaders, be it religious or "state" until 1865.
hmm doesnt matter.
First you cry EVE is overlooked.
Then you cry things happens to EVE. |

Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
9
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Posted - 2011.11.11 13:48:00 -
[92] - Quote
Soi Mala wrote:TL:DR Highsec is risk free aside from wardecs, feel free to trust anyone, fleet anyone, rep anyone, farm anything, and autopilot around the land of rainbows and hugs.
CCP have now nerfed the old wardecced fleet members, remote repping, contracts and all other transactions, and introduced iskcursions. Tell me, where is the harsh and unforgiving part of this game again? Because i'm pretty sure it's supposed to be everywhere.
And as for the trolls claiming that ganking shouldn't be risk free and that griefers are running a one-sided argument, where is the risk that you guys are taking now? What risk is justifying that ridiculous income from incursions? Do you think you are at risk with 3 logis repping you? Do you think that maybe after running hundreds of sites a day that you might get the next one wrong and hit a trigger? Yes that does sound very dangerous, perhaps we should dock up until ccp can help us out with those nasty sanshas too. Gankers don't need a risk, because in suicide ganking, you're GUARANTEED to lose the ship. You lose ships, isk, modules, and sec status. While the gankee only loses a ship. You talk about risk free, why should you waltz around in pimp ships with pimp fits, disregarding any thought of risk when you're surrounded by people with a lot less to lose than you have? Would you walk around dark city allyways with your big old platinum chain and rolex hanging out of your shirt? If you do, then you deserve to get them taken from you.
It may be a small effort to rob you of your goodies, but it is an even smaller effort for you to protect them, you just don't do it because it would be inconvenient for you.
OLD SCHOOL.
Incursions Blacklist hasn't had a single update since CCP started wiping their bottoms for them. |

Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
9
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Posted - 2011.11.11 13:50:00 -
[93] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:why was slavery great and promoted by leaders, be it religious or "state" until 1865.
hmm doesnt matter.
First you cry EVE is overlooked.
Then you cry things happens to EVE.
When all else fails, do the strawman argument and declare victory. |

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2011.11.11 13:50:00 -
[94] - Quote
Zowie Powers wrote:a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.
To benefit the EVE community at large,
That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP? I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.
Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already.
I knew the bear pirate tears would start flowing eventually. Didn't expect for it to have almost a day of lag. What, did you just log in and find out your golden ticket was gone? The loser in any fight consols himself with a moral victory. Thus is the beginning of slave-morality. |

Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
9
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Posted - 2011.11.11 13:52:00 -
[95] - Quote
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.
To benefit the EVE community at large,
That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP? I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.
Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already. I knew the bear pirate tears would start flowing eventually. Didn't expect for it to have almost a day of lag. What, did you just log in and find out your golden ticket was gone? You think you are the first to think and say such nonsense, but you're not, you're lost in a sea of weaklings who think they're very clever. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2011.11.11 13:53:00 -
[96] - Quote
Zowie Powers wrote:Halcyon Ingenium wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.
To benefit the EVE community at large,
That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP? I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.
Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already. I knew the bear pirate tears would start flowing eventually. Didn't expect for it to have almost a day of lag. What, did you just log in and find out your golden ticket was gone? You think you are the first to think and say such nonsense, but you're not, you're lost in a sea of weaklings who think they're very clever.
And you are lost. Nothing more needs to be said. |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2011.11.11 13:57:00 -
[97] - Quote
What your incessant whines and tears reduce to you wanting people to HTFU so that you don't have to.
You're bitching about not being able to use a loophole mechanic to aid you in padding your sadistic self-esteem.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2011.11.11 13:58:00 -
[98] - Quote
Zowie Powers wrote:Halcyon Ingenium wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.
To benefit the EVE community at large,
That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP? I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.
Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already. I knew the bear pirate tears would start flowing eventually. Didn't expect for it to have almost a day of lag. What, did you just log in and find out your golden ticket was gone? You think you are the first to think and say such nonsense, but you're not, you're lost in a sea of weaklings who think they're very clever.
If you have no stake in this then whence cometh the butt-hurt? (Pro-tip: Your rage is the tell that you're lying.) The loser in any fight consols himself with a moral victory. Thus is the beginning of slave-morality. |

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
34
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Posted - 2011.11.11 13:58:00 -
[99] - Quote
Jack All'Trade wrote:Zowie Powers wrote:Why did Eve NOT need this "EXPLOIT OMG CAN U BELIEVE HAXOR" "mechanic" "hole" patching up until 2011?
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm uuuummmmmmmmmmmmm
errrrrrrrr
ummmmmmmm YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT! why u so mad bro? u need a hug. come're.
Come on, everybody give the OP a hug. Gather around everyone, GROUP HUG! Have you noticed how some ships are actually blue? Weird isn't it? |

Elric Astrius
MarSec Industries Gold Star Alliance
10
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:01:00 -
[100] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:What your incessant whines and tears reduce to you wanting people to HTFU so that you don't have to. You're bitching about not being able to use a loophole mechanic to aid you in padding your sadistic self-esteem.
Its just best to let this void fall into the eternal abyss, but then again we technically are in space where no one can hear you scream XD... but If its what I think it is thats going on, we need to just say our piece and move along, otherwise the blood spilt here will bring the hounds thirsting for more. |
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Blood Fart
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:02:00 -
[101] - Quote
I don't mind any of the "dumb button" changes.....as long as I don't get bothered when I use "unofficial" methods to escape Concord. |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:03:00 -
[102] - Quote
Elric Astrius wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:What your incessant whines and tears reduce to you wanting people to HTFU so that you don't have to. You're bitching about not being able to use a loophole mechanic to aid you in padding your sadistic self-esteem. Its just best to let this void fall into the eternal abyss, but then again we technically are in space where no one can hear you scream XD... but If its what I think it is thats going on, we need to just say our piece and move along, otherwise the blood spilt here will bring the hounds thirsting for more. Touch+¬ . |

Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
9
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:36:00 -
[103] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:What your incessant whines and tears reduce to you wanting people to HTFU so that you don't have to. You're bitching about not being able to use a loophole mechanic to aid you in padding your sadistic self-esteem.
See this is the crux of the issue you're neither able nor willing to grasp. It's got nothing to do with what I do, it's got everything to do with maintaining an exciting, irrational and often ludicrous gaming experience at the specific expense of safe, easy gold fountains.
I know I just wasted another sentence on your inept, twisted, unthoughtful, easily confused and sub par brain, but maybe somebody who isn't a waste of precious resource will pick it up and understand it. It's not for you. You are just meat. |

Elric Astrius
MarSec Industries Gold Star Alliance
10
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:42:00 -
[104] - Quote
Zowie Powers wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:What your incessant whines and tears reduce to you wanting people to HTFU so that you don't have to. You're bitching about not being able to use a loophole mechanic to aid you in padding your sadistic self-esteem. See this is the crux of the issue you're neither able nor willing to grasp. It's got nothing to do with what I do, it's got everything to do with maintaining an exciting, irrational and often ludicrous gaming experience at the specific expense of safe, easy gold fountains. I know I just wasted another sentence on your inept, twisted, unthoughtful, easily confused and sub par brain, but maybe somebody who isn't a waste of precious resource will pick it up and understand it. It's not for you. You are just meat.
Ok Zowie your proving my point, your acting like the rabid ***** i was warning about, the only blood that will be spilt here is your own when you cry tears of blood from your eyes because unless we let this die, the only thing that will be in pain is you, Matrix only was pointing out a truth and I was trying to peacefully resolve this without resorting to having to have a pissing contest with a woman who looks more like a ***** than a representative of new eden, now come back to us when your a bit more grown up and grow a pair of balls with that **** of bullshit your feeding us. Seriously.. Just let it dissapate and stop giving yourself more of a target than it needs to be, bad enough when you try opening those legs of yours that bats fly out and green ooze drips out .... but woman seriously.... this NEEDS to stop!. |

Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
10
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:52:00 -
[105] - Quote
Or just hide her posts so you don't have to read any of the crying. |

Elric Astrius
MarSec Industries Gold Star Alliance
15
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:58:00 -
[106] - Quote
Hauling Hal wrote:Or just hide her posts so you don't have to read any of the crying.
yea obviously i didnt want it coming to that, but something had to be done... Oh well I should be headed to bed anyways its almosy 8am and i havent slept yet... and been spending hours on here trying to play peacemaker and trying to make sure the bloodlust is kept to a mininum ... sure im not an ISD but I do care about the community and the people in it, I just wish more took this community for what it should really be about... Its bad enough in-game that people are vile and ruthless yet they carry it on here and we are people behind here.... I think people get too consumed with their fantasy and shutting the world behind them and then it creates the idiocracy that we see everyday... if only there was a way for it to just stablize long enough for intellegence to show and so that players both new and old can say "there are some real smart people out there, i should be more like them" XD but of course im just being idealistic LOL |

gfldex
53
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:00:00 -
[107] - Quote
Zowie Powers wrote:Why did Eve NOT need this "EXPLOIT OMG CAN U BELIEVE HAXOR" "mechanic" "hole" patching up until 2011?
It did need that hole patching but you can't downsize your GM department if the petition queues are still nicely filled.
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Jack All'Trade
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:29:00 -
[108] - Quote
Zowie Powers wrote: I know I just wasted another sentence on your inept, twisted, unthoughtful, easily confused and sub par brain, but maybe somebody who isn't a waste of precious resource will pick it up and understand it. It's not for you. You are just meat.
u still mad. come here. i just wanna hug you. i said come here. |

Sturmwolke
40
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Posted - 2011.11.11 16:09:00 -
[109] - Quote
I loled. Bound to happen. Rule #1 to future metagamers, exploit in moderation.
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Griselllda Blanco
Disco Deviants
3
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Posted - 2011.11.11 16:11:00 -
[110] - Quote
Elric Astrius wrote: bad enough when you try opening those legs of yours that bats fly out and green ooze drips out
Elric Astrius wrote: if only there was a way for it to just stablize long enough for intellegence to show and so that players both new and old can say "there are some real smart people out there, i should be more like them"
.....and less like you. Hypocrit! |
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.11.11 17:00:00 -
[111] - Quote
GM Homonoia wrote:Soi Mala wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:GJ CCP If I'm in hi-sec, I'm entitled to know if the action I'm about to take will give someone else the right to shoot at me or not.
The change has nothing to do with GCC (which was fixed,) it has to do with can-flippers. It has nothing to do with logi being concordokken, it has to do with Slimy Worm.
tl;dr If you are in high-sec and someone you are about to rr can legally be shot at by anybody, you are given the option to not rep them (because if you do rr them, whoever can legally shoot them can now legally shoot you.)
Now if CCP would just nerf vanguard payouts about 20% then we'd be set. Yet another one misunderstanding the issue. It is nothing to do with who you are going to rep, but the people you are already repping. ^ This. 1. Player A is repping player B 2. Player B steals from his friend player C 3. Player C gains aggression rights towards player A without player A receiving a warning, being informed or given the option to step out 4. Player C gets a risk free kill In short, we fully endorse people blowing up space ships, but you should always have control over whether you receive an aggression flag or not. This is why can flipping is ok, but why we plugged this particular hole; there was no warning, defense or precautions you could take to combat this tactic, except by not participating in a huge feature of the game.
So you're saying that before this change player A was already getting a warning if player B had stolen from his friend player C 5 minutes ago and player A started repping player B? You're saying that Slimy Worm actually had to show up on grid personally (on his griefing main) to do the can-flipping in the middle of an Incursion site?
If that's true, then I stand corrected. But I seriously doubt Paul Clavet (of My Loot, Your Tears) is that stupid.
If it's not true, then put the paste down and get back to work.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
257
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Posted - 2011.11.11 17:31:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:Soi Mala wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:GJ CCP If I'm in hi-sec, I'm entitled to know if the action I'm about to take will give someone else the right to shoot at me or not.
The change has nothing to do with GCC (which was fixed,) it has to do with can-flippers. It has nothing to do with logi being concordokken, it has to do with Slimy Worm.
tl;dr If you are in high-sec and someone you are about to rr can legally be shot at by anybody, you are given the option to not rep them (because if you do rr them, whoever can legally shoot them can now legally shoot you.)
Now if CCP would just nerf vanguard payouts about 20% then we'd be set. Yet another one misunderstanding the issue. It is nothing to do with who you are going to rep, but the people you are already repping. ^ This. 1. Player A is repping player B 2. Player B steals from his friend player C 3. Player C gains aggression rights towards player A without player A receiving a warning, being informed or given the option to step out 4. Player C gets a risk free kill In short, we fully endorse people blowing up space ships, but you should always have control over whether you receive an aggression flag or not. This is why can flipping is ok, but why we plugged this particular hole; there was no warning, defense or precautions you could take to combat this tactic, except by not participating in a huge feature of the game. So you're saying that before this change player A was already getting a warning if player B had stolen from his friend player C 5 minutes ago and player A started repping player B? You're saying that Slimy Worm actually had to show up on grid personally (on his griefing main) to do the can-flipping in the middle of an Incursion site? If that's true, then I stand corrected. But I seriously doubt Paul Clavet (of My Loot, Your Tears) is that stupid. If it's not true, then put the paste down and get back to work.
Perhaps this makes more sense as an example (although the one above is pretty clear).
I'm a bad guy that has infiltrated an Incursion fleet. I holler that I need remote repping. Various logistics, being good team mates, start repping me. I perform a criminal act while being repped.
Previously the logistics pilots would be criminally flagged with no way to stop it or even being aware of it because they are repping me at the time of my offense. My buddies can swoop in and kill the lot of them with no repercussions.
Now, if I try to pull this trick at the moment I do my criminal act the logistics guys will automatically stop repping me, and get a pop up that lets them know I got myself flagged... and that if they resume repping me they will be criminally flagged (and fair game) as well.
They are closing a loop hole used to kill logistics pilots whilst they are still unaware they have become a target. Now if they are stupid enough to continue repping, or if they are intentionally boosting someone that gets a criminal flag (neutral remote repping) they can still do so. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
113
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Posted - 2011.11.11 17:55:00 -
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Let me guess, the people who don't like the rep warning are the same people who emoraged over WTZ and dialog boxes warning you before you went into lowsec.
Let's all help them out: let's all go to Amamake or Old Man Star and wait to be ganked by them, with our best ships, just so they can feel good for a minute.
I train people in the use of small arms, and they get very excited and full of drama about paper targets that don't shoot back.
Griefer tears and carebear rage reminds of me all that.
It's s freaking game. FFS.
I can think of a 1000 things for people to be angry at that are worthy of being angry at.
That's burns my ass, like a 3' flame.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.11.11 18:14:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Answering a question that wasn't asked.
Before the change, if I can-flip someone and a minute later someone else activates a remote rep module on me, did he get a pop-up warning or not?
This guy says no.
If the correct answer is yes, I stand corrected. If the correct answer is no, then I've been right all along. I've never played station games so I defer to the wisdom of the mouth-breathing experts of that art.
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MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
48
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Posted - 2011.11.11 18:18:00 -
[115] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: That's burns my ass, like a 3' flame.
Look at the bright side; it keeps you on your toes.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
64
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Posted - 2011.11.11 19:10:00 -
[116] - Quote
AkJon Ferguson wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Answering a question that wasn't asked. Before the change, if I can-flip someone and a minute later someone else activates a remote rep module on me, did he get a pop-up warning or not? This guy says no. If the correct answer is yes, I stand corrected. If the correct answer is no, then I've been right all along. I've never played station games so I defer to the wisdom of the mouth-breathing experts of that art.
Yes, you would get a warning. The warning would only happen when you start the rep. If the rep was already running you'd get no warning. Why are people having such a hard time with this?
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Hero Tackler
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 19:14:00 -
[117] - Quote
Zowie Powers wrote:How about Tranquility for Eve. Singularity for testing. Multiplicity for CCP testing. and Blizzard for Incursions?
I think this would just about suit every last subscriber really.
Somebody needs a hug. 
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
258
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Posted - 2011.11.11 19:46:00 -
[118] - Quote
Soi Mala wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Answering a question that wasn't asked. Before the change, if I can-flip someone and a minute later someone else activates a remote rep module on me, did he get a pop-up warning or not? This guy says no. If the correct answer is yes, I stand corrected. If the correct answer is no, then I've been right all along. I've never played station games so I defer to the wisdom of the mouth-breathing experts of that art. Yes, you would get a warning. The warning would only happen when you start the rep. If the rep was already running you'd get no warning. Why are people having such a hard time with this?
Exactly.
My example showed exactly what this change was aimed at preventing... not neutrals repping people engaged in supposed 1 v 1's, not people that try to rep people that are already criminally flagged (they already got a warning).
This change was specifically designed to prevent a logistics pilot from unknowingly becoming a target because the person he is helping gets flagged DURING the repping cycle.
As much as you might want this change to prevent other things being possible, this is not the case. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:04:00 -
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Here's a few quotes from an Incursion griefer's blog. I've bolded the important bits. The tl;dr is that I was right all along (big surprise.) You got NO pop-up warning before you started repping a can-flipper before this change, you only got a notification once you'd repped him that you now have an aggression flag.
"Last night, however, we got one of the most delicious kills. I had invited several people to a fake fleet and told them to meet up at a planet. I was paying special attention to those with remote cap or shield/armor rep or whatever. I had a Basi on the line when I spotted a Rattlesnake I couldnGÇÖt turn down. He had an armor rep in his utility high and when I asked him about it he told me a story about how it had saved the day recently. I pretended it was a cool story, bro, and commented off-handedly that he should hit me with it. He didnGÇÖt buy it.
I was on comms with both the incursion fleet and fellow Skunks and our aggression was starting to tick down and the Rattlesnake wasnGÇÖt biting, so we decided to pounce on the Basi so that weGÇÖd at least get something. The fleet was mid-warp when the Basi started asking why he got aggression from me and started even naming specific people I had aggression on. I feigned ignorance while the fleet landed and started ruining his day."
Notice he says "our aggression was starting to tick down," hence he already had done the can-flipping.
He continues ...
"I hit planet five and went through the whole GÇÿwhat happenedGÇÖ song and dance when he offered to fix up my armor for me. I was absolutely stoked and told the rest of the fleet to get into position while I had this exchange with him:
Him: GÇ£Okay, IGÇÖm targeting you. Do you have aggression?GÇ¥
Me: GÇ£I was going to rep that logi, but then you told me I would end up dead that way, so I didnGÇÖt.GÇ¥
Him: GÇ£Okay. Take a look around, is there anybody on grid who aggressed you?GÇ¥
Me, pretending to check my overview carefully: GǣGǪnope.Gǥ
Him: GÇ£Okay. Repping you.GÇ¥"
There'd be no reason for this cautious victim to ask about aggression if there was a pop-up. This cautious victim activated his armor hardener, got no pop-up, and lost his Machariel.
Moral of the story: CCP employees/fanbois: when someone who is as right as often as I am makes a claim, and you know that you are as wrong as often as you are, do your homework before you dispute that claim. Thanks. |

Blood Fart
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:25:00 -
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I always thought this mechanic was the same as being framed for a crime.
You were a foolish, careless, greedy person who helped someone that you don't know for profit or favors and were framed . The police take you down and the person who framed you benefits.
This is EvE we're talking about here? |
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