a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.

a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.


To benefit the EVE community at large,

That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP?
I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.

Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already.

Interesting, will surely cause some annoyance to certain pilots' activities...

edit/question

So the "neutral" RR'er, he now gets flagged? Or did he always? Am thinking of those 1v1's where one party bring in a neutral RR, you can now also attack the RR (if he continues) - or could you always do that?

They get flagged now, but don't get aggression penalties, such as docking and stargate timers. i.e. The neutral RR ship can insta redock after being flagged. If we all pray together, maybe the flagged repper will now get the same aggression penalties as the attacker.

The key experienmce within the Eve MMO is CONSEQUENCES. If there aren't any, then that part of the game is flawed.

This is a good change. If you have to rely on tricking people into battle with quirky game mechanics, you fail at Eve.

GÇóTo benefit the EVE community at large, a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and how they are inherited in high security space.

If a pilot is remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage.

In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.

I take this to mean that the remote repper gets two warnings.
One, his module/drones/whatever stops working on the criminal.
Two, he gets a warning about continuing.
Concordokken fi he continues.

Correct? If so, cheers to CCP for removing a significant amount of douchebaggery from the game.

Should also make it so Concord and gate turrets will shoot pods

HOWEVER!

Add "Smuggler Gates" in all 0.1+ systems that have no turrets, and any pvp action in that area will not spawn NPC..."guards".

That way Gankers can't escape 'slightly' scott free. But can still enjoy the fruits of their lawls.

It also adds more PVP in High-sec as now you can camp said gates and KILL ANYTHING THAT ENTERS THAT AREA. Just like in 0.0

Furthermore, you can use those gates to traffic those pesky illegal items from Empire to Empire

Removing douchebaggery from EVE is like removing raids from WoW.

a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.


To benefit the EVE community at large,

That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP?
I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.

Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already.

a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.


To benefit the EVE community at large,

That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP?
I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.

Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already.

HTFU?

But they didn't get flagged before this change or did they?

Damn right.

They get flagged now, but don't get aggression penalties, such as docking and stargate timers. i.e. The neutral RR ship can insta redock after being flagged. If we all pray together, maybe the flagged repper will now get the same aggression penalties as the attacker.

The key experienmce within the Eve MMO is CONSEQUENCES. If there aren't any, then that part of the game is flawed.

Why should people who want to kill people harden up?
No Incursion runner was ever expected to harden up.
It's incursion runners turn to harden up.

But they can't.
They won't.

And CCP agree they shouldn't have to, therein lies the problem. One demographic of the "larger community" has been preselected to never harden up under any circumstances.

Incursion running is now even more imbalanced than ever before and CCP are showing no sign of appreciating what they're even doing.

wait what?

you hold the hand of a guy shooting someone in a face, and you expect not to be held accountable for it?

WHAAAAAA WAAAAAAAA SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING IN EVE I DON'T LIKE, WAAAAAAA WAAAAA

Why should people who want to kill people harden up?
No Incursion runner was ever expected to harden up.
It's incursion runners turn to harden up.

But they can't.
They won't.

And CCP agree they shouldn't have to, therein lies the problem. One demographic of the "larger community" has been preselected to never harden up under any circumstances.

Incursion running is now even more imbalanced than ever before and CCP are showing no sign of appreciating what they're even doing.

elite fleets

carebears are not the worst bears

act like you're all "elite pvp"

you're not interested in good pvp - you're just after ganking people who don't know how to fight you back so you can pad your killboard

grow some ******* stones and go attack DRF or Goons&Friends

Why should people who want to kill people harden up?

Why should people who want to kill people harden up?
No Incursion runner was ever expected to harden up.
It's incursion runners turn to harden up.

But they can't.
They won't.

And CCP agree they shouldn't have to, therein lies the problem. One demographic of the "larger community" has been preselected to never harden up under any circumstances.

Incursion running is now even more imbalanced than ever before and CCP are showing no sign of appreciating what they're even doing.

I'll repeat the question here as well: what's the actual change?
None of what's said there is new.

The only change is forcing the rr to accept a hostility flag which shoudl prevent them from insta docking. Which means the gate baiters will need different tactic or probably lose some logi ships

OH IM SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW

i understood the point about it throwing a spanner into the plans of incursion gankers, but if this also means that neautral RR on station cant dock instantly, then i'll gladly accept the change.

The only change is forcing the rr to accept a hostility flag which shoudl prevent them from insta docking. Which means the gate baiters will need different tactic or probably lose some logi ships

a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.


To benefit the EVE community at large,

That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP?
I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.

Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already.

lazy casuals already.

Awesome news!

Before this change you could get someone to rep you, and while they were repping you, you could cause a global criminal flag which they would inherit, and they would get no warning. Basically there was nothing the logistics pilot could to to prevent concordokken.

How can anyone be against this change?

Oh dear. So many misinterpretations of the change. I'll try to make it clear:

Before this change you could get someone to rep you, and while they were repping you, you could cause a global criminal flag which they would inherit, and they would get no warning. Basically there was nothing the logistics pilot could to to prevent concordokken.

Now, if you cause global criminal flag, the logistics pilot's reppers will auto-disengage, and if the logistics pilot tries to re-engage them he'll get a warning pop-up.

OP is crying because he/she can no longer use concord as his/her personal carebear ganking pet.

If you have any further inqueries or require any further assistance, please don't hesitate to post again.

Fille

Posting to confirm that someone in University who works 2 jobs and has a family is "lazy".

OP has never actually done it, nor planned to. Oh look you're very clever. Oh wait.

Here's a point you will fail to understand. OP likes hard games with dire consequences for even the smallest mistake.
Eve used to be that game.

Now you, and all the other little girls can miss the point entirely and say something irrelevant that you think sounds clever.
Well go on then... don't hold back now.

GJ CCP If I'm in hi-sec, I'm entitled to know if the action I'm about to take will give someone else the right to shoot at me or not.

The change has nothing to do with GCC (which was fixed,) it has to do with can-flippers. It has nothing to do with logi being concordokken, it has to do with Slimy Worm.

tl;dr If you are in high-sec and someone you are about to rr can legally be shot at by anybody, you are given the option to not rep them (because if you do rr them, whoever can legally shoot them can now legally shoot you.)

Now if CCP would just nerf vanguard payouts about 20% then we'd be set.

Yet another one misunderstanding the issue. It is nothing to do with who you are going to rep, but the people you are already repping.

Clearly I understand the issue better than you.

This latest change overwhelmingly applies to people you are about to start repping

If a pilot is remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage.

Here's a point you will fail to understand. OP likes hard games with dire consequences for even the smallest mistake.
Eve used to be that game.

This confuses me. You say you want a hard game with consequences, but complain when a mechanic makes people work a bit more for a gank? I don't understand the obsession with one sided gameplay. If the game is to be devoid of trust, why do people complain about solo players running missions or mining all day, or people staying in NPC corps forever?

to understand it ..

they want hard game with severe consequences not for them but for "their" targets. Which is actually synonym to easy game for them.

But honestly this brings nothing new. Its just long lasted oversight which has been fixed.

Yet another one misunderstanding the issue. It is nothing to do with who you are going to rep, but the people you are already repping.

but you should always have control over whether you receive an aggression flag or not.

When they came for the CONCORD yo-yoers I stayed silent because I wasn't a CONCORD yo-yoer.
When they came for the wardeccers, I stayed silent because I wasn't a wardeccer.
When they came for the Incursion gankers, I stayed silent because I wasn't an Incursion ganker.

When they come for lowsec, there will be nobody left to speak out for me.

Let me clarify that part of my statement. I am specifically talking about the flags that you receive when you are the one committing a crime or being aggressive. You should be aware of these and they should be triggered by conscious and willful action.

Let me clarify that part of my statement. I am specifically talking about the flags that you receive when you are the one committing a crime or being aggressive. You should be aware of these and they should be triggered by conscious and willful action.

So I can autopilot through lowsec in your vision of the future? After all, I'm not conscious or wilfully aggressive or criminal.
Consciously assisting another pilot carries a risk, consciously talking in local carries a risk, where does it end?

So I can autopilot through lowsec in your vision of the future? After all, I'm not conscious or wilfully aggressive or criminal.
Consciously assisting another pilot carries a risk, consciously talking in local carries a risk, where does it end?

We are talking about high security space here. If that was not already heavily implied I shall state it outright here.

I'd tell you to HTFU, but you've already admitted in another thread that you shouldn't have to . So instead, keep crying and whining about having to work for your reward.

There should be a change for war decs. If you a logistics pilot confirms they want to rep someone then they get the same kill rights as the side they are repairing.
So the enemies can kill them for as long as the war lasts and they can attack the enemy for the war. Them being shot will not create aggression or kill rights for their corp or alliance toward the enemies.

You stick your nose in and you get fully involved.

So where does it end?
Will it be an exploit to fund somebody else who picks on Incursion runners? Because, obviously, the incursion runner has no means of knowing about it, or avoiding it. And that does appear to be CCP's prevalent interpretation of logic here.

In-Corp ganking going to be NuCCP's next target?
Because Energy Core Systems are doing a roaring trade awoxing, if they can get ISD to report on it AND find a way to include Incursion runners in on their party, are you going to step in on that too?

Again, where will it end?

See above, I edited my last reply with relevant information. As for where it will end. I am not a game designer, so I have no say in the matter, nor am I qualified to set the exact context and borders. However, I will ask you to use your common sense (I know, dangerous to do so on the internet) and think about it.

A general guideline is: the rules and circumstances need to be clear for all involved. The rules are clear about corp mates shooting each other. You know, up front, what you are getting into. But in the loophole we closed you may or may not receive an aggression flag... maybe... completely at the mercy of another pilot. Oh, and you will not be warned about it. All the while severely limiting group play for a major game feature.

That is the difference.

So I can autopilot through lowsec in your vision of the future? After all, I'm not conscious or wilfully aggressive or criminal.
Consciously assisting another pilot carries a risk, consciously talking in local carries a risk, where does it end?

See above, I edited my last reply with relevant information. As for where it will end. I am not a game designer, so I have no say in the matter, nor am I qualified to set the exact context and borders. However, I will ask you to use your common sense (I know, dangerous to do so on the internet) and think about it.

A general guideline is: the rules and circumstances need to be clear for all involved. The rules are clear about corp mates shooting each other. You know, up front, what you are getting into. But in the loophole we closed you may or may not receive an aggression flag... maybe... completely at the mercy of another pilot. Oh, and you will not be warned about it. All the while severely limiting group play for a major game feature.

That is the difference.

I think the person you are trying to reason with has lost all reason. I salute you on your brave efforts though Sir/Madam o7

I think the person you are trying to reason with has lost all reason. I salute you on your brave efforts though Sir/Madam o7

This.

You can't reason someone out of an idea they didn't reason themeselves into in the first place.

TL:DR Highsec is risk free aside from wardecs, feel free to trust anyone, fleet anyone, rep anyone, farm anything, and autopilot around the land of rainbows and hugs.

CCP have now nerfed the old wardecced fleet members, remote repping, contracts and all other transactions, and introduced iskcursions. Tell me, where is the harsh and unforgiving part of this game again? Because i'm pretty sure it's supposed to be everywhere.

And as for the trolls claiming that ganking shouldn't be risk free and that griefers are running a one-sided argument, where is the risk that you guys are taking now? What risk is justifying that ridiculous income from incursions? Do you think you are at risk with 3 logis repping you? Do you think that maybe after running hundreds of sites a day that you might get the next one wrong and hit a trigger? Yes that does sound very dangerous, perhaps we should dock up until ccp can help us out with those nasty sanshas too.
Gankers don't need a risk, because in suicide ganking, you're GUARANTEED to lose the ship. You lose ships, isk, modules, and sec status. While the gankee only loses a ship.
You talk about risk free, why should you waltz around in pimp ships with pimp fits, disregarding any thought of risk when you're surrounded by people with a lot less to lose than you have? Would you walk around dark city allyways with your big old platinum chain and rolex hanging out of your shirt? If you do, then you deserve to get them taken from you.

It may be a small effort to rob you of your goodies, but it is an even smaller effort for you to protect them, you just don't do it because it would be inconvenient for you.

why was slavery great and promoted by leaders, be it religious or "state" until 1865.

hmm doesnt matter.

First you cry EVE is overlooked.

Then you cry things happens to EVE.

a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.


To benefit the EVE community at large,

That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP?
I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.

Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already.

I knew the bear pirate tears would start flowing eventually. Didn't expect for it to have almost a day of lag. What, did you just log in and find out your golden ticket was gone?

You think you are the first to think and say such nonsense, but you're not, you're lost in a sea of weaklings who think they're very clever.

You think you are the first to think and say such nonsense, but you're not, you're lost in a sea of weaklings who think they're very clever.

why u so mad bro?
u need a hug.
come're.

What your incessant whines and tears reduce to you wanting people to HTFU so that you don't have to.

You're bitching about not being able to use a loophole mechanic to aid you in padding your sadistic self-esteem.

Its just best to let this void fall into the eternal abyss, but then again we technically are in space where no one can hear you scream XD... but If its what I think it is thats going on, we need to just say our piece and move along, otherwise the blood spilt here will bring the hounds thirsting for more.

What your incessant whines and tears reduce to you wanting people to HTFU so that you don't have to.

You're bitching about not being able to use a loophole mechanic to aid you in padding your sadistic self-esteem.

See this is the crux of the issue you're neither able nor willing to grasp. It's got nothing to do with what I do, it's got everything to do with maintaining an exciting, irrational and often ludicrous gaming experience at the specific expense of safe, easy gold fountains.

I know I just wasted another sentence on your inept, twisted, unthoughtful, easily confused and sub par brain, but maybe somebody who isn't a waste of precious resource will pick it up and understand it. It's not for you. You are just meat.

Or just hide her posts so you don't have to read any of the crying.

Why did Eve NOT need this "EXPLOIT OMG CAN U BELIEVE HAXOR" "mechanic" "hole" patching up until 2011?

I know I just wasted another sentence on your inept, twisted, unthoughtful, easily confused and sub par brain, but maybe somebody who isn't a waste of precious resource will pick it up and understand it. It's not for you. You are just meat.

bad enough when you try opening those legs of yours that bats fly out and green ooze drips out

if only there was a way for it to just stablize long enough for intellegence to show and so that players both new and old can say "there are some real smart people out there, i should be more like them"

^ This.

1. Player A is repping player B
2. Player B steals from his friend player C
3. Player C gains aggression rights towards player A without player A receiving a warning, being informed or given the option to step out
4. Player C gets a risk free kill

In short, we fully endorse people blowing up space ships, but you should always have control over whether you receive an aggression flag or not. This is why can flipping is ok, but why we plugged this particular hole; there was no warning, defense or precautions you could take to combat this tactic, except by not participating in a huge feature of the game.

So you're saying that before this change player A was already getting a warning if player B had stolen from his friend player C 5 minutes ago and player A started repping player B? You're saying that Slimy Worm actually had to show up on grid personally (on his griefing main) to do the can-flipping in the middle of an Incursion site?

If that's true, then I stand corrected. But I seriously doubt Paul Clavet (of My Loot, Your Tears) is that stupid.

If it's not true, then put the paste down and get back to work.

Answering a question that wasn't asked.

That's burns my ass, like a 3' flame.

Before the change, if I can-flip someone and a minute later someone else activates a remote rep module on me, did he get a pop-up warning or not?

This guy says no.

If the correct answer is yes, I stand corrected. If the correct answer is no, then I've been right all along. I've never played station games so I defer to the wisdom of the mouth-breathing experts of that art.

How about Tranquility for Eve.
Singularity for testing.
Multiplicity for CCP testing.
and Blizzard for Incursions?

I think this would just about suit every last subscriber really.

Yes, you would get a warning. The warning would only happen when you start the rep. If the rep was already running you'd get no warning. Why are people having such a hard time with this?

So you're saying that before this change player A was already getting a warning if player B had stolen from his friend player C 5 minutes ago and player A started repping player B? You're saying that Slimy Worm actually had to show up on grid personally (on his griefing main) to do the can-flipping in the middle of an Incursion site? Edit: Or leave a can on grid ahead of time (huge warning flag if a griefer corp can is on grid of a site I'm running.)

I always thought this mechanic was the same as being framed for a crime.

You were a foolish, careless, greedy person who helped someone that you don't know for profit or favors and were framed . The police take you down and the person who framed you benefits.

This is EvE we're talking about here?

Eve isn't real life, and the benefits of encouraging reckless co-op between complete strangers outweight the benefits of allowing such framing shenanigans that makes EvE unique. Or atleast CCP believe so, and I'm inclined to agree.

I fixed your spin to put a little more emphasis on the "important to EvE's uniqueness in a world of ****** PvE MMOs" aspect of the changes....

Why would you start popping out kids when you're still in school and so poor you have to work two jobs?

RR mechanics/loophole is bad for the community.

Dec shield/war dec loophole is good for the community.

gotcha.

I fixed your spin to put a little more emphasis on the "important to EvE's uniqueness in a world of ****** PvE MMOs" aspect of the changes....

Eve needs more bears to keep the griefers happy. CCP can either
-pay them to play even though they don't enjoy it
-make the experience more enjoyable
They're going for option 2 at the moment, presumably because they like making profits.

When all else fails, do the strawman argument and declare victory.

I do not think in sincere honesty that CCP is going to pay anyone, nor would the PVP people pay the "high sec" a sum of money to even get involved... Everyone is throwing blood into the proverbial pot and hoping that the sacrifice would bring a miracle, lets just face it in this community those who believe only in PVP, and those more PvE oriented are in their own respective cults and well despite the arguments and slander going back and forth nothing is changing yet we sit here continuing our discussions about issues in which are leading into oblivion... Soon enough CCP is going to get tired of this and start locking these threads because the point is getting futher and further away and the more people are attacking eachother personally.. In the words of "evelynn" "Now come on, if we must play together we must first learn to share" I hate quoting movies but apparently what I am seeing is a bunch of adults regressed into children who forgot how to share space and want it only to themselves so they can be the kid who has all the power...

EVE again is NOT real life.... To those who insult and call me a hypocrit, look at your real lives people.. What has it become? Sure some of these straight men may have broads for wives they screw everynight because they know their peak is coming to an end and now because they are bored EVE is their only solace next to the bottle of Viagra next to the computer. Or the women who seem to think that men are being hypocritical because they dont like what they are hearing... I may be a minority in the community in life and in EVE, but let me tell everyone something... Unless you can post here without the bias and without the **** falling out of your mouth and actually be proud of your life and its accomplishments then STOP POSTING!... Like i said earlier... Take a sewing needle and thread and physcially have someone glue your mouth shut ( like in the house of wax) and physically sew your mouth shut and just deal with it!. People this is a game not a contest, you want to cry like babies then the mental hospital is in the phone book ... Check yourselves in Voluntarily.... Just dont go crying to me because i dont have sympathy for those who consistently keep this going... If you dont like what EVE has become Leave simple as that... CCP wont miss you... Nor will I or any of the other "true" caring indviduals here in EVE. Go **** that woman do what you have to to make your Egos big and fake ... but dont bring those Egos here... Enough is Enough!

a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.


To benefit the EVE community at large,

That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP?
I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.

Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already.

How about repair drones? Will they stop repairing?

Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic.

How is pointing out that this mechanic was a way to frame players for a crime because they were careless considered off topic?

How is pointing out that mechanics like these are what makes EvE unique considered off topic?

Seems like you just don't want it pointed out that CCP is sliding down a slippery slope to grab more "new subs" at the expense of the open world PvP sandbox.....


When do we get dance emotes for our "real" avatar? and when do we get a NGE with a full pvp flagging system?....there's a few off topic that will be the topic "soon"

How is pointing out that this mechanic was a way to frame players for a crime because they were careless considered off topic?

How is pointing out that mechanics like these are what makes EvE unique considered off topic?

Seems like you just don't want it pointed out that CCP is sliding down a slippery slope to grab more "new subs" at the expense of the open world PvP sandbox.....


When do we get dance emotes for our "real" avatar? and when do we get a NGE with a full pvp flagging system?....there's a few off topic that will be the topic "soon"