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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.04.11 18:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Rells
Originally by: mirel yirrin
Yeah, in a fight without Ewar.
A fleet commander of a frig fleet would have to be a total newb or idiot to not have EWAR.
Originally by: mirel yirrin
Of course, the Ewar is a important part of the frig blob's tactics.
Exactly .. its part of a Frig FLEET's tactics.
Originally by: mirel yirrin
I could set it up as a DiscoScorp. Lots of TII large Smartbombs.
Muhaha.
Wouldnt work, I teach them to set up for orbit outside smartbomb range.
Damm.
Hm.
This is a challenge now, how to setup a Battleship to Combat Frigate blo-...I mean..Fleets.
hmhmhm...
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.04.11 18:27:00 -
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How to do it.
Not sure if this works but:
Apocalypse.
High
8x Focused medium pulse II
Medium
2x Sensor booster II (lock them real fast baby)
1x Cap Injector
1x Webber to get those nasty mwding guys.
Low
4x 1600mm Rolled tungsten plates
3x LAR II
1x Hardener (whatever type)
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Thou shalt be dispatched.
Originally by: Tuxford
Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us 
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Paigan
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:12:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Blob was invented by those not versed in MMO speak, its suppost to be Zerg......
zerg is the word from stupid WoW players who convulsivly wanted to invent a pseudo-cool technical term for "mass" related to a blizzard product.
The Zerg are something else.
Please, never say again that the actual word for blob is "zerg", thx.
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Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tasuric Orka on 11/04/2006 20:20:46
Originally by: Exelsior
How to do it.
Not sure if this works but:
Apocalypse.
High
8x Focused medium pulse II
Medium
2x Sensor booster II (lock them real fast baby)
1x Cap Injector
1x Webber to get those nasty mwding guys.
Low
4x 1600mm Rolled tungsten plates
3x LAR II
1x Hardener (whatever type)
Hah, the amount of frig pilot corpses will block your sensors eventually, making you easy prey for.. teh blob 
I mean fleet 
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Hatiras
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Paigan
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Blob was invented by those not versed in MMO speak, its suppost to be Zerg......
zerg is the word from stupid WoW players who convulsivly wanted to invent a pseudo-cool technical term for "mass" related to a blizzard product.
The Zerg are something else.
Please, never say again that the actual word for blob is "zerg", thx.
Zerg is from WoW players? Hmm not really, Planetside was out long before WoW hit the shelves and Zerging was quite a familiar term over there. So yes, in MMO terms blob = zerg no matter how you look at it.
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:33:00 -
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The frigs would have ewar. No defense against it.
The Frigate fleet is basically unstoppable.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
The frigs would have ewar. No defense against it.
The Frigate fleet is basically unstoppable.
Would it be possible to fit enough ECCM to keep from being jammed? And if not, why not?
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Paigan
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:51:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Hatiras
Originally by: Paigan
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Blob was invented by those not versed in MMO speak, its suppost to be Zerg......
zerg is the word from stupid WoW players who convulsivly wanted to invent a pseudo-cool technical term for "mass" related to a blizzard product.
The Zerg are something else.
Please, never say again that the actual word for blob is "zerg", thx.
Zerg is from WoW players? Hmm not really, Planetside was out long before WoW hit the shelves and Zerging was quite a familiar term over there. So yes, in MMO terms blob = zerg no matter how you look at it.
Okay, my fault. Delete the "WoW" letters and the sense of the posting remains the same. Don't discuss the detail but the content in the first place.
Anyway. This was supposd to be only a side note. I won't disrupt this thread any further with this offtopic discussion. =)
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: mirel yirrin
The frigs would have ewar. No defense against it.
The Frigate fleet is basically unstoppable.
Would it be possible to fit enough ECCM to keep from being jammed? And if not, why not?
Nope.
20-30 odd frigs, each with a racial jammer = Pwnzord
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:54:00 -
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Sorry, but when I look at my EVE map with the number of pilots in space showing, I don't see a fleet. I see an amorphous red blob.
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Kwan Lee
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:11:00 -
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Zergling is a unit of the Zergs from Starcraft that was used to swarm players early on in a match. Hence the name Zerg rush.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:20:00 -
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Rells,
Fighting players on terminology is a waste of time. If pkayers want to call a pig a duck, they'll call it a duck.
See: BB. (Naval: Battleship, Eve: Blackbird)
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
The Colonel
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:26:00 -
[43]
Edited by: The Colonel on 11/04/2006 21:26:56
didnt the term 'blob' come from the fact that in the days of virtual real time map updates fleets showed up as 'blobs', bigger the blob bigger the fleet and quicker the log?
I dont regard it a negative term, fleet sounds too formal to me, but then the virtual star captains probably love all that.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:27:00 -
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yeah fleet/blob rules. Without it corps/alliances/holding territory is stupid and game will die. If it ever become 1vs1 only in this game, it will die. Dont like all your idea's tho rells but I agree with the "fleet".
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Qayos
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Posted - 2006.04.11 22:22:00 -
[45]
Originally by: HippoKing
definitions time:
blob: a large amount of enemy ships
fleet: a large amount of friendly ships
Heh, QFT.
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2006.04.11 23:26:00 -
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Try this:
Blob = Disorganised rabble, who kill anything and everything they can with no purpose or direction.
Fleet = Disorganised rabble, who kill anything and everything they can enroute to something more important.
I tried at least 
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2006.04.11 23:29:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Exelsior
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Low
4x 1600mm Rolled tungsten plates
3x LAR II
1x Hardener (whatever type)
Am I right in assuming that an Apoc only has 7 low slots? Unless ofcourse you'd be stupid enough to try and take on 25 people in a faction Apoc? 
/me tries to find the special Apoc Exelsior is using
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0bsession
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Posted - 2006.04.11 23:43:00 -
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If it looks like blob, sounds like a blob, it most likely is a blob.
I mean come on Rells. If that large post was for you to inform the world of Eve that you can't handle the term 'blob' and prefer a more civilizated word like 'fleet'... then you need to concetrate more on your fleets and quit whining.
When I see a fleet, I'll call it a fleet... but until then, all I see are blobs.
Fleets are supposed to fight, not try to outblob another blob and call it warfare, then jump to safespot at any sign of danger.
Besides, its a term... I'm sorry if sticks and stones break bones, but words will never hurt you. Get over it.  You don't see carebears whining... is this what big pvpers think about? 'blobs' being so degrading to them? LOL
ummm.. yea... thats all i have to comment on...
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Berrik Radhok
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Posted - 2006.04.11 23:51:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Exelsior
How to do it.
Not sure if this works but:
Apocalypse.
High
8x Focused medium pulse II
Medium
2x Sensor booster II (lock them real fast baby)
1x Cap Injector
1x Webber to get those nasty mwding guys.
Low
4x 1600mm Rolled tungsten plates
3x LAR II
1x Hardener (whatever type)
Flying my Crucifier, I slap 3 tracking disruptors on your Apoc from outside your range.
You = dead.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.11 23:52:00 -
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"Zerging" is not appropriate in EVE imho because the "respawn" (or, "build rate") is not quick enough. For it to be a proper "zerg" you'd have a steady stream of zerglings rushing (quick build, dirt cheap), in MMOs, this is typically the same people dying, rezing, then coming immediately back and rushing. EVE has neither thing, dying has meaningfull losses (even for a frigate fleet), and you require time to repurchase a clone and setup another ship before departing and getting out to whereever you were (many combat actions may take place many jumps from the nearest cloning station).
This is why you never hear about "zerging" in EVE...
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Roue
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Posted - 2006.04.11 23:59:00 -
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I agree entirely. There is nothing wrong with a Blob/fleet.
What is bad is both sitting at safespots never engaging, gate camps being the forced static engagement point without the chance for movement around the system.
I think it's the inability to pursue people around a system that makes every stagnant. A pursuit module that would allow ships to follow others in warp would make combat more exciting and interesting.
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2006.04.12 00:18:00 -
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as to how to beat that frig fleet... how about raven, 6x assault missile launcher II, fof lights, spam away 
probably your best bet....
on a sidenote.. are there precision fofs?
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.12 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 12/04/2006 00:32:33
Originally by: Manfred Doomhammer
as to how to beat that frig fleet... how about raven, 6x assault missile launcher II, fof lights, spam away
probably your best bet....
on a sidenote.. are there precision fofs?
The best way to defeat a frig fleet is to bring 1 ship for every 4 or 5 frigates in the opposing fleet. The "OMG, i've got 55mil skillpoints and a battleship, I can take these noobs!" idea is incredibly prevalent, even though its said all the time that frigate fleets of low sp players can take down far larger ships with far more experience.
Best ships are dominixes, ishtars and vexors, for the obvious reason that their main weapon is immune to electronic warfare (you lose a degree of control, but they're still firing). Ships fielding medium blasters can do well too (web, activate blasters, next target), especially as the thorax, deimos, brutix and astarte all have space for medium drones. You usually want to be in battleships when overwhelmed by frigs though. This is only from a Gallente standpoint - as thats all I can fly!
(Oh, and has anyone ever seen a frig fleet get caught one by one in a bubble only to be hit by a couple of blaster boats right on the bubble's edge? My CEO was dying of laughter )
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Karx
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Posted - 2006.04.12 01:18:00 -
[54]
I have two(2) words to say to the OP:
Damn Straight |
burek
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Posted - 2006.04.12 02:50:00 -
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blobbing is when you pretend you want pvp when in fact you just want to have enough ships to make your enemy not engage. For example when everyone in your ranks knows (but no one admits it) that you are way ****ter than your enemy and have to do this. Or you might be one of those living in a magical fairy land and expect the other part will agree to your "no risk for me" terms.
It's all down to attitude wheather you're in a blob or in a fleet.
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Herring
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Posted - 2006.04.12 03:00:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Rells
Edited by: Rells on 11/04/2006 15:58:54
* Interdictors should be able to fire bubbles AT enemies.
* Warp jammers should be much easier to run on smaller ships and they should have an ability to fire a tag at the target jamming it for 2 min rather than having to stay in range.
* Effective ranges of deployable warp bubbles should be increased radically. Its psychotic that a ship as fast as an interceptor can deploy a better jhammer than setting up a jammer and waiting a minute to put it online. Small bubbles should work up to 20km and mediums to 50km.
* Deployable warp bubbles should pull people out of deep warp so you could deploy them in between 2 stargates in the middle and catch people.
The problem is also that the tools for controlling the fleet are apalling at best.
The problem isnt the blob. The problem is players not liking getting hit when alone by a FLEET. The problem is also the lack of DECISIVE battles in Eve. battles where 80 or 90% of ships in a side will be lost, not 1 battleship of 35.
I just have one thing to add.
LIMPET MINES
Tracking and long term detection would be easy to code and FTS to play. Deployables like the [impossible to find, I think removed from the game] explosive mines, as well as limpets, should be in the game.
No question about it.
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Metatron Celestia
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Posted - 2006.04.12 03:10:00 -
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Personally, I call a Blob/Fleet/Overkill, "Insurance".
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.04.12 03:17:00 -
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How about
Blob: Disorganisd group of players with little to know combat expericaned, who gather in large numbers for safety reasons. Often ineffective, slow moving, and dissorganised. Ushally done either to obliterate thier enemy through the force of sheer numbers, or pilot induced lag. Though it rarely works as most people are to expericanced to fall for it.
Fleet: A group of expericanced PVP pilots. Often highly organized, and capable of moving at speeds roughly equal to the speed of a solo pilot. Very effecitive in terms of acieving goals. And adapt at destroying blobs due to better pilots, orginasation, and tactics.
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Daos Leghki
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Posted - 2006.04.12 03:59:00 -
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What I might ask is: do experienced PvPers not stick together for safety? Or are they doing it for looks. People seem to expect the newbies to experience only one form of PvP: getting ganked while mining/traveling/ratting. Should they actually have the audacity and organization to fight back, they're "blobbing."
Large groups are a viable and legitimate tactical decision. Goonfleet is an extreme example, but using numbers to leverage an advantage is not new, not specific to Eve and is definitely not "newb tactics." I've taken ships that are weaker than my opponents and survived and taken them down. Every time, I was supported by one or more people who wished to help. Is that blobbing? Is that lame? I'd assert that sitting 150km off a gate shooting helpless newbies is lame, while managing to find a way (any way) to get a takedown of that battleship in a number of cheaper and faster ships is an achievement.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.04.12 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Daos Leghki
What I might ask is: do experienced PvPers not stick together for safety? Or are they doing it for looks. People seem to expect the newbies to experience only one form of PvP: getting ganked while mining/traveling/ratting. Should they actually have the audacity and organization to fight back, they're "blobbing."
I'm doing it because 3 people working together, are infinatly more effective then three people working alone.
Saftey in eve is boring, if I'm in a group, my purpose is to find anouther group of simular size to engage.
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