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Auraurious
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Posted - 2006.04.12 04:17:00 -
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I think people are missing the point of the op. I don't rells really is so concerned about the terminology except to prove his point that fleet warfare can be quite complex and interesting and should be enhanced, not prohibited. In that case I wholeheartedly agree with him.
Really though, I like this system:
Blob: A name for a large grouping of ships
Fleet: A name for a large grouping of ships
<insert name>: Another name for a large grouping of ships
Besides Zerging ofcourse. Zerging can be pretty much defined by what eve-radio sponsors the first saturday of every month. 
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Valium Summer
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Posted - 2006.04.12 06:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Rells
Edited by: Rells on 11/04/2006 15:58:54
* Deployable warp bubbles should pull people out of deep warp so you could deploy them in between 2 stargates in the middle and catch people.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.04.12 06:27:00 -
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I agree kinda with rells... BUT, I think what most people get annoyed with is when the enemy "Fleet" of say 20 ships is mustered just to engage a loan HaC, Af or whatever... At this point there is NO fleet battle.. Its just a blob after a gank. And you cant say thats fun cos we all know its not (exceptions for certain pilots obviously  )
Fleet battles aint really my thing, which is why I took up piracy which is generally small roaming gangs... (or camping... bleh, we gotta make isk somehow) Though having said that VV was fun JQA 4t... urr actually no we lost 
Alliaanna
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.04.12 09:41:00 -
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YOu think its more fun shooting unarmed ships?
weird.
-- Rells
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.04.12 09:49:00 -
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Shooting unarmed haulers isn't fun, its just isk.
But for example killing a Norad Af with my Af resulted in being camped by a 14man gang  Though respect to Norad in the end they simple escorted me from their space lol 
Where I promtly went back again and I think the corps KoS now
Alliaanna
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2006.04.12 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Blob was invented by those not versed in MMO speak, its suppost to be Zerg......
no, blob is decidedly from eve, and comes from the big red dot (or blob, see?) you make on the map when you have a big fleet
anyway, yeah i agree with most of what you're saying rells
(damn, this is becoming a bad habit  )
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Cicci Belladonna
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Posted - 2006.04.12 11:34:00 -
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It seems to me that there's a fundamental difference between a 'blob' and a 'fleet' - based on differences in the composition and behaviour of the pilots. The latter being, as intially described, a group of players operating under one command and with various types of ships fulfilling different roles. Whether they 'gank' individuals or small groups who stray into 'their' space seems irrelevant to the definition.
Whereas a 'blob', to me at least, often consists of similar classes of 'ganged' ships flown by cowardly pilots who log out en-masse whenever there is the slightest danger that their opponents are gaining the upper hand - there are countless examples of this behaviour described throughout the forums, particularly around zero/low-sec choke points.
You know who you are - and whether you're in a fleet or blob!
Cicci x
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.04.12 12:00:00 -
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I think the term blobbing in EvE mostly came from the old tactic of putting as many ships as possible on a gate to make it impossible for a hostile fleet (even of the same size) from jumping in without being completely torn to pieces becuase they were lagged out when loading up the system. The name blob came from the big assed blob you saw in the map.
I think after a while people simply got used to calling large fleets blobs.
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Gaia's Wrath
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Posted - 2006.04.12 16:01:00 -
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I agree with you for the most part. However we do need to keep the solo player in mind or it becomes "if your in 0.0 you better be in a fleet or your dead" scenario. The biggest problems I find are: 1) All the SS'ing to offgrid SS with fleet battles; 2) The limited nature of the ingame gang; 1 gang leader and no granularity.
Some ideas I'd like to see put in for issue 1 are:
Tagging probes - A probe launched by an interdictor that tags/irradiates a ship so it shows up as a beacon in overview that can be warpd to. Say 5 to 10 mins for the effect. So if your gonna run you better keep running.
Scan probes - Ones that actually work off grid. A scan time of 5 to 10 seconds is what they should be not 90 seconds. Or having the scan times reflect the probes scan range, ie 192 AU probes = 90 seconds scan time, 48 AU probes = 30 seconds , 12 AU probes = 10 seconds and 3 AU probes = 5 seconds to analyze scan probe results.
Issue 2
Fleet Gang Hierarchy. The abilty to set up squads and squads leaders that would have gang warp controls for the squad. I.E. Fleet command controls the gangs warps but the squad commander can control his on squads warping ablities.
Apply the same idea to the tagging system (love the tagging system but runs into overview update issues during fleet battles)or some type linked targeting and fire control system for squad commanders.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.04.12 16:40:00 -
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increase ew powergrid to lets say 50 pg? :P
"We brake for nobody"
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delta2zero
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Posted - 2006.04.12 17:48:00 -
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fleet on the eve map shows as a blob which is where the term came from.
2 blobs on the map moving towards each other or a blob chasing another blob = blob warefare. u dont count ships u can count blobs
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.04.12 19:42:00 -
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Ok ok i meant two hardeners on apoc and i wasn't taking jamming into account. Jeez guys you really like to beat a guy down for a couple of little mistakes.
How about this then (not a caldari pilot but i'll try)
Raven
High
6x Heavy missile launcher II - FoF missiles (do precision tech II FoF exist? if so use them)
No nos as u wotn be targetting stuff anyway
Medium
1x C5L XLarge SB
3x Tech II extenders
1x Amplifier
1x Invulnerability field
Low
5x PDS II
Dunno if it will last but i think it could be done if precision heavy FoF exist.
Feel free to dismantle the setup
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.04.13 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Exelsior
Ok ok i meant two hardeners on apoc and i wasn't taking jamming into account. Jeez guys you really like to beat a guy down for a couple of little mistakes.
Why werent you taking jamming into account? Never assume your enemy is incompetent.
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