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Eela Valu
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Posted - 2006.10.12 10:44:00 -
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Great post!
Now my only question is: If negociation affects agent quality, does it increase standing increase after each mission?
Someone said a high Q agent affects your standings more, sooo? 
I'd appreciate if someone could sticky this post.
Btw if u want, please eve-mail Eela Valu the answer ( Im bad at remembering to check the forums )
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Guurzak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.12 14:17:00 -
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The amount of standing you gain from a mission is affected by the agent's effective quality, so yes.
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Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.10.12 15:21:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Wizerud
FAST TALK
This gives you a 5% bonus to your current standing with Concord.
In my experience, the description of the Fast Talk skill should be changed to this :
FAST TALK
It is commonly believed that the fast talk skill increases the security status gain you get from destroying pirate NPC:s, but in reality it has no effect whatsoever.
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Haege Mon
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Posted - 2006.10.13 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Haege Mon on 13/10/2006 00:11:19
Quote:
[Base standing for agent level] + (0.05 * every quality point above -20)
I remember a formulae that was even more advanced that that. It included the effect of the connections and diplomacy skill for example.
Maybe:
If you have a positive standing:
[Base standing for agent level] + (0.05 * every quality point above -20) - (connections level * 0.4 * (10 - current standing) )
If negative standing, you replace "connections level" with "diplomacy level".
Not sure, but it sounds close.
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Xavier Dowd
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Posted - 2007.03.19 14:17:00 -
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Your description on Diplomacy is incorrect. It really is 0.4 per level. I had 0.0 standing with an agent and as I trained Diplomacy to level 3 it went to 0.4, 0.8 and finally 1.2.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.03.19 14:43:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Xavier Dowd
Your description on Diplomacy is incorrect. It really is 0.4 per level. I had 0.0 standing with an agent and as I trained Diplomacy to level 3 it went to 0.4, 0.8 and finally 1.2.
Of the two possible systems
(1) adding 0.4
(2) adding 4% of the difference between unmodified standing and +10
there is one (and only one) case in which both will get the same result: that's when your unmodified standing is 0.0 (or very close to it). Then you'll get 0.4 per level, as 0.4 is 4% of the difference between 0 and 10.
From my own experience, I can say that the it is indeed 4% which gets added, not a flat 0.4. I have -5.00 standing with Amarr and I have 2 levels of diplomacy. My modified standing is -3.80; a difference of 1.2, or 8% of 15 (the difference between -5 and +10).
=AFK=
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Trind2222
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.19 23:05:00 -
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Grate guide is not only good for misson runers but for miners that need good to refine more.
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Xavier Dowd
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:28:00 -
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Estel, I think you may be right. As my standing with this one agent goes up I should see the bonus go down from +1.2. Also, if my standing goes up with this agent's faction will they cease being hostile and I will lose the bonus all together?
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.03.20 18:02:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Xavier Dowd
Also, if my standing goes up with this agent's faction will they cease being hostile and I will lose the bonus all together?
It all depends on your unmodified standing.
If it's negative, then Diplomacy applies.
If it's 0 or positive, then Connections applies.
If your levels of Diplomacy and Connections are different then you'll see your standings change drastically as you cross the threshold.
An exception to this rule I've noticed is if your unmodified corp/agent standing is positive, but your unmodified faction standing is negative. In this case, Diplomacy applies, or at least that's what it states in my character sheet. 
Since my Connections and Diplomacy skills are currently equal, I can't confirm whether Diplomacy is actually being applied, or it's just a display bug and Connections is still in effect.
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Jeximo
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:57:00 -
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Negotiation: Skill at agent negotiation. Improves agent effective quality. 5% additional pay per skill level for agent missions.
Where does it say that this skill gives 5 Agent Quality Points per level? That sounds too easy to get QL 20 Agents...
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.06.28 23:09:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Jeximo
Negotiation: Skill at agent negotiation. Improves agent effective quality. 5% additional pay per skill level for agent missions.
Where does it say that this skill gives 5 Agent Quality Points per level? That sounds too easy to get QL 20 Agents...
Quality Level mainly determines what standing you need to use the agent. Negociation won't help with standing requirements (Connections/Diplomacy and Social do that).
It's the Effective Quality that actually determines reward. Effective Quality is just Quality with skills and standings applied, therefore with no skills or standing, Effective Quality = Quality.
EQ is a percentage modifier compared to a EQ0 agent. An EQ20 agent gives 20% more reward than an EQ0 agent and an EQ-20 agent gives 20% less reward.
The highest EQ you can get is 54 (Q20 agent, with 5 Negociation (+25) and 9.0+ personal standing to the agent (+9) ).
By the way, nice necro.
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HuGo87
Caldari
Eve'S Daemons
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Posted - 2007.07.25 03:19:00 -
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great thead!.. a couple of details though
1) u also get more standing with a faction, when u do storyline missions for a faction it has positive standing with
2) the skill "Bounty Hunting" was not mentioned, though i'm not sure if u can get it atm :p
3) the correct and complente formula for required standing needed to talk to an agent is:
RequiredEffectiveStanding = (AgentLevel - 1) * 2 + (0.05 * AgentQuality)
the second part of the sum is negative if the quality is negative, obviously :P
there's nothing more to it.
but of coure, effective standing DOES depend on other skills, but that's already been said :)
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 15:54:00 -
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I'd add that although you only get faction gain for missions through storyline missions, you can get faction gain through completing missions against an enemy faction (for example, killing Minmatar scum as part of an Amarr mission).
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.07.25 16:33:00 -
[44]
Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
I'd add that although you only get faction gain for missions through storyline missions, you can get faction gain through completing missions against an enemy faction (for example, killing Minmatar scum as part of an Amarr mission).
I think you mean faction loss by killing faction ships.
Otherwise your unmodified Amarr standing would be the exact opposite of your unmodified Minmatar standing.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.25 21:07:00 -
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First, we really should sticky this thread.
I have a couple of questions. First, does higher agent quality really boost standing increases? Second, how does (if it does) DED connections work with gangs? Eg, if I get a fifth of a kill, do I get a fifth of the skill bonus?
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
First, does higher agent quality really boost standing increases? Second, how does (if it does) DED connections work with gangs? Eg, if I get a fifth of a kill, do I get a fifth of the skill bonus?
Yes, agents with higher effective quality do give better standing gains for missions. Bear in mind that in order to get comparable results, you have to look at the numbers of the same mission, the same effect quality agent and the same sec status agent.
As for DED Connections in gangs, nobody knows for sure as the skill is not in game.
I would hazard the guess that the skill only applies to your share of the money, as otherwise it'd get rather complicated to sort out. IE: you and a gangmate kill a 1mil bounty rat - your friend gets 500K, you get 500K+skill bonus.
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Xaliendraa Khaine
Amarr
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.27 15:39:00 -
[47]
Hi!
great Thread, wish I had known about this months ago..
Big Question:
What skills here are V.Good, timewise to get to 5 (V).
I just did negotiation to V, and what a difference
Any others are worth it, timewise/effort wise.
thx !
Xali
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.07.27 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Xaliendraa Khaine
What skills here are V.Good, timewise to get to 5 (V).
Any others are worth it, timewise/effort wise.
Any of the specialist bonus LP skills are well worth the time to train up to 5.
Social is another one in my opinion that's worthwhile, plus it's only a rank 1.
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Drykor
Minmatar
Warriors of the Einherjar
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.07.27 22:50:00 -
[49]
Fast Talk doesn't work at all.
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Gekkoh
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.30 02:26:00 -
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Does agent quality affect Loyalty Points?
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Mr Krosis
The humble Crew
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 06:23:00 -
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Agent base quality influences LP reward.
The Negotiations skill (and agent effective quality in general) currently has no effect on LP or standing rewards. ISK rewards seems to naturally vary by more than the skill description would indicate so it's hard to say if you get better pay or not.
-- Mr Krosis
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge. |
Maudith
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Posted - 2007.09.18 02:41:00 -
[52]
Thank god for this post.
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Salpad
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Posted - 2007.09.29 04:19:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Marine HK4861
It all depends on your unmodified standing.
If it's negative, then Diplomacy applies.
If it's 0 or positive, then Connections applies.
Actually it seems to me that the Connections bonus only applies if your standing is positive, meaning greater than 0.0.
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bellator militaris
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Posted - 2007.10.06 10:31:00 -
[54]
Thank You. Clear, concise, and to the point. Bellator Militaris SPQR.
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Emporors Champian
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Posted - 2007.10.06 12:35:00 -
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the post above are are mostly true. story lines are the largest sorce of your standings you can see a diferance each story line mission but do level 4 missions and kill many bs you will see see ever so slightly change. they are al relitive to each other.
here are some things you should know. for you mission runners if you ever wanna be part of a corperation with a research lab POS you must take the fallowing information to heart.
another thing if you join a corp with an high sec POS you may find yourself looking for another corp if you dont want to heed this info.
ok now here it is.
the major key to haveing a POS in high sec is a faction standing of 5.0
all standings of any type are based off average...
you begin the game with a good standing and for every single agent you mission for you ruin it unless you have agent up to a minimum of 5.0 if you leave every agent in eve you do buisness with at 5.0 your in good shape!
if you want jump clones you need a corp standing of 8.0
so if you leave every agent in eve with an 8.0 not only are you going to meet your faction goals but you will make your future agent love you sarting at your faction level. this is why i say it is all relitive.
your faction standing is so powerfull if it was 8.0 you can talk to an agent for the first time and you will have 8.0 hehe. its insane.
ok for you players that have many agents with low standings...
you guessed it you must return to all agents you ever talk to and raise the standings.
if you refuse to go back to level 1 missions but you want a 5.0 faction standing you will need to compinsate.
if you have every level 1 agent at 1.0 you will need to get all your level 2 and level 3 agents to 7.5.
the 7.5 in level 2 agent and level 3 agents will raise the average above 5.0.
its much easier and faster to train all agents to 5.0
once your agents have a standing of 5.0 you will start to notice you need more missions to achieve the same standing boost as earlier.
(example) your first 20 missions give you 1.0 standing your second 30 missions gives you 2.0 your third 40 missions give you 3.0 and so on so you see to try to get to 8.0 takes many missions.
so you may want to go back to level 1 missions to get them up.
here are ways to achieve goals fastest. decide now! before you talk to any agent what quality you want to deal with find an agent and mission with him till you can have the agent quality you want.
i assume you want quality 20 agents so you get more isk and loyalty points to get faction junk.
start with your -19 agent and stay with this agent till 20 quality opens up! if you progress like use -18 agent then -17 agent then -16 you can do this but each agent will contribute to the average making your quest for 5.0 faction standing take eturnity. cut out the middle men and you have less agent contributing to your average making your quest ever so much faster. now that you have level 20 level 1 agent stay with that agent till you get quality 20 level 2 agent if you stick to this method you will reach insane faction standings faster than any other eve player.
(warning)if you fly as a gang you can recieve rewards but this is now an agent you must make love you...
so be carefull to choose wisely wether you want your gang member to grant gang equal share in rewards.
this is a darn good way to power level tho!!!
if you have level 1 agents but know a player doing level 2 missions then you be doing level 2 agents in no time. im not sure why this is but... if you know someone doing level 4 agents it wont speed things up any faster than the player helping you to get to level 2 agents hehe. and if you play your cards right you can try to keep the same agents for a long time to work on standings as well as power level.
if you forget your past agents they be in a few locations. like 1 place would be map you can search for agents there, another place is in your charictor sheet / standings / corps have in list, or people & places.
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Giant Haystacks
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.12 01:04:00 -
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The fast talk skill now works.
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.25 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Caiden Soul on 25/12/2007 00:06:10
Great thread, I been following the advise and in 3 days my standings have shot up and I can take lvl 2 missions at last. But I'm not as I want a +18 or > lvl 2 agent to follow EC's advise (+20 are like Gold dust or are in my area anyway).
Quick question to EC (great post) about the averages being above 5. What if an old agent won't talk to you? maybe because you refused missions or something. How do you fix them?
Also, what about training and storyline agents, do these count in the average score? as storyline agents usually won't deal with you if you approach them directly. Are these exempt from the average scores, i.e. can we ignore these and just concentrate on the agents with a rating of -20 to +20.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Lisento and Miscellaneous Elk
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Posted - 2007.12.25 19:53:00 -
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Someone contact the original poster (my computer is down for the count) and tell him to update this.
Also sticky this zombie of a thread!
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Put in space whales!
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Gordia
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Posted - 2008.01.04 09:52:00 -
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Question about the skills increasing your standing (connection, diplomacy, etc...):
What is your current standing with corps or factions that you cannot see in your character sheet (i.e. the one that you never had contact with, I assume)?
In other words, am pretty new in the game and I am wondering if learning connection now will do nothing to corp and factions I don't know yet, as I have no standing with them.
Or the default is 0.0 even if not specified, and once I get a contact with those unknown corps/faction, the standing will be boosted instantly to the buffed value ?
Thank you in advance.
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