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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:00:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:GM Homonoia wrote: 1. Player A is repping player B 2. Player B steals from his friend player C 3. Player C gains aggression rights towards player A without player A receiving a warning, being informed or given the option to step out 4. Player C gets a risk free kill
In short, we fully endorse people blowing up space ships, but you should always have control over whether you receive an aggression flag or not. This is why can flipping is ok, but why we plugged this particular hole; there was no warning, defense or precautions you could take to combat this tactic, except by not participating in a huge feature of the game.
So you're saying that before this change player A was already getting a warning if player B had stolen from his friend player C 5 minutes ago and player A started repping player B? You're saying that Slimy Worm actually had to show up on grid personally (on his griefing main) to do the can-flipping in the middle of an Incursion site? Edit: Or leave a can on grid ahead of time (huge warning flag if a griefer corp can is on grid of a site I'm running.) I don't see where that was said at all as the scenario presented says player A was already repping B. No other cases were presented. Did i miss something? |

Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:05:00 -
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Blood Fart wrote:I always thought this mechanic was the same as being framed for a crime.
You were a foolish, careless, greedy person who helped someone that you don't know for profit or favors and were framed . The police take you down and the person who framed you benefits.
This is EvE we're talking about here?
Eve isn't real life, and the benefits of encouraging co-op between relative strangers outweight the benefits of allowing such framing shenanigans. Or atleast CCP believe so, and I'm inclined to agree.
Edit : Also doctors are not arrested and shot for performing first aid on a mugger, so that argument doesn't even fly :P |

Blood Fart
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:34:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Blood Fart wrote:I always thought this mechanic was the same as being framed for a crime.
You were a foolish, careless, greedy person who helped someone that you don't know for profit or favors and were framed . The police take you down and the person who framed you benefits.
This is EvE we're talking about here? Eve isn't real life, and the benefits of encouraging reckless co-op between complete strangers outweight the benefits of allowing such framing shenanigans that makes EvE unique. Or atleast CCP believe so, and I'm inclined to agree.
I fixed your spin to put a little more emphasis on the "important to EvE's uniqueness in a world of ****** PvE MMOs" aspect of the changes.... |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:58:00 -
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Blood Fart wrote:Takseen wrote:Blood Fart wrote:I always thought this mechanic was the same as being framed for a crime.
You were a foolish, careless, greedy person who helped someone that you don't know for profit or favors and were framed . The police take you down and the person who framed you benefits.
This is EvE we're talking about here? Eve isn't real life, and the benefits of encouraging reckless co-op between complete strangers outweight the benefits of allowing such framing shenanigans that makes EvE unique. Or atleast CCP believe so, and I'm inclined to agree. I fixed your spin to put a little more emphasis on the "important to EvE's uniqueness in a world of ****** PvE MMOs" aspect of the changes.... So you think eve's uniqueness is at risk due to people being aware of the results of their actions and having some measure of control? Why is cooperation so bad for the game to the point that all mechanics should inherently promote distrust as much as possible? |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
272
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:01:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Raendel wrote:Quote:lazy casuals already. Posting to confirm that someone in University who works 2 jobs and has a family is "lazy". Why would you start popping out kids when you're still in school and so poor you have to work two jobs?
this.... oh god THIS!!!
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Aaron Aardvark
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:11:00 -
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RR mechanics/loophole is bad for the community.
Dec shield/war dec loophole is good for the community.
gotcha. |

Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
12
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:33:00 -
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Aaron Aardvark wrote:RR mechanics/loophole is bad for the community.
Dec shield/war dec loophole is good for the community.
gotcha.
The only thing consistent coming out of GMs and CCP is that abuses against carebear are exploits and fixed asap, abuses against killer bears are normal game mechanics and will be protected and upheld by CCP.
Seems like they need another staff purge at CCP Towers. |

Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:42:00 -
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Blood Fart wrote:
I fixed your spin to put a little more emphasis on the "important to EvE's uniqueness in a world of ****** PvE MMOs" aspect of the changes....
Eve needs more bears to keep the griefers happy. CCP can either -pay them to play even though they don't enjoy it -make the experience more enjoyable They're going for option 2 at the moment, presumably because they like making profits. |

Elric Astrius
MarSec Industries Gold Star Alliance
16
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Posted - 2011.11.11 23:22:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Blood Fart wrote:
I fixed your spin to put a little more emphasis on the "important to EvE's uniqueness in a world of ****** PvE MMOs" aspect of the changes....
Eve needs more bears to keep the griefers happy. CCP can either -pay them to play even though they don't enjoy it -make the experience more enjoyable They're going for option 2 at the moment, presumably because they like making profits.
I do not think in sincere honesty that CCP is going to pay anyone, nor would the PVP people pay the "high sec" a sum of money to even get involved... Everyone is throwing blood into the proverbial pot and hoping that the sacrifice would bring a miracle, lets just face it in this community those who believe only in PVP, and those more PvE oriented are in their own respective cults and well despite the arguments and slander going back and forth nothing is changing yet we sit here continuing our discussions about issues in which are leading into oblivion... Soon enough CCP is going to get tired of this and start locking these threads because the point is getting futher and further away and the more people are attacking eachother personally.. In the words of "evelynn" "Now come on, if we must play together we must first learn to share" I hate quoting movies but apparently what I am seeing is a bunch of adults regressed into children who forgot how to share space and want it only to themselves so they can be the kid who has all the power...
EVE again is NOT real life.... To those who insult and call me a hypocrit, look at your real lives people.. What has it become? Sure some of these straight men may have broads for wives they screw everynight because they know their peak is coming to an end and now because they are bored EVE is their only solace next to the bottle of Viagra next to the computer. Or the women who seem to think that men are being hypocritical because they dont like what they are hearing... I may be a minority in the community in life and in EVE, but let me tell everyone something... Unless you can post here without the bias and without the **** falling out of your mouth and actually be proud of your life and its accomplishments then STOP POSTING!... Like i said earlier... Take a sewing needle and thread and physcially have someone glue your mouth shut ( like in the house of wax) and physically sew your mouth shut and just deal with it!. People this is a game not a contest, you want to cry like babies then the mental hospital is in the phone book ... Check yourselves in Voluntarily.... Just dont go crying to me because i dont have sympathy for those who consistently keep this going... If you dont like what EVE has become Leave simple as that... CCP wont miss you... Nor will I or any of the other "true" caring indviduals here in EVE. Go **** that woman do what you have to to make your Egos big and fake ... but dont bring those Egos here... Enough is Enough! |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
260
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Posted - 2011.11.12 01:01:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:why was slavery great and promoted by leaders, be it religious or "state" until 1865.
hmm doesnt matter.
First you cry EVE is overlooked.
Then you cry things happens to EVE. When all else fails, do the strawman argument and declare victory.
Why shouldn't he, it seems to work for you.  To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
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Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
32
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Posted - 2011.11.12 01:37:00 -
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things change, evolution happens, get over it and play the game you love enough to be angry about. If you really dont like it petition. Other than tat what do you want? |

Aaron Aardvark
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 02:55:00 -
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Elric Astrius wrote:Takseen wrote:Blood Fart wrote:
I fixed your spin to put a little more emphasis on the "important to EvE's uniqueness in a world of ****** PvE MMOs" aspect of the changes....
Eve needs more bears to keep the griefers happy. CCP can either -pay them to play even though they don't enjoy it -make the experience more enjoyable They're going for option 2 at the moment, presumably because they like making profits. I do not think in sincere honesty that CCP is going to pay anyone, nor would the PVP people pay the "high sec" a sum of money to even get involved... Everyone is throwing blood into the proverbial pot and hoping that the sacrifice would bring a miracle, lets just face it in this community those who believe only in PVP, and those more PvE oriented are in their own respective cults and well despite the arguments and slander going back and forth nothing is changing yet we sit here continuing our discussions about issues in which are leading into oblivion... Soon enough CCP is going to get tired of this and start locking these threads because the point is getting futher and further away and the more people are attacking eachother personally.. In the words of "evelynn" "Now come on, if we must play together we must first learn to share" I hate quoting movies but apparently what I am seeing is a bunch of adults regressed into children who forgot how to share space and want it only to themselves so they can be the kid who has all the power... EVE again is NOT real life.... To those who insult and call me a hypocrit, look at your real lives people.. What has it become? Sure some of these straight men may have broads for wives they screw everynight because they know their peak is coming to an end and now because they are bored EVE is their only solace next to the bottle of Viagra next to the computer. Or the women who seem to think that men are being hypocritical because they dont like what they are hearing... I may be a minority in the community in life and in EVE, but let me tell everyone something... Unless you can post here without the bias and without the **** falling out of your mouth and actually be proud of your life and its accomplishments then STOP POSTING!... Like i said earlier... Take a sewing needle and thread and physcially have someone glue your mouth shut ( like in the house of wax) and physically sew your mouth shut and just deal with it!. People this is a game not a contest, you want to cry like babies then the mental hospital is in the phone book ... Check yourselves in Voluntarily.... Just dont go crying to me because i dont have sympathy for those who consistently keep this going... If you dont like what EVE has become Leave simple as that... CCP wont miss you... Nor will I or any of the other "true" caring indviduals here in EVE. Go **** that woman do what you have to to make your Egos big and fake ... but dont bring those Egos here... Enough is Enough! Holy ****! What drugs are you taking? |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2011.11.12 03:16:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:a small change has been made to game mechanics in regarding criminal flags and-áhow they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot-áis remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.
To benefit the EVE community at large,
That's a bit of a ******* stretch don't you think CCP? I mean, I know your interpretation of this rings true, but if you apply it instead to the current community, it's just another kick in the bollocks.
Incursions are already milking so much isk normal game play can't compete, and now you give them even more.... as if you hadn't made enough to concessions to lazy casuals already.
You still have the right to grieff gank "pvp" with concord agreement and in all safety.
You want candies?
I'll give you lol cats |

Renturu
Tribal Spirit Tribal Unity Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.11.12 05:11:00 -
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Arigato Gozaimasu wrote:How about repair drones? Will they stop repairing?
Off Topic.. I liked you cuz yer Bewbeez
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Dirty Weegie
The Dirty Rejects Scelus Sceleris.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 06:07:00 -
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Ganker tears make me warm and fuzzy on the inside If you can't win fair... Cheat |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
149

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Posted - 2011.11.12 09:35:00 -
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Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Blood Fart
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.11.12 17:15:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic.
How is pointing out that this mechanic was a way to frame players for a crime because they were careless considered off topic?
How is pointing out that mechanics like these are what makes EvE unique considered off topic?
Seems like you just don't want it pointed out that CCP is sliding down a slippery slope to grab more "new subs" at the expense of the open world PvP sandbox.....
When do we get dance emotes for our "real" avatar? and when do we get a NGE with a full pvp flagging system?....there's a few off topic that will be the topic "soon"
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.13 21:08:00 -
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Blood Fart wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic. How is pointing out that this mechanic was a way to frame players for a crime because they were careless considered off topic? How is pointing out that mechanics like these are what makes EvE unique considered off topic? Seems like you just don't want it pointed out that CCP is sliding down a slippery slope to grab more "new subs" at the expense of the open world PvP sandbox..... When do we get dance emotes for our "real" avatar? and when do we get a NGE with a full pvp flagging system?....there's a few off topic that will be the topic "soon" This does not reduce eve's uniqueness. It levels the playing field. It disallows the use of concord in a way that couldn't be exploited by the gankee but could be used at will by gankers. And more importantly it gives people control over their actions, something that should always be present considering the consequences. Why support decidedly asocial mechanics in an MMO? I thought the idea of incursion PUG's was to promote teamwork and player interaction, not drive people back to highsec lvl 4 solo play in NPC corps forever. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
132
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Posted - 2011.11.13 22:16:00 -
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Blood Fart wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic. How is pointing out that this mechanic was a way to frame players for a crime because they were careless considered off topic? How is pointing out that mechanics like these are what makes EvE unique considered off topic? Seems like you just don't want it pointed out that CCP is sliding down a slippery slope to grab more "new subs" at the expense of the open world PvP sandbox..... When do we get dance emotes for our "real" avatar? and when do we get a NGE with a full pvp flagging system?....there's a few off topic that will be the topic "soon"
Yes EvE is unique and the griefing ensures that it will never be more than unique.
You can still run bubble camps in 0.0 NPC space if you want.
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