It was unfortunate. It appears that the miners there have dreams of AFK mining and instancing...and security entitlement is already running rampant. Im afraid the madness has gripped them all before the act of mining can even start.


It appears that Star Citizen, and its forums, are in need of my services.

Did you see they called us names for not giving the developers lots of money for a game not even out yet?

We're are "grays." Sounds racist.

Trolling the competition is so nineties. But then so is getting people to photograph themselves in indecent situations for virtual currency.

Never mind. Carry on.

But I will link this thread the next time a bunch of WOWsers decide to do the same thing here and y'all get huffy about it.

Mr Epeen

We genuinely wanted to say hi and plant our flag upon their forum.

Going to laugh my ass off if SC is a massive flop.

Going to laugh my ass off when SC is a massive flop.

This was funny "Just some infamous EVE bad guys dropped in to say hello."

I think they have seriously underestimated you.

As I was responding, the SC trolls seemed to get all mad and locked the thread.

It seemed like a very ... erm ... defensive thread.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/105047/hi-eve-friends

I have officially announced on the Star Citizen forums that I will be bringing all of joys of Eve to their universe as well.

Please join me in this noble quest as we remind everyone who rage quit Eve that we are bringing the sandbox with us.

INBL for discussing another game. Kind of funny though.

Good news, you can still all post there. It seems, strangely, that I have been muted from responding in that one particular thread, while all sorts of pay to win trolls can post freely.

I can't wait for the first SC bank, the first credit doubling business, the first corp theft...

.... so many reasons to give it a try during our 15 minute timers. This silliness about about "which" game to play doesn't make sense. This is the primarily confusion I think.

It's very likely they'll have rules to restrict the meta gaming. I give you a couple days till account is banned.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/105047/hi-eve-friends

I have officially announced on the Star Citizen forums that I will be bringing all of joys of Eve to their universe as well.

Please join me in this noble quest as we remind everyone who rage quit Eve that we are bringing the sandbox with us.

In all seriousness, their community is shockingly hostile to criticism in a way I have only ever seen of Scientologists and vegans.

I only hope that their moderators and in-game people will ban as many griefers as possible before they can get a toehold in that game.

I don't even know if I will play it, but if some of the groups that we have in Eve get established in SC, that can spell the doom for a new game.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/105047/hi-eve-friends

I have officially announced on the Star Citizen forums that I will be bringing all of joys of Eve to their universe as well.

Please join me in this noble quest as we remind everyone who rage quit Eve that we are bringing the sandbox with us.

While I support adding some of the chaos of Eve to SC, it just isn't going to happen. SC is being designed along the WoW model of not letting anything bad happen to the special snowflakes. It appears to be a space carebear paradise where miners will be free to AFK/bot mine. It will also have WiS. I'm sure many Eve players will give it a try. I think that many of the hardcore Eve carebears will love it. They will quit Eve and go play SC. In a few months, they will be bored of SC's themepark and quit that too. If we're all lucky they will come back to Eve after realizing what made it special to them. They might even comeback as "industrialists" and "pvpers" instead of as carebears.

Going to laugh my ass off if SC is a massive flop.

The makers of SC aren't going to allow that to happen (and it's not a bad choice IMO, not every game has to do the same things). I gave them money and will play it because I loved wing commander, but it won't be anything like EVE.

What are you going to do if SC will be a massive success?

Hey like I said...

someone's gotta start a SC bank, an investment fund, etc...

Should we take bets on how many corps Psychotic Monk gets into within a year or 2?

Just for fun guys, every time you do something naughty in SC, please say "welcome to Eve."

I have noticed this as well. There seems to be a crapton of immersion breaking invisible walls in the game design.

To anyone who is genuinely interested in up and coming sandbox experience, I recommend The Repopulation. It's creator has cited numerous design influences to Ultima Online (all praise be) and Star Wars Galaxies (pre ruined version), as well as our own EVE Online.

To me, it shows considerable promise.

the moment you said, pre-ruined SWG, i gotta take a look at this (though, by pre-ruined, do you mean before Combat Upgrade, or before the "NGE"? pre-nge was still fun, but IMO CU was the first ruin-ation [bleh im not a dictionary])

Too bad it isn't f2p, will have to pass.

...

I mean NGE, as that was when I quit.

Oh my friend, they are far from f2p. Even the forums are P2W!

Look at the entitlement that oozes from just that one thread...and there are hundreds of more entitled threads on that forum! The game hasn't even gotten beyond the hangar yet....

Am I the only one who enjoys the fact that I have roughly a dozen video games on my machine at a time? I want to play EVE, and Elite, and SC and BL2, and a ton of other games. I play whatever I am in the mood for. Hell sometimes I spend 4 hours in Pyfa alone. Why can't they all exist, be different *AND* good?

Screw all you guys trying to make SC into EVE 2.0. And screw all you guys who are trying to make EVE into WoW.

Let EVE be EVE and let SC be SC.

I wanted to play X-Rebirth, but it quite frankly sucked.

Even the forums are P2W!

Now that's an idea! The Eve-O forums should charge an Aurum CSPA charge to post! Brb, pitching it to CCP!

In all seriousness, their community is shockingly hostile to criticism in a way I have only ever seen of Scientologists and vegans.

I feel the need to let you know that trolling here is prohibited.. just kidding lol

Do let us know your SC name so we can watch your posts there with buckets of popcorn ready.

Now that's an idea! The Eve-O forums should charge an Aurum CSPA charge to post! Brb, pitching it to CCP!

You are being too kind.

I pre-purchased X:R, and when I finally got it delivered, it was a totally unplayable bugfest. I too wanted to like it, but I couldn't get over the fact that it was a poorly made console game that was ported to PC. It took many patches and many restarts of the campaign before I could even get halfway through without a major bug breaking it. Several times I found myself hunting through the .xml files to bypass one broken mechanic after another. I haven't played it for quite awhile now... I keep seeing patchnotes come through on my notifications..so hopefully one day when Im bored, ill give it another try and itll work.

Until then, Ill keep playing Eve, even though its clearly dead, and regret the time I cheated on it with the semi-console flopfest that killed it.

And the Eve community.

There is more in common between the two than I thought.

Mr Epeen

That thread was hilarious. They really have no concept of the subversive power an influx of eve players will bring. It is adorable.

In all seriousness, their community is shockingly hostile to criticism in a way I have only ever seen of Scientologists and vegans.

Today is the first time I took a look at SC. Sure ok, the graphics are nice. But people are actually giving money, lots of money for a game that isn't even out yet? Seems crazy to me.

In other words , SWTOR and Star Trek Online (STO) all over again. STO specifically is everything 'they' say they want, walking around on/in things, no non-consensual pvp, no real losing stuff when you 'die', "griefers banned for life on the 1st offense" (or even thinking about the 1st offense lol) and so on. Loudly did some leave for a 'better game', quietly did they slink back when they came to realize that they only;y thought they wanted to be super safe and away from the 'griefers', because those griefers and the dangers of EVE give their game play meaning.....

It's official, I have brought Jita to SC...

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/JITA

As CEO of JITA, you guys are all welcome to app in to make SC a better place.

Love it how these SC people think there will be no way no how that someone will be able to AFK mine in their game, if it ever comes out.

Botters will always figure out a way to bot, its what they do. Thinking otherwise is delusional.

Real physics and things sounds like an uber lag fest waititng to happen.

There is a difference between botters and AFKers. Botters are using out of game tools to automate their in game activity. AFKers are using in-game tools to automate their in-game activity.

Not much of a different though.

If SC does have a mining system that prevents AFK mining, then it becomes a matter of convincing CCP to copy it to end AFK mining in Eve. Unless it's something silly like 'mining' in Freelancer.


Are they going with a newtonian or relativistic model ?

There is a difference between botters and AFKers. Botters are using out of game tools to automate their in game activity. AFKers are using in-game tools to automate their in-game activity.

Not much of a different though.

If SC does have a mining system that prevents AFK mining, then it becomes a matter of convincing CCP to copy it to end AFK mining in Eve. Unless it's something silly like 'mining' in Freelancer.


Are they going with a newtonian or relativistic model ?

You can only have one forum character but unlimited in-game characters, so I guess I won't be offering ship trading services and honest investment funds on the forums under different characters.

But they seem to completely miss the fact that we can use our Eve-trained out of the box thinking to handle any game mechanic or rule. For instance, what's to stop our pirate corps from ganking ships and allowing our high sec alts scoop the loot? Even if scooping loot raises a suspect flag, we can just use pirate characters to scoop, then immediately jetcan to an alt or at a nearby station.

I wasn't going to say it publicly, but I would very much like to organize such fun activities. I totally agree we should gate camp them into highsec with pirates and haul the loot with our honourable citizens, perhaps in a convoy lol

It doesn't matter so much who runs everything- perhaps just an alliance or coalition of sorts, but guys we have got to get a bunch of Eve guys together to share the joys of the sandbox with millions of SC players in some sort of organized fashion.

Sorry, but no. I'm supposed to stay completely anonymous, and it would be bad form to have someone who officially works for CCP Games comment on the Star Citizen forums, wouldn't it? Also, who's to say I even have an account there?

Anyway, carry on.

I don't remember mining in freelancer could you really do that? I did the plot line and joined a couple of servers on the ms global server but had to give up when I upgraded my pc as Windows vista couldn't see the global server. That's why I joined eve.

It seems to me that the community over in sc are just too happy clappy and care bearing for their own good, they've brought this on themselves. We will teach them to understand risk and htfu. We'd be doing them a public service and eventually they will thank us.

By the way guys, they get really mad when we use Eve terminology. Can someone go ahead and make a Star Citizen wiki, but instead of the terms they want us to use, make those secondary terms to Eve's. For example, high sec, tackling, awox, etc.

I'd love if new players start using phrases such as "haha, that ganker got Concorded," with SC bitterbackervets raging over the terminology that gets accepted by the broad playerbase.

My first JITA corporation recuit application has been accepted!

Welcome to Jita, Unsuccessful At Everything!

The door is open to all Eve players. Keep in mind we are a, um, peaceful trading corporation...

*edit* thinking about giving him all sorts of roles and titles. It could be the best decision ever, or the beginning of the first SC safari.

o7

I know I always say "don't do Jita", but in this case, do Jita! Do the ******* hell out of it.

I guess i'll spend some time researching SC.. maybe I can think of other ways to torcher the SC bears... crap and i'm a carebear in eve... oh well, as I said, eve has corrupted me.

mmh i think im already banned on the sc forums for some reason , dont have permission to reply and or quote anymore lol

I thought the same. When they move threads to "off topic" only people who give them cash can post. You can probably still post in most sections. They only allow one forum account. If you make 2, they will ban them all and ask you to pick the one you want to use.

So far none of the ones who quit Eve with lots of assets are willing to log back in and give me all their stuff.

App sent. Even the most rabid eve bears look like zoro compared to the SC forums. SC handle - Xicsess.

Welcome to Jita! Definitely try out the chat function.

One other point of comedy, for me, is this: In SC they yammer on about having a ship crewed by players, superior player controlled gun mounts, coordination, yadda yadda.

Really, and what happens when one or more of your crew has worse latency than you (often), loses connection to the server (also common), or a bug pops up that puts a crew out of sync with each other and the ship?

Whoops.

yea I was scratching my head that too. Like running a fleet is not hard enough, each ship will have to micromanage its 'crew' this game sounds more and more crazy/scammy

I thought the same. When they move threads to "off topic" only people who give them cash can post. You can probably still post in most sections. They only allow one forum account. If you make 2, they will ban them all and ask you to pick the one you want to use.

So far none of the ones who quit Eve with lots of assets are willing to log back in and give me all their stuff.

btw , what you guys bought to post on the forums? i wanne joooiiin

I bought a rust bucket for like $45 and added $10 for some extra credits. You have to look at the package details to see if it includes alpha and beta access. As tempting as it was to spend 10 grand to get more internet spaceships and blueprints, I passed on that.

cools , gonna check it out

Are there customizable roles? If so I'd like to request the title 'rabid eve bear'

Not yet, but as soon as theyre available... Im sure we will come up with some rather interesting role titles....

Not yet, but as soon as theyre available... Im sure we will come up with some rather interesting role titles....

We can edit titles, but I think just a handful to assign. I'm gonna leave that up to UAE.

Right now there are only 4 roles including CEO. There is a recruiter role, a marketing role (edit corp description and crap), and essentially a director role that can do just about everything. They claim there will be more like diplo, etc. They have a rank system within corp that is just cosmetic or useful for organizing people somehow. I checked, and they have dumbed down corp shares... I have to resign to change ownership, there are no corp shares in corp wallet to steal lol

We can write up a "manifesto" and "charter' for the corp and I'm sure whatever it is, it will be amazing because I won't be writing it.

*edit*

More SC Chat:

http://imgur.com/on0SWcm

Apparently all Eve players are going to die at the hands of the leet SC community. Also, someone thinks Eve ships are too expensive.... you know, cause it's so much cheaper in SC...

I love the guy who said that he played Eve for a month..and called it dull.


Im sorry, but the full New Eden universe provides exponentially more content than the current entirety of Star Citizen. At least our hangars...are currently ONLINE. We even have couches to sit on and television to watch.

If they get this upset with the idea of highsec scrubs from EVE entering their game imagine their horror when we show up.

I'm sure JITA corp members will get lots of clicks on their 21 day EVE trial links.

Personally I can't wait for the reactions when these guys hire gunners like Monk...

Random SC guy: "whoa man, what're you doing? I paid you to help me. Why are you shooting our own ships?"
Psychotic Monk: "pay me 10,000 credits and I'll stop."
Random SC guy: "Ok, paid, but why aren't you shooting the enemy?"
Psychotic Monk: "That'll cost you another 10,000 credits."
Random SC guy: "Ok, I paid, why are you still not shooting?"
Psychotic Monk: "You took too long, gotta go to the grocery. o7"

lol what?!? "point and click eve won't be able to fly in SC.." like you will be able to fly in SC from day one.. right... if you get alpha then any eve player that forked out will have alpha, and thus will be bale to fly just as well as you will, only they will prolly crash into you and go 'oops still learning... *crash* oops sorry.. *crash*" lol

Edit: I love all these ships with mannable turrets. Who wants to sit in a space fight and NOT be flying a spaceship? Insanity.

We can write up a "manifesto" and "charter' for the corp and I'm sure whatever it is, it will be amazing because I won't be writing it.

*edit*

More SC Chat:

http://imgur.com/on0SWcm

Apparently all Eve players are going to die at the hands of the leet SC community. Also, someone thinks Eve ships are too expensive.... you know, cause it's so much cheaper in SC...

Lets be honest. Since I haven't seen boarding parties or multi-person ship control videos yet - I'm not holding my breath.

The bit that has me laughing is the amount of forum posts talking about 'immersion.' The evils of the 3rd person camera, and the want for piracy - but not wanting any meaningful negative consequence for pirates or for their targets.

I also enjoy the blatent: EvE has no tactical depth and no story. This screams of "I love themepark games because I'm too lazy or boring to make my own content."

Edit: I love all these ships with mannable turrets. Who wants to sit in a space fight and NOT be flying a spaceship? Insanity.

We can edit titles, but I think just a handful to assign. I'm gonna leave that up to UAE.

Right now there are only 4 roles including CEO. There is a recruiter role, a marketing role (edit corp description and crap), and essentially a director role that can do just about everything. They claim there will be more like diplo, etc. They have a rank system within corp that is just cosmetic or useful for organizing people somehow. I checked, and they have dumbed down corp shares... I have to resign to change ownership, there are no corp shares in corp wallet to steal lol

We can write up a "manifesto" and "charter' for the corp and I'm sure whatever it is, it will be amazing because I won't be writing it.

*edit*

More SC Chat:

http://imgur.com/on0SWcm

Apparently all Eve players are going to die at the hands of the leet SC community. Also, someone thinks Eve ships are too expensive.... you know, cause it's so much cheaper in SC...

It's like having smack talk from a carebear!

And I'm back on the thread! I went ahead and purchased a snazzy ship package along with some additional credits.

Maybe they will have their SC client minimized, along with their Eve client minimized (which would be afk mining) while they watch tv. You know, carebear fun times.

I'm having an enlightening chat with the SC guys.

One was kind enough to link me this guide (nicknamed the big scam). Most just trolled me.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/79442/the-big-star-citizen-admirer-s-manual-100-page-long-22-000-word-manual-on-everything-star-citize/p1

Speaking of scams, I asked if scams would be against the rules. A forum moderator had previously told me that scams are against the rules for breaking the "common sense" rule. The rule he cited mentioned nothing about what he was talking about. I read through all the forum rules and eula and found nothing at all that makes scams against the rules. Furthermore, the company's language treated in-game assets just as CCP does- they own it, we do not. Now, I am not a lawyer, so if I missed something in the rules, chime in!

In my chat with these players, they said all sorts of things, few citing any actual documentation whatsoever, just stating their opinions as though they are facts.

I asked, well blowing ships up and murdering their captains in game may be considered bad as well. "Oh that's different" I was told.

I'll read this "big book" which is written by a player who has documented official videos and writings. But so far, I see tons of people just making **** up and passing it along as fact.

You can only have one forum character but unlimited in-game characters, so I guess I won't be offering ship trading services and honest investment funds on the forums under different characters.

But they seem to completely miss the fact that we can use our Eve-trained out of the box thinking to handle any game mechanic or rule. For instance, what's to stop our pirate corps from ganking ships and allowing our high sec alts scoop the loot? Even if scooping loot raises a suspect flag, we can just use pirate characters to scoop, then immediately jetcan to an alt or at a nearby station.

I wasn't going to say it publicly, but I would very much like to organize such fun activities. I totally agree we should gate camp them into highsec with pirates and haul the loot with our honourable citizens, perhaps in a convoy lol

It doesn't matter so much who runs everything- perhaps just an alliance or coalition of sorts, but guys we have got to get a bunch of Eve guys together to share the joys of the sandbox with millions of SC players in some sort of organized fashion.

Couple problems with your premises.

1. In SC ships dont drop loot. None. Go ahead, bring your secure space alts.

2. There are no jetcans.

3. 90% of inhabitants of the SC universe are NPC's. Bumpers will be hard pressed to even find a miner since they will have their sliders set to PVE.

4. Captains cant be murdered. There is no mutiny.

5. Mining will be a hands on profession. No AFK miners since they will be actively involved in mining.

6. There is no global chat

7. The economy is NPC driven

Enjoy your time in the verse. I think you will be bored to tears.

Again, opinions.

1. Tell that to the SC guys- they all seem to think differently.

2. I bet there will be a way to eject cargo- there is in most games like this.

3. Yes, we all know how NPC's look and act JUST like players. You know, SC will be the first game ever to get this right.

4. Ships can be boarded, possibly with captains murdered- pay attention to the discussion over at the SC site.

5. Mining might be hands on, while other indications are it will benefit someone with more yield if they are hands on. Bots will likely be programmed. There is always a need for the CODE.

6. I'm sure there is a way to tell another ship captain he better give me credits or he's going to blow up.

7. The economy is shared with NPC's that supposedly will participate in markets via AI but no company manipulation. We will see about that. It makes sense that NPC trading will be necessary for seeding, but may decline over time.

I am bored just waiting on this game to come out. It's been how long now and how long til it comes out? So much hate lol

The funniest thing I see people say is that the game is run by the simple rule "be good" and if you violate this vague rule, you will be booted. A carebear paradise?

Oh yeah, and guys there is no skilling training. Everyone can fly everything and do everything, though you might have to pass a licensing test to do some things.

So if we want to go steal a capital ship, we can do it on day one!

ROFL... you guys are in for such a rude awakeneing. ROFL!!!!!

You do realize you have to actually fly the ship right. And to board a ship you have to disable it without destroying it. You need to disable each individual thruster and bring it to a stop first.

You also realize of course that it will be Orgs flying those capital ships with actual players manning the controls and flying sortes in their own ships. Of course you do...:)

It might be that the people in SC are in for a rude awakening. I read that while frowned on you can easily murder pods. and so what if the UEE or whatever comes to there aid, we eve players have experience with concord, so seriously once the mechanics are figured out you will see suicide ganking, jump camping, and random theft. Unless this is a 100% theme park rail type game, if there is any leeway towards real pvp and piracy you can bet eve players who have experience will utilize it to the full potential. And i can;t believe i am going to say this cause i think the code is stupid... but Citizens will eventually bend to the code. And even if the ships don;t drop anything, which would defeat the whole point of piracy... it will still be fun to make people cry. And i plan on saying 'EvE sends it regards" to every SC i kill.

ROFL.. the code is meaningless. We will simply say no to any ransom demand. This has already been discusses ad nauseum in the community. At that point you will have two choices...leave... or try to shoot us. And since no loot drops from SC ships yuou will go away empty handed.

It will cost you in repairs and reputation. A precious commodity in SC.

So, come on over big guy. With our PVE sliders, the only thing you will ever see is NPC's and they dont give a damn about your code.

actually the slider only reduces your chances of pvp, not eliminates it. It takes your slider, and mine, and then does a dice roll. so for example if i am 10 full on pvp and you are 0 no pvp the pc will rolly a dice, if it lands on 20 i see you, if not i see npc's. Thats how it works. PVP is not 100% avoided. just less likely. Which makes me laugh that people think this will kill eve but i digress again

actually the slider only reduces your chances of pvp, not eliminates it. It takes your slider, and mine, and then does a dice roll. so for example if i am 10 full on pvp and you are 0 no pvp the pc will rolly a dice, if it lands on 20 i see you, if not i see npc's. Thats how it works. PVP is not 100% avoided. just less likely. Which makes me laugh that people think this will kill eve but i digress again

The slider is part of the match making system, and that system is modified by the slider settings. Also the slider doesnt work in lawless space so you wont be finding most of us anyway, since we will be in secure space.

The people you will find are very experienced pilots in full HOTAS setups just waiting for someone to wander by. You kknow, SC pirates.

Out of a few hundred thousand, perhaps millions, you think they will all say no to ransoms because a few guys in the forums said that? Without ransoms and loot drops, there is little point to piracy... except for the fact that the company has outright stated that non-consensual pvp will be allowed and expected in all space and that pirates will be shooting merchants for... wait for it... the cargo.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam over in SC forums, there is a huge misperception that we will all be flying our mains around with no alts whatsoever, so we will fail miserably and hate the game.

A game with no skill training and unlimited alts is a suicide ganking paradise. Sure, we'll have to crunch some numbers, examine mechanics, and pour over the rules, but I have a strong feeling we will be the only ones doing so. The others will just be crying.

Now before someone tries to quote me yet again as trying to "grief" or "harass" the dear SC community, nothing could be further from the truth. We simply want to play in the same sandbox and will just do it better.

Out of a few hundred thousand, perhaps millions, you think they will all say no to ransoms because a few guys in the forums said that? Without ransoms and loot drops, there is little point to piracy... except for the fact that the company has outright stated that non-consensual pvp will be allowed and expected in all space and that pirates will be shooting merchants for... wait for it... the cargo.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam over in SC forums, there is a huge misperception that we will all be flying our mains around with no alts whatsoever, so we will fail miserably and hate the game.

A game with no skill training and unlimited alts is a suicide ganking paradise. Sure, we'll have to crunch some numbers, examine mechanics, and pour over the rules, but I have a strong feeling we will be the only ones doing so. The others will just be crying.

Now before someone tries to quote me yet again as trying to "grief" or "harass" the dear SC community, nothing could be further from the truth. We simply want to play in the same sandbox and will just do it better.

No you are coming over to scam us every which way possible. Your reputation proceeds you. And now you are in a nice, handy group where you can be watched. Lot of Eve players in SC. We know Monk, we know you, we know whats coming.

The real arrogance is you thinking you can hoodwink us all just by showing up. Well, it aint gonna work that way.

This isnt Catalyst land. There are no cheap throw away boats and there are no boats that arent shielded and well armed.

Merchants in lawless space will be heavily guarded. They kknow whats there. And you wont be able to get near secure space, so... pfft... we is shakin in our little space boots. No really we are. Ok, maybe not.

EVE is just a game. So is SC. Each has its own rules and mechanics. I am proud of my reputation in Eve. So is Monk and countless others. We will adapt to this new game's reality and have fun. Do, however, feel free to all tip my bounty. Maybe if you make me the #1 bountied player in Star Citizen on day one and keep me there, I will be terribly miserable all the time and you guys will win.

Or, we could just laugh at your presumption and naivete as we blow you up again and again. The verse is waiting, and so are we.

or you could see the game delayed, and delayed and any money you contributed pissed away. *shrugs*

but really you should be happy some eve players want to mess around in it, in the end SC taking out money means it last longer.

All out of pithy insults now I see. ROFL. How typical.

no, no insults, i just think you are delusional on how SC will function. will be fun to try anyway

Well I will see you all in the Jita org then. Perhaps we can swap tea cozys while I am funneling information to select Orgs dedicated to protecting the innocent and cuddly merchants and workers of the 'verse.

Ah, this made me smile.

By the way, I got my first SC mail from a guy over there interested in EVE. He played EVE off and on a couple times and was looking for advice if he comes back. I typed up a longass mail and offered him some possible no-strings-attached starting funds (1 plex) if he decides to give it a go. Oh, and he said he wanted to learn to make isk like I do.

It's actually a really nice mail that I'd love to have posted on some popular EVE online fansite, but I may ask if he's okay with it. After all, I'm building bridges of sorts.

Speaking of scams, I asked if scams would be against the rules. A forum moderator had previously told me that scams are against the rules for breaking the "common sense" rule. The rule he cited mentioned nothing about what he was talking about. I read through all the forum rules and eula and found nothing at all that makes scams against the rules

Oh my where to start. a few things EvE players need to understand is that SC will cater to all playstyles,

But which, if any, playestyles will it do well ?