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DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.16 07:25:00 - [1] Quote: Despite a few false starts in several weeks, we now are preparing to implement a new update on Wednesday, 17 September. Without further ado, I present the highlights of the upcoming patch. There's a lot coming, so grab some popcorn and a soda and start reading.... Patchnotes ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2003.09.16 07:45:00 - [2] WooooHooooo Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Kerry	Posted - 2003.09.16 07:58:00 - [3] No new skills... No new ore... No new mineral... Everything must be in another patch.
rocknic	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:14:00 - [4] well it looks like quite an extensive patch...cleaning up the odds and sods is a good thing.
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:15:00 - [5] Quote: No new skills... No new ore... No new mineral... But still the same old ***ing! Totally ignore the pages of improvements and changes. *** about what's not there. THAT'S the constructive thing to do. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Marquise	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:20:00 - [6] I've got to say, thats the biggest list of patch notes I've EVER seen. GJ CCP Marquise "In the end it all came down to one wonderfully simple principle: that happiness and vanity are incompatible."
Lucas De'Thal	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:25:00 - [7] he he, wait til u see how much harder the npcs pirates are. he he, wreaking damage from soldiers..... i see a surge in cruisers sales a comin... ______________________________________________ Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter dev chat: Mar 18, 2004 hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S " dev chat: Feb 12, 2004
Kerry	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:27:00 - [8] Quote: Quote: No new skills... No new ore... No new mineral... But still the same old ***ing! Totally ignore the pages of improvements and changes. *** about what's not there. THAT'S the constructive thing to do. WHOA!!! You just need to mellow out lots... There was no ***ing there in the least. You must have severe relationship issues if someone musing and noting things is ***ing. The fact that they are on another patch is A.O.K. with me and many others that are happy with all these extensive much needed changes.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:28:00 - [9] All i can say about this patch is, when an apocolypse or armageddon strolls up on you, i hope you're ready cause tachyons can rip my ravens shields apart in about 3 volleys.. it's nasty. Missles got a lot better, but IMO still can't compete with turrets. The tachyon laser is king of damage, I don't think any conventional setup can beat a battleship with tachyons.. gotta think outside the box if you wanna beat that setup. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Ranandor	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:31:00 - [10] I thought deep core mining was in this patch ? Also where are the elite frigates ? None of this patch is new content.
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:39:00 - [11] Nice Patch. Quite a lot in this one. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Drutort	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:39:00 - [12] there is no say that the LOOT TABLES HAVE BEEN FIXED... so we get stronger NPC pirates but they drop same ** as now?? HOW FAIR IS THAT?? i see already a problem with this patch... if they didnt change the loot tables well... expect to see 20+ threads of this... support Idea: QuickInfo** an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Drutort	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:42:00 - [13] Quote: I thought deep core mining was in this patch ? Also where are the elite frigates ? None of this patch is new content. ya and none of the other stuff that is being talked about is in the game ... IE anchoring and modile refineries etc... and no cloaking either? so we need to wait more? I guess not a problem so long as they are done more... but this patch is lacking in new content though its ok on the fixing and balancing so far? the NPC pirates might be a problem since i didnt find anywere the words LOOT TABLE changed... if pirates will be harder we should get better loot and higher sec boost... kind of have to balance them all not nerf only... support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:46:00 - [14] Quote: I thought deep core mining was in this patch ? Also where are the elite frigates ? None of this patch is new content. No, just because some stuff is in TESTING on chaos doesn't mean that it's finished until the next patch. Thank god for that, we wouldn't want to wait 4 weeks more/get "content" that doesn't work at all.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:49:00 - [15] Quote: I've got to say, thats the biggest list of patch notes I've EVER seen. GJ CCP The biggest you`ve seend?Really? Hehe... oh I remember the old days... Elder Scrolls:Arena must have had 15 A4 pages of bug fixes (on the 1st patch)! (hmmm come to think of it, all Bethesda games were like that) Anyway the patch addresses MANY problems IMO-despite all the whining- and is a most welcomed addition. Now if the devs get some time away from problem fixing to add some story into the game it would be even better
Crimsonjade	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:52:00 - [16] yep keep increasing the powergrid reqs of large lasers! ill be able to equip 3 with engineering 5!!! weee... No pain, no palm; no thorns, no throne; no gall, no glory; no cross, no crown.
Darth Maul	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:56:00 - [17] This patch is going to suck major ass... most of the people jumping for joy over it must not have been testing it on chaos over the last couple weeks...
Macumba	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:58:00 - [18] Nice. We've still got uberlasers then? Somebody wake me up when CCP start playing their own game. "PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf
Gafton	Posted - 2003.09.16 08:59:00 - [19] the way the sentries and refiners are working on chaos now i would never want them on tq. Now this doesnt mean that they dont work correctly, from what i've seen they do, it's just that the stats for them need to be adjusted and worked out. As for the elite frigates, they're not even on chaos yet, so they're probly a couple patches down the road. Good changes being made in the patch, should make npc and pvp fights a little more interesting now. Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.09.16 09:02:00 - [20] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 16/09/2003 09:02:44 Quote: yep keep increasing the powergrid reqs of large lasers! ill be able to equip 3 with engineering 5!!! weee... Apocolypse can equip up to five. Their regular hits inflict uhm 450-500 dmg.. yeah, they use a lot of energy but how much do you need when you're hitting that hard? Not much. They*****you. I lost half my shields instantly* (my raven has close to 6,000 shields btw). Shield hardeners reduced it to like uhm.. maybe 250ish dmg? That's still quite a bit. All I can say is don't expect to go up against tachyons and win unless you have way some to 'neutralize' their lasers. You will lose, no turret dishes out so much damage. Quite insane, tachyon > *. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
David White	Posted - 2003.09.16 09:03:00 - [21] Hiya all, Where can I find the exact list of notes regarding this latest patch? Thanks
Visionary	Posted - 2003.09.16 09:09:00 - [22] Edited by: Visionary on 16/09/2003 09:10:28 ooops --------------- "just my 2 isk"
BlackVenom	Posted - 2003.09.16 09:39:00 - [23] What about the baby oids?
Harliquin	Posted - 2003.09.16 09:41:00 - [24] can anyone explain the effects of 'reducing stacking' of certain modules - I would of thought a bit more detail on that would of been useful....
DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.16 09:47:00 - [25] Quote: Hiya all, Where can I find the exact list of notes regarding this latest patch? Thanks Well, you could try clicking the link I so conveniently provided you with in my original message Or just click here. ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
Temerlyn	Posted - 2003.09.16 10:47:00 - [26] Its a bug fix and balancing patch. We were hopeing for... New roids New Mineral New skills Deployable fixtures (sentry guns/Mobile ref) The ability to start getting some tech 2 items with new mineral. I know alot of people say stop *****ing but our corp lost several people in the last 3 weeks due to boredom. I kept on trying to bring there spirits up with what comming out next patch. Guess what, none of what i said is comming out. So i am gunna loose more people. I am pretty sure i am not the only one in this situation.
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.09.16 10:52:00 - [27] So since they don't mention Secure containers and anchoring, I assume they will work as they do now post-patch? All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Erty	Posted - 2003.09.16 10:59:00 - [28] Temerlyn at least some of the stuff you mentioned are currently tested on chaos, so they can't be very far away :) Drutort loot tables? Bad drops? lol? I hunted some last night...found a extruded heat sink, a heavy anode particle, a medium C5-L shield booster, a 21.9% cargo expander, the best stasis web, and some more. Have been hunting for half an hour this morning, one skadi coolant system, a thermal exhaust, a 19.6% cargo expander, some rare afterburner (not much better than the normal ones though). In one week I have found loot worth over 30 mil. I think that maybe that's even too much. Rare stuff should be rare. This is my signature.
Tete	Posted - 2003.09.16 11:03:00 - [29] Althought this patch prolly needed a lot of work, its very disapointing. The game needs new contents badly. I know i right now only log on to train skills from time to time. Nothing is appealing me anymore. All i see are features (nerfs mainly) that wont bring anything new to the game. Oh boy i feel like in the old EQ days where everything were being nerfed left and right. CCP needs to wake up and realize we need AT LEAST the asteroids respawns fixed, closely followed by mobile raffineries. Seeing the rate at which we get patches, im quite worried about the game's future. A lot of people were waiting for this patch with big hopes. Oh yeah and while we are at it, if the laser weapon class have a "unique weapon" (read tachyon), why doesnt other weapon classes get a unique weapon as well? As it stands, its get energy weapons or suck. I cant stand energy weapons, their sound is **** and give me headache after 30mins hearing it.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.09.16 11:05:00 - [30] Here's a plus for hybrid users (which I don't believe I saw on the patch notes), the 425mm railgun is only 2750mw grid usage now. Here's a minus, it still sucks. ROF on that gun needs reduced to about 7.5 sec.. Anyways just thought I'd mention it, if anyone cares. I'm sure everyone will be moving to tachyons this patch, they are teh uber 300-450dmg a shot easy. The 425mm railgun can barely push 200dmg, heh. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.16 11:09:00 - [31] Quote: can anyone explain the effects of 'reducing stacking' of certain modules - I would of thought a bit more detail on that would of been useful.... There's a few threads that might be interesting to read if you had not followed them... Changes to stacking of modules with multiplying effect Drone beefing + Orbit changes Module update + new module Turret balancing Battleship boosts Missile + Launcher changes It's alot of reading though, some of these threads are 10-15 pages long... ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
Isla	Posted - 2003.09.16 11:09:00 - [32] Quote: Its a bug fix and balancing patch. We were hopeing for... New roids New Mineral New skills Deployable fixtures (sentry guns/Mobile ref) The ability to start getting some tech 2 items with new mineral. I know alot of people say stop *****ing but our corp lost several people in the last 3 weeks due to boredom. I kept on trying to bring there spirits up with what comming out next patch. Guess what, none of what i said is comming out. So i am gunna loose more people. I am pretty sure i am not the only one in this situation. I agree. I was expecting AT LEAST deep core mining to be in. People are going to sart leaving in droves. How many more months until new stuff ? 3-6 ? Or what ?
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.09.16 11:17:00 - [33] Quote: Here's a plus for hybrid users (which I don't believe I saw on the patch notes), the 425mm railgun is only 2750mw grid usage now. Here's a minus, it still sucks. ROF on that gun needs reduced to about 7.5 sec.. Anyways just thought I'd mention it, if anyone cares. I'm sure everyone will be moving to tachyons this patch, they are teh uber 300-450dmg a shot easy. The 425mm railgun can barely push 200dmg, heh. It needs a damage increase, and a cap usage decrease. Now that using 5 isn't impossible, you'll have to fill your lowslots with mods like a laser user in a caldari ship.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.09.16 11:19:00 - [34] Quote: It needs a damage increase, and a cap usage decrease. Now that using 5 isn't impossible, you'll have to fill your lowslots with mods like a laser user in a caldari ship. Was using 3 vortex and 1 gauss, and a photonic since I don't have electronics 5 on chaos unfortunately. Damage mod was only 4.12x. ouch. :) ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2003.09.16 11:34:00 - [35] While there appears to be a number of good changes the fact that it lacks any content for higher level players and corps is very bad. People are bored and bailing the game. They need goals and this provides them nothing. I can't believe that they didn't AT A BARE MINIMUM fix the damned roid spawn rate. Extremely dissapointing.
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.09.16 11:37:00 - [36] Edited by: Discorporation on 16/09/2003 11:37:54 Quote: While there appears to be a number of good changes the fact that it lacks any content for higher level players and corps is very bad. People are bored and bailing the game. They need goals and this provides them nothing. I can't believe that they didn't AT A BARE MINIMUM fix the damned roid spawn rate. Extremely dissapointing. Set your own damned goals. If you want content, provide it yourself. Pick a fight, get a lil story going, but don't complain that someone's not doing it for you [Heterocephalus glaber]
ElCoCo	Posted - 2003.09.16 11:42:00 - [37] Quote: Edited by: Discorporation on 16/09/2003 11:37:54 Quote: While there appears to be a number of good changes the fact that it lacks any content for higher level players and corps is very bad. People are bored and bailing the game. They need goals and this provides them nothing. I can't believe that they didn't AT A BARE MINIMUM fix the damned roid spawn rate. Extremely dissapointing. Set your own damned goals. If you want content, provide it yourself. Pick a fight, get a lil story going, but don't complain that someone's not doing it for you Can`t agree more!
Hardin	Posted - 2003.09.16 11:43:00 - [38] Quite right Disco! Out of interest I didn't see anything about the MINING DRONES SKILL which was meant to be fixed in this patch... Maybe I overlooked it, or maybe PANN did...or has this been put on hold. As I have Mining Drones 4 it would be nice to know!
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:05:00 - [39] Quote: Set your own damned goals. If you want content, provide it yourself. Pick a fight, get a lil story going, but don't complain that someone's not doing it for you Been there done that.... over and over again. Billions in assets... gottem. Bships and fleets... gottem. Wars... had em, won em, oh joy. Fun for a while but without larger goals like stations, mobile refineries to protect, a viable market worth your time, frikin ROID respawn for the miners there isn't a whole lot left. Been at this for over a year. Territory? Got it... without roid respawn whats the point? Can't mine it and can't build on it, so why fight over it. Oh yeah, it does have a pretty background though. If it's pure space combat, you can get that out of homeworld. Eve was and IS supposed to offer SOOO much more then that. Goals for most players I know MUST be more then just RP bs wars over nothing of value.
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:11:00 - [40] You're bored. Why not deck out your cute ikkle corp in frigs and and go wreak havoc somewhere. Have some fun while you wait :) [Heterocephalus glaber]
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:12:00 - [41] when is the next patch? where are lev 4 agents? Jump Drives? Mobile Refineries... /me cries. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
arutha	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:13:00 - [42] deeply disapointed is the way id put it .no new content - theve done there best too ensure fights last a short term .only good news as i see it is the insureance increase too 3 weeks . beam weapons where over powered as it was . now there more so than ever . the nerfing of tactical shields makes defensive stratgey obsolete .dont like this patch .still i guess its all conjecture atm - gotta see how things work first in the game - but my intial opinion - it suxs
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:15:00 - [43] Quote: beam weapons where over powered as it was . now there more so than ever . the nerfing of tactical shields makes defensive stratgey obsolete .dont like this patch .still i guess its all conjecture atm - gotta see how things work first in the game - but my intial opinion - it suxs If defensive strategy was turn on hardners and giggle at the guy using lasers, then yes [Heterocephalus glaber]
BlackVenom	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:23:00 - [44] Edited by: BlackVenom on 16/09/2003 12:24:31 Whell iam bored already after 4 weeks of playing the game. Ive mined, Hunted, Hunted for pc pirates, but now i cant do anything because there is nothing to do. So get a bs u say then? Whell would really love to but how? Join a big corp? Neh i want to do it on my own with my 2 real life buddy's. So go mine? Cant there's just NO good or large amount of ore in the surrounding 4 systems ( about 16 in totaal ). So kill npc? Yeah done that for 2 weeks... BORING! So go to the life or a pirate? No i want at least think and use strategies for my money or ships not ''iam cruiser i shoot frigates and shuttle and indy's'' and not ruine others money on the game or hard work. The amount of ore that ships need is MASSIVE and we cant even GET tritanium! LOL! Hell not to think about megacyte cause we cant mine it and no money to buy it soooo WHAT THEN!? Wait until CCP ''notice'' there doing stupid thinges and not the improvement of the life spane or gameplay issue's. We pay so much but we get almost nothing.. What i really hate about the patch is indeed no new items or loot fixes or asteroid fixes no new ships or weapons ( now that would be interresting a new type of weapon.. Or ship and not the titan .. a ship u can actualy buy as a freelancer or small corp ) They make Hardners lower rom 70% to 40% and making npc stronger.. Hmm will the 0.0 hunting almost become inpossible to do alone? CCP dont take the same road as EA does..
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:33:00 - [45] Don't mistake us for carebears. We've whooped a lot of ass since beta 4. However we're not pirates and need something worth fighting for. We don't just pick fights with anyone for no reason. Give us some stations to build and defend or at least some respawning roids to call a territory to defend. Right now there is very little to strive for in the game.
N0sferathu	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:33:00 - [46] Man, stop wining. I`ve mined oure first BS with my buddie and the second is on the way (took two weeks). Mega is out here. You just have to get youre ass out there..
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:34:00 - [47] Best change from this patch : Orbit mechanics + distances , agility changes , singatureradius. Will at least give smaller ships a greater fighting chance against bigger ones. As for nerfing an entire set of modules just because some people were using 5+ shield hardeners shrug pointless if you ask me. You want to make npc's harder?!?!?! CHANGE THEIR ***** TACTICS don't just boost their avg dam by 3-4 ..... FFS my little brother can think of that. Fix the roid spawning?! no?!? why not then? give an explanation at least. Someone mentions elite frigates ... well good thing their are not even in chaos. Moving forward and letting ships become obsolete ain't a solution. Making all ships usefull is. Pain is meant to be felt**
Ubiq	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:40:00 - [48] Quote: As for nerfing an entire set of modules just because some people were using 5+ shield hardeners shrug pointless if you ask me. The nerf only affects people with 5 or more shield hardners. You see from the stacking graph that having 3 is pretty much almost the same has before. Only highly stacked loadouts are penalized.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:41:00 - [49] A lot of good and needed fixes there. Ignore all the moaners though. Whether you put in fixes or content, there will always be a group of idiots shouting for whichever one didn't get implemented. As for the guy who says he can't get any tritanium... ahahahaha .
DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.16 12:58:00 - [50] Quote: So get a bs u say then? Whell would really love to but how? Join a big corp? Neh i want to do it on my own with my 2 real life buddy's. So go mine? Cant there's just NO good or large amount of ore in the surrounding 4 systems ( about 16 in totaal ). So kill npc? Yeah done that for 2 weeks... BORING! The amount of ore that ships need is MASSIVE and we cant even GET tritanium! LOL! Hell not to think about megacyte cause we cant mine it and no money to buy it soooo WHAT THEN!? Wait until CCP ''notice'' there doing stupid thinges and not the improvement of the life spane or gameplay issue's. We pay so much but we get almost nothing.. Ummm, yeah... It's really impossible to mine for a battleship on your own, in fact it's so impossible that I did it just 2 weeks ago ON MY OWN I started with 7 million ISK, goal 1 battleship. End result: 1 battleship, 5 miner 2's, 2 425mm Rails, 10 million in skills, some damage mods, better cargo expanders, nanofibres, overdrives, better MWD's with 70 million ISK to spare for my lvl 2 battleship. I mined all that in 1 (one) system, 4 jumps from a newbie system. Please put in some effort ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2003.09.16 13:00:00 - [51] This balance has balanced in the other direction i thought EvE was going to be, my impression was a large scale economy with long battles for power and territory. My first war with necrosis in my first corporation removed this utopia i seen and i found myself with some buddies in a war that wasnt about long fights, but about taking advantages of (defect) game mechanisms, causing lag and grief to others and a small ammount of people are able to bring a large corporation on its knee's. People take advantage of a client that has an insane memory leak, and a client that takes 1 to 3 minutes to load if some guy popped open his can of harvesters just to make you lag. You can balance all you want in combat and modules, but if a combat cannot be fought you should make sure that is solved first. - That was my first expectation from this patch: A stable and more memory leak friendly client. I havent seen any news regarding this mather. Second thing: Weeks ago, we received a nice event where a research center had opened, and where we heard rumours about multi racial frigates and more content. Content this game needs, since i lost 2 guys in this month to boredom. Also heard about implants or boosters that were possible, and level 4 agents were spoken off... Atleast ways to find your victim easier as a bounty hunter, a proffesion many cannot do yet since the game is too hard in that kind of aspect. Atleast level 3 agents got a little bit to bare with. Third point: Make tachyons give 400-600 dmg? Why nerf damage boosters then? Dont get me wrong, im a tachyon booster and i love them... But i always thought the lasers would be little lower damage boosters, but good in extreme long battles who can take a hour.. Now i notice that part isnt an vision the dev's share with me, i find it strange to make lasers harder... Balance? hmmm maybe... 70% too 50% shieldhardener + another nerf is alittle bit too much, combats are allready over in 20 seconds... The last defence is removed aswell now. Want people too find out how to get their damage better? Increase damage types on laser. Are cloacking devices in or not? __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2003.09.16 13:27:00 - [52] Quote: Quote: As for nerfing an entire set of modules just because some people were using 5+ shield hardeners shrug pointless if you ask me. The nerf only affects people with 5 or more shield hardners. You see from the stacking graph that having 3 is pretty much almost the same has before. Only highly stacked loadouts are penalized. I've been on chaos several times mate i know how everything is affected and i wasn't talking about hardeners. Hardeners needed the nerf. I don't use shield hardeners mate. I don't even use a BS simply because i am against the "BS only" mentality that 80% of the EvE population shares. I used max 3 mods of the same kind in most of my loadouts and 90% of the time they were dam mods. People used Battleships with 6-7 damage mods because DAMAGE was a very popular and effective choice. They nerf the dam mods sliglty but then beef most of the turrets. My DoT is greater than pre-patch, without a single change to loadout. They spent all this time trying to kill 2 loadouts? All laser + All dam mods , 5+ Shield hardeners? Sure turrets now has more specific roles, distance-wise (very nice no sarcasm)... but if you don't change combat initiation i.e. warp in distances that change is useless. I didn't say these changes were bad i said there are other important changes that were overlooked. Pain is meant to be felt
Chucky	Posted - 2003.09.16 13:38:00 - [53] Can I have your stuff? ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.09.16 13:44:00 - [54] It¦s sad that they didn¦t put in all the unfinished stuff and implemented many good bugfixes and necessary changes instad I would¦ve loved to see the whiners jumping around the forums with their "Don¦t put in content when it¦s not finished and bug-free" flag. Now all I get to see is some boring "Mama CCP won¦t give me new content!!" type of whining. CMON CCP!!! Give the kids something new to whine about!! I¦m bored over here with all these good changes in the patch! I wanna see WHINERRRRZZZZ!!!!!11oneone!! ... Get a grip people the patch will most probably kick ass! Mai's Idealog
Spectral	Posted - 2003.09.16 14:35:00 - [55] Edited by: Spectral on 16/09/2003 14:35:54 I don't understand people that post here and moan about new content. Whenever you play a game, even one as big as this, you might eventually get bored. Surely then, it's time to move on to something else? You can always come back later to see if it's changed... I look at that patch list and see a lot of great fixes. It's obvious that ccp are working hard. I guess that some people can never be satisfied. For me, I'm looking forward to trying out new loadouts for my ship to try and get the best out of the system. Along with this, I also know that there are a lot of new things coming... Stations, tech 2, new minerals, new skills etc. In addition to that we have a war coming By all means post your suggestions and preferential priorities but if all you're going to do is moan... go and play something else.. You're just annoying everyone and I'm sure that ccp could do without it...
arutha	Posted - 2003.09.16 14:37:00 - [56] people who whine about whiners are whiners too =p.i just hope there is enough people satisfied with whats happened too keep the game alive - alot of folks where expected big things in this patch and it hasent happened - sorry about my whine on the nerfed shields . im sure it will all work out and we can happily go about our eve lifes as best we can .it really would have been cool too see specialised ships being introduced into the game - ie a proper mineing ship - awell maybe thats for the future .
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.09.16 14:51:00 - [57] Quote: people who whine about whiners are whiners too =p Yup, and I¦m loving it It¦s all for the cause!!! Mai's Idealog
Spectral	Posted - 2003.09.16 15:00:00 - [58] Quote: people who whine about whiners are whiners too . Noooooo..... Seriously, I take your point... I perhaps came on a little strong on the last paragraph.. My initial intention was to try and encourage people to be more constructive. I've found that, complaining get's you nowhere anyway, and in fact it can have a demoralising effect on the Dev team. I understand that people were expecting a lot from this patch, but looking at the list that's what we got. OK nothing in the way of new content but I'm sure that's coming. Also remember that there have been a lot of posts on this board complaining about new content while there are still bugs. I just think we need to give them a chance. It looks to me like they're doing a good job.
Iece Quaan	Posted - 2003.09.16 15:02:00 - [59] Lots of fixes in that patch. Looks like good stuff. Though I don't fight much, I trust the opinions of the Chaos test groups. I know TomB and the guys have put a lot of work into this patch, hope it goes well. =) I for one don't want anything untested on TQ, and I know that refineries and cloaks aren't ready yet. So I'm prepared to wait ( and go ***** the level 3 agent missions for phat lewtz ). GJ guys. =) --------
Jorev	Posted - 2003.09.16 15:36:00 - [60] Edited by: Jorev on 16/09/2003 15:41:26 The patch seems to be mostly balancing issues. Will huge and giant secure cans be passworded now? Are secure cans going to continue to work as they do now? No anchoring required? No 2 hour limit in space on non anchored secure cans? Will secure cans still protect cargo from being looted if jettisoned before ship destruction? There is a mention of an adjustment to cloaking device, yet no statement that cloaking ability will be introduced? Are agent missions still restricted to lvl 3 being the maximum attainable? Heavy drone bps and other new item bps will be listed in the market but no mention of heavy drones and these new items being listable in market? It would make no sense not to have both. I expect the heavy drones and other new items to show their stats in the market. (remember how long we had to wait for drone stats to be listed in the market previously)
PERCYDAMAN	Posted - 2003.09.16 16:34:00 - [61] I think that if they had just implemented ONE of the promised content then it would have given most of the people complaining about the lack of it some hope. I like bug fixes...man are they needed. But even one content addition and I would be jumping for joy
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.16 20:09:00 - [62] Quote: Edited by: Jim Raynor on 16/09/2003 09:02:44 Quote: yep keep increasing the powergrid reqs of large lasers! ill be able to equip 3 with engineering 5!!! weee... Apocolypse can equip up to five. Their regular hits inflict uhm 450-500 dmg.. yeah, they use a lot of energy but how much do you need when you're hitting that hard? Not much. They*****you. I lost half my shields instantly* (my raven has close to 6,000 shields btw). Shield hardeners reduced it to like uhm.. maybe 250ish dmg? That's still quite a bit. All I can say is don't expect to go up against tachyons and win unless you have way some to 'neutralize' their lasers. You will lose, no turret dishes out so much damage. Quite insane, tachyon > . And we all thought this patch didn't add content because it concentrated solely on balancing What a **. Anyone get the feeling CCP's definition of balancing means "to rotate a best setup every 4 weeks to promote sales of various ship types"? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.09.16 20:22:00 - [63] Then again, the best you can realistically hope to fit are two, three Tachs. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.16 20:26:00 - [64] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 16/09/2003 20:29:30 We'll see. I'm stuck with projectiles for the time being. Well, not really stuck, but I can't be arsed to spend a week or so training a Large turret skill to level 4 when I don't really know whether it will be any good. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Benco97	Posted - 2003.09.16 20:36:00 - [65] Personally I am very happy with the patch. My biggest annoyance was the cargo can updates :( But now they will update correctly I am happy. All the people who are talking about the lack of content are correct, Right now there is little to do if you are part of a big corp or a powerful freelancer (Is there such a thing?:)) BUT WAIT! Belive in CCP, Changes to the program like people are asking for aren't to be taken lightly. I realize that, Like myself, Several people who play EVE do regularly use programing languages, SURELY these people should stand up and say just how difficult it is to figure out why something doesn't work when you rush, for example Boss: "Why do you think the main menu background is now being displayed in pink and several pixel too far to the right?" Benco97: "Errr...Because you told me to put some new options on it and they are now conflicting with the previous code." Boss : "FIX IT YOU DUMBASS!" This happened not too long ago....Don't tell anyone ;) -------------------------------------------- NEW! 1/1 scale assembled plastic model benco97, Six different poses, Buy one NOW!* *not suitable for people under 21, May include some small parts and/or traces of nut
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.09.16 20:36:00 - [66] Quote: Then again, the best you can realistically hope to fit are two, three Tachs. 2003.09.16 20:26:58 ----- Warping to PF-346 VIII - Asteroid Belt 1 2003.09.16 20:28:07 ----- Your Tachyon Beam Laser I is well aimed at Serpentis Chief Sentinel, inflicting 346.6 damage. 2003.09.16 20:28:11 ----- Your Tachyon Beam Laser I places an excellent hit on Serpentis Chief Sentinel, inflicting 372.1 damage. 2003.09.16 20:28:15 ----- Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 745.2 damage. 2003.09.16 20:28:19 ----- For participating in the kill of a Serpentis Chief Sentinel your security status has been adjusted by 0.0001. 2003.09.16 20:28:20 ----- Your Tachyon Beam Laser I lightly hits Serpentis Chief Sentinel, doing 17.3 damage. 2003.09.16 20:28:28 ----- Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 882.0 damage. 2003.09.16 20:28:34 ----- For participating in the kill of a Serpentis Chief Sentinel your security status has been adjusted by 0.0001. 2003.09.16 20:28:34 ----- Your Tachyon Beam Laser I places an excellent hit on Serpentis Chief Sentinel, inflicting 372.7 damage. Hehe
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.16 21:02:00 - [67] Two perfect strikes in 6 shots. Where did I put that nerf bat........... LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
BlackVenom	Posted - 2003.09.16 21:18:00 - [68] Quote: Quote: So get a bs u say then? Whell would really love to but how? Join a big corp? Neh i want to do it on my own with my 2 real life buddy's. So go mine? Cant there's just NO good or large amount of ore in the surrounding 4 systems ( about 16 in totaal ). So kill npc? Yeah done that for 2 weeks... BORING! The amount of ore that ships need is MASSIVE and we cant even GET tritanium! LOL! Hell not to think about megacyte cause we cant mine it and no money to buy it soooo WHAT THEN!? Wait until CCP ''notice'' there doing stupid thinges and not the improvement of the life spane or gameplay issue's. We pay so much but we get almost nothing.. Ummm, yeah... It's really impossible to mine for a battleship on your own, in fact it's so impossible that I did it just 2 weeks ago ON MY OWN I started with 7 million ISK, goal 1 battleship. End result: 1 battleship, 5 miner 2's, 2 425mm Rails, 10 million in skills, some damage mods, better cargo expanders, nanofibres, overdrives, better MWD's with 70 million ISK to spare for my lvl 2 battleship. I mined all that in 1 (one) system, 4 jumps from a newbie system. Please put in some effort Ur not reading my post the 16 systems surrounding me are DEPLEATED! the 0.0 next to us is kinda depleated to and overwelmed by pc pirates. I can offcourse mine a bs with belts that arent depleated
Dalaq	Posted - 2003.09.16 21:24:00 - [69] There is just no pleasing some people. Take a chill pill guys! This is a huge patch! Any more in it and it's sure to crash
Serak Tur	Posted - 2003.09.16 21:24:00 - [70] Edited by: Serak Tur on 16/09/2003 21:25:56 Am I the only one that sees something fishy in the weapon upgrades change? Sorry didn't see the post above this one:)
Koda	Posted - 2003.09.16 21:27:00 - [71] Edited by: Koda on 16/09/2003 21:28:25 Tis a good day for the Caldari nation. Missles won't cost so damn much to make and take up so much room in the cargo hold. Leaves more room for goodies. Oh and my 425's will now track faster and do more damage. Me likey. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.16 22:19:00 - [72] Quote: Edited by: Koda on 16/09/2003 21:28:25 Tis a good day for the Caldari nation. Missles won't cost so damn much to make and take up so much room in the cargo hold. Leaves more room for goodies. Oh and my 425's will now track faster and do more damage. Me likey. But they don't track as well or do as much dmg as a tachyon. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Worlocke	Posted - 2003.09.16 22:20:00 - [73] Whine, Whine, Whine, Whine.... is that all that all of you know how to do? Yes, I understand that new skills are needed badly, I agree. Yes, the game gets monotonous at times. However, several key things have been addressed and fixed. Yes pirates are harder to kill, and they should be, but I also guess you missed the part that says it was done due to weapons being made more powerful as well. Insurance is actually worthwhile now and people will be taking greater risks, the more risk = more ships lost and a boost to all the markets. I have never seen a greater bunch of whiners in my life. Yes you pay a WHOLE 13 DOLLARS to play every month, and that is a damn bargain, hell I spend at least that much going to watch a movie, and that is only for 2 hours! you get a whole 690 hours of play time per month. Quit yer crying, if you wanna help them move along faster, play on the test server and help catch all the bugs. "No beast so fierce knows but some touch of pity. But I know none and therefore am no beast."
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.16 22:24:00 - [74] Quote: Whine, Whine, Whine, Whine.... is that all that all of you know how to do? Yes, I understand that new skills are needed badly, I agree. Yes, the game gets monotonous at times. However, several key things have been addressed and fixed. Yes pirates are harder to kill, and they should be, but I also guess you missed the part that says it was done due to weapons being made more powerful as well. Insurance is actually worthwhile now and people will be taking greater risks, the more risk = more ships lost and a boost to all the markets. I have never seen a greater bunch of whiners in my life. Yes you pay a WHOLE 13 DOLLARS to play every month, and that is a damn bargain, hell I spend at least that much going to watch a movie, and that is only for 2 hours! you get a whole 690 hours of play time per month. Quit yer crying, if you wanna help them move along faster, play on the test server and help catch all the bugs. [/insert smarmy retort about whining about whining here] LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
BlackVenom	Posted - 2003.09.16 22:31:00 - [75] Edited by: BlackVenom on 16/09/2003 22:31:54 I dont get why asking what u pay for is whining. Not all people have as much money as u! What i do want is the auto pilote fixed god i needed to jump 15 jumps so i thouth hell iam not going to wait here behind my pc to watch 15 jumps so i did autopilote and watched something on tv, so i return 1 hour later... 15 jumps to go! WENT OFF AGAIN.. I dont care if u all find me a cry baby i just want to get what i pay for.
DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.16 22:46:00 - [76] Quote: Ur not reading my post the 16 systems surrounding me are DEPLEATED! the 0.0 next to us is kinda depleated to and overwelmed by pc pirates. I can offcourse mine a bs with belts that arent depleated Then move to a area that has ore, I don't see the problem, I traveled 2 regions today and the ore is the same there as here. Go mine in Placid 0.1 or something, kill the pirates pick up the armor repairers, i got 14 of those in 3 hours of killing pirates today, and recycle them for your mega. You got your battleship and the dev's will soon fix that roid problem that starts with jaspet and everything above that. ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
Ka'loor	Posted - 2003.09.16 22:49:00 - [77] If this is the last big balance patch, its ok with me......little bits and pieces will always crop up hehe.......if they focus on Storyline now im happy :) Oh yeah, i go to .2 and can only find baby omber, soon we will go 10 jumps into .0 to get omber, yes. i think the mobile refineries are going to help us there :) Attack without mercy, until blood is gone, until life is gone, until the light is gone, unto the shadow itself. Better to die with honor, than to live in shame.
DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.16 22:51:00 - [78] Quote: Oh yeah, i go to .2 and can only find baby omber, soon we will go 10 jumps into .0 to get omber, yes. i think the mobile refineries are going to help us there :) What do you call baby omber ? Plenty of 180m radius rocks that yield 20-30k omber each in this area of EVE. ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
Deadmetal	Posted - 2003.09.16 23:39:00 - [79] Quote: No new skills... No new ore... No new mineral... Everything must be in another patch. Wellllll.... I'd have to agree that it's not overly constructive to ***** about these issues... after it's rather minor compared to some of the other things we've been experiencing.. but the patch shows that the Devs have actually listened... and implemented a lot of player suggestions.. and while nothing is or EVEr heh will be perfect.. they have really taken a whack at cleaning up some odds N sods in game. I for one applaud their efforts and heartily encourage them to keep up the good work... "Human Nature - If someone put a big red button in a remote mountain cave with a sign on it 'End of the world button!! Do not push!!.. the paint wouldn't have a chance to dry."
High Priestess	Posted - 2003.09.16 23:44:00 - [80] Much of this patch is good news but I'm sad to see niether Deep Core Mining nor the Miner II Blueprints are being added to the market.
Deadmetal	Posted - 2003.09.16 23:49:00 - [81] Quote: Much of this patch is good news but I'm sad to see niether Deep Core Mining nor the Miner II Blueprints are being added to the market. HEAR HEAR!!! yes please.. MINER 2's and DeepCore.. can the Devs add a quick "Patch" to the Patch? "Human Nature - If someone put a big red button in a remote mountain cave with a sign on it 'End of the world button!! Do not push!!.. the paint wouldn't have a chance to dry."
Worlocke	Posted - 2003.09.17 00:50:00 - [82] Quote: Edited by: BlackVenom on 16/09/2003 22:31:54 I dont get why asking what u pay for is whining. Not all people have as much money as u! What i do want is the auto pilote fixed god i needed to jump 15 jumps so i thouth hell iam not going to wait here behind my pc to watch 15 jumps so i did autopilote and watched something on tv, so i return 1 hour later... 15 jumps to go! WENT OFF AGAIN.. I dont care if u all find me a cry baby i just want to get what i pay for. ROFLMAO You are kidding right? Not as much money as me? roflmao IT IS ONLY 13 DOLLARS, that is less than 2 cents per hour! You are pathetic. "No beast so fierce knows but some touch of pity. But I know none and therefore am no beast."
redOctober	Posted - 2003.09.17 02:09:00 - [83] Edited by: redOctober on 17/09/2003 02:15:40 Allways look on the bright side of life that should have been added to the play list of the jukebox ,maybe next patch? hmm are ccp stuck in a black hole or somthing time tunnel say 1 thing and actually doesnt happen for a month or two later ill point out 1 point sentry guns deployable these was mentioned two months ago in patch notes ok i understand you needed certain skills to aquire deploy use hmm i dont know what to think after reading over at the test patch forum past weeks then reading patch notes are we all playing the same game ? im definatly
BlackVenom	Posted - 2003.09.17 06:49:00 - [84] Edited by: BlackVenom on 17/09/2003 06:50:06 Iam maby pethatic but i dont swear against people or hurt em. I respect everyones opinion and i know i could move to another region for mining but i want to stay for once where i am, u all can understand that i hope. This is my opinion nothing more. And yes 13 dollars IS alote for some people!
Ertai Vodalion	Posted - 2003.09.17 10:52:00 - [85] will the "win game" and "set all skills to level 5" buttons be implemented this patch or will it take till the next one ? I hope at least they managed to put the "add 999 million ISK to my Wallet" button. best regards Ertai Vodalion
Koda	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:31:00 - [86] Quote: Quote: Edited by: Koda on 16/09/2003 21:28:25 Tis a good day for the Caldari nation. Missles won't cost so damn much to make and take up so much room in the cargo hold. Leaves more room for goodies. Oh and my 425's will now track faster and do more damage. Me likey. But they don't track as well or do as much dmg as a tachyon. Haven't used beams much as 250's hit my cap pretty hard. And I've never seen tachyons before. Pirate loot drops maybe? I'm new to roaming in 0.0 and still tinkering with my loadout. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums

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